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Nancy Grace
Police Search Landfill for Missing Hailey Dunn
Aired January 20, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Texas. A 13-year-old cheerleader, broad daylight, leaves home by foot to head down the street to a little friend`s house. She`s never seen again. Bloodhounds scan the neighborhood and a local motel. Police comb that surveillance video. No sign of Hailey. In police interviews, the boyfriend says, quote, what a "good girl" Hailey is, but then does a 180, claiming the 13-year-old little girl is promiscuous.
A horrific scenario emerges. Hailey`s grandmother fears Mommy`s live- in molests 13-year-old Hailey, then murders her when she threatens to tell. Eerie slasher videos surface, mommy`s live-in wearing a black hood, black S&M mask, black ninja outfit, acting out slice-and-dice scenarios, chainsaws, machetes, knives, aprons for catching blood, straight out of a horror movie. Oh, and apparently smoking pot. We have the video.
And live-in boyfriend Shawn Adkins speaks out, claiming he prays for Hailey`s return. But still, to this hour, no one confirms he`s at church on his knees this past Sunday. Cops seize Hailey`s bed sheets, performing forensic tests to determine if a molestation or murder occurred there. Did the live-in have access to sulfuric acid? And could it destroy a child`s body? And now, to top it all off, boyfriend Shawn Adkins goes on line, posting photos of himself with Hailey, talking about how much he loves her.
Multiple 911 calls, death threats by live-in Shawn Adkins, threatening to kill Hailey`s mother. We have the 911 calls. Police confirm Adkins admits to threatening to kill little Hailey, too.
Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, investigators, police teams, cadaver dogs, at two local landfills. Right now, police confirm the dogs hit. They say the hit is related to Hailey but won`t say it`s a body. What is it? And tonight, another 911 call, this time from boyfriend Shawn Adkins. We have the 911 call. Tonight, where is 13-year-old cheerleader Hailey Dunn?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn continues near a landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re out there today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is in rural Texas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have come back to revisit this local landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This isn`t the first search at the landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We continue to search. We`ll be searching landfills.
BILLIE DUNN, MOTHER: Jean Burris (ph), a neighbor of ours, saw her Monday between 10:30 and 12:00.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She says she saw Hailey walking with a 6 or 7- year-old boy she didn`t recognize.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s why I was looking at her so strong as she`s going down the alley, trying to figure out if I knew that kid. But I didn`t know him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If the sighting is confirmed, it would debunk any theory that Shawn Adkins took her the morning of December 27.
BILLIE DUNN: And he`s telling me that he`s going to kill me.
He was threatening to kill me and Clint.
SHAWN ADKINS, MOTHER`S EX-BOYFRIEND: I got a situation on my hands. I have an ex-girlfriend, and she`s taken a whole bunch of Klonopin. It`s like an anxiety pill that I take. And I guess she got them from me. She says she, like, took a bunch of her pain pills, her. And she`s saying that she wants to die. She don`t care about (INAUDIBLE)
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GRACE: And tonight, live in California. A 4-year-old little boy literally ripped from the arms of his grandmother, snatched in broad daylight. He had tried to get the little boy before from home, from school. Grainy surveillance video emerges of the suspect just moments before the kidnapping. Tonight, where is 4-year-old Juliani?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) everyone, bring my grandson back!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A desperate plea from the grandmother of 4-year- old Juliani Cardenas. Investigators say 27-year-old Jose Rodriguez (ph) snatched the child from the grandmother at her home in broad daylight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) because he needs to be with his mom. He needs me. He misses me. He loves me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The suspect, 27-year-old Jose Rodriguez. He barged his way into the home, assaulted the grandmother, pushed her to the ground and took off with this little boy. The grandmother listened to this little boy crying as the suspect drove away, kidnapping him in broad daylight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want him here. I don`t (ph) want to know what happened, I just want him back!
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, investigators, police teams and cadaver dogs at two local landfills, searching now. Police confirming the cadaver dogs make a hit. But is that hit related to Hailey? They say yes, it is, but not a body. What is it?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re here in front of the landfill in Colorado City. This is the landfill behind me. Police are back here investigating, searching, using K9 units, cadaver dogs, searching for the last couple of hours, searching for any evidence related to Hailey Dunn.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just shows the search is relentless.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still searching. We`re still looking. We don`t want to take down billboards or discontinue putting out flyers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are trying to find Hailey Dunn.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) line up to this (INAUDIBLE) right here, OK, a straight-line grid.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looking for any type of evidence that may give us an idea of where Hailey is.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) back home (ph). We need to find her.
BILLIE DUNN: I`m glad they`re looking. But of course, each day, I hope that they don`t find anything out there in the dark.
ADKINS: (INAUDIBLE) today, and one of the officers had to get involved in it. And she called a report on me, you know, for threats and stuff like that (INAUDIBLE) her, her brother and myself. And now, she -- I don`t know. She`s just upset about it and she`s just, you know, not being herself right now. I`m just really worried about it.
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GRACE: Straight out to Tiffany Tatro (ph) with KTAB, joining us tonight from Colorado City. Tiffany, what can you tell us?
TIFFANY TATRO, KTAB CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, we do know they did have searchers out in the landfill today. They did bring out new cadaver dogs because this is the second time they have gone through this landfill. They say they`re looking for any new evidence that could have been missed the first time, and bringing out the new dogs can maybe pick up some new scents.
GRACE: To you, Rupa Mikkilineni, also joining us from Colorado City live. Rupa, what more about the landfill searches? We understand some of the searching going on right now. Why are they back?
RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. This is huge news today. We have learned today police have now finally confirmed to us that they did find in previous landfill searches that evidence pertaining to Hailey Dunn was found, physical evidence, Nancy. And this is what has led them back to these landfills today, local landfills, like the one here in Colorado City, and the one in Snyder (ph).
And tonight, even as we speak, investigators and police, cadaver dogs, you know, search units, there at the Snyder landfill, searching right now, for further evidence, evidence that could link to evidence that they`d already found through cadaver dogs at another landfill, a dog scent hitting on evidence pertaining to Hailey Dunn.
GRACE: Rupa Mikkilineni joining us live from Colorado City. Rupa, let me get this straight. They brought out cadaver dogs. Cadaver dogs? You`re sure they`re cadaver dogs, not scent dogs, not bomb dogs, not drug dogs, cadaver dogs that make a positive hit?
MIKKILINENI: Nancy, today at the landfill where I was at, I saw K9 units being brought in. I was not able to determine if they were cadaver or scent dogs. However, we were told by police that they are cadaver dogs. Now, here`s what`s interesting. The police have told me that they are not, in fact, looking for a body in these landfills, Nancy. They`re looking for evidence, physical evidence that pertains to Hailey, not necessarily a body. They do not believe a body was dumped intentionally by a murderer in these landfills.
GRACE: Well, if they`re not looking for a body, then why do they have cadaver dogs, Rupa?
MIKKILINENI: Nancy, this question, I`m not sure. But I do know that they are -- they do have dogs out there looking for evidence pertaining to Hailey. This could mean blood evidence. It could mean broken fingernails. It could mean a bloody T-shirt. It could any number of items that could have been disposed of in the trash at the house, at Billie Dunn`s house, and which was later transferred to one of these landfills when the trash was dumped.
GRACE: OK. To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. He`s also there live in Colorado City. His people, experts in searching, have joined this search for Hailey Dunn. Marc, I know what you want. You want Hailey brought home alive. I understand that. That`s what I want, too. But when cops bring out cadaver dogs, and they say, the cops say, We`re not looking for a body, what am I supposed to ignore those cadaver dogs behind you?
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, here`s what I can tell you, Nancy. The cops told Billie adamantly that if there was a major break in the case, she would hear it from them before the media heard it from them. So I have to conclude from that that whatever it is the speculation is going on about what`s happening out there today, they haven`t found anything that links Hailey to that landfill. And until they do, I suppose -- a landfill is a huge area and they`ll continue to search the landfill.
GRACE: Rupa Mikkilineni, in fact, police told you something absolutely contrary to Marc`s theory. Did they not tell you that the hit was related to Hailey, but not a body?
MIKKILINENI: Correct. They did say that. We`re not talking about the searches that happened today, but we`re talking about a previous search in a different landfill. That is correct, Nancy.
GRACE: Why can`t you tell me about a search for a letter, a letter written by Clint or Billie Dunn?
MIKKILINENI: Right. One of the reasons that they`re looking for any type of mail that was sent to the house, letters, written notes that might be dated, is because if you look at a landfill like this -- and this is a huge landfill. For example, this landfill in Snyder is huge. They need dated material in a garbage bag so that the physical evidence can be dated.
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ADKINS: Yes, is there any way I could speak to Officer Burleson?
911 OPERATOR: No. He`ll be here Tuesday.
ADKINS: OK, well, I got a situation on my hands. I have an ex- girlfriend and she`s taken a whole bunch of Klonopin. It`s like an anxiety pill that I take. I guess she got them from me. And she says she, like, took a bunch of her pain pill, too. And she`s saying that she wants to die. She don`t care about life and all this bullcrap. So I don`t know what to do.
911 OPERATOR: OK, who are you?
ADKINS: I`m her ex-boyfriend.
911 OPERATOR: What is your name?
ADKINS: Shawn Adkins.
911 OPERATOR: Spell your last name, Shawn.
ADKINS: A-D-K-I-N-S.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to be looking for any clothing items, anything that can be used to confine a person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The criminal investigation intensifies.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rope, anything like that, any form of weapons, trash bags, tarps.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities are focusing their energy on the criminal investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you find fresh-dug earth or anything like that, call me over. Don`t touch anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police were at a landfill here in Colorado City. This is a landfill that had been searched earlier. Now they are back again at this landfill for a reason.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone here is still asking the same question. Where is Hailey Dunn?
BILLIE DUNN: It`s upsetting. It`s frustrating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two hours with cadaver dogs, K9 units, searching specifically for something.
911 OPERATOR: OK. And what is her name?
ADKINS: Billie Dunn. And right now, she`s over at her mother`s house, Connie Ostrander`s. It`s -- who knows where that house is.
911 OPERATOR: Do you know the address?
ADKINS: All I know is she`s off of (DELETED) street.
911 OPERATOR: All right. What`s the phone number for you, Shawn?
ADKINS: It`s (DELETED)
911 OPERATOR: OK. And your address?
ADKINS: I`m not real sure about my address because I just barely moved here.
911 OPERATOR: OK.
ADKINS: It`s in Big Spring. I know I live on Apache Drive in Big Spring, Texas.
911 OPERATOR: OK. That`ll work.
ADKINS: I`m just not real sure of the house number.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. For those of you just joining us, simultaneous searches of landfills going on today. There has been a hit in one of the landfill searches related to Hailey Dunn.
Back to Rupa Mikkilineni. Give me a recap.
MIKKILINENI: Right, Nancy. We know that two landfills here in the Colorado City area, the local landfill in Colorado City and the Snyder landfill, have been revisited again today, this afternoon. Right now as I speak, there are searchers, police investigators, cadaver dogs, scent dogs in Snyder at the landfill searching for more evidence.
And the reason for this -- they`re back again for a reason, Nancy. There is a strategy, police have told me, and they`ve said that they found today -- tonight, they confirmed to us that they did find physical evidence pertaining to Hailey Dunn in another landfill. And it`s what`s made them come back to these landfills to re-search an area specifically along the days that Hailey Dunn went missing, on the 27th, a timeframe before and after the 27th.
GRACE: Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," on the story from the very beginning. Jean, what more can you tell us tonight?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": You know, Nancy, the big question I had all day is what kind of dogs are out there because everyone is saying cadaver dogs. But yet authorities have emphatically said that forensically, they have found nothing to show she is deceased. So my only conclusion is cadaver dogs are trained also as tracking dogs, to try to find an item of clothing, to try to find that earring that went gone at Chet (SIC) Adkins`s home.
But here`s the big thing, Nancy. I want to give a little bit of reality. It`s very cold there in west Texas right now, and the last time Hailey was seen, she was just wearing a shirt.
GRACE: You`re right, Jean. I want to go out to Tracy Sargent. She is a K9 handler, search, rescue and recovery specialist. She`s with her dog Cinco. Tracy, I want you to tell us what all a cadaver dog could hit upon. For instance, any human tissue, a bloody Band-Aid or a bandage, a fingernail, all of these things -- would a cadaver dog hit on that, if it related to Hailey?
TRACY SARGENT, K9 HANDLER: Yes, Nancy. The unique thing about cadaver dogs -- when we mention cadaver dogs, there`s a spectrum of what we call human remains, and that could include a number of things -- a body itself, body parts, and then the articles that you mentioned, like something -- an article with blood or a T-shirt that someone was wearing and had been decomposing in that T-shirt, a bloody weapon. Any type of material that has human remains on it, the dogs will respond to. So there`s a number of things that could be located in the landfill that may or may not be tied to this case.
GRACE: Now, Tracy, you`re saying cadaver dogs, cadaver dogs specifically. And maybe other kind of dogs, too, but cadaver dogs will hit on items that have human -- I don`t want to say waste -- but human tissue or DNA on them. It could be blood, saliva, decomposition, any of that.
SARGENT: Yes, ma`am. And although the common terminology that is more well-known is cadaver dogs, the terminology of human remains, detection dogs is really the more accurate description of what these dogs do.
GRACE: So to find a hit on something related to Hailey Dunn, it could be a Band-Aid?
SARGENT: That`s correct.
GRACE: A cadaver dog could find it, right?
SARGENT: That`s correct. Yes, ma`am. And it could or could not be Hailey`s. It could be someone else`s. So any human remains.
GRACE: But with police telling us that it is related to Hailey makes it significantly different.
SARGENT: Absolutely. And wherever the dogs respond, the investigators will search that area and determine does this particular item -- is it connected with the case that we`re investigating at the time? And if it is, they`ll take it into custody. If it is not, then they can discard it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As she walks into Hailey`s room each day, she`s just hoping for her girl to come home.
BILLIE DUNN: Every time I come in, I hope she`s sitting here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s still hope that Hailey will be found alive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Messages of hope.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Residents aren`t giving up hope and will continue to work tirelessly to bring Hailey home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hope is a good thing. We need to keep it up.
BILLIE DUNN: Hope is all I have.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hope in finding Hailey alive.
BILLIE DUNN: I`m still looking for a living, breathing Hailey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will not quit until we find Hailey.
BILLIE DUNN: It`s hard to hang onto hope when we`ve gotten nowhere.
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GRACE: With me tonight, taking your calls, Hailey`s mother, Billie Dunn. Billie, tell us what your days are like now. What do you spend your time doing all day?
BILLIE DUNN: Well, today I got out with Marc for a while, and it was really good for me. It was better to get out. We got out and we were able to find a button machine to make some buttons for Hailey. And it was just good for me to get out. And yesterday, I got out and met some of the volunteer searchers.
GRACE: Tell me, where are the searchers coming from, Billie?
BILLIE DUNN: Oh, all over, Nancy. There are some from Odessa, Amarillo, I mean, 100, 200 miles away, people are coming down here to find my daughter. People care from all over. I`m getting letters from all over the United States telling me people are praying for me.
GRACE: Is that one of the buttons you had made today?
BILLIE DUNN: No. This is a previous one that a lady here in town that I don`t know made and she gave us a couple. We should have ours out tomorrow. They`ve got a newer picture of Hailey.
GRACE: Billie, as the search goes on...
BILLIE DUNN: We don`t have them made yet.
GRACE: ... and you hear about possible hits at a landfill, but police saying, this is not a body, we have not found a body, we found something relating to Hailey, it`s not a body -- what thoughts are running through your head? How do you keep going hour to hour?
BILLIE DUNN: It`s so scary to hear stuff like that. And of course, it scares me every time I hear such a thing. But they did tell me if they got a big breakthrough, I would hear about that first. So I was also told they were out there today looking for our trash, any letters, anything Hailey would have jotted anything down on.
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BILLIE DUNN: Shawn had taken a debit card after we got into an argument and I had him leave.
I`m worried he could walk out with a TV or anything, my son`s XBox.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for missing 13-year-old Hailey Dunn continues near a landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re out there today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is in rural Texas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have come back to revisit this local landfall.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This isn`t the first search at the landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We continue to search. We`ll be searching landfills.
DUNN: Jean Burris (ph), a neighbor of ours, saw her Monday between 10:30 and 12:00.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She says she saw Hailey walking with a 6 or 7- year-old boy she didn`t recognize.
JEAN BURRIS, NEIGHBOR: That`s why I was looking at her so strong when she was going down the alley trying to figure out if I knew that kid. But I didn`t know him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If the sighting is confirmed, it would debunk any theory that Shawn Adkins took her the morning of December 27th.
DUNN: He`s telling me that he`s going to kill me. He was threatening to kill me and Clint.
SHAWN ADKINS: I`ve got a situation on my hands. I have an ex- girlfriend and she`s taken a whole bunch of Klonopin. It`s like an anxiety pill that I take. I guess she got them from me. And she says she like took a bunch of her pain pills too. And she`s saying that she wants to die. She don`t care about life and all this bullcrap.
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GRACE: In addition to two landfalls being searched as we go to air, searches in relation to Hailey Dunn, to Jean Casarez, what can you tell me about that hoop earring?
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, the hoop earring could take this investigation in another direction. We know that they are red hoop earrings that Billie gave them to Hailey Dunn. Billie said she wore them on Christmas day when she went over to Clint`s house, her father`s, to spend the night. She believes when she came back, she had them on. She doesn`t remember her not having them on. But yet one of them was found several days after Hailey went missing as Clint and his girlfriend were moving out of their apartment. So the issue is, could Hailey have been in that apartment the day she went missing, after she left her home?
GRACE: Rupa, have we heard any more about the earring?
MIKKILINENI: Nancy, we don`t. We do know that the police have collected the one remaining earring, which David, Billie`s son, had gathered over from Clint`s house and brought back here. And we know that they are investigating this. We also know that it is very possible that this earring could be really the key to -- as Jean was saying, to another direction of this investigation. It could lead to --
GRACE: I know what you and Jean are suggesting, and I understand that this could point back toward the father or the girlfriend. That she was there the day she went missing. Now, Clint Dunn says, point blank, Hailey left that hoop earring at his apartment Christmas night when she slept over. That would have been Saturday night. What about that? Would that fit into the timeline, Jean Casarez?
CASAREZ: She just left the earrings there, didn`t have them on anymore, and that would take the investigation away from that house. But let`s remember, Clint has been relentless in the search for his daughter. But we don`t know who else could have been in the house that day.
GRACE: To Billie Dunn. You believe -- you told me that she was wearing those earrings over Christmas. Did she spend the night with her father Christmas evening?
DUNN: She did.
GRACE: Are you absolutely positive she had the earrings on Sunday, the next day?
DUNN: No, I`m not.
GRACE: So him saying --
DUNN: I noticed that she had taken them out.
GRACE: Yes. So him saying she left it there Christmas night is entirely possible, correct?
DUNN: Yes.
GRACE: OK. Have you heard, or tried to reach Shawn Adkins, the boyfriend?
DUNN: No. Just every couple of days he`ll reach out. But we don`t really -- we don`t talk.
GRACE: To say what?
DUNN: Just to say he misses us, he loves us.
GRACE: Does he ever say anything about Hailey?
DUNN: He`s praying for her. Just the same as you`ve heard.
GRACE: Is it your understanding his lawyer has told him not to speak to you?
DUNN: Yes.
GRACE: Back to Jean Casarez. Jean, what do you know about the live- in boyfriend, the now no longer living there, Shawn Adkins, recently going online and posting photos of himself with Hailey?
CASAREZ: He did. On a MySpace account. This is just days ago, posted pictures of himself with Hailey, talking about that he misses them all, and he knows she will come home. And these are pictures, this is a communication, we think it is, to Billie from his grandmother`s house where everybody believes he`s staying night and day and not surfacing.
GRACE: And it states, I miss you so much, babe. There is nothing more than I want than to be there for you. Don`t lose hope. I love you, Hailey and David. Does that sound familiar, Billie?
DUNN: I hadn`t read it.
GRACE: OK. This is Shawn Adkins` alleged MySpace posting. Out to the lines. We`re taking your calls. To Kay in Texas. Hi, Kay.
KAY, TEXAS: Hi. My family is from there for many generations back. And what I want to know is, there is a prison there. Have all of the prisoners and trustees been accounted for during the time that she went missing?
GRACE: That`s a good question. Marc Klaas, do we know anything about that prison.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: (INAUDIBLE) the prison. We also know that there is a prison release program where the inmates in teams are allowed to come and work in the community. And I believe they were even involved in one of the searches. So there you have it. Another plausible scenario. The longer this goes, they continue to grow.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us out of Washington, D.C., Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor, death penalty qualified. Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta. Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.
Eleanor, in your expertise, and you have handled death penalty cases in the past, do you think police are holding off on an arrest until they have solid evidence?
ELEANOR ODOM, FELONY PROSECUTOR, DEATH PENALTY QUALIFIED: Of course they are, Nancy. It would be foolish to rush into an arrest. Especially when you`ve got a suspect kind of in your sights. You want to get as much evidence as you possibly can before you arrest someone. And build a solid case from the very beginning.
GRACE: What about it, Renee?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. Because Nancy, you represent contestant number two. And contestant number one has been arrested. The first thing that the defense attorney`s going to do is throw in the face of the police, didn`t you think you had a strong enough case against the first individual that you arrested and now you`re just coming at me, making it look more like a witch hunt. So the police are going to wait until they have something solid. They don`t want to be making multiple arrests.
GRACE: And to Peter Odom, cops have come out and said, police have said, we are not releasing what we have found in the cars until there`s an arrest.
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It means to me, Nancy, that they`re playing this very close to the vest. And smartly, in my opinion. They`re making this case not with a grand slam, but with bunts and singles. They`re gathering small pieces of evidence that I think the police hope eventually, with great patience, will add up to a solid case against somebody.
GRACE: Eleanor, to me, for them to say, we`re not releasing the forensic evidence we found in the car until we make an arrest. I think that you can interpret that a lot more differently than Peter Odom did.
E. ODOM: Well, I think so. And Nancy, the thing about forensic evidence, which we don`t want to forget, is it doesn`t lie. It doesn`t change. It is solid. And again, the police want to have that solid evidence before they make that arrest.
GRACE: To Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers." What do you make of it all, Bethany? Especially about these postings, about him saying he`s praying for Hailey, and the photos he`s putting out of himself with Hailey.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": I think it shows just how manipulative Shawn Adkins is. He`s manipulating Billie Dunn and he`s trying to rehabilitate his image in the eyes of the public. By the way, he`s trying to control her through that MySpace posting, too.
But the other sign of the manipulation that I see are these 911 calls. She calls 911 to report that he has homicide -- has made homicidal threats towards her and her former husband. He calls 911 to then say that she`s taken a bunch of Klonopin, has tried to kill herself. So in a way he`s trying to manipulate the operators at the 911 into thinking that there is something wrong with her. So that`s a sign to me of how manipulative he is. When he called the little girl promiscuous, he`s being manipulative as well.
GRACE: Painting the both of them in a bad light. Paul Penzone, former sergeant, Phoenix PD and child advocate, joining us out of Phoenix. What do you make of it all, Paul?
PAUL PENZONE, FORMER SERGEANT, PHOENIX PD, CHILD ADVOCATE: Well, what you were speaking about earlier with the law enforcement. There`s three things when you`re releasing information. What the community needs to know as it relates to their safety. What the community has to know to help you in the case. And what they want to know. And those are the details that the law enforcement has to keep back to protect the investigation, because it`s ultimately about conviction. It`s about finding this little girl, hopefully safe, and convicting the person responsible. And those details, though interesting to the public, are not ones that should be released.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re looking for any type of evidence that may give us an idea where Hailey is. Or who may have taken Hailey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopefully, people who know what happened to Hailey will come forward one way or the other.
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SHAWN ADKINS: Yes, do you have a way I could speak to Officer Burleson (ph)?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, he`ll be here Tuesday.
ADKINS: OK, well I`ve got a situation on my hands. I have an ex- girlfriend and she`s taken a whole bunch of Klonopin, it`s like an anxiety pill that I take. I guess she got them from me and she says she, like, took a bunch of her pain pills too and she`s saying that she wants to die. She don`t care about life and all this bullcrap. So I don`t know what to do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Who are you?
ADKINS: I`m her ex-boyfriend.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your name?
ADKINS: Shawn Adkins.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Spell your last name, Shawn.
ADKINS: A-D-K-I-N-S.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight out to Ethylene (ph) in Alabama. Hi, Ethylene.
ETHYLENE, ALABAMA: Hey, Nancy. I cannot believe I finally got through to you. I am so thankful for you. You are just a blessing to the whole United States.
GRACE: Ethylene, thank you very much. May I ask you what part of Alabama you`re from?
ETHYLENE, ALABAMA: I`m calling from Mobile.
GRACE: Really? My father is from Haycody (ph) if that rings a ball near Sampson. Go ahead, dear, what`s your question?
ETHYLENE, ALABAMA: Well, I wanted to say, this story has so many tentacles with Clint, and the boyfriend, and with Billie and everybody else. But my main question is, the neighbor that saw Hailey, the Monday she disappeared, have they really questioned him? And are they keeping an eye on him? Do they know where he is? And is he a suspect?
GRACE: You know, that`s a very good point. But you`ve got to remember, the boyfriend places himself with Hailey around 3:00 after the neighbor sees her at 12:00. But speaking of that, back to Billie Dunn, Hailey`s mom, you`re actually more familiar than that than we are because we have gone around and tried to find that guy. We haven`t been able to find him. What do you know about him? Have police finally run him down?
DUNN: I know that they did question him well. They did search the house that he was living in here next door. They said they searched it well. He`s not a suspect. I don`t know if they know where he went to or not. I believe he`s still in town. And Nancy, I wanted to get a message out to Hailey, if she is watching and she happens to get to a phone, to call 911. Because I do not have my cell phone.
GRACE: And what is your message? To call 911?
DUNN: Yes. Get out there, if you can get to a phone, run to a phone and call 911. Because I don`t have my cell phone with me. And I know she knows that number.
GRACE: To Dr. Titus Duncan, doctor of general surgery. Cops are back at a landfill today. If they find blood evidence, how will it be tested?
DR. TITUS DUNCAN, GENERAL SURGERY, ATLANTA MEDICAL CENTER: Nancy, that`s a forensic type of question. And basically they`ll test that blood to see if it has any sort of forensic qualities to it. See if -- DNA is what we`re looking for. What they`re going to look for is the DNA and match that DNA with anything that Hailey has in her home, any hair follicles or any blood particles in her home or anything of that sort. It`s easy to match up anything that they find in a landfill with whatever she has historically, so they can positively identify something.
GRACE: The tip line is 325-728-5294. There is a $15,000 reward. But right now, urgent news out of California. Just south of Modesto, there in Stanislaus county. A 4-year-old little boy is actually snatched from his grandmother`s arms. This was not the first time the perp tried to get him. He tried to get him at school, tried to get him at home. Well, he finally did it. But it ain`t over yet. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jose Rodriguez is caught on a video surveillance tape at a gas station in Patterson, just an hour before he`s accused of abducting Juliani Cardenas. Juliani`s mother says she had filed a temporary restraining order in the past but never thought he was capable of kidnapping her son.
TABITHA CARDENAS, JULIANI CARDENAS` MOTHER: Because he wants him all to himself. He`s doing it to make me mad or something, I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rodriguez had a previous relationship with the boy`s mother. But is not the biological father. The relationship ended months ago. But the grandmother says Rodriguez has remained bitter. She says he has made several attempts to grab the boy, and even went to his school to hunt him down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m more concerned because he has a criminal history. He`s been convicted of violent crimes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The grandmother says he forced his way into the house, pushed her to the floor, and snatched the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anytime you have a child who`s forcibly removed from someone who has care and custody of the child, there`s certainly cause to be concerned.
JULIANI CARDENAS` GRANDMOTHER: If you see anything, anything at all, just help us. Help us get my grandson back.
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GRACE: To Deborah Mark, KABC. Deborah, thank you for being with us. What do we know?
DEBORAH MARK, ANCHOR TALK RADIO 790 KABC: Well, Nancy, the boy was taken Tuesday around 4:12 in the afternoon. And has not been heard of. Now, there`s a little bit of hopeful news. Two cars have been pulled out from a canal where a farm worker said that he saw the car matching the description of Rodriguez`s car. Neither of those cars are the same car. Now, what police are telling us today is that there`s a possibility that Rodriguez`s car could be at the bottom of the canal, but most likely not. So that is hopeful, because apparently, or I should say hopefully the boy - - there`s a chance that the boy is still alive.
GRACE: With me right now, special guest, it is the mother of Juliani Cardenas. Tabitha Cardenas. Tabitha, thank you for being with us. Tabatha, what happened that day?
CARDENAS: I was at work. Jose had came by my house at 7:00 in the morning. And my son was asleep. He had been sick with a cough. And I told him, I said, you need to leave because, I mean, I told him, what are you doing here? It`s 7:00 in the morning. My son`s asleep. You know, you need to leave. And he was just like, oh, OK, and then he left and I didn`t think nothing of it, you know. I kept getting ready. My mom tells me, oh, you should stay home, you know, because you`re sick. And I said, no, I have to go to work. So I went to work and apparently he had showed up again to my house after I went to work, and he came into the house and told my mom that he just came by to say bye to Juliani. He then he told him bye and my mom, like, kind of pushed him out of here. And then he left. And then when I came home I found out that he was abducted.
JULIANA CARDENAS` GRANDMOTHER: Please, everyone, bring my grandson back. If you see anything, anything at all, just help us. Help us get my grandson back.
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GRACE: A little 4-year-old boy missing, just near Modesto, Stanislaus County, California. Take a look. Tip line 209-552-2472. There is a reward.
To Sheriff Adam Christianson from the Stanislaus County sheriff`s office. Sheriff, thank you for being with us. What do we know tonight? What can we tell our viewers so they can help us find this little boy?
SHERIFF ADAM CHRISTIANSON, STANISLAU COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, thank you for having me on the show, Nancy. What we want your viewers to know, there`s still hope we`re going to find little Juliani alive. We spent considerable time diving in a canal looking for a car based on a witness` tip and lead that we believe the suspect drove the car into the canal with little Juliani inside, but so far we haven`t been able to locate the car.
We still plan to go back tomorrow and with the assistance of the Merced County sheriff`s department, Sheriff Mark Pazin, we`re going to be using side scanning sonar in an attempt to try to further locate the car. There`s always hope that we`re going to find little Juliani alive somewhere and we`re just looking for that lead.
GRACE: Let me give that tip. 209-552-2472. For those of you staying with us for "America`s Missing" coming up next, Juliani`s mother will be staying with us and we will be taking your calls.
But tonight let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant First Class Tommy Folks, Jr., 31, Amarillo, Texas, killed Iraq. Second tour. Awarded bronze star, purple heart, army commendation medal, served Afghanistan and Kuwait. Dreamed of being a teacher and coach. Leaves behind parents Tom and Carol, sisters Burma (ph) and Mary. Tommy Folks, Jr. American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you. And a special good night from friends Cynthia and Ida. Aren`t they beautiful? And thank you to Missouri friend, Toni, for these hand knitted caps for the twins. Toni donated 1,300 homemade hats to neonatal intensive care units, cancer patients, homeless shelters, and soldiers.
And thank you tonight to Lamar`s Donuts, Alabama, for this giant Nancy Grace "Swift Justice" treat. Yum, yum.
And hello and thank you to miss Kourtney Kardashian. I`ve got to admit, I`ve read plenty of stories about you. Love you. Not that boyfriend so much. She says her guilty pleasure in "People" magazine, watching our show. Thank you.
Happy birthday to California friend, Josh Savara (ph). Loves books, music. Beautiful family including his 2-year-old niece, Bethany. And the "Nancy Grace" show. Over ten (ph) years ago we shared the same little hall in a tall apartment building in New York and met over his beloved Jack Russell, Remington. Happy birthday, dearest Josh.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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