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Nancy Grace
Missing Orlando Woman
Aired February 24, 2011 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Vanished into thin air.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look for her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just need to kind her.
GRACE: So many cases --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re still looking.
GRACE: -- so few leads.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.
GRACE: Missing person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s our duty to find her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The witness had seen the suspect on NANCY GRACE.
GRACE: There is a God.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The NANCY GRACE show was out there for us.
GRACE: Found alive.
Fifty people, 50 days, 50 nights.
Let`s don`t give up.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t want to think that something happened to her, but we`re starting to get to a point where we`re concerned whether she`s alive or not. And it`s the hardest thing for us to go through right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends and family describe Tracy Ocasio as radiant and full of life. Daddy`s little girl, the 27-year-old lived for two things -- a love of animals and basketball.
It was the second one that brought her to the Florida Tap Room on May 26, 2009. It was a big night for the Orlando Magic, and Tracy told her parents she`d be home after the game. She never made it.
LIZ OCASIO, TRACY OCASIO`S MOM: It`s not like her not to call somebody, talk to somebody, be in contact with somebody. She would have let at least one person know. And absolutely nobody knows anything, and we have talked to so many people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May 26, 2009, Tracy joined friends at an Orlando bar to watch the NBA playoffs. Surveillance video captures her leafing around 1:00 a.m. with this man, James Hataway. Hataway claims Tracy gave him a lift him and then drove away. This is the last known sighting of Tracy.
OCASIO: When I realized that she hadn`t returned home that night, I started calling her, and I just encountered phone silence all day, which is definitely not like her at all. By 7:00 at night, she still hadn`t turned up. Nothing had happened. I was beginning to get frantic because I was calling everybody I could think of, and then the police found her car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next day, Tracy`s car was found abandoned about 15 miles from the bar. Her purse inside, but her cell phone, keys and I.D. missing. Police searched both the vehicle and Hataway`s home but uncovered no evidence of foul play.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: James, where`s Tracy?
JAMES HATAWAY, MET TRACY IN BAR: I`m innocent.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened the last night with her?
HATAWAY: She left. I hung out with my father.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what did you guys do that night?
HATAWAY: We just hung out. She gave me a ride home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As the search continues for Tracy, James Hataway sits behind bars on unrelated charges. He remains the only official person of interest in Tracy`s disappearance. But police lack the evidence to charge him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We love you.
OCASIO: Yes, we love you. Please. We`re going to find you. Yes, we`re going to find you and bring you back.
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GRACE: Every day 2,300 people go missing in America. Disappear. Vanish. Families left behind waiting, wondering, but never forgetting. And neither have we.
Fifty people, 50 days. Fifty nights we go live, spotlighting America`s missing children -- boy, girls, mothers, fathers, grandparents gone. But where?
Tonight, live, Orlando, Florida. Time for the playoffs.
Basketball fan Tracy Ocasio heads out to watch her favorite team, the Orlando Magic. She tells her mom she`ll be home after the game, but the 27-year-old beauty is never seen again.
Only clue, grainy surveillance video spots Tracy leaving a sports bar with James Hataway. Unbeknownst to her, a lifelong criminal. Tracy`s Chevy Cobalt discovered unlocked, abandoned.
Tonight, we learned around 8:30 that next morning he phone pings off a tower about 1,000 feet from her Chevy. Keys, cell phone, wallet, gone. Hataway named a suspect.
Police reportedly say the guy who bummed a ride, James Hataway, obsessed with "dark arts," serial killers, cannibalism, vampires.
Tonight, where is Tracy Ocasio?
Straight out to Jean Casarez.
Jean, what happened?
JEAN CASAREZ, CO-HOST: This is a case that is very recent. In fact, for everybody that`s following the Casey Anthony case, let`s look at the timeline here.
Caylee Anthony went missing the summer of 2008. Her remains were found in December of 2008. And this disappearance was May of 2009. So it`s not that long ago.
I want to go out to Drew Petrimoulx, reporter in Orlando for WDBO Radio.
Drew, she went that night -- Tracy Ocasio went that night to the Tap Room. Tell us what the Tap Room is, in Orlando. And why did she go there?
DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO RADIO: It`s a local bar where people will go, and not like any other sports bar that`s around here, and this was during the Magic playoffs. The Orlando Magic. And she would go up there. She was a big fan, and she would go up there and watch the game.
They had TVs posted up all over the bar. And it was a place where she would go with her friends, where they`d all go and enjoy watching the Magic game together.
CASAREZ: And she was with her girlfriends that night, right?
PETRIMOULX: Yes, but at the time that she left, her friends had already gone home or were no longer there. When she was seen leaving the bar, surveillance video captured her leaving with a man named James Hataway and not her friends. So at that point her friends were no longer there.
CASAREZ: You know, everybody, we want to show you this surveillance video because this is the last time that we ever saw Tracy Ocasio alive. There she is right there. She`s leaving the bar and it is -- Drew Petrimoulx, what time is that about that she`s leaving the bar?
PETRIMOULX: It`s about 1:30. The bar closes around 2:00, so we`re inching up towards closing time there.
CASAREZ: And that is James Hataway that she is leaving with. And there was overtime that night on that game. So that was a huge night.
In fact, she texted her friends on her cell phone which she used all the time. She texted, "Go Magic! Go Magic!" because it was that overtime and she wanted them to win.
Marlaina Schiavo, take up the story from there. What do we believe happened after she left the sports bar?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, according to reports, she was supposed to drive James Hataway home. And according to him, she just dropped him off and left and then she was never seen again.
However, there were some conflicting reports from him because at one point he told someone that she actually came in his home. But cadaver dogs had searched the area, Jean, around the home and around where her car was, and they never picked up her scent. So there`s some holes in his story.
CASAREZ: That`s a big key right there. Cadaver dogs never picked up her scent around his home.
I want to go out to some very, very special guests tonight. It`s the parents of Tracy Ocasio joining us tonight, Liz Ocasio and Joe Ocasio.
We can`t imagine what you`ve gone through since 2009. We cannot relate.
But Liz, I want to ask you, you spoke with your daughter that night from the sports bar, didn`t you? She called you.
L. OCASIO: Actually I called her and I just asked her if she was coming home that night. She said yes, and then the game was about to start, and so we both hung up and watched the game.
CASAREZ: What did you hear in her voice? Was she excited, a normal night?
L. OCASIO: She was going -- she didn`t want to stay on the phone because she wanted to start cheering for the team. She was all happy and, you know, up and ready to cheer for the Magic.
CASAREZ: Joe, how did you find out that something was very, very wrong?
JOE OCASIO, TRACY`S FATHER: Well, we talked that night, and we thought that she had gone to her girlfriend`s house. She did that off and on, so we were not concerned that night when she did not call, even though she always called. But in the morning, when police found her car, then we knew something was definitely wrong.
CASAREZ: Now, did the police call you or did you call the police when that car was found?
L. OCASIO: The police called me to tell me that they had found her car. And I asked them if, you know, they had her, because they asked me for her. And I said, you know, "I`m looking for her." And they said, "Well, we have her car. Can you come move it?"
So I said, "OK, fine." And I went over and I got the car and brought it home. And then I called my husband and said, "Look, I haven`t been able to get in touch with her all day. Do you want me to report her missing?" And he`s like, "Yes, definitely, call right now."
So that`s when I actually did report her missing.
CASAREZ: So the night of May 26th is when she`s at the sports bar. She`s watching the playoffs game with Orlando Magic. That next morning, the 27th, you thought she`d gone to her friend`s house.
Liz, you texted her, right, around 6:15 in the morning?
L. OCASIO: Yes, around 6:15, 6:30 I texted her and just said, "Where are you?" And I never heard anything back. And then I called her around 8:30, and it went straight to voicemail.
CASAREZ: And the pings from her phone, especially that 8:30 call that you made to her, where did the pings show her phone was at that time?
L. OCASIO: At Hataway`s house, basically. It was within 1,000 feet of that area.
CASAREZ: At Hataway`s house. But yet cadaver dogs never found her scent near that house, correct?
J. OCASIO: That`s correct. Or outside that house.
CASAREZ: So what have the police told you about those inconsistent facts right there?
J. OCASIO: Well, I mean, there were several. Not only the facts of those particular facts, but the fact that Hataway made up a couple different stories.
First, he was blaming other people for having told him to not tell the police anything if they asked about Tracy. When that did not work out then he made a second story. And then when they asked directly about her whereabouts, he asked for a lawyers and decided not to talk anymore.
CASAREZ: To Marc Klaas, president, founder of KlaasKids Foundation.
You know, we look at these facts, and we`ve got more of them that we`re going to bring out, but James Hataway was caught on surveillance video. And all I can say is thank goodness that camera was there and that tape was in and that machine was rolling, because they found out early on who was the last person she was with.
MARC KLAAS, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: They absolutely did, and he turns out to be a fellow that hates women and a fellow that has run-ins with other women that get them in trouble as well. He`s a pretty bad player there, and I think the sooner he`s put down, the better off society will be.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With every day that passes, Liz and Joe Ocasio lose a little more hope.
L. OCASIO: I want to know what he did and where my daughter is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Friends say Tracy gave James Hataway a ride home from the Tap Room after a Magic game. She hasn`t been seen since.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you guys do that night?
HATAWAY: We just hung out. She gave me a ride home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did she say to you, where she was going? Did she say anything to you about where she was going?
HATAWAY: No. Nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her car was found about 150 yards away from Hataway`s home, and her cell phone was used in that same area hours after Hataway says she dropped him off.
L. OCASIO: Why was her car found so close to his house, you know, but yet she wasn`t in it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With media coverage and posters going up around town, Liz Ocasio tells us tips are coming in, but she is also learning more about what kind of person Jimmy Hataway is, and none of it, she says, is good.
L. OCASIO: He must know something, more than just she left. That does not make sense.
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CASAREZ: Tracy Ocasio, Orlando, Florida, the Tap Room, May 2009. It`s not that long ago she went missing.
Surveillance video shows her leaving that sports bar with James Hataway. Now, James Hataway has not been charged in her murder at all. He is a suspect.
And to Drew Petrimoulx, joining us tonight from Orlando, WDBO Radio.
James Hataway is charged with first-degree premeditated attempted murder, and if we look at some patterns here, tell us the facts associated with the current case that he is now incarcerated in. They haven`t had the trial the yet, but he`s in jail in Florida.
PETRIMOULX: Well, this happened about nine months before Tracy went missing, and apparently he was -- allegedly, he was taking another girl home -- or another girl was taking him home, and when she got close to her house, he allegedly attacked her. It was a brutal attack, according to her.
And she was screaming, she was really feeling threatened for her life. And it wasn`t until somebody overheard her screams that they came to her rescue, that she was able to escape, according to what she says.
CASAREZ: All right. So this is someone who says that they survived an attack by James Hataway.
They were driving him home, just as you allegedly have in this case. She was saying goodnight to him. And he took her neck and tried to break it.
She ran out of the car, ran down the sidewalk. She tripped and fell, and he started banging her head on the cement.
People saw it. They reported it. She got away.
To Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor, death penalty qualified, joining us out of Atlanta.
Criminals have patterns, and the facts of that case and the facts of this case are so substantially similar. But how can they use anything from that to help solve this and find Tracy?
ELEANOR ODOM, FELONY PROSECUTOR: Well, one thing I like to say, Jean, is that a leopard doesn`t change its spots. You see a pattern of behavior, and what I think he did this time, the second time, was that he made sure that she wasn`t going to be around to be found.
And that`s what`s so disconcerting. I think we can guess what happened in this situation by what happened to the first girl. And he`s on trial for that now.
CASAREZ: Peter Odom, defense attorney, joining us out of Atlanta.
We don`t want to have tunnel vision here, all right? But this is a suspect in this case, James Hataway. But authorities, forensically, can`t link him. They can`t find evidence. They can`t find her.
How do they solve this case?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Jean, he`s innocent. He --
CASAREZ: Until proven guilty, yes.
P. ODOM: Until proven guilty.
CASAREZ: Until charged, yes.
P. ODOM: Apparently, we`ve all got him condemned here and are concluding that he is the person.
CASAREZ: No. I just said he`s walking out of the sports bar with her. That`s all I said.
P. ODOM: Exactly.
CASAREZ: And police say he`s a suspect.
P. ODOM: Police can all him a suspect, but they don`t have anything to link him physically to this crime except mere proximity. If the police thought that he was guilty, and they had enough evidence to arrest him, they would have. Right now he`s innocent, and we should respect that.
CASAREZ: All right.
Paul Penzone -- it is quite a coincidence, Paul Penzone, former sergeant from the Phoenix Police Department, joining us tonight from Phoenix. It is quite a coincidence that the last person she is seen with is this man, and he is now charged with attempted premeditated murder with a fact pattern that is so similar.
PAUL PENZONE, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX POLICE DEPT.: Yes. And those behaviors are. That`s what defines people.
And this case here, Peter`s correct, he`s innocent until proven guilty. But law enforcement needs to work extra hard. It`s shameful to think that he committed the other act prior if he`s responsible for taking this young lady`s life. And it`s hard for law enforcement to look at that and know that he should have been off the streets.
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L. OCASIO: I can`t believe that they didn`t pick him up. They really should have looked a little harder for him and found him. If they had actually done enough, then my daughter would still be here and we wouldn`t be going through this right now. She would be home.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search continues for a missing Orange County woman, 27-year-old Tracy Ocasio.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: had been watching the Magic game at the Tap Room in Orlando.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators believe she gave this man --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: James Virgil Hataway.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- James Hataway, a ride from the bar to his Castlebury home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you guys do that night?
HATAWAY: We just hung out. She gave me a ride home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But investigators found her abandoned car down a stranger`s wooded driveway just blocks from Hataway`s house. Tracy, still missing.
J. OCASIO: We really realize that there`s more to it and this guy knows something.
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CASAREZ: Look how beautiful she is, Tracy Ocasio. She is gorgeous.
They did so many searches for her. Do you realize that Texas Equusearch came down to Orlando again after they were down there for Casey Anthony -- Caylee Anthony? And they searched everywhere.
One thing that was found was a black boot, a type of a shoe. It was the very same size that Tracy had worn, and they actually had it tested for DNA and they couldn`t find any DNA on it. It was just too dilapidated out there from in the woods area.
All right. I want to go to Drew Petrimoulx, joining us from WDBO Radio.
You were on this case from the very beginning. The focus is James Hataway, because there`s a surveillance video. That`s the man she left with that night, never to be heard from again.
When this case was breaking, and as the investigation has gone on, who else do you see that police have either targeted or looked at or interviewed?
PETRIMOULX: You know, I can`t speak to every single person that they`ve interviewed, but I know as far as a suspect, James Hataway is the only person of interest. He was the only person of interest, and he`s been the only suspect since this whole thing ever started.
And, I mean, he was the last person to see her, so I think that`s why they`ve focused around it. Also the fact that he had some misstatements and changed his story a little bit when he was speaking with police. And also has this history, I think, that has pointed them towards him, and they don`t have anybody else that they have been looking at in this case.
CASAREZ: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Deal Breakers," joining us from Los Angeles.
Your thoughts?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, when I see that tape of this guy walking around the bar, he is definitely trolling for victims. And what comes to mind is the profile of the sadistic rapist, because you talked about his love of sort of the dark side at the beginning of the program.
What we know about sadistic rapists is they have a very rich fantasy life. They tend to be very intellectually organized.
Once they pick their victims, they tend to abduct the victim before they commit the sex offense. And there`s often a great deal of rage and violence associated with a sex attack.
And then often there are periods of time in between attacks, and that`s what we`ve seen with this guy. There`s a lot of down time between attacks where he relies on his fantasy life.
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J. OCASIO: If he hurt her and she`s alive, I just hope he comes forward and we can get her back. I hold nothing against him.
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GRACE: Vanished into thin air.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look for her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just need to find her.
GRACE: So many cases.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still looking.
GRACE: So few leads.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing.
GRACE: Missing person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s our duty to find her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The witness seen the suspect on Nancy Grace.
GRACE: There is a God.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy Grace show was out there for us.
GRACE: Found. Alive. 50 people, 50 days, 50 nights. Let`s don`t give up.
JOE OCASIO, TRACY OCASIO`S FATHER: We don`t want to think that something happened to her. We`re starting to get to a point where we`re concerned whether she`s alive or not. It`s the hardest thing for us to go through right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends and family describe Tracy Ocasio as radiant and full of life. Daddy`s little girl, the 27-year-old lived for two things, a love of animals and basketball. It was the second one that brought her to the Florida tap room. On May 26th 2009, it was a big night for the Orlando Magic, and Tracy told her parents she`d be home after the game. She never made it.
LIZ OCASIO, TRACY OCASIO`S MOM: It`s not like her not to call somebody, talk to somebody, be in contact with somebody. She would have let, at least, one person know. And absolutely, nobody knows anything, and we have talked to so many people.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May 26th, 2009, Tracy joined friends at an Orlando bar to watch the NBA playoffs. Surveillance video captures her leaving around 1:00 a.m. with this man, James Hataway. Hataway claims Tracy gave him a lift home and then drove away. This is the last known sighting of Tracy.
LIZ OCASIO: When I realized that she hadn`t returned home that night, I started calling her, and I just encountered phone silence all day which is definitely not like her at all. By 7 o`clock at night, she still hadn`t turned up. Nothing had happened. I was beginning to get frantic because I was calling everybody I could think of, and then, the police found her car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The next day, Tracy`s car was found abandoned about 15 miles from the bar. Her purse inside, but her cell phone, keys and I.D. missing. Police searched both the vehicle and Hataway`s home but uncovered no evidence of foul play.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where`s Tracy?
JAMES HATAWAY, SUSPECT IN TRACY OCASIO DISAPPEARANCE: I`m innocent.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened the last night with her?
HATAWAY: She left. I hung out with my father.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you guys do that night?
HATAWAY: We just hung out. She gave me a ride home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As the search continues for Tracy, James Hataway sits behind bars on unrelated charges. He remains the only official person of interest in Tracy`s disappearance., but police lack the evidence to charge him.
JOE OCASIO: We love you.
LIZ OCASIO: Yes, we love you. Please. We`re going to find you. Yes, we`re going to find you and bring you back.
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GRACE: Every day, 2,300 people go missing in America, disappear, vanish. Families left behind waiting, wondering, but never forgetting, and neither have we. Fifty people, 50 days, 50 nights we go live, spotlighting America`s missing children, boys, girls, mothers, fathers, grandparents, gone, but where?
Tonight, live, Orlando, Florida. Time for the playoffs. Basketball fan, Tracy Ocasio heads out to watch her favorite team, the Orlando Magic. She tells her mom she`ll be home after the game, but the 27-year-old beauty is never seen again. Only clue, grainy surveillance video spots Tracy leaving a sports bar with James Hataway. Unbeknownst to her, a lifelong criminal. Tracy`s Chevy Cobalt discovered unlocked, abandoned.
Tonight, we learn around 8:30 that next morning, her phone pings off a tower about 1,000 feet from her Chevy. Keys, cell phone, wallet, gone. Hataway named a suspect. Police reportedly say the guy who bummed a ride, James Hataway, obsessed with, quote, "dark arts, serial killers, cannibalism, vampires." Tonight, where is Tracy Ocasio? Straight out to Jean Casarez. Jean, what happened?
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Trace Ocasio lived with her parents at home, and she loved basketball. And so, she went to the local sports bar because it was playoff time for the NBA. The Orlando Magic was playing, and she was there with her girlfriends, and she told her parents she was going and she`d come home after that, but she never returned. She never came back home.
To Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO Radio, joining us out of Orlando. Drew, I want to ask you, because you were on this case from the beginning. Orlando had gotten through Caylee Anthony. Caylee Anthony missing for so long. Major news around this country. All of a sudden, her remains were found the December before. Now, you have another missing person. How did Orlando react to this?
DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Well, and before that, it was Jennifer Kessy. Don`t forget about that.
CASAREZ: Yes. Right.
PETRIMOULX: Which was a huge -- and you know, it`s, the people here definitely came out to help on these searches. That`s one of the things that you can definitely say for this community. I`ve covered at least a half dozen of these searches, and there are volunteers out there and people that have been part of groups that go out and try to help donate their time. Walk through thick woods in the sweltering heat, where there is, you know, all kind of poisonous snakes and stuff out there, and they`re out there all day looking.
So, I think the one thing that you can say about this community in that aspect is they come together to try to help out Liz and Joe because they have been very strong through this whole thing. I`ve had a chance to meet them on multiple occasions, and you won`t find nicer people.
CASAREZ: To Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer, after James Hataway was arrested, they actually executed a search warrant at the home. He lived with his father. They took computers from the home. What did they find on the hard drive?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Jean, they found multiple searches about murders, suicide, cannibalism, vampires, and as a matter of fact, after police started questioning him about Tracy Ocasio, they found that he was searching, researching suicide for several hours.
CASAREZ: Now, we don`t know exactly who was doing that research. All of that research on the computer, because his father did live in the home. It was a computer that they both may have used, but police definitely looked at that, that someone was researching serial killers and murder and cannibalism.
I want to join to the show some very special guests that have been kind enough to come on the show, and I`m sure it is difficult to do this. But Liz Ocasio, her husband, Joe Ocasio, the parents of Tracy. Your daughter is gorgeous. She is absolutely beautiful as we watch her so full of life on this screen. The reports are saying that with her cell phone, which I think is important to set the timeline and possibly give us some information, that she made a call or a call was made from her phone at 4:30 in the morning on May 27th?
LIZ OCASIO: I have heard of that, but the girl who she supposedly called did not answer the phone. She didn`t hear it ring, I guess. We haven`t heard anything more about that phone call.
CASAREZ: So who was --
JOE OCASIO: But there was a record of a phone call made that morning from her phone to that other phone.
LIZ OCASIO: Whether she made it or not, we don`t know.
CASAREZ: Who was -- who was the call made to? A friend of hers? Girlfriend?
JOE OCASIO: Yes, that`s correct. Yes.
CASAREZ: Interesting.
LIZ OCASIO: Apparently, it could have been that it was the last person that she called, and somebody dropped her phone, and it just redialed the last number dialed.
CASAREZ: Right, or it may have shown that she was alive at that point. Paul Penzone, former sergeant, Phoenix Police Department, child advocate, joining us from Phoenix. What are your thoughts on that? Her phone pinged in the area of James Hataway`s house. A phone call made at 4:30. The 8:30 call her mother made to her pinged in the vicinity of his home.
PAUL PENZONE, FORMER SERGEANT, PHONIEX PD: I think all these pieces, what you see, which everyone realizes, it`s all circling around this man. You know, these predators repeat the same behaviors. We had a brutal serial killer case here in Phoenix with the same exact type of behaviors, and this person actually went to prison, came back out, and started a whole new spree.
Law enforcement, although, they have to have their eyes wide open, has to work exceptionally hard to find those pieces of evidence to tie the person to this young lady. This is just tragic, and my heart goes out to the family.
CASAREZ: And we want to remind everybody, James Hataway is not charged in this case at all. He is facing first-degree premeditated attempted murder of another young woman, but nothing in this case.
Tonight, please let us find Guy Pike. He is 70 years old. He vanishes on April 2nd, 1988, from Evans Mills, New York. He`s a white male, 6 feet tall, 170 pounds with gray hair and blue eyes. If you have any questions or information, please call 315-425-2111.
If your loved one is missing and you need help, go to CNN.com/nancygrace and send us your story. We want to help you find your loved ones.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A family holds on to hope as the search continues for missing Orange County woman, 27-year-old Tracy Ocasio.
LIZ OCASIO: It`s not like her not to call somebody, talk to somebody, be in contact with somebody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that police want to get more information out of is this man, James Hataway. Investigators claim Hataway was the last person to see the missing woman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: DON`T know what happened with Tracy once he got home. Mr. Hataway is saying that the last time he saw Tracy is that she drove away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since that ride, Ocoee police (ph) found the woman`s car abandoned of Lyle Street near where Hataway lives but still no sign of the young woman.
JOE OCASIO: If he hurt her and she`s alive, I just hope he comes forward, and we can get her back. I`d hold nothing against him.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez. We are taking your calls. To Phaedra in Illinois. Hi, Phaedra.
PHAEDRA, ILLINOIS: Hi.
CASAREZ: Thank you for calling.
PHAEDRA: Thank you for having my call. My question is, did she go to the club by herself or was she with friends?
CASAREZ: Did she go to the car by herself? To Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer, when she left the sports bar, as we see on this surveillance video right here, with James Hataway, it`s believed that she took him home, right? He needed a ride.
SCHIAVO: Right. It was just her and James at that time. And it was just the two of them in the car.
CASAREZ: Right. He did not have transportation. I want to go out to the parents of Tracy, Liz Ocasio joining us, Joe Ocasio. I want to go back to this boot that was found during one of the many, many searches. Talk to us about where it was found, when it was found, and where it was in relation to everything else, the home of James Hataway, the tap bar.
JOE OCASIO: It was found near a lake called Lake Bennett. This is an area where James Hataway used to hang out. And, originally, we had searched the area, and there was really nothing there, and this boot was found then a couple of months later really in a pathway that almost anybody could have seen it. The thought here, it`s either a homeless person or someone placed that piece there or an animal took it from somewhere in that area.
For just the circumstances that this was one of the main areas where he hung out, and it was in an area where he preferred to come in and party and all that, it just put more focus on him and her girlfriend that when she first saw the boot broke down in tears right off the bat. It was a unique type of boot because of the shape of it. So, it`s just all the circumstances around it just points a finger right back at him.
CASAREZ: Do you think this area should be searched again? They searched it many times, right, even before they found the boot they searched it many times, right?
JOE OCASIO: We have. I mean, this has been a focus area now for several searches. This is also an area that they took divers into the lake. So, I`m really not sure. However, that said, there`s many times in the same areas where police have searched, they come back and after 10 or 11 times, they find something. So, you never know, and we`re not going to give up, and we`re definitely going to be going back to that area again here during the spring.
CASAREZ: Liz or Joe, what message do you want to get out tonight to anyone that may be listening, that knows information or knows someone that knows something?
LIZ OCASIO: Anyone who knows anything, please call the police. James Hataway is locked up. He is in jail. He`s not going to get out. Just call up and tell what you know. Tell us so that we can find our daughter, and we can bring her home.
CASAREZ: Peter Odom, defense attorney, joining us out of Atlanta. Here`s what I`m going for, OK? Let`s look at strategy here and justice at the very same time. James Hataway, innocent until proven guilty, has not been charged in this case at all. Last one to be seen with Tracy. He is now facing life in prison for attempted murder in Florida. Florida has the death penalty. Now, I personally, I don`t believe in bargaining away the death penalty. I don`t think it`s right, but it`s done. Isn`t there motive for him to come clean, to talk about what happened if he can save his life?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, there`s not the death penalty available for his current crime.
CASAREZ: Correct.
ODOM: Because that`s an attempt. So, there`s no bargaining chip there. He`s going to have no incentive to throw anything on the table involving this poor woman, unless, they come in with something very, very favorable. And the prosecutors are just unlikely to be willing to do that with a crime this brutal, the one that he`s charged with. So, I don`t see it happening. I suppose it`s possible.
CASAREZ: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us out of Los Angeles. How do these parents go on every holiday, every birthday, every moment of the waking day to remember a daughter that they had in 2009?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, I`m very humbled to be answering this question with these lovely parents on the show, but I have to say, I would encourage them to celebrate her life, to make meaning out of this crime by helping other victims, to keep her face out there, to balance the grieving process with keeping hope alive, and to do everything possible to make sure this guy never, ever gets out of jail and never offends again because he`s a serious sex offender.
And the panel`s been talking about the pattern and the reason these guys have the same pattern again and again is that the offending pattern follows their deviant sexual arousal pattern. That is what it is. And whether he`s an anger rapist who uses brutality or a sadistic rapist who uses cruelty, he`s just going to keep doing the same thing again. So, I`m glad he`s not getting out.
CASAREZ: Liz Ocasio, are you still going to all of the court appearances for James Hataway?
LIZ OCASIO: Yes, I am. Every one. And I see him there many times. He will not look at me.
CASAREZ: So, he`s never made eye contact with you?
LIZ OCASIO: No. He won`t make eye contact with me. He knows I`m there, but he won`t make eye contact with me.
CASAREZ: Are you going to sit through his attempted murder trial?
LIZ OCASIO: Oh, most definitely I`ll be there. Most definitely.
CASAREZ: To Marc Klaas --
LIZ OCASIO: I`ll be there to give --
CASAREZ: Yes?
LIZ OCASIO: I`ll be there to give the other victim as much support as we can as well.
CASAREZ: Which is an interesting point because this is a surviving victim. And let me ask you for a second before I let you go, this incident happened, I say incident, it`s attempted murder, according to prosecutors, it happened nine months before your Tracy went missing. The victim, in that case, didn`t want to come forward. She was scared, right?
LIZ OCASIO: She did come forward. She came forward when it happened and charged him, and then, for some reason, somehow, they -- he got away. He moved out of that county. He moved into another county. And the police couldn`t find him, and when she saw his picture after Tracy was attacked, she came forward and told the Ocoee police what had happened to her, and they told her to go back to the other police and tell them, and that`s how they caught him for what she did -- for what happened to her.
CASAREZ: Marc Klaas, I want to give you the final word tonight. You`ve been through this. What are your words for Tracy`s parents?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT & FOUNDE, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I admire their courage. I admire Liz`s courage for being able to go to the courtroom time after time after time and look this punk in the eye. He just demonstrates what a coward this guy is, and there`s definitely an 800- pound gorilla in the room, and that`s the fact that they did not pursue him when they knew what he had done to that first victim. If they had, Tracy would probably be alive today.
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JOE OCASIO: We don`t want to think that something happened to her, but we`re starting to get to a point where we`re concerned whether she`s alive or not, and it`s the hardest thing for us to go through right now.
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GRACE: These are the faces of America`s missing. Every 30 seconds, another child, a sister, a brother, a father or mother, disappears. Families left behind wondering and waiting. We have not forgotten.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thwana Darrough would be 38. She went missing from Eldorado, Arizona. She reportedly was last seen at her school bus stop but didn`t make it to school that day.
Extensive canine searches revealed no clues in the effort to find Jeremy Alex. He disappeared from North Port, Maine, in 2004. He was carrying a red backpack.
Rachel Pratt last seen in Garden City, Kansas, vanished in 1995. She would now be 31. If you have any information, call 1-800-the-lost.
Lee Cutler was last seen in Buffalo Grove, Illinois.
GRACE: Mystery surrounding an Illinois teen who vanishes into thin air. The teen leaves for work that morning then never heard from again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His car was later found in Wisconsin. He would be 21, and his family prays to see him again.
GRACE: Lee Cutler.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had gone to a birthday party, a friend`s birthday party the night before, and he seemed fine, and he was playing hacky sack with his friends, and he had a lot of friends. I mean, he was really loved by a lot of people. He had a friend who had cancer, and he used to pick up friends to go visit him in the hospital and, you know, if anybody ever, like, had any kind of troubles, he`d be there to help them.
I just want to find him. I just want to find him and hold him. It would be the best gift I`d ever have in my whole entire life is to have my son back. Lee was very caring of people. Very sensitive. You know, he liked to get home and take his shoes off and walk around barefoot. He was kind of like a hippy. And he just was a lot of fun, you know? He wanted to make sure that everybody was happy. He loved to give hugs.
In his youth group, there`s a kid that was in a wheelchair, and we`d have the meetings at my house in the basement, and he was concerned that the kid couldn`t come to the meetings because he was in a wheelchair, so he arranged for him and a bunch of other guys to carry him downstairs. So, he was just -- he was always wanting people to get along.
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GRACE: I`m Nancy Grace. See you tomorrow night, 9 o`clock sharp eastern. And until then, we will be looking. Keep the faith, friend.
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