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Secret Cables Leaked; Addicted to Love?
Aired November 29, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: WikiLeaks has released a lot of very sensitive classified information. For example, details about the rampant corruption in the Afghan government. And Saudi Arabia`s request for the United States to bomb Iran. Also Vladimir Putin building an alliance with Silvio Berlusconi. I tell you I just hope they didn`t leak the details that will most affect daily life here in America, like who Kim Kardashian is dating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW. It`s the White House versus WikiLeaks after the Web site releases hundreds of thousands of classified diplomatic cables. So has the move done permanent damage to U.S. foreign policy? And where is the line between transparency and security?
Then Dr. Drew dishes on the upcoming season of "Celebrity Rehab and what we can expect to see on his new HLN show.
Plus the Kardashians are here. Kim, Khloe and Kourtney tell Joy about being sisters in the spotlight. That and more right now.
The White House is furious today over diplomatic cables that were released this weekend from the whistle-blowing organization WikiLeaks. Hillary Clinton strongly condemned the leaks earlier today. Watch.
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HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: It puts people`s lives in danger, threatens our national security and undermines our efforts to work with other countries to solve shared problems.
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BEHAR: So do the leaks compromise our national security or are these secrets all citizens deserve to know? Here now to discuss the leaks and the fallout are Jeremy Scahill, national security editor of "The Nation" magazine and author of "Blackwater"; and Peter Beinart, senior political reporter for "The Daily Beast" and associate professor at the City University of New York.
Ok. Peter, what do you think? Is the national security compromised or is this just an embarrassment? What do you think?
PETER BEINART, SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER, "THE DAILY BEAST": Well, I think it is an embarrassment and I think it does make the functioning of national security harder. I wouldn`t have problems with some of these documents coming out but I think what a responsible journalist should have done was weeded out those that really tell us something new that we need to know for the public debate and the large number of them that are basically just embarrassing and make foreign policy harder to conduct. And that`s what I think WikiLeaks didn`t do.
BEHAR: Well, "The New York Times" basically did say we didn`t release everything, didn`t they?
JEREMY SCAHILL, NATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR OF "THE NATION" MAGAZINE: I mean look "The New York Times" says, you know, we got it from an undisclosed source. And then it turns out that that source is "The Guardian" newspaper. Now, I`m waiting for "The Guardian" newspaper in London to be classified as a terrorist organization for leaking the WikiLeaks cables to "The New York Times".
BEHAR: Well, "The Guardian" got it from WikiLeaks right?
SCAHILL: Right. I mean that`s the original source. But just to respond to something that Peter said here, I mean the fact of the matter is that there`s a real "shoot the messenger" thing going on here where everyone is making the issue Julian Assange.
The real issue here is what was revealed in these documents. The fact that the United States is regularly militarily attacking Yemen, a country that we`re not at war with, and then allowing the Yemenis to be blamed for it. That our diplomats are spying on other diplomats at the U.N. and elsewhere around the world.
You know, there is a lot in there about getting credit card information from diplomats. It`s very serious. It needs to be discussed.
And the Assange part of the story really is a distraction from the real issues that are brought out by these leaks.
BEINART: But we knew most of that stuff already. And anyone who was really paying any attention already knew for better or for worse that the U.S. was taking shots at people who we claimed were al Qaeda people in Yemen and that we spy on people at the U.N. Oh, my goodness. The point is we could already have had that public debate without some of the details that I think now actually make it harder to prosecute foreign policy.
I`m not against all -- I think there were some of these documents that really do advance some of the discussion, but I think the purpose of a journalist is to go through and say, look, these really help the public debate and these are basically just the equivalent of kind of foreign policy porn. We don`t need them out there.
BEHAR: Yes. It is kind of pornish, I do agree.
BEINART: That`s not the most exciting kind of porn.
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BEHAR: I mean but some of that -- what`s the most serious allegation -- revelation, do you think?
SCAHILL: I think that what`s going to have the sort of biggest blowback for the U.s. is this issue of diplomats that are spying on other diplomats.
BEHAR: On other diplomats.
SCAHILL: But everyone knows that. I`m sure Peter knows it too. Anyone who deals with anyone at the U.N. knows that that`s happening. So on the one hand, I understand and sympathize with some of what Peter is saying. On the other hand, the fact is that General David Petraeus who`s now the U.S. commander in Afghanistan sits down with the president of Yemen and they concoct a plan to essentially lie about who is doing the bombings? That`s some pretty serious stuff.
From the neo con perspective, they`re having a field day with this. They think it reinforces their position on Iran.
BEHAR: But just for a minute on Yemen. The Yemenis were bombing al Qaeda, right?
SCAHILL: Well, no, no. What was happening is that the U.S. is launching cruise missiles into Yemen. I`ve reported about this before. And we have teams of special operations forces on the ground there.
The scandal here is that the Yemeni president actually said to General David Petraeus, we`ll lie to public and say it`s our bombs when we know it is your bombs that are doing the killing.
BEHAR: And what would be the purpose of that?
SCAHILL: Well, the purpose is because the U.S. isn`t at war with Yemen and it`s essentially a covert war that`s ongoing on there. I think it`s very important that we have David Petraeus --
BEHAR: But doesn`t Yemen then become an object of terrorist attacks in retaliation?
SCAHILL: First of all, Yemen already has a terrorist operation going on inside their borders, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the sort of most famous, the new al Qaeda kids on the block.
BEHAR: All right. What about the less serious things like Putin and Berlusconi having a bromance? Why do we need to know that? I thought he liked hookers and teen aged girls anyway.
BEINART: That`s a crowd I really would not want to hang with. There`s stuff about Qadhafi`s buxom Ukrainian prostitute. I think this is, it seems to me, the kind of stuff that we really didn`t and I don`t actually want the people making American foreign policy to be spending most the next days and weeks trying to deal with the fallout of that. It seems to me, that`s actually a waste of time. There are better things to do.
BEHAR: Ok. Now, Peter King, congressman from New York, he says that WikiLeaks is a terrorist organization. What do you think?
SCAHILL: First of all, Representative Peter King knows a thing or two about terrorism because he was a major supporter of the Irish Republican Army during the 1980s and has his own questions to answer. The other thing is that some of the WikiLeaks documents reinforce that the Saudis continue to fund terrorism, that`s a top U.S. ally.
BEHAR: Yes.
SCAHILL: The U.S. deals with a lot of terrorist organization, maybe this is not a terrorist organization.
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BEINART: I mean look, it`s not a terrorist organization. I think that`s silly. But I think the question is to what degree do you want the U.S. to be able to continue to prosecute foreign policy? In Yemen, for instance, to go back --
BEHAR: Don`t go to Yemen.
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BEHAR: I want to ask you before I go, I don`t have too much time left. You were in favor of the Iraq war, correct?
BEINART: Yes.
BEHAR: Now, if you knew what we know now would you still be in it? Because if WikiLeaks would have been around in those days, we might not have invaded Iraq.
BEINART: No, in fact, I said repeatedly for many, many years now that I think I was dead wrong to support the war in Iraq, whether I knew what I knew now or knew then.
BEHAR: Do you think it would have helped?
BEINART: Obviously, in those cases, those documents would have been incredibly valuable. But knowing about Gadhafi`s prostitute is not. And that`s why I think journalists need to make those decisions about what are in the public interests and what aren`t?
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BEHAR: Well, I don`t know about that. Why can`t we make those decisions?
SCAHILL: They did have that responsibility and they printed lie after lie of the Bush/Cheney administration. I want Hillary Clinton to go after the torturers with as much passion as she goes after Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.
BEINART: But the reality is you can`t conduct foreign policy in complete transparency. As much as you might like to, you can`t.
SCAHILL: And we never do.
BEHAR: All right. I have to go. That was very interesting. Thank you very much. We`ll be back in just a minute.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on the JOY BEHAR SHOW; Kim, Chloe and Courtney Kardashian drop by to talk about their new triple- authored biography "Kardashian Confidential."
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Willie Nelson was arrested in Texas when six ounces of marijuana were discovered on his tour bus. When questioned by police, Willie just smiled and asked for some ring dips (ph) and potato chips. Willie has been arrested on drug charges before. So is he a partier or an addict?
With me is the newest member of the HLN family Dr. Drew Pinsky. He`s also the host of "Celebrity Rehab" on VH-1. And we welcome here to the family of HLN. And also here is "Celebrity Rehab" cast member Rachel Uchitel. Ok, guys.
Now, Willie was busted for pot.
DREW PINSKY, HOST, "CELEBRITY REHAB WITH DR. DREW": Yes.
BEHAR: Let me start here with him. Not for the first time. Is he -- is he -- is he an addict?
PINSKY: There`s no doubt in my mind that he is. But so what is sort of my feeling and marijuana is --
BEHAR: He`s 77.
PINSKY: -- that`s -- well, I think he`s 74. Or maybe he`s 77.
BEHAR: Oh whatever.
PINSKY: But whatever is the point. It`s like he has lived his life a certain way. He is probably undoubtedly addicted to cannabis, but he doesn`t want help, so fine.
BEHAR: What happened to medical marijuana? Maybe it`s medical marijuana he`s smoking.
PINSKY: Well, I -- yes. The -- the medical marijuana issue with him is he doesn`t have enough pot and wants to get high. But the -- the point, you know what I`m saying? But the point is that -- that -- that whole issue I live with in southern California and all of my patients, all of my drug addict -- marijuana addict patients have their marijuana prescription. And I`m not sure they even have to -- they don`t even have to slow down as they walk past the dispensary to get their prescription. I mean, it`s --
BEHAR: But do you consider them a very important addiction, marijuana?
PINSKY: It is -- you`ll see on this season of "Celebrity Rehab", in fact, Eric Roberts who`s severely addicted to cannabis. And it`s a very -- it`s much harder to stop than people realize --
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: And it`s often with other drugs, so people start to think of it as the soft drug. But look, alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis, they`re all potentially addictive --
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: -- they`re all a real serious problem. Whether they should be legal or not, I`m in no position --
BEHAR: And marijuana just increases your appetite, which is why I never liked it. Rachel, why do you want to do Dr. Drew`s show? Tell me.
RACHEL UCHITEL, CAST MEMBER, "CELEBRITY REHAB": Well, you know it was a very difficult decision for me to make. I didn`t want to do it. I didn`t consider myself a celebrity. I didn`t consider myself an addict. And to me, addiction involves something related to cocaine.
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BEHAR: Substance.
UCHITEL: Meth, yes, something like that. And I didn`t have anything like that. I know I needed help. I didn`t know what kind of help I needed. And I said "no" up until the last second when I had a conversation with Dr. Drew, and I looked at him and I just said, I need help, and if you can help me --
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BEHAR: Ok.
UCHITEL: -- I want the opportunity.
BEHAR: All right. But you diagnosed Rachel as a love addict.
PINSKY: She was.
BEHAR: Well, explain what that is.
PINSKY: Love addiction is a construct. People argue about whether it really exists or not. And I assume -- I`m the kind of person that doesn`t think we should be throwing around the term addiction casually. But love addiction has been very helpful as a construct. It`s basically people you often with an antecedent history of trauma that mistake intensity for intimacy.
So relationships become all about super intense, highly idealized experiences which make it impossible to see the red flags and to use your judgment in relationships.
BEHAR: So when the thing gets boring is when you want to switch partners?
PINSKY: Well and things get boring as soon as they`re not super intense. So that`s how a love addicts experience is.
BEHAR: But you know what, Drew, most people when they fall madly in love with each other --
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PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: -- and they`re running towards each other in slow motion.
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s like the heated section of the relationship.
PINSKY: That`s right.
BEHAR: Everybody likes that.
PINSKY: Absolutely. And -- and love addiction -- and Rachel made the comment about this -- is -- is really an exaggerated version of the basis of romantic love. It`s what -- something we all know, and so it`s very hard for people to go, how is that a problem? Well, I mean, Rachel you can talk about how.
UCHITEL: It`s a problem when it affects your decisions and when it affects your life and you get yourself in trouble because of it.
BEHAR: Well, I can see it because when things start to settle down and you`re supposed to become friends with the person and kind of have a family and a home and -- and a dog and two kids, that`s when you want out. Is that what happens?
PINSKY: That`s what -- well, they either keep the intensity and the chaos going or it starts to feel clingy and boring. And that`s the signal to get out --
BEHAR: But how much of it is co-dependency? What`s the difference?
PINSKY: Well, it`s -- there`s not all -- they are similar constructs, in fact. I mean, the same people that are writing about co-dependency end up writing about love addiction are very close, they really are. And then -- and there are people that make much more elaborate constructs out of this, psychoanalytic constructs about it.
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: And you know -- but the point is my feeling about this is -- there`s a book called "Facing Love Addiction" that I made Rachel read and made the others read too, but in fact I think everyone on this program ended up reading that.
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: That -- it -- it help`s -- it`s a helpful construct. At least some people get their head around it.
BEHAR: So basically it`s this intensity that you want and when it`s not intense, you don`t want it any more.
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PINSKY: It`s -- it`s that, but -- but --
BEHAR: That`s what happens --
PINSKY: -- but the dangerous part though, is when it`s intense and you`re keeping it intense. Because then you`re judgment is impaired, that`s when the addiction is so active.
BEHAR: How do you keep it intense if this -- if the hotness is gone, it`s gone?
UCHITEL: Well, you know what --
BEHAR: Tell us because I`d like to try it.
PINSKY: One of the -- one of the ways is that you keep going after people that are bigger than life and not available.
BEHAR: Oh going -- is that what you did?
UCHITEL: Well, I don`t want to discuss any specific relationships.
BEHAR: Ok.
UCHITEL: But you know, I -- I came to understand why I made some decisions that I did. And I always looked for intensity; I look for a knight in shining armor. And the -- the issue for me was actually stopping and saying, why am I doing this? What happened to me that I continually do this, you know?
Nine years ago I was, you know, on the cover of every newspaper branded as the victim after I lost my fiance on September 11th. And now I`m on the cover of every newspaper being branded as the villain. And what happened to me in between that I became this person?
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BEHAR: What do you think happened?
UCHITEL: At least in the eyes of everybody else?
BEHAR: What do you think happened?
UCHITEL: Well, I went through -- and -- and again, I really learned this by doing "Celebrity Rehab". Ok, because before this I did not think about this in such, you know, specific terms. But I realized that because of some trauma and in -- in -- in my recovery and understanding this trauma that I went through, I -- to simplify it was trying to fill in a hole in -- in my world --
BEHAR: I see.
UCHITEL: -- and fill it with whatever addiction worked for me. I wasn`t a cocaine addict. I wasn`t a substance addict. I was a love addict. I was attracted to intensity to verify that somebody would love me, somebody wouldn`t leave me. That you know and it was difficult for me. I lost --
BEHAR: So the trauma that you`re talking about was 9/11.
PINSKY: That was the last one. There were a series before that.
BEHAR: Oh before that.
PINSKY: Oh yes.
UCHITEL: Yes I lost --
PINSKY: You`ll -- you`ll learn about it on the show. There`re very heavy -- heavy things.
BEHAR: Ok now, you know let`s talk about -- well, Tiger Woods and Charlie Sheen are considered love addict or sex addicts?
PINSKY: Oh sex addicts.
BEHAR: And what`s the difference between a sex addict and a love addict?
PINSKY: They can -- they can go back and forth in love addiction and sex addiction. It`s a very common thing. But sex addicts --
BEHAR: It is more like men are sex addicts and women are love addicts?
PINSKY: Well, I -- I -- I don`t want to over-generalize, but yes sort of a general truth I would say. And when you go to love addicts -- there are -- there are 12 steps and this are LAA, Love Addicts Anonymous.
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: You go there, it`s mostly women, you go to the SAA, it`s mostly men.
BEHAR: Remember back in the 70`s or 80`s, there were a lot of books women who love too much --
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: -- women who love men, who hate women.
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: Remember that?
PINSKY: Yes, yes. Same kind of stuff -- same kind of stuff but -- but not that clearly focused understanding that we have this time.
BEHAR: I mean, let`s talk about Mel Gibson and Oksana for a second.
PINSKY: Ok.
BEHAR: E-mails have surfaced where she reportedly says, despite all the pain I endured, I still love you. Now, we have heard the tapes.
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: He is extremely abusive --
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: -- and mean and nasty to her and she writes this, I still love you.
PINSKY: Well, but --
BEHAR: Is that a love addict?
PINSKY: It could be -- I mean, it -- it there are some of the earmarks of what she`s up to where she`s creating this tremendous chaos and does horrible things and then is sort of surprised that somebody would not be willing to continue to be in a relationship with her.
BEHAR: Yes.
PINSKY: That -- that`s not love addiction. But that need for intensity and intensity being sort of confused as love, that`s sort of a symptom of love addiction. So there`s a feature there that that suggests that.
BEHAR: What`s the difference between Oksana and what she says here even with all the pain I endured, I still love you and the -- and the -- and a domestic abuse victim?
PINSKY: Very similar.
BEHAR: They`re similar.
PINSKY: There are -- there`s a lot of crossover --
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BEHAR: That`s not the same as Rachel.
PINSKY: It`s not the same as Rachel.
BEHAR: No.
PINSKY: But -- but those domestic violence victims sometimes have these -- they have some more Oksana characteristics, sometimes a lot of love addictions.
BEHAR: So when a guy, when you were in a relationship with a guy who you were in this intense, intense, intense, and then he sort of got sick of you or whatever, as people do, get sick of each other.
PINSKY: Or they get normal.
BEHAR: Or they get normal, whatever.
PINSKY: They try to get close.
UCHITEL: That -- that`s actually the -- the real word --
PINSKY: Yes.
UCHITEL: -- normal. I`m not used to anything being normal. I haven`t been for ten years since I lost my fiance.
PINSKY: And -- and let me say, Rachel is still in treatment and she`s working on how to establish those kinds of relationships. She`s worked very hard since that rehab.
BEHAR: Is it better? Since you hooked up with Dr. Drew here?
UCHITEL: Absolutely, absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes.
UCHITEL: Yes, I`m a different person since I went into rehab.
BEHAR: So are you attracted to different kinds of men now?
PINSKY: That`s an interesting question.
UCHITEL: That is an interesting question.
PINSKY: Yes.
UCHITEL: I am trying to be, yes. But absolutely I look at things much differently. I look -- it`s given me the opportunity to look within as opposed to before I went into rehab, I looked outside of myself for every answer and for everything. Now I`m really able to look inside. I`m much more self-aware, I`m much more aware of what goes on around me.
And he constantly reminds me to assess the people that are in my life and assess what`s going on and really make a decision based on things that are smart and right and healthy for me. And if it`s not intense and if it`s not craziness maybe that`s the right thing.
BEHAR: Ok.
PINSKY: Right.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re going to have more with you two in just a minute, so don`t go away.
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UCHITEL: My fiance was killed in the World Trade Center.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, dear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you make sense of that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was on the phone with him when the plane hit.
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BEHAR: That`s a sneak peek of Rachel Uchitel`s appearance on Dr. Drew`s "Celebrity Rehab" debuting December 1st. And they`re both with me now.
But you also, your other show is premiering on HLN.
PINSKY:: In the springtime. We haven`t got a --
BEHAR: In the spring.
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you know what you`re going to do on that show?
PINSKY: I want to be like you.
BEHAR: You`ll have to dye your hair red.
PINSKY: Not exactly, but in the fashion of Joy Behar.
BEHAR: Which is what?
PINSKY: Well, I`d like to have interesting guest, I like the multimedia platforms and I like just going down interesting paths and exploring the human experience. A little different than what you guys do but --
BEHAR: Well, you`re a different personality.
PINSKY: Different personality.
BEHAR: Yes. Ok.
PINSKY: I cannot wait. It`s something -- people always ask me what do I like doing? And there`s all these different things I do and the thing I like doing best is sitting in that chair, sitting in for Larry, I love doing that.
BEHAR: It`s fun. It is fun.
Ok. Now, Brooke Mueller, Charlie Sheen`s soon-to-be ex, the one that claims that he allegedly put a knife to her throat, she checked into a sober house over the holiday.
PINSKY: Oh, good, oh, excellent.
BEHAR: So, that`s good, right?
PINSKY: Whenever people take care of themselves, that`s good. They`re not responsible for their disease. They`re responsible for their recovery.
And when we first heard about Charlie and Brooke in trouble was six or eight months ago when they were drinking. And for a guy like Charlie who has severe addiction longstanding, that moment that that surfaced was a life threatening warning. He`s in big trouble if he doesn`t get back in treatment big time.
BEHAR: Well, don`t you think that they`re definitely becoming enablers over at CBS? They keep giving him back his show?
PINSKY: I don`t think they have any power. I mean he`s an independent contractor. What can they do? You know how people make those contracts. He`s in the driver`s seat, I bet you. I bet you.
BEHAR: He is because he brings in the money.
PINSKY: They have ancillary gains. But I bet they can`t insist he gets treatment. I bet you.
BEHAR: No, they can`t. But they don`t fire him either. They could get rid of him if they wanted to.
PINSKY: Could they?
BEHAR: Yes. But he`s a money machine. They`re not going to do that.
PINSKY: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s what this is all about.
PINSKY: Well, I blame the people around these folks even more, that insulate them from the consequences of their position. And they`re really -- those are the ones that should be going, sorry, you over here, we`ve got to take him out for a year and get treatment, whatever.
BEHAR: Ok. Now, Lindsay Lohan was out of rehab for Thanksgiving. Has she reached bottom yet?
PINSKY: Well, if these legal consequences are any indication, she may have. She`s been in an extended course of treatment. She is earning passes. Everyone gets all upset that she`s out on pass. That`s a very positive sign. She`s in an excellent program. They`re letting her out because she`s earned that. So I`m hopeful.
BEHAR: You don`t need to go into -- besides Dr. Drew, you wouldn`t need to go into a treatment center like a Lindsay would?
PINSKY: No. Not at this point. It is good for her though to be immersed in it. And what ends up happening with people with love and sex addiction, oftentimes they would start to look at some other -- use of other substances and it looks like of an issue later to them than when they`re initially involved and then to see all the manifestations is very helpful to them.
BEHAR: It seems as though al addicts have enablers, am I right?
PINSKY: Sure. That`s how they get their thing.
BEHAR: Who is yours?
UCHITEL: Well, at the time I some had friends in my life who were enablers. I really cleaned house after this whole thing happened.
BEHAR: But how do you enable a love addict such as you`re describing yourself? How do you enable them?
UCHITEL: Well, you have friends that allow you to make poor decisions or support you and that`s where --
BEHAR: They don`t tell you the truth.
UCHITEL: Not only that, I just want to also add I was involved in taking prescription pills as a coping mechanism for the things that I was going through. I had a lot of enablers for that.
PINSKY: And it`s supporting a world view, that`s the way the world is you should be doing as opposed to confronting it.
BEHAR: Right. I see. Ok.
Thanks very much. And good luck with your new show.
"Celebrity Rehab" which is another show altogether, season 4 premieres on Wednesday at 10:00 p.m. on VH1.
We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Watching Kourtney, Khloe and Kim Kardashian in action is a lot of fun. I haven`t had such a good time with sisters since I spent a long weekend with a couple of Carmelite nuns. Here`s a clip from their hit show "Keeping Up with the Kardashians." Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is going to miss Khloe?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re such a bore, you married whore. You`re such a bore, you married whore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are you guys being mean?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because you`re going to be so jealous when we`re in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I`m really not going to miss this when you guys are in New York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stay home with your husband, and we`ll be in Nueva York.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to New York.
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BEHAR: Joining me now are the three Ks, Kim, Khloe and Kourtney Kardashian who are the authors, by the way, of a new book "Kardashian Konfidential." Welcome, ladies. OK. You know, you just turned 30, and I was just thinking, when I turned 30, which was only ten years ago -- shut up!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I thought I was old. Do you feel old at 30? I mean, it`s not. It`s very young, and I know that now. But at the time it was like oh, my God.
KIM KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": I feel old when my mom reminds me that at, you know, my age, she had four kids already.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN, AUTHOR, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": But that was such a different time.
BEHAR: Right.
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I turned 30 eighteen months ago or whatever, but I felt like so good when I turned 30.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what, it`s very empowering. I was really nervous going into it. I was kind of freaked out, and then after --
KHLOE KARDASHIAN, "KARDASHIAN CONFIDENTIAL": Going into it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: What are you even talking about?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: A tunnel, like going into it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Going into it.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And then all of a sudden, I don`t know, something changed. And I was like, oh, my God, I`m 30. This is amazing. I feel good. I feel accomplished. I feel, you know, successful.
BEHAR: Well, you`re on the low side of 40 now. So enjoy it.
(LAUGHTER)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: That`s depressing.
BEHAR: Let me start with you because you posted on Twitter that you fell off the wagon, OK? What does that mean? What wagon?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I tweeted that I had been in Europe for three weeks and then New York for six weeks, and I hadn`t worked out once.
BEHAR: Stop it!
KIM KARDASHIAN: And that`s so not like me because I love to work out, and I just really felt not like myself. So, I had to get home where I worked out every single day.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And my mom told her she gained 12 pounds.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Did you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I gained about ten.
BEHAR: Did that freak you out?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, now that I`m 30 and everyone`s telling me that your metabolism isn`t the same.
BEHAR: Well, 35 to 40, it starts to go berserk.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK. Oh, so, I still have some time.
BEHAR: Yes.
KIM KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: But why did you feel the need to tweet that, though?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Because I needed motivation from my Twitter followers to give me motivation to get up and get into the gym. Sometimes, it`s hard. You get so comfortable, and you just need that motivation, that push. And so, everyone was writing me, you know, really great, positive things. And so, I was like, OK, guys, I`m going to go to the gym. I`m going to get it together, and I feel better already.
BEHAR: OK. Now, you girls are Lebanese?
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Armenian.
BEHAR: Armenian. Whatever.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing.
BEHAR: Just kidding. They`re similar in many ways.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean, the food, Mediterranean, Italian, it`s Greek, it`s Lebanese, it`s Armenian, it`s ethnic. And you seem to be very comfortable with how beautiful you are. You are very good looking women, I think.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Thank you.
BEHAR: And full figured a little bit. You got the boobs going on and, you know, and the booty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I paid for these babies.
BEHAR: I know you did, which I will discuss that in a second with you.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Actually, my mom did.
BEHAR: You know, but we live in a -- we live in a country that values emaciated girls and blonds with tiny little noses.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: And sort of low -- maybe big boobs some of them, but small.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Right.
BEHAR: So, I think it`s great that you have basically gone beyond that look to become the new look. Are you happy about that?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, we were just somewhere and someone came up to us and said, you know, all the guys now ask me if I`m Armenian like the Kardashian sisters because she has dark hair and she`s curvy and, you know, tanned skin. And she was like, so I just want to say thank you, guys, so much. Guys didn`t really look at me before.
BEHAR: Isn`t that nice?
KIM KARDASHIAN: It`s really cool.
BEHAR: How do you survive in California where it`s a felony to be fat? You go to jail for that there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You really can.
BEHAR: I mean, how did you survive it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have been through -- like people even now -- my weight always goes up and down, but I feel like that`s normal and that`s just my body type. I always struggle with it.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: But people always, even now, they come down on me for my weight. I don`t think I am that big. I feel like I might be a normal size, but does my weight fluctuate, yes, but I get so much ridicule. They call me fat, I`m 400 pounds, and this and that, people are just mean.
BEHAR: They are mean.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I definitely have to stay. I don`t go on the blog --
BEHAR: But they love you, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. They would never say it to my face but definitely on Twitter or blogs or anything like that. They call me every name in the book.
BEHAR: But who cares what they say behind your back. It`s only what they say to your face that counts.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. And they`re all afraid of me.
BEHAR: They are?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: Why? You`re tough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I`m a tough little broad, and I`m going to knock them out.
(LAUGHTER)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I`m going to knock them out with that ring.
BEHAR: You married to Lamar Odom who plays for the L.A. Lakers, right? And there`s so much cheating that goes on in the sports world, how do you handle that?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, Lamar and I -- I mean, Lamar gets very offended when people ask him this question because he doesn`t believe in that kind of --
BEHAR: Well, he`s not here. I`m asking you.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Right. No, I mean, I get it. But, you know, also, I could say that in every world, you know, like if you`re a stockbroker, you could be sleeping with your secretary.
BEHAR: Yes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I do think that it`s more elevated because you know these people by name or face. And that`s why you know about it. And people say because they travel and their schedules, Lamar and I don`t spend five days without seeing each other. That`s just a rule that him and I have.
BEHAR: That`s good.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And we like that rule.
BEHAR: But what about the fact that these sports guys who are out there having girls that are throwing themselves at them? Doesn`t that, you know, enter into the little nervous about letting them out there?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: For me, like, I never would have married Lamar even that was fast if I didn`t trust him 100 percent. I couldn`t do that to myself emotionally. And I feel like if you start believing, is he cheating, is he cheating? Questioning. One, that`s not the way I want to live my life, I`m 26 (ph). That means that for the next 50 years, I`m going to be thinking that. I`m not going to do that to myself. And two, if you start believing it, you`re going to manifest it and I feel like make it happen one day. I`m a very positive person.
BEHAR: But what do you think about like Eva Longoria? She didn`t seem to have a clue that Tony Parker was cheating on her with a lot of women it turns out, I think, allegedly. What do you think about that, that she didn`t really get it?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, I don`t know.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, you never know when you`re in that situation or any situation. I don`t think anyone can really comment on like other people`s relationships, but I know that I wouldn`t be in one and Khloe wouldn`t be married, you know, unless, you did feel that way.
BEHAR: You like athletes also, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Sometimes.
BEHAR: A lot of them.
KIM KARDASHIAN: A lot of them?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You don`t tend to like them?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t think I`ve ever liked an athlete.
BEHAR: Yes, but has Brett Favre ever faxed a picture of his penis to you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, he has.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Really?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. I have it in my phone.
BEHAR: She`s kidding.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It was actually just his balls, Kourtney.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: What makes a man like Brett Favre think that that is a turn-on for a woman to get that picture, may I ask?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: What idiot does something like that? Like, why do you do that like you`re going to get caught? Doy.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: All right. So, you girls are not worried about that. You`re not worried about groupies coming on to your men?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Honey, they should be worried about groupies coming on to me.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You go, girl. I like that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: The male groupies.
BEHAR: Now, you said, Kim, in an interview, that you thought you`d be married by now?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes, you know, if you would ask me, I`m sure there`s a ton of interviews from, you know, even five years ago where you would be at 30.
BEHAR: But you were married at 19, right?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was married, yes. So, I already got one, you know, in the can.
BEHAR: One down, how many to go?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Twenty more to go.
KIM KARDASHIAN: One more to go. You live and you learn. But I think that I also wouldn`t have thought that I would, you know, have a fragrance and a book and so many other amazing things.
BEHAR: You have a very successful show. You girls are very good business people. See, you`re making a lot of money. How much is the Kardashian brand worth would you say now?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A true woman never tells.
BEHAR: A true woman asks the question.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And you are a true woman. It`s (INAUDIBLE) my friend.
BEHAR: Does it bother you when people say you`re famous for being famous?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I don`t even know what that means, and I literally have heard it, I think, 25 times today. No, but I`m like, that`s like what people say when they think of us as like famous for being famous.
BEHAR: I know that you`ve heard the question, but --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes, yes, yes.
BEHAR: Does it bug you? It would bug me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: It doesn`t bother me. I don`t really understand --
KIM KARDASHIAN: It really doesn`t bother me.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes, it doesn`t bother me. I think that we`ve like proven ourselves, and we`ve had our stores before the TV show. We worked so hard. But I mean, people are always going to -- like you said, they`re going to think what they want and believe what they want. I don`t care why you think I`m famous. You`re still buying my products.
BEHAR: Do you worry that, you know, when Andy Warhol said that everybody in America is going to have 15 minutes of fame, eventually. Do you worry that your 15 minutes could be over at some point?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I really don`t think that we, you know, mind it, to be honest. I think that we are having so much fun. When it stops being fun, when the show is just not fun, we`ll stop the show. But I think if we were to just snap back and it would all go away today, --
BEHAR: Yes, what would you do?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Well, we have our clothing stores and we have businesses that we started way before.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: OK. We`ll have much more with the lovely Kardashian girls on the way. Stick around.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I have a little anxiety.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Calm down.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You look gorgeous. Your dress is stunning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s do it.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Let`s do it. I`m getting married!
(CHEERING)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: We`re standing in the guest house and I see my sisters and everyone walking out one by one. I`m like losing each one. We`re getting a little bit closer, a little bit closer. I`m just getting more and more anxious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: OK. That was a clip from "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" when Khloe got married, and the sisters are back with me. What were you going to say about her how many times she`s going to get married?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said, well, Kourtney and I and my mom -- because I was saying my mom and I -- my mom`s like I just want Kim to have a boyfriend. And I was like, honestly, I think Kim is like --
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, what is this?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: She`s just crazy.
(CROSSTALK)
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I said that I think Kim is like Elizabeth Taylor. I think she`s going to be married like eight glamorous times, but -- I think like just dripping in diamonds and --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Emeralds.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Just like every 20-carat engagement ring I say is going to be on her --
KIM KARDASHIAN: No. I`ll have (ph) one more.
BEHAR: Do you have any aspirations to be an actress?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I do.
BEHAR: I can se you playing Cleopatra.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But you have to act.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I used to be on "One Life to Live."
BEHAR: Good for you.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You have? Very good. So, what about you? You want to be an actress or no? She just has to make the money, this one.
KIM KARDASHIAN: She wants to be a housewife.
BEHAR: Now, you know, in this book, which is quite attractive, by the way, I must tell you --
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
BEHAR: You write a lot about your father, Robert Kardashian, who died in 2003, and your parents divorced when you were all very young, right? So, that must have been hard for you. I mean, how old were you, 4 years old?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was like 4 or 5.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 11.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I was 10. And, you know, in the book, we kind of give advice on how to really deal with situations like that and all three of us dealt with it so differently. Khloe was, you know, kind of oblivious to it. I was OK with it. And Kourtney had a really, really hard time with it.
BEHAR: You had a hard time. How old were you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Eleven.
BEHAR: My daughter was 11. It`s the tough time to go through divorce.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And I think, for me, just adapting to Bruce because he and my mom met --
BEHAR: Bruce Jenner who is now your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes. They got married six months after my parents got a divorce.
BEHAR: Oh.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And Bruce couldn`t be a nicer guy, but I hated him. I was so mean to him.
BEHAR: What did you do to him?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Everything.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Scratch him.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Kourtney would only wear black like she was -- he has literally scars on his hand from Kourtney would like dig her nails into him.
BEHAR: What do you mean she would only wear black? What do you mean?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: One day, I decided to wear black around the house. And they think -- they say that I did it for months. It was one day, because I was being dramatic.
BEHAR: It felt like months.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was 4.
KIM KARDASHIAN (ph): Why are you guys listening to me?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And they say that I was like dramatic. I decided to be like annoying --
(CROSSTALK)
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: And wear black.
BEHAR: So, you were acting out against your stepfather?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 4 years old and probably --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: She loved Bruce right away.
BEHAR: Did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I mean, he was just different from my dad. My dad was really fun and always silly, but Bruce was just like an athletic different guy who wore like Reebok pumps. My dad was like a businessman. I don`t know. It was just like a totally two --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Those shoes.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: And I used to sit on his feet.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: And how about you?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I mean, I loved my new stepbrothers and sisters. I thought it was like so cool having brothers for the first time.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: You have a brother.
KIM KARDASHIAN: I know. But he was so much younger.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: He was 2.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Very weird.
BEHAR: She prefers her stepbrothers to her natural brother.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Having brothers for the first time.
KIM KARDASHIAN: You know what I mean. They were like old enough.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I wonder if Robert will know what you mean when he hears this.
BEHAR: OK. Also in the book, you write about your dad being friends with O.J. Simpson which was an interesting part of the book. You used to call O.J. Uncle O.J.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Yes.
BEHAR: Tell me about that time in your family. What was that like? Because I know that he -- did he -- the bronco chase started at your house, correct?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Started at my dad`s house, but that was probably the worst time in all of our lives because my mom was best friends with Nicole and she thought wholeheartedly that O.J. was guilty. And then my dad was best friends with O.J. So, our family was really divided during this time, and it was really hard on us as kids because we were never told to pick sides, but we felt like we kind of had to.
BEHAR: So, did you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was younger but --
KIM KARDASHIAN: Kourtney and I chose to pick my dad`s side because he felt like he was by himself. And my mom had remarried and she had this like support system, and my dad was kind of all by himself. So, we always like respected him as, you know, a father and a businessman. So, we just thought our dad was always right.
BEHAR: So, you thought O.J. was not guilty.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Exactly.
BEHAR: Because your father you thought believed that.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We just believed in what my father believed in, and we kind of wanted to be there for him.
BEHAR: And you did not?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I was so much younger, but I was really, really good friends with Sydney, their daughter. So, I would always go and see her at her grandparents to, you know, keep her company. I don`t know. I don`t really think I had an opinion. I respected my dad`s voice --
KIM KARDASHIAN: They kept it away from the younger kids, too.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They weren`t allowed to watch TV. Nothing like that.
BEHAR: I think that that was probably a difficult time for you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Absolutely.
BEHAR: That had to be hard, because -- what do you think now? In retrospect? Is he guilty or not?
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t really have an opinion. I don`t really care to ever think about it.
BEHAR: What (INAUDIBLE) Kim, come on.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Just the same way. I think it`s so close and emotional.
BEHAR: You can`t make a decision.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We can`t really go there.
BEHAR: And you, same thing?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Same thing. I just feel like, you know, we don`t know what happened, but the fact that he`s back in jail, I think that`s a sign of karma like why would -- I don`t know. I just feel like signs and - - I don`t know. I don`t know if he did it or not, but the fact that he`s back in jail just raises some awareness in my head.
BEHAR: Interesting that you just don`t want to go there, the three of you.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Everyone asks me all the time.
BEHAR: I will just psychoanalyze you for a second. I think you`re just feeling you want to be loyal to your father right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Probably.
BEHAR: That`s how it looks to me right now.
KIM KARDASHIAN: And I`m friends with his children and I speak to his children, so I never want to, you know disrespect them.
BEHAR: You say what you want to say, but that`s where I think you`re at. It`s like, you know, daddy`s not here any more, leave it alone. OK. Now, Khloe, let`s talk about your virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, my God. I thought you were going to say vagina.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Listen, you know, on this show, we can go there.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: I know. That`s why I thought you`re going to say it.
BEHAR: Virginity, losing is it more important than a vagina at the moment.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: OK.
BEHAR: You were 14 -- I heard this this morning.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: You were 14 and you lost it to an older guy. We only have 30 seconds?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: This is too much for 30 seconds.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: When we come back, we`re going to find out all about Khloe`s virginity.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Or vagina.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the delightful Kardashian sisters. So come on, Khloe.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Spill it.
BEHAR: Spill it, girl.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Well, yes, I felt the need to put that in there because I have little sisters. And my situation was not a good situation. I was 14 years old, and I was dating an 18-year-old boy, which now I look back and I think that`s disgusting, but then, I thought it was really cool and dating an older guy and I just felt cool. Basically, I got pressured into having sex. I wasn`t ready. I barely knew my own body.
BEHAR: Who pressured you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: The guy. He did. And I felt like if I didn`t, I would not be cool or this guy wouldn`t want to talk to me any more. And I feel like so many girls do things either sexually or even with cliques, if they`re just girls, you know, just hanging out, they do think like they`re doing drugs or just because they feel pressured. After I did that and my parents forbid me to see this guy, I snuck around for two months hanging out with him, and then --
BEHAR: They found out?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: They found out. And they were like -- it was the worst thing that happened in my life at that moment.
BEHAR: What did they say to him? Did anybody, you know, did they confront the guy?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Oh, yes. My dad said he`s calling the police and all this kind of stuff. My dad was ballistic about it.
BEHAR: Statutory rape.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Yes. I know my dad went crazy on them. And then, you know, after two months, I really felt really awful about myself. And I stopped talking to the guy again. And I didn`t have sex for the next three years just because I didn`t feel comfortable with my own body. I didn`t like I knew myself and then being out of that environment, I knew I did the wrong thing, and I was kind of forced to have sex.
BEHAR: Well, you know, it`s a common story, I think. Young girls are having sex much earlier than they ever did. I mean, I was 21 when I lost my virginity. OK. There you have it.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: That was ridiculous. That`s a little old for even those days. I mean, I think Betsy Ross got laid sooner than I did. Anyway, --
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: How about you? When did you lose your virginity? Let`s just have a girl thing here now. Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I don`t know. I think it`s like super personal.
BEHAR: All right. Then don`t tell me. What about you?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: I was 16.
BEHAR: You were 16?
KIM KARDASHIAN: That`s pretty normal.
BEHAR: You were between the two?
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Don`t lie. You were 10.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So you were 15. She was 14, she was 16, you were 15. All right. You girls are quite advanced.
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes. You know how we do it.
BEHAR: You know what, it`s al L.A. L.A., that`s what it`s all about.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Is it?
BEHAR: No, I`m just kidding.
(CROSSTALK)
KIM KARDASHIAN: I had a boyfriend for five years.
BEHAR: You had a boyfriend for five years?
KIM KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: But I mean, if you have daughters, you have a little boy, right?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: Boys are so much easier. They can (EXPLETIVE DELETED) whoever they want and you don`t care.
BEHAR: Not necessarily true.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: First of all, they get a girl pregnant, you know it`s not --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Imagine the stuff we warned Rob about, you know? So it`s not that easy.
KIM KARDASHIAN: As long as you make them use a condom then you don`t really care about guys --
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Well, you can`t sit in the room and make them do anything.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: You can`t? Who knew?
BEHAR: I don`t have to much time, 30 seconds. But the press is always comparing the three of you. This one`s got this. This one`s got this. Doesn`t that annoy you?
KHLOE KARDASHIAN: A 100% it annoys us, but, I mean, at the same time we are not insecure with who we are as women. And we love each other so much. I`m so happy for everything she is going on and she is going on. It doesn`t bother me.
KIM KARDASHIAN: We`re all like in such different places on our lives and phases that, you know, we`re happy for each other.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Kim and Khloe know that I`m the smartest so --
BEHAR: So, there you have it.
KOURTNEY KARDASHIAN: Yes.
BEHAR: All righty. Their new book is "Kardashian Konfidential." Pick it up. It`s very cute. Good night, everybody. Thank you, girls. Lovely to see you.
KARDASHIAN SISTERS: Thank you.
END
