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Nancy Grace

Drew Peterson`s Love Letters From Jail

Aired April 18, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the mystery surrounding 23-year-old mom Stacy Peterson vanishing, upscale Chicago suburbs, husband/cop Drew Peterson the prime suspect in his fourth wife`s disappearance. Finally, Peterson charged in the 2004 drowning of wife number three, Kathleen Savio, Savio found covered in bruises, drowned to death in a bone-dry bathtub.

Bombshell tonight. Even as Peterson sits behind bars awaiting trial for the murder of his ex-wife, Peterson on the prowl for women. In dozens of jailhouse love letters, Peterson repeatedly propositions a new love interest, asking for the single mom of two`s measurements, begs for a photo of her in a bikini, wants to know if she has any STDs -- sexually transmitted diseases -- and goes on to describe what he, Peterson, wants to do to her, Diana, in bed.

Even more shocking, Peterson tells Diana she can have all his missing wife`s clothes, stating, quote, "I`ve got a closet full of new or like-new clothes that Stacy left behind when she abandoned us, everything from formal dresses to sweats to bikinis, shoes, purses, new leather coats, new underwear, new bras. If you want these things, Diana, let me know, but only you should know about it.

Yes, he puts that in his letters. Now, if Peterson takes the stand, now he can explain his X-rated love letters to a jury.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Hey, baby."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, the girl that left the note in the mailbox that I read about in the paper?

DREW PETERSON, CHARGED IN 3RD WIFE`S MURDER: Oh, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sex, sex with a lot of foreplay."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s right at your doorstep, and then nothing. And then she drove by and blew you kisses?

PETERSON: Oh, yes.

Am I worried about her and her safety? Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sex, sex with a lot of foreplay."

PETERSON: I`m a suspect officially, but I think I was a suspect from the beginning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s got to be encouraging to you, though?

PETERSON: Oh, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ladies are starting to come back around?

PETERSON: Ladies are coming back around.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Hi, baby. Feeling your body against mine. I`m more into pleasing my partner than myself. I want to spend a lot of time with my lips on yours. I just think of your smile."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How could they resist?

PETERSON: Exactly!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight, police race to an upscale tree-lined suburb to find a mom lying shot dead on the den sofa. Who shoots Mommy execution- style as she watches TV? Suspect number one, her own 15-year-old daughter. Why? Mommy doesn`t want her 15-year-old girl dating a 17-year-old boy. Icing on the cake, after shooting Mommy dead execution-style, the teen girl invites the boyfriend over to have sex while her mother sits dead on the sofa.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 15-year-old teen girl is accused of shooting her mom, an Army recruiter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a gunshot wound to the back of her head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As her mom watched TV, cops say the daughter used her parents` gun to shoot her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her daughter confessed to shooting at her mom, the culmination of a series of heated arguments, police say, about everything from boys to school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Instead of calling 911, authorities say, the teen girl invited her boyfriend over to the home, and the couple allegedly admitted to having sex while her dead mom`s body laid (SIC) on the couch.

911 OPERATOR: Jackson 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, we`ve got an emergency, a woman passed out on her sofa. Looks like she bled out on her head. It looks like (INAUDIBLE) come down and got me. I`m at...

911 OPERATOR: What`s the address?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 1753 Sahale Falls Drive in Falls of Brownsville.

911 OPERATOR: Sahale Falls?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sahale Falls, yes.

911 OPERATOR: Now, what -- is she awake?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. She looks like she`s -- she`s just passed out, like she (INAUDIBLE) passed out on the sofa. But I haven`t touched anything. They say she`s cold. But she`s got blood underneath her and it looks like it`s congealed on the edges like it`s been there a while.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Husband/cop Drew Peterson, the prime suspect in his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson`s, disappearance, finally charged in the 2004 drowning of wife number three, Kathleen Savio, found drowned to death in a bone-dry bathtub. But even as Drew Peterson sits behind bars awaiting trial for the murder of his wife, Peterson on the prowl for women. We obtain dozens of jailhouse letters, love letters, of Peterson repeatedly propositioning a new love interest.

We are taking your calls live. Straight out to Dorothy Cascerceri, entertainment editor with "The National Enquirer." I can`t get over these letters. How did you get your mitts on them?

DOROTHY CASCERCERI, "NATIONAL ENQUIRER": Well, Nancy, we have some incredible investigative reporters and we connected with the woman who was receiving the letters from Drew, a woman by the name of Diana Grandel. And this woman actually met Drew Peterson when she was just a teenager. She`s 40 years old now. And when she was just a teenager, Drew Peterson came to her rescue because her father was being very abusive towards her mother, and she`s always had a friendship with him since then.

When she found out that he was going to jail because of -- he was being charged with the murder of his third wife, she started reaching out to him. She wanted to support him. She believed in his innocence. That is, until the letters got a little racy and a little bit questionable.

GRACE: A little racy? He asked for her to pose for photos in a bikini. He asked her, does she have STDs -- sexually transmitted diseases. He goes on and on about what he wants to do with her in bed, about what a great lover he is. Then to top it all off, he tries to give her his dead wife`s clothes, claiming that she left them behind, as if wearing a dead woman`s fur coat is, like, a good thing. What else did the letters say, Dorothy?

CASCERCERI: Well, Nancy, I want to read this exact quote for you. "I just think of your smile and holding you in the dark, feeling your body against mine. I want to spent a lot of time with my lips on yours." That`s one of the...

GRACE: OK, hold on. Liz, let me see a picture of Drew Peterson`s lips. OK. I need to see this. OK, give me a repeat, Dorothy. He said what in the letter?

CASCERCERI: OK. "I just think of your smile and holding you in the dark, feeling your body against mine. I want to spend a lot of time with my lips on yours."

GRACE: OK, let`s take a listen to some of Drew Peterson -- remember, this is his wife number four that`s gone missing, Stacy Peterson. He`s now indicted in the murder of wife number three, Kathleen Savio. And instead of wondering where his wife is or what happened to his third dead wife, he`s writing love letters behind bars. Take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Hi, baby. There was a reason for my questions -- 5 feet, 116, and 33D. If I got to build you from scratch, I would make you just how you are. Anyway, I have a closet full of new or like-new clothes that Stacy left behind when she abandoned us, everything from formal dresses to sweats to bikinis. When she left, she took a new wardrobe she just bought. I got shoes, purses, new leather coats, new underwear and bras. She bought only the best stuff. I really spoiled her. You are about her size and I`m sure everything should fit. If you want these things, let me know. Only you should know."

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Yes, only you and not the defense. That`s what he meant to say.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: " -- body against mine and hearing your voice. I want to spend a lot of time with my lips on yours. Sex with a lot of foreplay. I`m more into pleasing my partner than myself"...

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Please stop. Please stop, Liz. OK. Unleash the lawyers, Peter Odom, defense attorney joining us out of Atlanta, Joe Lawless, defense attorney, author of "Prosecutorial Misconduct." Oh, they`re going to have a field day with these, Peter Odom, a field day!

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Unlikely the jury`s ever going to hear these, Nancy.

GRACE: Oh, excuse me. I disagree.

ODOM: Very unlikely. They`re just not relevant. I mean...

GRACE: BS! BS! He`s trying to give his wife`s clothes away! If he thought...

ODOM: Well, that`s a -- that`s a...

GRACE: ... she was going come back into -- walk through the front door and surprise him, he wouldn`t be giving all her stuff away.

ODOM: That part -- the part about the wife`s clothes they might hear because that`s relevant.

GRACE: Well, that`s part of...

ODOM: The rest of it is not relevant.

GRACE: Put him up!

ODOM: Put me back up.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Hold on, Odom! That is complete BS because the prosecution is going to argue not to allow just part of a document in. The jury will see that document in its entirety.

ODOM: I doubt it.

GRACE: You know -- yes, they will see it. OK, Lawless, don`t put on your defense hat, just try -- try -- to tell us how you think the judge is going to rule. This goes to Peterson`s state of mind.

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it goes to his state of mind. I think it`s the probative value versus the prejudicial impact. But if I`m the prosecutor, I`m hiring the guy who just read the letters because I`d like to hear -- like to see the jury hear it in that voice.

I think it gets in. They may edit some of it to keep out the more racy stuff. But I think you`re right, the idea that he`s giving away his wife`s clothing strongly suggests that he knows she`s not coming back through that door.

GRACE: I mean, come on!

ODOM: Oh, yes. I think some of it gets in.

GRACE: Lawless? Lawless -- put them up, please! Lawless, what woman could refuse wearing a murdered woman`s fur coat or her underwear or her push-up bras?

LAWLESS: I sitting -- I`m sitting here listening to this...

GRACE: Who wouldn`t jump on that?

LAWLESS: Nancy, you know I`ve been around for a while. I`m sitting here listening to it, and quite frankly, it`s skeezing me out. I -- it`s - - it`s -- you know, there`s -- it`s not -- if I`m Scott (SIC) Peterson`s defense lawyer, I`m going to fight like heck to keep it out. But I think some of it -- a significant portion of it, I think is going to get in.

GRACE: Oh, it`s coming in.

LAWLESS: Yes.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Jean in North Carolina. Hi, Jean.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy. How`re you doing?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he seriously asking single people for sex and showing bikini photos? Ew! Ew!

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Jean, he is. This is the first time I`ve gotten to laugh during the Drew Peterson case. And when I look at him and I think about, "I want my lips all over your body," and I take a look at that, it`s enough to make you just retch, vomit, puke, hurl right here. And I know the ladies on the jury are going to have the same reaction.

But the important part to this -- to you, Caryn Stark, maybe we need a shrink on this -- is that his total disregard for his wife, who was the runaway, the runaway wife, i.e., the wife he killed, complete disregard. He`s giving her clothes away.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, let`s look at this, really. Point number one, that`s no surprise because if he killed her, we know that he has no conscience. And this is a guy who never pays attention to the law and is sexually aggressive. That`s clear with a 15-year-old -- forget about now, he had sex with her before, when she was 15 years old. The guy has no limits or boundaries.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETERSON: I mean, look at this. Who am I? I`m Drew Peterson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Hi, baby. There was a reason for my questions -- 5 feet, 116, and 33D. If I got to build you from scratch, I would make you just how you are. Anyway, I have a closet full of new or like-new clothes that Stacy left behind when she abandoned us, everything from formal dresses to sweats to bikinis. When she left, she took a new wardrobe she just bought. I got shoes, purses, new leather coats, new underwear and bras. She bought only the best stuff. I really spoiled her. You are about her size and I`m sure everything should fit. If you want these things, let me know. Only you should know."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t find these letters offensive?

DIANA GRANDEL, DREW PETERSON`S PEN PAL: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who was the first one to be flirtatious, if you will?

GRANDEL: Drew.

(LAUGHTER)

GRANDEL: Drew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you flirt back in your letters?

GRANDEL: Sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the tone of some of yours? I mean...

GRANDEL: Not like his! I don`t have that kind of imagination. But you know, I was joking around with him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People might wonder why you would send him photos of you in a bikini.

GRANDEL: Oh, my God, it`s a bikini. I wasn`t naked, right? It`s a bikini.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s an exclusive interview from MyfoxChicago.com with Drew Peterson`s pen pal, Diana Grandel. We have some of those letters she wrote back to him and the letters that he wrote to her.

We are taking your calls. To Joe Hosey, reporter with Patch.com, author of "Fatal Vows." What do you make of this, Joe?

JOE HOSEY, PATCH.COM (via telephone): Hi, Nancy. It`s Drew being Drew. I mean, is anyone really surprised that (INAUDIBLE) he`s offering Stacy`s clothes to yet another woman? This is the third, by my count that I know of, that he`s trying to lure in by offering his missing wife`s clothing to them. There`s Paula Stark (ph). There was Christina Rains (ph). He had Christina Rains living in his house. In fact, I believe Christina Rains is still visiting him in jail when he was writing these letters to Ms. Grandel.

GRACE: So this isn`t the first time that he has tried to unload his wife`s clothing.

Joining us right now, a special guest out of Chicago, Joe Lopez. This is an attorney for Drew Peterson. Mr. Lopez, thank you for being with us.

JOE LOPEZ, ATTORNEY FOR DREW PETERSON: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Joe, what`s with your client, Drew Peterson, trying to give away his wife`s clothing?

LOPEZ: Well, what`s he going to do with the clothing? It`s all out of style anyway now. I guess he doesn`t want to throw it out or give it to Goodwill.

GRACE: Why not?

LOPEZ: Don`t know.

GRACE: Well, why shouldn`t he give it to Goodwill? Why would he want to entice women to send him their photos, their measurements, exchange X- rated letters with him, in exchange for who we believe his dead wife`s clothing?

LOPEZ: Well, Drew is -- he`s such a jokester, we don`t even know if he is even intending to give anything away. He was just writing a letter to her and making a statement. I don`t see any harm in it.

GRACE: Really?

LOPEZ: No.

GRACE: If he thought his wife had really abandoned him and was out there somewhere, he could fully expect her to walk back through the door one day, he wouldn`t be giving away all of her clothes.

LOPEZ: Well, she`s not going to walk back through the door one day. Her mother did the same thing and she never came back, so she just repeated what her mother did. Apparently, she`s not coming back or she would have came back. I mean, she`s been gone since 2007, so chances of her returning, obviously, at this point, are not very good. So wherever she`s at, she`s staying where she`s at and she doesn`t want anybody to find her.

GRACE: Not even her own mother and father?

LOPEZ: Well, her mother is missing. We forget -- many people forget that fact, that her mother did the same thing. Her mother left the home -- her home with a Bible, walked down the street in their house in Naperville and was never seen again.

GRACE: I find it interesting that you`re saying that because her mother left the home, that she did, too. What is your take on the judge`s ruling that statements made by Stacy Peterson -- excuse me, Kathleen Savio -- that she feared Drew Peterson would kill her will come into evidence?

LOPEZ: Well, I don`t know what`s going to come into evidence because there hasn`t been a final decision on any of that. And those statements may or may not come into evidence. There still has to be...

GRACE: Really? Hold on.

LOPEZ: ... a further hearing on it.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. Isn`t it true that a statement made to Savio`s sister, "Drew is going to kill me. I wouldn`t make it to a divorce settlement and I would never get pension" -- is that coming into evidence?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, there was a prior ruling that that would come into evidence, but that is now being appealed by the prosecution because they want to get more evidence in.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PETERSON: (INAUDIBLE) typical person I am. I`m normally a lot more humorous (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "When things are feeling down for me, I just think of your smile and hold you in the dark, feeling your body against mine."

PETERSON: Watch this!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I want to spend a lot of time with my lips on yours."

PETERSON: This is who I am.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sex with a lot of foreplay. I`m more into pleasing my partner than myself."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: So back to you, attorney Joe Lopez. You`re the lawyer for Drew Peterson. You don`t think there`ll be a problem if the jury hears these letters?

LOPEZ: Well, they`re not going to hear these letters because these have nothing to do with the case that he`s charged with. He is charged...

GRACE: I think they go to his frame of mind.

LOPEZ: Well, they can go to his frame all that you want to think of, but he`s not charged with Stacy Peterson`s death, so they`re not relevant to the Kathleen Savio indictment at all. So they are not coming in in this case. Perhaps if he gets...

GRACE: He is sitting behind bars, awaiting trial in the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio. And where is his head? His head is soliciting women outside of jailhouse cells for sex. That`s where his head is, and giving away her clothing. That doesn`t concern you?

LOPEZ: That has nothing to do with what he`s charged with. First of all...

GRACE: That`s not what I asked you.

LOPEZ: ... there is no murder.

GRACE: I asked if they concern you.

LOPEZ: Well, of course they -- it concerns any lawyer when their client`s statements are made public, whether they`re good statements or bad statements. Most clients don`t want their clients talking to the press or saying anything. So of course, it concerns us. But it`s not coming into evidence. It has nothing to do with what he`s charged with. And if the Will County state`s attorneys think they have enough to charge him with Stacy`s disappearance, then maybe those will become relevant. But right now, they`re not relevant to this case and they are not coming in.

GRACE: Mr. Lopez, when I asked you about him willingly giving away Stacy Peterson`s clothing, as he referred to it, "new or like-new bikinis, sweats, fur coats, her leather coats" to various women, at first you said, Why not give them away to Goodwill? And then you passed it off as being a joke. So which one is it? Is the letter a joke, or is he really trying to give the clothes away?

LOPEZ: Well, you know, he`s a jokester so I don`t know what is in his head.

GRACE: No, I don`t know that he`s a jokester. I don`t know that. I don`t know anything about it.

LOPEZ: Well, we just heard it. I mean, we just -- we just heard somebody repeating that he`s a jokester and he likes to joke around. I don`t see what that has to do with anything. The fact that he`s writing to a...

GRACE: Writing to a what?

LOPEZ: Oh, I`m sorry -- that he`s writing to somebody from prison has nothing to do with his case.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drew was alone when he was stopped. He was stopped by a traffic stop by a uniformed state trooper accompanied by plainclothes officers in the area of Lilycash (ph) and Weber (ph), not far from his home. He cooperated with officers during the traffic stop and was taken into custody without incident.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DREW PETERSON, SUSPECT TO THE MURDER OF HIS EX-WIFE KATHLEEN SAVIO: When things are feeling down for me, I just think of your smile and hold you in the dark, feeling your body against mine and hearing your voice.

But I`m thinking what we should do is like a conjugal visit with Drew. Let`s do that.

I want to spent a lot of time with my lips on yours.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Those comments that were made that they see on tape, they say, you know, this is going to be end of you.

PETERSON: OK. We`ll see.

(LAUGHTER)

PETERSON: I don`t really mean to be arrogant. It`s just I`d like to call it dominance.

I`ve got shoes, purses, new leather coats, new underwear and bras.

I wasn`t going to speak to you.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey there, not my best beauty pics, but I just got out of the pool and my hair was wet.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you -- they`re doing now?

PETERSON: No. No. Have a good day.

DANA GRANDEL, DREW PETERSON`S PEN PAL: I can`t imagine she walked away from everything and hasn`t wanted anything back of her kids`, nothing. It`s hard to say that he might have done it, but, yes, you can`t help but think it. That Stacy didn`t just leave on her own. Of course not.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You think maybe he killed her now?

GRANDEL: Yes.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: That`s an interview from MyFOXChicago.com, with Drew Peterson`s pen pal, Diana Grandel, who after receiving these jailhouse letters from Drew Peterson firmly believes that he killed his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson.

Drew Peterson, around age 44, when he meets 17-year-old Stacy Peterson.

And back to Peterson`s lawyer, Joe Lopez.

So, Joe, you see the effect that these letters had on that woman. But yet you still are sticking to your theory that they prove absolutely nothing?

JOE LOPEZ, ATTORNEY FOR DREW PETERSON: They don`t prove anything. I don`t see what those letters prove.

GRACE: OK. Good.

LOPEZ: I mean, those letters might prove something to all the Drew haters, but they don`t prove anything in a court of law. They mean nothing. Nothing.

GRACE: I`m glad you feel that way.

LOPEZ: Nothing. Zero.

GRACE: Then you should not object when they come into evidence, I guess.

To Ellie Jostad --

LOPEZ: Well, I have to object. I have to object, Nancy. You know I have to object.

GRACE: Well, why? If there`s nothing wrong, why not let them in?

LOPEZ: Well, because they`re not relevant to the case at hand.

GRACE: Really?

LOPEZ: If he get charged with Stacy, maybe they`re relevant. We`re talking about Kathleen Savio falling in a bathtub and hitting her head and dying. Not a murder. An accident.

GRACE: No, she didn`t actually hit her head and die. That`s not exactly what happened. I have the autopsy --

LOPEZ: Well, that`s what the -- yes, that`s what the coroner ruled. That`s what the coroner --

GRACE: -- right here in front of me.

LOPEZ: They had a coroner`s jury.

GRACE: And it says, actually, when the case was reopened --

LOPEZ: Which autopsy are you looking at, though? There`s two of them. Are you looking at the first one, or the one that they paid $50,000 --

GRACE: That it was not an accident --

LOPEZ: That it was not an accident.

GRACE: And that`s --

LOPEZ: It`s an accident. It`s an accident.

GRACE: It`s why your client has been charged with her murder. And in both of the autopsy reports, we learn of multiple bruises, multiple scrapes, multiple injuries on her body. What about that, sir?

LOPEZ: Well, that`s already been presented to the Will County Coroner`s Jury and they found it was an accident. So what about that? You`ll have to ask those jurors. They heard that evidence and that`s the conclusion they reached, that it was an accident.

GRACE: Mr. Lopez --

LOPEZ: It wasn`t until FOX and other people paid to have somebody come in there and make it a murder that it became a murder. Otherwise, there was never a murder. It`s an accident, it was a slip and fall in a bathtub and that`s it.

GRACE: According to one of the most --

LOPEZ: Nothing else.

GRACE: -- renowned medical examiners in the world, Michael Bodden, and I`m quoting from --

LOPEZ: Who was paid. Who was paid.

GRACE: If I may --

LOPEZ: Paid medical examiner.

GRACE: I very kindly allowed you to finish.

LOPEZ: Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry.

GRACE: I just can`t wait for the jury to get a big load of you.

In my opinion, says Bodden, the drowning of Miss Savio in a bathtub with multiple blunt force injuries indicative of a struggle should be classified as a homicide. And as a matter of fact, it`s not just because of his decision, but isn`t it true your client was indicted by a grand jury for murder?

LOPEZ: After they -- after they read that paid-for autopsy report, of course. The grand jury indicted him based on that and all those bogus hearsay statements.

GRACE: Oh, OK. Now wait a minute. Let`s talk about those bogus hearsay statements that you say have not been ruled in. As a matter of fact, many of them have been ruled in. However, that ruling is on --

LOPEZ: No, they have not. They have not. The ruling -- the ruling has not been finalized --

GRACE: -- is on appeal to --

LOPEZ: The judge told us -- no, excuse me.

GRACE: Ellie Jostad says I`m not being allowed to finish my statement. Maybe Mr. Lopez will be kind enough to let you explain the rulings. The rulings that have been made that are now on appeal.

Ellie, what hearsay statements have been allowed in? Be brief, please.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right. Right, Nancy.

According to reports, the statements that are coming in are Kathleen Savio telling her sister that he`s going to kill me, that I won`t make it to the divorce settlement. Savio also allegedly told a classmate that he could kill her and no one would know. He also held her down, according to this classmate, via Savio, choked her and said, why won`t you die?

Also, Stacy allegedly said to her pastor that she saw Drew that night, shortly before Savio`s body was found, with a bag of women`s clothing, wearing dark clothes himself.

Also, Kathleen Savio wrote a letter that was going to come in, according to this judge`s ruling, about how Drew Peterson, when she found out he was having an affair, became violent, struck her.

Also, she describes an order of protection she got, how Drew Peterson broke into her house via the garage, hid, and jumped out when she walked by, those sort of things, Nancy. That`s all coming in according to this past ruling.

GRACE: Now in 2002, a letter of complaint to the assistant state attorney and a hand-written statement to the police department about a 2002 run-in with Peterson, that letter, the judge has ruled it into evidence.

Of course, I know the ruling is on appeal, but that was the ruling, was it not, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Yes, that`s correct, Nancy.

GRACE: Also, there is a judge`s ruling that her statement, "Drew is going to kill me, I won`t make it to a divorce settlement," and he`d said, "I will never get his pension or my own children," she said that to her sister. The judge has ruled that in, has he not, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: Also two statements to her longtime friend, Mary Parks. And this is the dead wife. This is Savio. The one that died in a bone-dry bathtub. States to her longtime friend that Drew said he could kill her and no one would know. That he entered her home, pinned her down by the throat, and asked her, "Why don`t you just die?"

All of this as the divorce was ongoing, correct?

JOSTAD: Correct.

GRACE: That divorce never came to fruition, did it, Ellie Jostad?

JOSTAD: Well, Kathleen Savio was dead by the time the divorce was final. You`re right about that.

GRACE: So, coincidentally, just before the financial division, the division of money, she ends up dead in the bathtub, correct, Ellie?

JOSTAD: That`s correct.

GRACE: I want to go to Aaron Brehove, body language expert, senior instructor of Body Language Institute, author of "Not Body Language." He`s joining out of Dallas, Texas, today.

Aaron, thank you for being with us.

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Always good to be here. Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Aaron, what are your observations in the case so far?

BREHOVE: Well, we look at -- we look at people and we look for incongruencies in how they`re acting. Whether it`s themselves or typically with, what would we expect somebody to be presenting or how we expect them to act.

And nothing Peterson is doing here -- Drew Peterson is doing is really typical of how we`d expect somebody to act and it raised a lot of red flags as to what`s going on here.

GRACE: What do you mean? What is he doing that is not typical?

BREHOVE: Well, his joke -- I mean with these letters that we`re talking about right now. This is not something you`d expect if his wife is missing and he`s in jail right now, but he`s still making these letters, he`s still asking for pictures, asking about STDs, this is very atypical.

You`re not going to expect to see somebody doing this. You expect somebody to be grieving or waiting for his wife to be coming back. This is not what I would want to come out if I was a lawyer that he`s doing these types of things. This is not going to create any empathy for him and it doesn`t create any on my side.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just told you sold your Harley. So your new trial date is August 23rd? Sorry this is so short. I`m trying to move in and have no where to write. Love you. Forever and always, stay strong. Diana.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to do a dating game tomorrow? I`ll do a dating game with you.

JOEL BRODSKY, ATTORNEY FOR DREW PETERSON: Drew, it`s up to you, man.

PETERSON: I don`t know, ask the lawyer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, why not?

BRODSKY: I`ll line up the bachelorettes and then Drew gets to pick from the three girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Sounds good. Only three?

BRODSKY: Well, I think we`re going to probably send a chaperone on the date. Just to be on the safe side.

PETERSON: Oh, come on.

PETERSON: I`m kidding. I`m kidding.

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GRACE: Back to the defense attorney for Drew Peterson, joining us tonight. Joe Lopez.

Joe, again, thank you for being with us. Why is your client calling - -

LOPEZ: You`re welcome.

GRACE: -- from behind jailhouse walls into radio stations, about dating games?

LOPEZ: Well, that was before I got involved in the case.

GRACE: Don`t care.

LOPEZ: That was something that him and -- him and Mr. Brodsky got involved in. They did it. It was obvious that at the time that they did it that maybe it wasn`t that well thought out of a plan, but they did it, and the judge stopped it, eventually, and it didn`t happen again. And I`m not sure why it happened --

GRACE: Why do you say it was not that well thought of a plan?

LOPEZ: Well, I mean, anytime you engage your client in a conversation like you mentioned earlier about the letter, Nancy, anytime a client says anything, if he`s appearing on this show or any other show, they can be construed as some type of admissions.

And again, anything a client says that`s taped or whether it`s live, and a prosecutor hears it, they can attempt to use it at anytime. Because you can always use a defendant`s statement in your case as a prosecutor as you well know. What the difference is again with the letter that was written to this girl is, it doesn`t concern the case regarding Savio.

GRACE: Come on. Come on. Come on. Joe, Joe, Joe.

LOPEZ: Yes, go ahead.

GRACE: The reality is that relevancy has not even determined enough of an objection to hold a point on appeal. So you`ve got to come up with something better than it`s irrelevant to have a valid appealable ground. Come on, don`t -- don`t try to pull the wool over on my eyes, because I know the law. So if your best argument is, it`s irrelevant, you better go back and hit the books again.

We are taking your calls. To Tony in North Carolina. Hi, Tony.

LOPEZ: OK.

TONY, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Two-part question. One for Joe.

Joe, if these clothes are supposedly up for sale or anything, are you going to be the lawyer there at the courthouse having a yard sale so the money can go into Drew`s canteen fund?

And my other question is for you, Nancy -- and my other question is for you, Nancy.

GRACE: OK.

TONY: Doesn`t the jail monitor every piece of mail that Drew sends out and receives and puts a red mark or a black mark on the piece of paper where it is being censors where Joe -- I mean, Drew cannot read it or --

GRACE: You know what, Tony.

TONY: Yes.

GRACE: You are absolutely right. That`s what I was asking all day long today. Isn`t the jailhouse monitoring these letters? You know, I don`t know if they read them and then let them go on as normal, but that`s a question that we have sent to the jailhouse and we are waiting for an answer.

Out to Joe Navarro, former FBI profiler, author of "What Everybody is Saying."

Weigh in, Joe.

JOE NAVARRO, FORMER FBI PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING": Well, you know, Drew Peterson will be done in by his behavior, by his history, by his background.

I can tell you this, the jury is going the hate him. Jurors hate arrogance, jurors hate narcissism, and he is not going to be able to undo his personality, which is obvious that he only cares about himself and he is -- he still remains a predator.

GRACE: Well, he cares about himself and going to bed with women. He cares about himself and his sex drive. I mean, come on. I`m going to follow up on what Navarro just said.

CW -- CW Jensen, retired Portland Police captain, joining us. Also, Joe Navarro, former profile, author of "What Everybody is Saying", out of Tampa.

CW, what he is saying, I think, will come in front of the jury, and it`s going to have a terrible effect on them.

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: As an investigator, I cared about one thing. That a suspect or defendant would just keep talking. If they remained silent, that was bad news for me. I think this is good for the prosecution. It`s good for the case. I think that one of the good things about this show, about it being in the "National Enquirer," is it may get other women to come forward and say, hey, these are the things that he said to me, these are the letters he gave to me.

And I`ll tell you one thing about old Drew. The only lips he`ll have his lips on are some guy name Butch and that they`ll be in a cot, and not a bed.

GRACE: Well put.

I want to go back to Tony in North Carolina. I just got the jail policy in my hand. All incoming/outgoing mail checked, everything opened, checked for contraband. Letters are read and looked at for key words like escape. Anything of a sexual nature, they say. Anything that throws a red flag can be taken away. Anybody can read the inmates` mail.

Out to the lines. Debbie in Iowa. Hi, Debbie.

DEBBIE, CALLER FROM IOWA: Hi, Nancy. I just want to tell you, first of all, I love you to death.

GRACE: Thank you.

DEBBIE: Second of all, I just have a comment. Drew Peterson makes my skin crawl. I don`t know how any of these beautiful women ever got taken in by his sleaziness. He`s just so gross and creepy. I just don`t understand the attraction.

GRACE: I don`t understand it either, but you got to remember, his last wife, his fourth wife, was only 17 years old at the time he met her.

Very quickly, I`m switching gears. I want to tell you about a teen girl who allegedly shoots her mother because the mother disagrees with her dating a 17-year-old boy. Shoots her as she`s watching TV on the sofa. Then invites the boyfriend over, they have sex while the mom is sitting there dead on the sofa.

To Michael Board, WOAI, joining us out of San Antonio.

Michael, what happened?

MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO: Yes. This is a 15-year-old girl who apparently got in a fight with her mother. This happened last Wednesday. She stormed out of the room, went into her mom`s closet -- the mom is a recruiter for the United States Army. She`s a sergeant in the United States Army. She`s a recruiter.

Went into her mom`s closet, got out her 9 millimeter pistol, and from what police are telling us, she allegedly went back into the room, put that pistol up to her mom`s head and reportedly just pulled the trigger, killing her mom right there on the couch. She didn`t even know it was coming, Nancy.

And then it only gets creepy. After this, instead of freaking out or doing the right thing and calling police, and turning yourself in, this girl calls over -- this 15-year-old girl calls over her 17-year-old boyfriend and the pair had sex in the bedroom while her mom was dead on the couch.

GRACE: To Kristen Morales -- what can you tell us, Kristen?

KRISTEN MORALES, REPORTER, BRASELTON NEWS: The girl was arrested on Friday and charged with the murder and right now she`s in Gwinnett County, waiting to figure out if they`re going to be trying her as an adult or not.

GRACE: And Kristen Morales joining us from the "Braselton News." What`s the likelihood she`ll be treated as an adult?

MORALES: Well, this was a DA -- isn`t coming to any conclusions. He is a little concerned about the timeline. He`s not sure about all the incidents that have led up to the -- what happened to the alleged shooting. And so he`s not ready to rush to say whether or not she`s going to be tried as an adult right now.

GRACE: And to deputy medical examiner, Dr. Howard Oliver, how can you tell she didn`t know it was coming? Can we tell that she was sitting on the sofa watching TV when she was murdered?

HOWARD OLIVER, FMR. DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: They probably judged that by the position she was sitting in. Like you say, she was probably sitting there watching TV, plus she more than likely had no defensive wounds on her.

And you can also tell by the wound pattern how far away the girl was when she shot the mother. If she had the gun up against her head or really close to her head there`d be a large burn pattern which would also indicate that the mother didn`t see her and move away from the weapon.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Do we know this lady?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know them personally, no. I was trying to help her daughter earlier start her car. And they knew I was home so they came and got me.

Were you guys home today, this morning? She was here. You didn`t see that? You thought she was sleeping or what? You just thought she was sleeping?

They said she`s cold. They touched her. I thought maybe it looked like maybe she had a -- my mother had a cerebral hemorrhage and she bled out a little bit.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Jackson 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Got an emergency. A woman passed out on her sofa. Looks like she bled out on her head.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: What`s the address?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 1753 Sahale Falls Drive in the falls of Brownsville.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Sahale Falls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sahale Falls. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Now what, is she awake?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. She looks like she`s -- she`s just passed out like she passed out on the sofa. But instead I haven`t touched anything. They said she`s cold. But she`s got blood underneath her and it looks like it`s congealed on the edges like it`s been there a while.

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GRACE: Joe Lawless, Peter Odom.

What about it, Peter Odom, will she be treated as an adult? Doesn`t that kind of bother you?

I can`t see Odom or Lawless. There they are.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes.

GRACE: Does it bother you even as a defense attorney that her mother`s dead body is still -- was still sitting propped up on the sofa and she invites the boyfriend over to have sex?

ODOM: I mean it`s disturbing if those turned out to be the facts. I mean it`s very preliminary at this point. It`s very easy to try -- a trial as an adult under Georgia law, in fact there`s a presumption that for a crime like this if they in fact charge first-degree murder that she will be charged as an adult.

GRACE: OK. So it`s disturbing. That`s all you can say.

What about it, Lawless? That`s going to skive out a jury no end.

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT": Murder is disturbing generally, the fact that the mother is dead. Absolutely.

GRACE: Whoa, no, it`s not just murder. She shoots her own mother as she`s watching TV, sneaks up on her and then has sex with the boyfriend right beside the mother`s dead body.

LAWLESS: Nancy, let me ask you a question, though. What does that say to you about her possible state of mind? Is that a normal state of mind?

GRACE: That she is mean. That she is an evil thing that needs to go to jail.

LAWLESS: Well --

GRACE: Before she does it again.

LAWLESS: Or that she`s emotionally or psychologically disturbed. I agree with Peter, I think it`s too early to tell what`s going on with this child.

GRACE: You know, I only hope they argue insanity.

Let`s stop and remember Army Corporal Shawn Creighton, 21, Windsor, North Carolina, killed Iraq. Awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Global War On Terrorism Service medal. Nominated for Alaska`s Medal of Honor. An air field in Iraq named in his honor.

Loved paint ball, video games, friends and family were his life. Leaves behind mother, Donna, stepfather Herald. Brother, Michael. Sisters Melinda and Nancy.

Shawn Creighton, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you.

And a very special birthday. Happy birthday to our number one fan, a Navy veteran who served in the world war, gave up a college basketball scholarship to serve our country. Even lied about his age to join the Navy. Ending up on the other side of the world at just 17.

A railroad man for over 40 years. He and his wife, my mother, put us all through college, put braces on our teeth, took us through Sunday school, and he taught me how to dance.

Happy birthday, Daddy.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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