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Nancy Grace

Body of Missing Elizabeth Ennen Found

Aired January 25, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Lubbock, Texas. A 15-year-old girl leaves home to baby-sit and vanishes. Cops first say runaway, but in a stunning twist obtain grainy surveillance video showing the teen forced against her will into a local motel room and then into a parking lot. Never seen again. The video clearly showing the girl cowering in fear of her kidnapper. Prime suspect, the daddy, the daddy of the little children she baby-sat.

Last night here, Elizabeth`s aunt confirms a body, a young female, just discovered. And in the last hours, we learned police investigating a possible link between this and the Hailey Dunn disappearance, the 13-year- old cheerleader, Colorado City, Texas.

Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, the search for 15-year-old Elizabeth comes to an end, police making a positive ID on the young girl`s body found left in a field just 10 miles north of Lubbock. The remains are Elizabeth`s. Tonight, we want justice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search for missing teenager.

GRACE: Her body has been found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifteen-year-old Elizabeth Ennen come to an end on a lonely road in Texas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her mother, she`s lost it. She`s a basket case right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The body found is Elizabeth`s.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We never dreamed this. I mean, I wouldn`t have ever -- I...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They discovered a body in northwest Lubbock County. It`s actually about 20 miles from where Elizabeth was first abducted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was doing some baby-sitting at the Carriage House Inn, a motel. She was baby-sitting for the children of Humberto Salinas, Jr.

GRACE: This suspect has lengthy criminal history.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I noticed the little girl was really, really, really stiff. I mean, she`s walking stiff, almost robot-like.

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GRACE: And tonight, live, Tennessee. After Mommy refuses to take care of her own 9-month-old baby girl any longer, she says she hands off baby Lauryn to a white female who comes to her door sent by the baby`s dad. Baby Lauryn never seen again. Breaking now. In the last hours, a secret grand jury hands down murder charges against the perp. Who? It`s Mommy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of missing 9-month-old Tennessee girl Lauryn Dickens.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dickens told police she gave police her 9-month- old child to a stranger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than a week before she reported little Lauryn missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her story later changed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said her parents were keeping the child, but no sign of little Lauryn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Homicide detectives and a cadaver dog searched her Raleigh apartment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It smelled. It stunk. There was some foul odor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The scent of death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tracy Dickens, the granddaughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter`s guilty and she knows she is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her granddaughter is missing and her daughter is locked up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Shelby County grand jury has indicted Lauryn`s mother, Shakara (ph) Dickens, on first degree murder.

GRACE: This reminds me so much of tot mom, Casey Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who plagiarizes Casey Anthony? Hasn`t she learned anything from this show?

GRACE: She wanted to live the single life, and her child ends up dead.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, Lubbock, Texas. A 15-year-old girl leaves home to baby-sit and vanishes. Grainy surveillance video shows the teen forced against her will into a local motel room and then back out into the parking lot. She`s never seen again.

In the last hours, we learn police actually investigating a possible link between this and the Hailey Dunn disappearance, the 13-year-old cheerleader, Colorado City, Texas. As we go to air, the search for 15- year-old Elizabeth comes to an end, police making a positive ID on the young girl`s body found in a field, discarded, just 10 miles north of Lubbock.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police in Lubbock, Texas -- they`ve found the body of missing teenager Elizabeth Ennen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They do have a body.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth disappeared during the early morning hours after baby-sitting for close family friends at the Carriage House motel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One witness has come forward claiming she saw Elizabeth with Salinas at the Dollar General store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I seen the little girl`s picture flashed up, and I just -- That`s her. That`s the little girl that I seen. That`s her. That`s the little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you see something that seems as just bizarre as this woman is describing, she really should have dropped a dime to 911.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Forty-five-year-old Humberto Salinas, Jr.`s, record includes domestic assault, aggravated assault and injury to a child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Salinas, was interviewed by police, he says, I love this girl, she`s like a daughter to me.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Straight out to Stephanie Berzinski joining us from KAMC there in Lubbock. Stephanie, what can you tell us?

STEPHANIE BERZINSKI, KAMC CORRESPONDENT: ... positively identified that body they found yesterday evening in northwest Lubbock County as 15- year-old Elizabeth Ennen. She was found in a -- near a cotton field out in the middle of nowhere. Actually, her body was found in brush next to an abandoned, dilapidated shack. And police are telling us they believe it`s been there for quite some time.

GRACE: It`s been there for quite some time. Describe the area, Stephanie.

BERZINSKI: It`s a very, very rural area. It`s a cotton field, hundreds of open acres. It would be nearly impossible to find on their own. That`s why rumor has it the suspect actually led police to the body.

GRACE: Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." What more do we know? Break it down for me, Jean.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, Nancy, this body that was found moments before you went to air last night was identified as Elizabeth Ennen through fingerprints. They have not disclosed the cause of death at this point of time, but they do believe that they have their man because they have arresting charges for aggravated kidnapping with Humberto Salinas, Jr. And you`re right, he`s the father of the kids she was baby-sitting.

GRACE: Let`s break it down. Ellie Jostad, go through with me what happened the day she goes missing. For those of you just joining us, we first told you about this story last night. A 15-year-old girl, Lubbock, Texas, goes missing. She heads out to baby-sit. And these are friends of the family. They`ve known the mother -- the family has known the children`s mother for about 15 years. She heads out to go baby-sit, make some extra money. She`s a teenager in high school. She`s never seen again.

Police then find grainy surveillance video showing her being forced into a local motel room, then back out into the parking lot. They had video of her in the halls of this motel, Carriage House Inn and Suites, cowering in the hall, afraid of her kidnapper. Who`s the kidnapper? The father of the children she`s baby-sitting.

Explain to me, Ellie, exactly what the timeline is.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK, Nancy. Well, Elizabeth goes to baby-sit for the Salinas family, as you explained, close friends of the family. They live at this motel, Nancy. She goes there about 6:15 in the evening. The father of the family is going to go play bingo. His wife is going to go out with her sister.

Apparently, at about 10:00 o`clock or so, he got a call. He says he gets a call from his wife saying, You better go home, the baby-sitter`s having trouble with the kids. So he says he goes home. They hang out for about three hours. Then he says Elizabeth was acting strange and wanted to go home. So he says even though he didn`t want to, he loaded up the kids in the car, gave her a ride home, dropped her off at her house. He says he saw her opening the screen door. He drove away.

But what police say actually happened is, Nancy, he took her out of that hotel room. He chased her into a corner. He then forced her back into the hotel room against her will. Then later, we see on surveillance, allegedly, him leading her out into the parking lot, never to be seen again.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Teri in Pennsylvania. Hi, Teri.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you this evening?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I actually have two questions. First of all, I was wondering why these people are living in a motel?. And second of all, last night, there was a comment made that Elizabeth possibly liked their eldest son. I was wondering what his age was. And if he was close to her age, why would they need a baby-sitter?

GRACE: OK. Apparently, from what we`ve learned, there was no boyfriend/girlfriend relationship at all. The older son of the alleged killer was 18. They were not dating. She went to go baby-sit much younger children. And why were they living in a motel? Because I don`t think they had anywhere else to live, is my understanding.

To Stephanie Berzinski, joining us from KAMC, Lubbock, Texas, why were they in a local motel?

BERZINSKI: According to Virginia Ennen, Elizabeth`s mother, they had been homeless for some time and they had no money to live elsewhere, so they were just living out of this rundown motel.

GRACE: Back to the lines. Nadine in New York. Hi, Nadine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I got to say, you can tell you`re feeling better because your whole spirit just glows!

GRACE: Nadine, thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question, last night, as I was watching this, all I could think of seeing the Family Dollar place, seeing the hotel, the comparisons to Hailey Dunn. And was one of their children maybe African- American and young, like the neighbor thought she saw them walking away with?

GRACE: You know, that`s a good question. What do we know, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: Well, as far as the similarities about the two, you know, you could imagine the state of Texas. Think about it. It`s a huge state. Both of these young women were from west Texas, but the body was found northwest of Lubbock. That is completely in the opposite direction of Colorado City. But they`re not that far apart.

GRACE: When you break it down, Jean, about how far apart are they, about 100 miles?

CASAREZ: I would say about 100 miles, yes. Yes.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Susan Moss, family law attorney out of New York, out of Atlanta, former prosecutor turned defense attorney Kirby Clements, out of Atlanta, veteran defense attorney Raymond Giudice. Weigh in, Sue Moss.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Salinas had better come clean-as! Let`s break it down. If the girl you kidnap is found dead under a tree, you better go run and find a plea! This guy is guilty! There`s so much evidence against him, considering not only this witness, but you`ve got the surveillance tape. I`m sure those kids have something to say. This case is going to be rock solid!

GRACE: Back to Stephanie Berzinski, KAMC, joining us out of Lubbock. Describe again the area and where exactly her body was found.

BERZINSKI: It`s next to a cotton field. It`s about two-and-a-half miles northeast of a town called Shallow Water (ph). It`s approximately 20 miles or so from where she was originally abducted. And it is desolate. I mean, it is off of a dirt road. It`s pretty much impossible to find that body unless you were led there.

GRACE: To Kirby Clements and Raymond Giudice. First to you, Ray Giudice. You know, in most jurisdictions that have the death penalty -- and last time I checked, Texas had it, all right...

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It sure does, Nancy. But keep in mind...

GRACE: ... a felony such as kidnapping will be an aggravating circumstance...

GIUDICE: That`s correct.

GRACE: ... that will allow the prosecutor to seek the DP.

GIUDICE: Yes, but he hasn`t been indicted for homicide, and that speaks to the fact that there may be a problem in the state`s case in proving the homicide.

GRACE: Kirby, don`t you think, realistically, it`s more that they`ve got to have the grand jury meet again and hand down the charges?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I think that this case does seem compelling against him. However, you know, the fact that they`re going so slow does suggest that there could be a problem.

GRACE: Go so slow? They just ID`d her body in the last hours, people! She hasn`t even been buried, and you`re talking about going slow? No! No! There will be an indictment on murder one!

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And after we showed her Salinas`s mug shot...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s the guy. That is the guy. I`d bet my life on it it`s him. That`s him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Boswell (ph) confirmed it was Elizabeth and Salinas she had seen just last week.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like I said, I had no clue this child was missing at all until the next day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So if the police had put that picture of her out there sooner...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would have grabbed the little girl and I would have kicked him, tried to do everything I could to keep him back from her.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The body of a young female found just outside of Lubbock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This poor little girl was assaulted, held against her will.

GRACE: The body of Elizabeth Ennen, just 15 years old -- her body has been found.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This suspect has a lengthy criminal history.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Salinas was interviewed by police, he says, I loved this girl, she`s like a daughter to me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elizabeth disappeared during the early morning hours after baby-sitting for close family friends at the Carriage House motel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The friend said they dropped the 15-year-old off.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He says he saw her open the screen door, and you know, start to go inside her house. But her family says she never got inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Salinas may have led police to the body.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His wife, common-law wife, had been friends with the family since she was 15. She is 28 now. For several -- I mean, for several years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, yes, I`ve met him before. And he (INAUDIBLE) seemed to be nice. I mean, I don`t know. I mean, I never dreamed this. I mean, wouldn`t have ever (INAUDIBLE) Carmen has always treated my kids just like they were her kids. And that`s what he has in the past, too! They were like they were his, too, you know? They were good to them. I just -- I don`t know! I just (INAUDIBLE)

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. A case we brought you just last night, in the last 24 hours, has come to an end. The body of a 15- year-old girl, Elizabeth Ennen, has been found just 10 miles north of her little town, Lubbock, Texas. She goes out to baby-sit. She`s never seen alive again.

Now, there are witnesses, witnesses that see her being forced into a car and a local family Dollar. But they say nothing. They don`t call police. Now her body found.

Jean Casarez, it was found hidden in a structure?

CASAREZ: A barren structure, that`s right, out in the middle of nowhere. And you know, Nancy, this rundown hotel that the family lived in -- boy, did it have surveillance video, it appears as though not only in the hallways, but out to the parking lot. And the surveillance video shows them alone in a hotel room initially for about one hour, Nancy.

GRACE: Back to the lawyers, Sue Moss, family law attorney, Kirby Clements, Raymond Giudice. Kirby Clements, you and Raymond Giudice chiming in, second verse, same as the first. They haven`t indicted him for murder, do they probably aren`t -- hello? They`ve got a murder warrant out on him. He`s cooling his jets behind bars on kidnapping. The grand jury hasn`t even met since her body was ID`d! You guys want to sit back and try a Hail Mary, go ahead! Hit me, Clements.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know, again, I have to say that...

GRACE: Uh-uh-oh-oh-oh-ooh-ooh-ooh...

CLEMENTS: ... no matter how -- no matter how...

GRACE: Come on! Spit it out!

CLEMENTS: ... damaging the case is -- well, you know, it`s been a long day. But no matter how damaging a case seems in the investigative phase, that doesn`t -- that`s not a predictor of how it`s going to be in the trial phase. And I would suggest that there can still be problems with this case. Although it seems damning at this point, the defense still has a chance, and we have to wait and see the whole story.

GIUDICE: And Nancy, you seem to be -- if I might jump in? You`re jumping to the conclusion before the autopsy has been completed. We don`t know the cause of death. We don`t know if there`s...

GRACE: So you want to tell me...

GIUDICE: ... linkage between the body...

GRACE: ... she went out in a shed and committed suicide or had a heart attack?

GIUDICE: What I want to tell you...

GRACE: She`s 15.

GIUDICE: What I want to tell you is that the evidence that is used to convict someone in a murder is the autopsy report, not what Nancy Grace thinks three hours after the body is found.

GRACE: OK, you know, let`s break it down, Sheriff -- excuse me, Sergeant Scott Haines. She`s forced into a motel room, forced out. She goes missing. The children`s daddy lies to the cops and to her parents. Then she`s found dead in a shed 10 miles north of town. What does that sound like to you, Scott Haines?

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA CTY., FL: There`s no question about it that that`s foul play. If he had nothing to hide, he would have just told them where the body was and what had happened.

GRACE: Foul play? That`s perfume on the pig, Haines! She was murdered. The baby-sitter was murdered.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re trying to get her mother under some sedation. She`s just -- she`s lost it. She`s a basket case right now. I just want to thank the people who sent us prayers, thoughts, was willing to help. And just thank you so much for y`all`s time and effort.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s what they told me. They dropped them off -- that he dropped them off at -- dropped her off at 1:30. But she just never came in!

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Let`s go straight out to Illinois. Candy in Illinois. Hi, Candy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I`m one of your biggest fans.

GRACE: Candy, thank you for calling in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. My heart goes out to this family. And my question is, I haven`t heard if he`s, you know, raped her or anything. I`m assuming he probably did. So my question is, were there any little girls that she was baby-sitting? And if so, have those girls been checked by the child welfare, you know, whoever?

GRACE: You know, Candy in Illinois, that`s an excellent question. Stephanie Berzinski, joining us from KAMC, Lubbock, what do we know? Who was she baby-sitting?

BERZINSKI: Police haven`t released the identity of the children. They`re keeping that -- they`re keeping them protected that way. We do know that they`re now in child protective services. However, they haven`t disclosed whether they were male or female.

GRACE: Susan Moss, we can only imagine what he was doing with her in that motel room for about an hour.

MOSS: He spent an hour in a hotel with this girl! He wasn`t counting his dollars to pay her her fee! I mean, obviously, something happened! And the fact that she had this horrible look upon her face after leaving the hotel room, as shown by the witness, and the fact that she didn`t want to get into a car with this guy shows that something horrible must have happened between the two of them beforehand!

GRACE: And not only that, recall -- Ellie Jostad, let me go to you on this. In the video, doesn`t it capture her -- and I guess this is in the motel hallway video, trying to get out of the hotel room and put her shoes and her coat back on?

JOSTAD: Yes. The first time that we -- that police see her on this video, this is after, as Jean Casarez mentioned, she`s alone in the room with the suspect for about an hour. She`s seen hurrying down the hallway, doesn`t have her shoes on, carrying her shoes, trying to put her coat on.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When Virginia Ennen told him Elizabeth had never stepped foot inside, Salinas even offered his help to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) He took off around, looking around the neighborhood and looking anywhere and everywhere we could think of.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search for missing teenager --

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Her body has been found.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: 15-year-old Elizabeth Ennen come to an end in a lonely road in Texas.

LILY HUCKABEE, AUNT OF ELIZABETH ENNEN, GIRL BELIEVED TO BE DEAD: Her mother, she`s lost it. She`s a basket case right now.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The body found is Elizabeth`s.

VIRGINIA ENNEN, MOM OF MISSING 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL, ELIZABETH: We never dreamed this. I mean I would never had.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They discovered a body in northwest Lubbock County. It`s actually about 20 miles from where Elizabeth was first abducted.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She was doing some babysitting at the Carriage House Inn, a motel. She was babysitting for the children of Humberto Salinas, Jr.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This suspect has a lengthy criminal history.

DENA BOSWELL, WITNESS: I noticed the little girl was really, really, really stiff. I mean she`s walking stiff, almost robot-like.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When Virginia Ennen told him Elizabeth had never stepped foot inside, Salinas even offered his help to find her.

ENNEN: He`s like, you`re kidding me. So he took off looking around the neighborhood and looking anywhere and everywhere we could think of.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls for those of you just joining us. The little girl we told you about last night, the 15-year-old babysitter who goes to babysit, never seen again. Police first think she`s a runaway.

Then grainy surveillance video emerges of her at a local motel being forced into a room. Then forced out into the parking lot an hour later. She`s cowering in fear, trying to put on her shoes, trying to put her coat.

There is a perp behind bars now. Her body has been found. The perp is now charged with kidnapping. It`s the children`s father, the daddy of the children she babysat.

What went on in that room? A little more is beginning to emerge about the alleged perpetrator, Humberto Salinas, Jr.

Ellie Jostad, what do we know about him?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, we knew yesterday that he`d been convicted in 1986 of injury to a local child. Now one of the local TV stations has dug up some very disturbing details about that.

The victim was a 4-month-old female relative. He apparently told police that he`d fallen asleep and dropped her, later confessed and admitted that he dropped her repeatedly onto a steel box. A box that he used to hold a jack for a car.

Dropped her on that box, repeatedly he told police he didn`t know why he did it. He said, I guess I`m crazy. And he actually served 12 years, Nancy, on that conviction.

GRACE: Later that same year, he was arrested for domestic assault towards his current wife, Carmen Rosa Manzanares. She said he hit her in the mouth with his left fist, grabbed her with right hand, struck her head against the dash of a vehicle.

And also, to you defense attorneys, Kirby Clements, Raymond Giudice, how do you repeatedly drop a 4-month-old baby onto a steel surface? How do you drop a baby over and over and over and over, Ray Giudice?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The thing about that case, Nancy, that he was convicted of it, which means he did commit the crime. He may have even pled guilty. So there is no excuse for that. And I`m not going to here make one. He was convicted of that but that crime is 20 something years ago and it may or may not show any relevancy to this matter.

GRACE: Clements?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`m right there with Ray. He`s absolutely correct. That was 20 years ago. He paid his debt to society. Let that go.

GRACE: OK, let me get this straight.

CLEMENTS: Just let it go.

GRACE: Sue Moss, this is how it works. It was 20 years ago, so it didn`t happen? It`s a crime on a child on a minor, a girl, committed by him. How is that not relevant?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: It shows his history of violence, not only against women, which he did with Carmen, but also against a child. And the fact that he has two violent acts that he`s been convicted of, and now he`s two -- charged with another violent act, I`m seeing a pattern.

Of course it`s relevant, of course it`s going to come in for sentencing and of course it`s going to lead to him getting the death penalty unless he takes a plea.

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session."

Jean, I`m very focused on where he hid the body. Because I think that we`re going to find a lot of evidence there. We`re going to find some kind of aggravating circumstance in that area, and clearly when you hide a body, that gets rid of any defense that it was a suicide or that it was an accident.

Because if it`s an accident, unless you`re Joran Van Der Sloot, why do you go hide the body?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Right, and you know what`s interesting, too, is the timeline on this. Because the last time he left that motel with Elizabeth, 30 minutes later he came back by himself.

So was he able to discard that body in 30 minutes, kill her, I should say, and discard the body in 30 minutes, and then come back to the hotel? If so, maybe didn`t do too good of a job.

GRACE: So Jean, this is a shed 10 miles north of Lubbock. A shed used for what?

CASAREZ: Probably for the cotton gin. Probably for the cotton. This is a big crop in Texas. This is near a cotton field, so it was for industrial purposes.

GRACE: We`re showing you footage now of the area where the babysitter`s body was found. This is the shed it was hidden in.

Clearly indicating, Sergeant Scott Haines, that it was a local that knew how to find this shed out in the middle of nowhere to hide a body in.

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FL.: Absolutely. This is somewhere he`s been before which is also concerning. They may find more out there that is related even to this case.

GRACE: You mean possibly related to another case. A shed turned mausoleum for this 15-year-old little babysitter.

To Dr. Howard Oliver, former deputy medical examiner, forensic pathologist, joining us out of L.A.

Dr. Oliver, thank you for being with us.

Dr. Oliver, I want to ask you again about the location of the body. Apparently when they found Elizabeth`s body there, they say the body has been there for some time. That says to me he did not keep her hidden for a period of time. The murder was then and there that day she came to babysit.

HOWARD OLIVER, FMR. DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes, it sounds like that from the time -- you know, he came back in 30 minutes, so it appears that he killed the little girl, kept her in his car or whatever and later moved the body out to the shed.

GRACE: Back out to the lines. Lynn in Michigan, hi, Lynn.

LYNN, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi, Nancy, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

LYNN: I was wondering, was there any surveillance of the 18-year-old son coming in or out of the hotel that day? And if so, is there a chance that maybe the father`s covering up for his son?

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, I don`t think that the 18-year-old was in or out -- in or out at all, was he?

JOSTAD: Well, not that we know of, Nancy. This document we have from police only talks about the father, Humberto Salinas, Jr. being on that tape with the victim.

GRACE: To the lines. Cindy in Tennessee, hi, Cindy. I think I`ve got Cindy. Are you with me, dear?

Let`s go to Billie in Indiana. Hi, Billie.

BILLIE, CALLER FROM INDIANA: Hi, Nancy, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

BILLIE: My question was also about the son. Last night you said that the father had told police that the little girl had possibly run away with the -- with the son. And at what point did they realize that the son was not a runaway and was not missing and shouldn`t that have let them know then that the father was lying?

GRACE: What about it, Ellie?

JOSTAD: That`s a good point. What police say is that they were told actually by the victim`s mother that she suspected it was possible her daughter could be with that son of the suspect. So police say that`s the angle they were initially taking. They were trying to track down her friends. They were trying to talk to people who knew her. And it wasn`t until they interviewed the suspect that this took a totally different turn.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Dr. Paula Bloom, Dr. Paula Bloom, clinical psychologist. You can find her at Paulabloom.com.

Weigh in, Paula.

DR. PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, BLOGGER, PAULABLOOM.COM: Oh, boy, this is really, really hard. It`s just -- you know, with all due respect to Ray and Kirby, the fact that there`s one major thing here, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

To say that it`s not relevant was -- I`m not a lawyer, I don`t know how it`s going to go down in the legal system. But this guy has a history of impulse control problems, of violence, of treating human beings like objects, being able to do that to a baby. It`s a huge thing. So I have to say -- and this little girl is babysitting.

GRACE: The alleged perpetrator is the father of the children this 15- year-old girl went to babysit. Grainy surveillance video catches her being forced into a motel room. An hour later she emerges trying to put on her shoes, her coat, trying to rush down the hall. He forces her into the parking lot. She is never seen alive again.

The search for 15-year-old Elizabeth Ennen ends tonight. Her body found 10 miles north of Lubbock, hidden in a broken down shed.

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HUCKABEE: Wife, common law wife had been friends with the family since she was 15. She`s 28 now. For several -- I mean, for several years.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lauryn Dickens is still missing. Her whereabouts a complete missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dickens` story about her missing child keep changing. First, she said she gave the baby to a stranger.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Unknown female.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: White.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Forty to 50 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cops say Dickens claimed she gave baby Lauryn to the female without knowing who she was or where she lived.

GRACE: Long story short.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Baby Lauryn is still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Shakara, where is Lauryn? Do you know?

GRACE: Don`t expect for Shakara Dickens to break down and give a confession. She`s cold as ice.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lead investigators are now seeking the human remains of Lauryn Dickens.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: While the search for 10-month-old Lauryn Dickens continues, her mother Shakara Dickens faced a judge.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Shakara Dickens now faces a possible death penalty after an indictment has just been handed down, accusing Dickens of first-degree murder.

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GRACE: Who would hand their brand new baby girl over to a complete stranger? But that is the story that was told by Shakara Dickens about her baby, Lauryn. She says when motherhood became just too much for her, and mind you, she`s already shipped another child off to live with relatives.

When motherhood gets to be too much after just a few months, she says the baby`s daddy sent someone to take the child to take care of it. That`s all she knows. That a white female appears at her door. She hands the baby over, and it`s never seen again. But tonight, she is indicted for murder.

To Jean Casarez, what do we know, Jean?

CASAREZ: Well, the grand jury returned an indictment, not only on aggravated child abuse, aggravated endangerment and neglect of a child, but two counts of first-degree murder and false offense report that she lied to authorities.

GRACE: Give me the facts around the disappearance of the little girl, Nicole Partin.

Nicole, investigative reporter, joining us out of Nashville.

What happened, Nicole?

NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Good evening, Nancy. It was back on September 15th that Shakara Dickens entered into a police precinct and reported that her daughter was missing. She claims that she gave her 9-month-old baby girl to a white female that was sent by the child`s father.

The father is incarcerated. He refuted that story, said that was absolutely untrue, and of course, that`s when everything went downhill.

GRACE: Jean, do we know anymore facts, anymore details?

CASAREZ: She was originally charged with aggravated child abuse and the child neglect or endangerment. A search warrant was executed on her home, her apartment and a cadaver dog hit on a spot. That`s when she was charged with those initial charges but they`ve been doing forensic tests on items taken from the apartment.

Now we see the indictment. So, Nancy, I think something came back in those forensic tests to link her with the murder of her child.

GRACE: So from what you`re telling me, they plan to go forward, Jean Casarez, without a body?

CASAREZ: Yes. And it looks like the first-degree murder charges are felony murder charges of killing during the commission of aggravated child abuse.

GRACE: Joining us tonight, a special guest, Arthur Horne. He is the defense attorney for Shakara Dickens, the mother now charged in the murder of her 9-month-old baby girl.

Arthur Horne, joining us out of Memphis, Tennessee.

Mr. Horne, thank you for being with us.

ARTHUR HORNE, ATTORNEY FOR MOM CHARGED WITH MURDERING 9-MO. OLD INFANT DAUGHTER: Thank you for having me on the show, Nancy.

GRACE: Mr. Horne, your client has already given at least one statement, saying she handed the baby over to a stranger, a female that came to her door that was sent there by the baby`s bio dad, who happened to be in jail at the time.

But isn`t it true, sir, that she had her phone blocked? She was not accepting calls from the jail from the baby`s daddy?

HORNE: That was the testimony of her child`s father at the preliminary hearing. Of course, Nancy, as you know, there are other ways to communicate inmates have.

GRACE: That`s true.

HORNE: Inmates get their hands on cell phones and, again, that was his testimony at the preliminary hearing.

GRACE: Well, you`re right about that, Arthur Horne.

Arthur Horne is Shakara Dickens` defense attorney, joining us out of Memphis, Tennessee.

Yes, they send messages through other people. They`re famous for three-ways.

HORNE: Right.

GRACE: In other words, patching it in. They`ll collect call somebody and that somebody will patch them in to the person they want to talk to. They`ll locate them and patch them in.

They send letters -- you`re right, there`s more than one way to skin a cat, Arthur Horne. But there`s still the conundrum that she wants a jury, because she`s locked into her statement now, to believe she handed the baby over to a woman she had never met and didn`t know.

HORNE: Well, again, the evidence -- there`s no evidence in this case that proves that there`s any injury, serious bodily injury to the child or there`s never been a body produced to show that Lauryn has been murdered.

GRACE: You know, you`re right about that, too, Arthur Horne. Have cops, and I assume they have since there is now a formal indictment, given you discovery, has the state given you discovery such as the forensic evidence?

Under the law, under our constitution as it`s construed, they`ve got to give you all scientific evidence. Do you know what was found in the home? Arthur Horne?

HORNE: Sure. We haven`t received -- we`re not at that stage in the proceedings. We`ve had a preliminary hearing. We felt like at the preliminary hearing that was held based on the aggravated child neglect, and endangerment charge. We felt like they barely were able to prove probable cause, because they were really unable to prove serious bodily injury.

Now I find out yesterday that they`ve indicted her on first-degree murder. And I have not heard any new evidence that the state has received or found --

GRACE: Well, Arthur Horne, at that preliminary hearing, they put up evidence about what they found in Shakara`s home. What did they tell the judge?

HORNE: What did they tell the judge?

GRACE: Mm-hmm.

HORNE: I mean, there was no evidence produced at that hearing that there was serious bodily injury done to that child.

GRACE: What evidence -- what blood evidence did they find in Shakara, your client`s home is what I`m asking you.

HORNE: Well, I mean I think, again, they were going on the assumption that if someone hands off their child to another person that there`s the potential for a young child to have serious bodily injury.

GRACE: Jean --

HORNE: And I think that was enough to get probable cause. Again, Nancy, as you know, there`s a higher standard if we go to trial and again I haven`t heard of any new evidence in this case to support a grand jury indictment for first-degree murder.

GRACE: Well, obviously the grand jury did have enough evidence to indict it because that was their true bill. They handed down a true bill.

And as we all know -- unleash the lawyers, Ray Giudice, Kirby Clements, Sue Moss. At a preliminary hearing, all you`re asking a judge to do is bind it over. You put up a bare-bones case, just enough, you don`t want to give away your whole case in preliminary hearing, Sue Moss.

MOSS: Absolutely. She`s going to be convicted because of this Zenaida-charade. It`s like a (inaudible). They`re going to be able to prove that this woman doesn`t exist, that she never communicated with the baby daddy and that going to really turn this jury against her.

GRACE: What about it, Ray Giudice?

GIUDICE: Well, in English, I think the state has problem. They don`t have a crime scene and they don`t have a body.

GRACE: Oh really? Kirby Clements, with all the blood they found in the home, no crime scene?

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Baby Lauryn is still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Shakara Dickens claims she gave her baby to a total stranger.

MOSS: She doesn`t have a chance.

GIUDICE: She can absolutely be charged and indicted and convicted without the finding of a body.

MOSS: She`s going down.

GRACE: Breaking news. Murder charges against the baby girl`s own mother.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Nine-month-old infant girl presumed dead.

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GRACE: Back out to you, Jean Casarez, what if anything do we know about the scene there in the apartment?

CASAREZ: Well, we know that a cadaver dog hit upon a scent of decomposition in that apartment. And that`s what led to the initial charges of aggravated child abuse and aggravated neglect and endangerment of a child.

Now some time has passed and now the grand jury has returned the indictment about the time the forensic testing will be completed on the bags of evidence they took out of the home.

GRACE: The tip line, 901-528-2274.

Let`s stop and remember Army Staff Sergeant Brian Freeman, just 27, Caledonia, Mississippi, killed Iraq. Awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, two meritorious service medals, also served Bosnia and Kosovo.

Loved Colorado outdoors, hiking, fishing, time with his nephews, Bradley and Gabe. Never got to meet his niece, Abby. Favorite team, the Red Sox. Dreamed of starting a family. Leaves behind parents Glen and Patricia. Sister, Lisa, brother, Matthew, widow, Leah.

Brian Freeman, American hero.

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Hunter in the fight of a lifetime. Our prayers to Hunter.

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