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Piers Morgan Live
Interview With Sharon, Kelly Osbourne
Aired April 18, 2011 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Tonight, a mother and daughter whose relationship isn't exactly rated PG.
KELLY OSBOURNE, SHARON OSBOURNE'S DAUGHTER: What on earth are you talking about, Piers?
SHARON OSBOURNE, WIFE OF ROCK STAR OZZY OSBOURNE: How (EXPLETIVE DELETED) dare you?
K. OSBOURNE: Mother? We're ladies.
MORGAN: Sharon and Kelly Osbourne on fame, family, fashion and fun.
K. OSBOURNE: Mom, you're not wearing my clothes, are you?
S. OSBOURNE: No. None of this. It's all mine.
K. OSBOURNE: OK. Good.
MORGAN: And why they're not going to the royal wedding.
What do they think of Charlie Sheen, Miley Cyrus and that reality show that put their family into the spotlight.
Sharon and Kelly Osbourne, a no-hold barred hour. This is PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.
Actually this is like some terrible nightmare like I'm on some drug trip or something. Two heads have popped up in my frame here.
S. OSBOURNE: Double trouble, right?
(LAUGHTER)
MORGAN: You are the best Mini Me's in Hollywood. Aren't you? I mean seriously. Don't you think? It's like Mini Me.
K. OSBOURNE: Yes, I am just like my mom but I'm also a lot like my dad.
MORGAN: You are like your dad in character. I think to look at it's really uncanny.
S. OSBOURNE: It's funny sometimes. MORGAN: I mean take away your lively beehive today, but I mean, actually facially and size and the way you are and everything. It's extraordinary similarity, isn't it?
S. OSBOURNE: It is, isn't it?
MORGAN: How do you feel Sharon when you look at -- when you look at Kelly blossoming in the way she has? How do you feel? Did you see a little you sprouting here?
S. OSBOURNE: Her personality, yes. She was always, always a very outgoing child and always funny and it's --
K. OSBOURNE: Are you calling yourself a comedian, Mother?
(LAUGHTER)
S. OSBOURNE: And it's just great to see that -- what she is today because she's a lady.
K. OSBOURNE: Not really.
MORGAN: Not really, are you? You're like your mother. You're sort of demure on the outside.
K. OSBOURNE: Excuse me, my mother is a lady.
MORGAN: Well, she's a lady on the outside. And yet we both know that a little bit of cage rattling, anything can happen.
K. OSBOURNE: That's true.
MORGAN: And you're the same, aren't you? All you Osbournes have got that slight valve of anything can happen about you.
S. OSBOURNE: Explosive.
MORGAN: Yes.
S. OSBOURNE: Explosive personalities, yes.
K. OSBOURNE: Not necessarily in a bad way. It's a good thing, I think. Because we stand up for what we believe in.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. I think -- we're not people pleasers.
K. OSBOURNE: No.
S. OSBOURNE: Or brown noses. No.
MORGAN: You're definitely not that. You're straight talkers. You're very -- I would say you're very independent minded, the Osbournes. You're unique characters.
K. OSBOURNE: That's something -- MORGAN: But you then came through from that show you did, wasn't it? You know I try to describe you to people. They said, well, whatever you see on TV with Sharon and Kelly and the others, underpinning it all, underpinning all the kind of caricature stuff that you have on the telly, actually you're very dedicated, determined family people, aren't you?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes. And that --
MORGAN: That's what underpins it all.
K. OSBOURNE: And I think that that's what allows us to be the way that we are because you can be crazy and you go out and have fun and live life the way that you want to live it as long as you remember what's important to you. And to us the most important thing in our lives is our family. And I know that that sounds really cheesy but it's true.
MORGAN: Well, it also sounds like a lioness. And you're like --
K. OSBOURNE: Well, that's you.
MORGAN: I do think that. I do think that.
S. OSBOURNE: Lioness.
MORGAN: And she'll fight like tooth and nail for her family.
S. OSBOURNE: And friends.
MORGAN: And friends.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: I see it in you and your behavior are the same.
K. OSBOURNE: I know. I am --
MORGAN: You're lovely, sweet and demure, but I wouldn't cross you.
K. OSBOURNE: I don't want to, like, I'm a bulldog or anything. But I do get that from my mom. And I have this thing ever since I was a kid, like, if I don't like someone, I just don't like them. When I was a baby certain people would walk into the room and I would just start hysterically crying until they left.
MORGAN: Really?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes.
S. OSBOURNE: I don't know. I think it's a thing of just being who you are and not taking any crap from people. You stand up for what you believe in. And you stand up for your family and yourself and that's it.
MORGAN: Is it particularly important in somewhere like America and Hollywood in particular to be tough?
S. OSBOURNE: God, you have to be.
K. OSBOURNE: Well, it's one of two things. This is something that my mom taught me when we're growing up in the industry and I don't know how to word this, but you're either a slut or a bitch, and I would rather be a bitch.
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: And that's the truth.
MORGAN: And there's speaks mother and daughter.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. But it's like last night we're out at this restaurant. And it's full of every superstar you can think of. And this one certain superstar -- a couple of superstars sat at a table next to mine, the one I always sat with.
K. OSBOURNE: Superstar?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. And they moved tables because we were too loud and disgusting.
MORGAN: That wasn't the restaurant that Sean Penn and Scarlet Johansson were in, was it, by any chance?
S. OSBOURNE: You're such an ass.
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: You're such an ass.
MORGAN: I can't blame them. I'd move if you came in and sat next to me.
(CROSSTALK)
S. OSBOURNE: They were looking at us, like, please. And I'm like, shut up. Get a sense of humor.
MORGAN: There is a sense of humor, Sharon. There's the reality of having dinner with you. Because I then had dinner with you later on. And it was -- I can only describe the noise level as being close to volcanic post-eruption.
S. OSBOURNE: Was it that loud?
MORGAN: It was that loud. Yes.
K. OSBOURNE: We've both got big mouths.
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: But the one thing I will say about me and my mother is that when we -- we are wrong, we admit it. And we just -- S. OSBOURNE: Own it.
K. OSBOURNE: We own it. Yes, I was wrong. And that's something that my mother has always taught us. Don't fight a losing battle. If you're wrong, just be wrong.
MORGAN: Now talking of fighting losing battles, have either of you been invited to the royal wedding?
S. OSBOURNE: Get out of here.
(CROSSTALK)
S. OSBOURNE: You know we haven't.
K. OSBOURNE: Why would we want to go anyway? We don't know them.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: All Brits want to go to the royal wedding, don't they?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
K. OSBOURNE: I'd rather get food, sit at home and watch it on TV. It's more exciting.
MORGAN: Wouldn't you like to go?
S. OSBOURNE: No. I'd like to go to the piss-up afterwards.
(LAUGHTER)
S. OSBOURNE: I'd like to do that. But not sit there at the wedding.
MORGAN: Yes, but have you met the Prince William?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. I have. Yes.
MORGAN: What did you think of him?
S. OSBOURNE: He's a lovely young -- a lovely, lovely young guy. He really is.
MORGAN: Have you been out with him?
K. OSBOURNE: Have I been out with him?
MORGAN: Yes. Clubbing and stuff.
K. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: No? K. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: You really occupy the same kind of establishments.
K. OSBOURNE: I've been out with Beatrice and Eugenie before. And they're --
MORGAN: They're nice girls.
K. OSBOURNE: They're so much fun and they're really grounded, smart girls. OK? I really enjoy it when we've hung out before.
MORGAN: When you see pressure, Kelly, of the young royals, can you relate to that given that you came in through a sort of rock star royalty yourself? Is it a particular pressure that only the kids of very famous people understand?
K. OSBOURNE: That's a completely different level I can't even compare myself on because I don't have an entire country looking at me. I just have, you know -- it's a different level. But --
S. OSBOURNE: But it is every move they make. Everything they say, it's critiqued, it's commented on. They're not allowed to make their mistakes privately and grow up privately.
MORGAN: You can feel, I can feel, is it getting like Charles and Diana, the wedding, isn't it? It's getting to that level where America is going completely crazy. When that happens, you know, these kids -- and they are kids. They're in their mid-20s. Their live will never quite be the same again, even by the standards William has had before, it's going to stratospheric for them. For her who just come in to this family, just like Diana, huge pressure, isn't it?
S. OSBOURNE: Amazing to have, you know, from now on her life will never be the same again ever in good and bad. You know? It's a huge responsibility that they take on.
MORGAN: You know Fergie well, don't you?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, I do.
MORGAN: Sarah, Duchess of York. Because I do as well and I've always had a soft spot for her like you have.
K. OSBOURNE: I really like her.
MORGAN: But again, you know, she's somebody who -- again he'd been in the wars recently and the papers and stuff, but I just can't imagine what it was like for her to come in and marry a prince in the British royal family with the kind of intolerable strain that comes down on these people. None of them seem quite the same again. Fergie never -- has never seemed the same girl as she was before.
S. OSBOURNE: She's bruised. She's terribly, terribly bruised from that whole experience as a woman. You know you look at her and she's bruised and hurt. You can see it in her eyes. You know? She used to be -- do you remember she used to giggling all the time and doing silly things.
MORGAN: She was really carefree.
S. OSBOURNE: She was. She was just -- you know, there was no airs and graces about her. And you could always see her having fun with Diana. And they were young girls. And --
MORGAN: Didn't you and Fergie do a weird thing in a restroom -- in a London restaurant one night?
K. OSBOURNE: To (INAUDIBLE).
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, we did.
MORGAN: Did you go down and pretend to be restroom attendants?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, we were showing people into the ladies room. Would you like a towel, Madame?
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: It was very funny.
MORGAN: But she is fun like that. But I do -- I know what she means. She looks to me bruised. And Diana, I knew quite well before she died and it's the same thing. It's just -- I hope Kate Middleton can deal with it because it's going to be a phenomenal thing for her to have to try and cope with, isn't it?
K. OSBOURNE: I have a question.
MORGAN: Go on.
K. OSBOURNE: Why are we talking about this?
S. OSBOURNE: No. Are you going to the wedding?
MORGAN: No. That's why I was asking you --
(LAUGHTER)
MORGAN: I'll tell you why we're talking about it, because --
S. OSBOURNE: Plus one.
MORGAN: I think it would just be odd on a show like this when there's so much excitement in this country in America right now with the royal wedding for three British people to not at least pretend to be excited by it. But I actually feel Americans are more excited than the British.
S. OSBOURNE: No, do you know when I --
K. OSBOURNE: It's very exciting. But I would rather watch it on TV.
S. OSBOURNE: But, also too, I love what it does for the country.
K. OSBOURNE: Yes.
S. OSBOURNE: Because the country gets excited and everybody is happy and joyous and it's a public holiday, all of the kids are going to be home watching it. And it's great for the country. That's what I love.
K. OSBOURNE: And you know, our family we are definitely royalists. We --
MORGAN: You are? You support them?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes.
S. OSBOURNE: Definitely. Definitely.
MORGAN: I want to play a little clip from the show that exploded you as a family onto the American consciousness.
K. OSBOURNE: I'm dying to see what you're going to play now.
S. OSBOURNE: Go on.
MORGAN: Let's take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
S. OSBOURNE: You think you know everything --
K. OSBOURNE: Because you don't listen to me, mom. You don't listen to me.
S. OSBOURNE: I can't take it.
K. OSBOURNE: You know, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you, mom. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you. And you know maybe I will get another mom because you don't listen to me.
S. OSBOURNE: I cannot do that. It drives me crazy. Go. Just go, Kelly.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: I can see your reaction there. Very interesting. I mean you can barely look at that.
K. OSBOURNE: I can't. I can't watch it.
MORGAN: Why?
K. OSBOURNE: Because my mom has cancer and I'm clearly on drugs and it's horrible. I don't like looking at that. I don't like looking at myself like that. I don't think that that's how I used to be. That I was even capable of being that person.
MORGAN: And you were on drugs?
K. OSBOURNE: For sure. I can tell by my eyes. Yes, I don't like watching that at all.
MORGAN: What do you feel, Sharon, when you see it? You know unlike Kelly obviously you took the decision really to put the family into that show. And in many ways it's been brilliant, but I know that Ozzy has definitely always had concerns about whether it was ever a good idea.
S. OSBOURNE: I honestly think that the good outweighed the bad. It really did. And it gave us --
K. OSBOURNE: And I -- I honestly think that I would have gone down that path any way.
S. OSBOURNE: Anyway.
K. OSBOURNE: Whether the TV show was on or not. I was incapable of living life on life's terms. But it's just as hard for me to watch that and be reminded of how tough that time really was and god, mom, you looked so sick. I got -- it' so -- and literally like my eyes just want to fill up with tears. And I get this huge lump in my throat. And I hate watching it.
MORGAN: Do you feel the same way?
S. OSBOURNE: You know what?
K. OSBOURNE: She's thinking, going, I was so skinny.
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: That's what she's thinking.
(CROSSTALK)
S. OSBOURNE: Just a bit of cancer this time. And it was a great ride for three years. We had the most unbelievable life experiences and I wouldn't take -- I wouldn't want that to have not happened.
K. OSBOURNE: I don't think I'd be the person I am today if it hadn't happened the way that it. Now that doesn't mean to say that I don't like it.
MORGAN: You as a mother, if you had your time again, forget the fame, the fortune that came off the show, which is obviously all the successful stuff, does any part of you look back and think, I wonder if my kids would have not gone through -- I mean Kelly, I think she would have done. But it would have been easy for them not to have dealt with all that crap that came into their lives without exposure of national television?
S. OSBOURNE: Of course. I mean, you know, the first thing you do is you have the guilt as a parent. You know, what did I do wrong? Where did I let them down? And I think that they would have tried drugs as most kids do, but I think they would have tried it later on and not so young.
K. OSBOURNE: No. That's not true. I had already tried drugs before we started filming that show.
S. OSBOURNE: How dare you say that.
(LAUGHTER)
K. OSBOURNE: It is true. I'm not going to lie about it. It's true.
MORGAN: Let's take a short break. When we come back, I want to talk about the one man I think you would both agree is a good one. Ozzy.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MORGAN: My guest, Sharon and Kelly Osbourne. I want to play you a clip of Ozzy. The man in your lives. The pivotal figure, I'd say, in the Osbourne family. This again is from the show. And it also relates back to what we touched on earlier about Sharon being very sick during the filming of the show and the impact that had on your lives.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OZZIE OSBOURNE: When you got a broken heart, because someone that you love got sick. You can't pretend not to have a broken heart.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
MORGAN: I mean he's a great man, Ozzy. One of the funniest people I know. And one of the legendary rockers obviously. But when you made the TV show, you could see that Ozzy was clowning along with the stuff. When you got sick, this was the worst thing that had ever happened to him.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, he didn't -- he didn't do well with it. You know, everybody deals with cancer differently obviously. But Ozzy didn't do well with it. He couldn't cope at all with the thought of something bad happening at the end of the day. He just couldn't cope.
K. OSBOURNE: He fell apart. It was just -- it was weird how everyone took a different role.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
K. OSBOURNE: Jack couldn't deal. He couldn't go to the hospital. But was always very supportive and always made sure that he left some kind of note for my mom.
MORGAN: Was it Kelly that stepped up?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. Kelly, every step of the way she was there. MORGAN: Is that when you two really bonded, do you think, in that period?
S. OSBOURNE: No, we were already close. It was already -- it was just --
MORGAN: That kind of event must make it deeper, isn't it?
K. OSBOURNE: Are you trying to make me cry?
MORGAN: No. Of course not. No.
S. OSBOURNE: Of course it does. Of course, because you're at your most vulnerable. And you know, you really need somebody and just -- yes, of course it does. It makes you much stronger.
K. OSBOURNE: I moved into the hospital with her. I lived there. I had my own parking space. I turned down my first movie, everything, just because I didn't know what was going to happen. And my mom wasn't fully honest about everything that was going on because she wanted to protect us from it.
MORGAN: Did you ever think you were going to die, Sharon?
S. OSBOURNE: At one point, yes, I did. I went through a terrible time with the chemo as most people do. But they -- you know, at first they don't know about how much of the doses to give you and they were experimenting on the doses and I got really, really bad at one point, and I had to have a blood transfusion and, you know, have the old ticker started again and all of that, and it was really --
K. OSBOURNE: It was horrible.
MORGAN: When you reach that kind of abyss in your life, what's the reality about what goes through your mind?
S. OSBOURNE: Well, the one thing that you don't get is, as they're giving you a blood transfusion, I wish I had spent more time at work. That doesn't happen. It's -- you know, you go back and if only I could do it again, I would do this differently, that differently.
But I have to tell you that at the time that it was all going on, it's -- you'd think that you'd be panicked but you're not. I was all terribly, terribly calm. And it was like --
K. OSBOURNE: That's because you needed a blood transfusion.
(CROSSTALK)
K. OSBOURNE: You cannot freak out. I was in the room when it was all happening.
MORGAN: What were you thinking?
K. OSBOURNE: Well, basically I just was looking at my mom and I realized that she wasn't really responsive. And I asked the nurse to check her blood pressure. And she goes, I just checked it. She's fine. And I said, no. And I screamed at her and made her go back in and check my mom's blood pressure. And then all of a sudden she hit this bottom on the wall and they didn't even have time to take her down. They did it in the room.
S. OSBOURNE: But it's -- it's some --
MORGAN: Terrifying for you.
K. OSBOURNE: Yes. But I've been through it with both my parents now.
MORGAN: Say, I mean, Sharon, you came through this awful time but then you both had to go through the horror of Ozzy and this fall off a quad bike which nearly killed him.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes. Well, it -- he went down this pothole and the bike bounced off his chest.
MORGAN: And a huge thing.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: When that happens, it's potentially fatal blow, isn't it?
K. OSBOURNE: It was one of the craziest things that I've ever seen in my life. I mean we have the footage from it. And MTV gave it to us. And no one has ever seen it but us.
MORGAN: And what was it like?
S. OSBOURNE: It's very weird what happens because when you're badly injured, you get this adrenaline rush. And suddenly --
K. OSBOURNE: He had a broken neck, a broken collar bones. All of his ribs were fractured, a punctured lung and he --
S. OSBOURNE: A bruised heart.
K. OSBOURNE: A bruised heart and he had -- the collarbone has cut into his main artery and they thought he was going to lose his arm. And he managed to stand up, take three steps, ask for help and then he flat lined and they resuscitated him right away.
And then they had to figure out, because he was in the middle of a field. He couldn't get back to the house.
MORGAN: This is back in England, isn't it?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
K. OSBOURNE: Back home. The countryside in Buckinghamshire. And I was actually promoting a single that me and my dad released together in England and I got a phone call and then I got police escorted to the hospital. And I had to sign this paper that basically said, do whatever you can to, but it's OK if my dad dies.
And I just sat there, like, oh, my god. And they took me in to see him. And he was fine. And he was talking to me. And he was like, push the painkiller button, push the button, and I was like, (INAUDIBLE). And then all of a sudden, all this brown bubble came out of his mouth and I heard a beeping noise and then two men dragged me out of the intensive care unit and we didn't see him for 14 days.
S. OSBOURNE: But you know what it does? These are like life changing experiences but you gain so much knowledge from it all.
MORGAN: We're going to take another short break. When we come back, we're going to talk about people who perhaps are not quite so blessed right now, who've been through turmoil that you would maybe have a good view on.
People like Charlie Sheen and Miley Cyrus. And see what your take is on the young showbiz crowd and what's going on.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MORGAN: That was Kelly Osbourne on ABC's "Dancing with the Stars."
I mean, Kelly, you were pretty sensational in that, weren't you? That was a -- that was a real kind of rebranding.
K. OSBOURNE: It was. And I never expected to get out of it what I actually got and how much it changed me. And it wasn't -- it wasn't actually like just the dancing. It was like finding the confidence to stand in front of a mirror all day and watch myself dance which I can't.
I cringe when I watch myself on TV. I can't watch it. But to do that for eight hours a day and have to look at yourself sweating in a great big mirror it was like really hard to even get over that. But then to actually do something that made me feel so vulnerable every single week but just keep pushing and keep trying and learning something new every single day, I got more than I could have ever dreamed of.
MORGAN: Well, I remember talking to Sharon, I was working with her at the time that you were this and when you were filming it. And I said, how's Kelly going to go on? She said, the thing about Kelly, one, she can dance, and secondly, she's incredibly determined.
And she saw it -- I think you saw her, Sharon, as a chance for you to completely reinvent yourself. And certainly physically I think in terms of you --
K. OSBOURNE: He didn't --
MORGAN: All the years of hating the way you looked and all that kind of stuff, and suddenly we saw -- I saw her as a kind of blossoming of the swan. There you were. And suddenly it was glamour puss Kelly, you know? K. OSBOURNE: And definitely this show changed me in so many ways. And it gave me confidence that I never had in myself before.
S. OSBOURNE: She went in a girl and came out a woman.
MORGAN: Yes. That's what --
S. OSBOURNE: That whole process. She did.
MORGAN: It's true. It's true.
S. OSBOURNE: And I mean what a great show. You go on this show and you have the best dancers in the world and they teach you how to dance. It's something that she (INAUDIBLE) forever.
K. OSBOURNE: Well, I had an unbelievable partner, (INAUDIBLE). His dedication in me and forcing me to keep going when there was so many times where I just couldn't do the simplest thing and he kept making me want to give up. And I wouldn't want to do it. And he kept, you know, giving me pep talks and teaching me and breaking things down to make things easier and he got me eating healthy, he got me working out. He played a huge part.
MORGAN: But you both battled weight problems. You've talked about this very openly to your great credit. You're both in great nick (ph) now, obviously. What has been really bad for you? What is it like for a woman in the public eye in particular to look in the mirror and hate what she sees.
K. OSBOURNE: It's because you already see it. I am not -- I'm a bit of a realist when it comes to like, when I look in the mirror I see what other people see as well. I'm not blind to it. So when you then have everyone else in the world reaffirming you of the fact that you gained weight, and -- right now this is all people say to me. It's like, when this things -- she can lose all the weight she wants, but she'll always have a big jaw. I can't bloody change that. I can't change it. So why do you keep saying it? It's like, I'm aware that I have quite a big jaw and --
MORGAN: I like your jaw. It's your jaw.
S. OSBOURNE: But it's -- that's what makes you unique.
MORGAN: I like imperfections in women.
S. OSBOURNE: Of course.
(CROSSTALK)
MORGAN: Specially at their legs. No, I just don't like perfect looking women. Never have them.
S. OSBOURNE: They're boring.
MORGAN: I like imperfections. Your jaw is particularly appealing. K. OSBOURNE: Thank you.
(LAUGHTER)
S. OSBOURNE: It's weird because again if you're not known for your beauty, you don't make your living out of the way you look. It's like what do you care how big my ass is today? What do you care? That's not how I earn my living.
MORGAN: But if you're honest, when you look at magazines of other women with big asses on the beaches, I mean do you have a little laugh to yourself?
S. OSBOURNE: No.
K. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: You don't enjoy the gossip?
S. OSBOURNE: No, I don't.
K. OSBOURNE: I always think it's really mean. It's like, come on, we're human. We're not perfect. You don't have to point out somebody's cellulite. I'm sure they're aware of it as well.
MORGAN: But it's human nature. Especially if you're not famous. And you know, you haven't gotten any money, you don't fast cars. You don't have nice houses and you know, you see a lot of celebrities not looking great on the beach. Is it -- I can see why --
K. OSBOURNE: I can see the appeal in that.
MORGAN: -- people get a vicarious appeal out of them.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, but the --
MORGAN: Are your lives not perfect, see there?
K. OSBOURNE: No one's is.
S. OSBOURNE: No one's is. It's like I look at it, especially with those arrows pointing to something on somebody -- you go, oh God, that's just like me. I just relate to it. And then it does make you feel better because you know that you're not on your own. There is somebody else.
MORGAN: You have made no secret of deploying the surgeons skillful scalpel, Sharon. How much of what I'm looking at is aux natural and how much has been crafted?
S. OSBOURNE: You know, Piers. I'm like a patchwork quilt.
MORGAN: Money well spent. I have seen horror stories in L.A., but --
S. OSBOURNE: Shut up, Kelly. MORGAN: There we are. There is before and after.
K. OSBOURNE: You are such an ass. I can't believe you just said that.
MORGAN: When you see that, what do you think, the changing face of Sharon Osbourne?
S. OSBOURNE: It was worth the money and made me feel good as a woman. And I wanted to feel a certain way for my husband and for my kids. I can remember when they were little the first school gateway that you went to. And there was this mother that came every morning with her kids. And she came in tennis outfit every morning, with a perfect tan, blond hair, makeup on.
I would be in the car --
K. OSBOURNE: You had pajamas on.
S. OSBOURNE: -- in dressing gown, with slippers on. And Kelly used to say, mom, do you think you could just put on some lipstick.
K. OSBOURNE: It wasn't me that said that. It was Amy.
MORGAN: I'm like, oh, shut up. I'm not doing that. I would see these mothers and I'm like, I can't do that.
K. OSBOURNE: The thing for me is I look at both these pictures and I see my mom the exact same way. I have always thought my mom was beautiful, even before.
I don't see -- I know you've had it, but I don't see it.
MORGAN: You both have become more glamorous as you've gotten older, haven't you?
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MORGAN: Other people don't. Other people become less glamorous. They get to Sharon's age and they lose it. You are have a very glamorous woman for your age, aren't you?
S. OSBOURNE: I think I am. I like to be. I do. I get great enjoyment out of it.
MORGAN: Out of being glamorous?
S. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: I agree. I think it's important. It's like the way Hollywood used to be.
K. OSBOURNE: It's nice to take pride in the way you look. And we're lucky because we can do that. Not everybody can afford that kind of luxury. But we -- it's fun. It's one of the best parts about being a girl. MORGAN: The other thing about being you, as a girl, Kelly, is that you're now a big fashion expert. So we thought after the break we would show you some of your mother's creations that she has worn and get you to critique them.
K. OSBOURNE: OK.
S. OSBOURNE: Piers.
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S. OSBOURNE: Why is it that in a high percentage of women when they get older that they (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?
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MORGAN: Even you looked shocked by your behavior there, Sharon.
K. OSBOURNE: What did you say?
MORGAN: That's you on your show, the CBS show "The Talk." To me, it's a perfect show for you. That's all you love doing.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, I'm a good old gossip about the world. I love it.
MORGAN: You enjoy it.
S. OSBOURNE: Very much. I am lucky that I work with great women. It's just a fun thing to do. It's like I don't feel I go to work. I just go and talk to the girls and go home.
MORGAN: What do you make of what's going on at the moment in Hollywood with -- there's two interesting things I thought for you guys to talk about. One, the Charlie Sheen thing, which is ongoing. And the second thing is what Billy Ray Cyrus said about Miley Cyrus, that he wished as a parent he had never let her go down the route she's gone down, in terms of fame and stuff.
K. OSBOURNE: I think that's a really inappropriate thing for someone to say, especially when what they did together gave that person their career back. And it's not fair to do that to your own child.
MORGAN: Really?
K. OSBOURNE: It's really inappropriate thing to say.
S. OSBOURNE: I do too. I don't think he should have done that in print. He may think it. It might be, you know --
K. OSBOURNE: He might have meant it in a different way. But in black and white, it seems so just harsh, especially because I love Miley. She's a dear friend of mine. I know how hard she works. She works so hard. I just think that that discredits everything she's done in her life, not just for herself, but her whole family. It's disrespectful.
MORGAN: She's built an incredible career for herself. She's very young.
S. OSBOURNE: She's very talented.
K. OSBOURNE: And him.
S. OSBOURNE: Yes, she made him relevant again.
MORGAN: What do you make of Charlie Sheen?
K. OSBOURNE: I think it's sad.
S. OSBOURNE: You know, I said this to you before. I feel worse for his family. He's a brother. He's a son. He's a husband. He's a father. And he might think that he's the rock star, he's cool, but the damage that he's doing to all of the people around him.
MORGAN: You've been through exactly the same thing. Ozzy was a drug addict. Ozzy was an alcoholic.
K. OSBOURNE: I don't believe this is just drugs. I don't. I'm sorry.
MORGAN: What do you think it is?
K. OSBOURNE: I think that he definitely suffers from some form of mania, because -- or -- I hate to use the word mental illness, but I don't think -- I think he's a very smart man. I think he's a very charming man. But I don't think he's aware of the destruction he's causing.
MORGAN: All of these things you're saying I could throw at you, at Ozzy at his peak of wildness. Very smart, very charming, a little bit crazy in his behavior, very addictive personality.
Now he's come through. Is that a template for what Charlie could do if he sorts his life out?
S. OSBOURNE: He has got to want it. You can put him in lock down. You can do whatever you want with him. Unless he really wants it, nothing is going to change.
K. OSBOURNE: I don't believe that he's even doing drugs anymore. I just think that he's done so much that his -- he's just fried his brain a little bit. And it goes for anybody that's an addict. If you want to get help, you can get help.
MORGAN: You've been through a major drug problem. What was it for you in the end that stopped you continuing?
K. OSBOURNE: That I wanted to die. I woke up one day and I couldn't believe that I was hoping that if I took a bit more that I wouldn't wake up in the morning. And that's what really scared me. I was just like I can't believe I have become this person.
This is who I am. And this is what I sat in my bedroom by myself praying for. It's a huge wake-up call. You know, I spent most of my teenage years messed up and miserable. And I had one of two options: die or sort myself out. I chose to sort myself out.
MORGAN: It's like you said, Sharon, in the end, it was Kelly that came to that decision.
S. OSBOURNE: You know what? You have to do it. You have to want it within yourself. And people telling you and advising you and putting you in different treatment centers and lock downs and prisons -- nothing will work unless he wants to.
You know, he --because of his privileged position, he hasn't hit rock bottom. Morally he has. Morally he's in the gutter. But he's in the gutter living in a mansion and earning millions and zillions. God bless him for that. Great, he's very talented.
But he's only morally in that gutter and he has to realize that for himself.
MORGAN: Kelly, I saw you at the Oscars on the old red carpet there, giving your views on all the dazzling dresses. We thought it might be quite fun to show you some of your mother pictures and her creations, and get your critique.
So why don't we have a little look at Sharon look number one.
S. OSBOURNE: Gosh.
K. OSBOURNE: When I was a baby, that's always how I remember my mom. I love it. I love it. I love it so much. I just remember --
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K. OSBOURNE: It was the '80s. Remember this.
S. OSBOURNE: That was all from Gap.
K. OSBOURNE: My favorite thing ever was that my dad and my mom used to bloody dress alike.
MORGAN: I know. Look at them. It's even the same color.
S,. OSBOURNE: We liked it. Leave us alone.
MORGAN: Let's move to look two. That is the best. The old rock chick, look.
S. OSBOURNE: What was that? What have I got on?
K. OSBOURNE: I don't know.
S. OSBOURNE: I've got suspenders on.
K. OSBOURNE: This was ten years ago?
S. OSBOURNE: The breast look good.
K. OSBOURNE: I've never been a fan of chokers. I'd have to say that I don't really like that.
MORGAN: Not a great fan. OK. Let's go to the third look.
K. OSBOURNE: This was at the Brit awards. I thought you looked great.
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K. OSBOURNE: I learned everything I know about fashion from my mom. It would be weird for me to sit here and say that she doesn't -- my mom always looked good until recently.
MORGAN: You've become much stylish, Kelly, if you don't me saying.
K. OSBOURNE: Because I can fit into the clothes that I want to wear.
MORGAN: Yes. Well, that's half the thing, isn't it?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes. But with my mom, I learned everything I know from her. So it's kind of --
S. OSBOURNE: But I tend to be now -- for me, I tend to be kind of something out an old reject from "Dynasty."
K. OSBOURNE: Joan Collins in the making right here.
MORGAN: Look at these power shoulders.
K. OSBOURNE: I'm all about shoulder pads. Do you want to know why? Because it makes your waist look smaller.
MORGAN: Is that true?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes. That's why you wear shoulder pads. The bigger the better.
MORGAN: We've got one last look of Sharon's that I want to show you.
K. OSBOURNE: That's not my mother. That's my father. Hi, mom.
MORGAN: I just had a night out with Charlie Sheen actually, on my way home.
K. OSBOURNE: That would be my dad.
MORGAN: I think there's been a bit of confusion there in our -- S. OSBOURNE: Love it.
MORGAN: When we come back, we're going to discuss someone that you like and I don't. And that's Madonna, who is apparently banned from the show.
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MORGAN: Kelly covering the song "Papa Don't Preach." And this is about as close as Madonna will ever be on this show because she's banned, as I've made quite clear before. You and I disagree about Madonna. I find her intensely irritating. You like her, don't you?
K. OSBOURNE: I do. I do really like her. You don't like her because you didn't get what you wanted.
S. OSBOURNE: Kelly was a little girl growing up just idolized Madonna.
MORGAN: Did you?
K. OSBOURNE: I did so much. I wanted to be Madonna when I was little, with curly hair and wear tons of bracelets. And I just loved her whole look and I don't know. She was such an icon and still is to me.
MORGAN: Here is the thing I find annoying about -- amongst many other things, is the -- she always banged on about protecting the children and all this kind of thing. And then the moment Lourdes is -- what, she's 14 -- now has her own fashion line. She's thrust out there, popped away as a big celebrity.
K. OSBOURNE: -- and let you know something. This is because Lourdes wanted it, not Madonna.
MORGAN: I think it's a really interesting point for a parent. And I know it's a decision that you obviously went through when the kids were young about the show. And Madonna is doing the same thing. But you are making a decision that a minor, which is what Lourdes is, is not legally responsible to make --
K. OSBOURNE: She went to school and didn't come to the shoot until after she was done with school. I think from Madonna -- from what I gathered from the short time I spent with her, was that it's about -- you know, she takes -- her daughter goes to school. That comes first. Everything else is after.
MORGAN: Making your daughter at 14 a celebrity --
K. OSBOURNE: She didn't make her.
S. OSBOURNE: She's Madonna's daughter. She was born a celebrity, Piers.
K. OSBOURNE: You just don't like her. So stop.
MORGAN: I don't, and it's precisely why. It's one of the reasons why I think --
K. OSBOURNE: You hate Madonna for that. Then you've got to hate my mom for it as well.
MORGAN: No, because I think your mother is more straightforward.
S. OSBOURNE: I never said that I wouldn't let you watch television or read magazines or any of that. You were plunged into pop culture.
K. OSBOURNE: I have to say that Lourdes is one of the most well rounded, polite, smart, well educated girls I've ever met in my life.
S. OSBOURNE: Beautiful, too.
MORGAN: Really?
S. OSBOURNE: Very, very beautiful.
MORGAN: Maybe there's hope yet.
K. OSBOURNE: Incredibly normal.
MORGAN: Really?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes.
MORGAN: Well brought up, you think?
K. OSBOURNE: Yes. She's a really good mom, from what I can see.
MORGAN: I've got to ask you this, how is your love life?
K. OSBOURNE: I don't have one.
MORGAN: Really?
K. OSBOURNE: Yeah. I don't want to -- take a break from all of that for a while and focus on me.
MORGAN: You have been put off men from bad recent experiences?
K. OSBOURNE: Wouldn't you if you were me?
MORGAN: Pretty bad. It was prettily bad.
K. OSBOURNE: Wouldn't you if you were me?
MORGAN: I met the infamous ex over that dinner that time. I know it ended badly for you. And it hurt you very much, didn't it?
K. OSBOURNE: Well, it hurts to get cheated on anyway. But to find out so many times and that one was a transsexual, I mean, it couldn't get worse, I don't think.
MORGAN: That's not a good day, is it?
K. OSBOURNE: Couldn't get worse. Different strokes for different folks. I can't knock him for it. It's just -- it's hardcore.
MORGAN: Did you believe that he was the one?
K. OSBOURNE: Did I?
MORGAN: Is that why it hurt so much.
K. OSBOURNE: I loved him. I loved him so much. It's hard for me to love anybody that's not in my family and to let my guard down so much for someone and dedicate so much of my life for someone and truly love them. Just to get it all slapped in your face is -- I mean, I always thought no matter what, we would always stay friends. But there's none of that now. I mean --
MORGAN: Sharon, how did you feel watching it all unfold? Were you ever convinced that he was the guy?
S. OSBOURNE: No. I liked him, but I -- I didn't -- I wasn't convinced that this was the man that my daughter was going to spend the rest of her life with. This isn't the man she's going to have her children with.
But whatever I felt, it's -- you know, Kelly's got to do her thing. And if she's happy, I'm happy. And if he made her happy, then I was happy.
MORGAN: You got lucky, I would say, in the sense that any woman who ends up with a man that she can love as much as you love Ozzy gets lucky. It's like the purest kind of love.
S. OSBOURNE: It's -- lucky isn't the word, you know. I'm just blessed. I absolutely just -- you know, God was good to me and he gave me Ozzy. We found each other. And it's been, you know, an unbelievable experience.
MORGAN: Not been an easy road.
S. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: Love is not easy.
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MORGAN: You have to find the right guy and knuckle in there.
K. OSBOURNE: The hardest thing for me is that I loved him so much. And to have the sudden realization that they didn't love you the same. And for me I just -- the hardest thing was that I feel so dumb. I feel really dumb. And I feel -- just so hurt by it. But now, how my life is getting so much better and having so much fun, I didn't realize how actually miserable I was in the relationship.
MORGAN: I'd imagine he's kicking himself now, isn't he? He's not going to do better than you.
K. OSBOURNE: I don't think it's about that.
MORGAN: No?
K. OSBOURNE: No. I don't. No one is better than anyone else. It's just -- I think it's more -- I think he's embarrassed.
MORGAN: When we come back, I'm going to lift this dismal mood of this ghastly ex of yours. And we're going to talk about something we all have in common.
S. OSBOURNE: What's that?
MORGAN: Tweets and Twitter.
K. OSBOURNE: You are so funny on Twitter. You get in fights all the time. I read them and I'm like, what is he thinking? Why is he arguing with Dog the Bounty Hunter?
S. OSBOURNE: What is it with Dog? What's going on?
MORGAN: I have no idea. We'll talk about it after the break.
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MORGAN: Sharon and Kelly Osbourne, let's talk Twitter, because you two are about as addicted to the damn thing than as I am at the moment.
K. OSBOURNE: I think you are a bit worse than us.
MORGAN: I think I might be. I really got into it. I only joined about three months ago, but I love it. It's like -- for a gossip like me, who likes news and gossip, it's like the perfect vehicle. You just have fun all day.
K. OSBOURNE: It is fun.
S. OSBOURNE: I just get a laugh out of reading your Twitters, because your one liners are so perfect.
MORGAN: I like having feuds on Twitter. It's funny.
S. OSBOURNE: We noticed.
K. OSBOURNE: Yes, but I would be a little bit more picky and choosy about who you have feuds with, because some of it just doesn't even matter.
MORGAN: I had one the other day with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife, who I don't know at all. I --
K. OSBOURNE: Why? I've been wanting to know why.
MORGAN: Because we were supposed to interview him on the show. And at the last minute, we had to drop him for a show about Egypt, a live news show, which Mrs. Dog didn't take very well.
So she began sort of criticizing on Twitter. I thought, who are these people? They're called Dog. I decided to retaliate. And then I found out they have this whole Dog army on Twitter, that they can come after you.
S. OSBOURNE: No.
MORGAN: Yes, completely mad people.
K. OSBOURNE: Piers' tweet was, I don't know what you're talking about because I have more followers than you and your wife put together. I was like, oh, my God, Piers.
MORGAN: All men on Twitter get very competitive numbers. All about the size of your followers.
K. OSBOURNE: I have more than you.
MORGAN: You have more than me, you see?
K. OSBOURNE: I know I do.
MORGAN: So you're pretending you don't know anything about it, but you know exactly how many you've got.
K. OSBOURNE: I do. Almost 750,000.
MORGAN: I'm catching you fast though.
K. OSBOURNE: Good for you. You've got a TV show on every day. Follow Piers Morgan on Twitter, and then a little thing on the bottom of your screen. So don't even --
MORGAN: You can tell your followers now to follow me, if you like.
K. OSBOURNE: I think I won't.
MORGAN: What do you think of the age when -- in the old days, people would protect stars through publicists and your private life would be kept very private. Now there we all are, three celebrities, for want of a better phrase, and we love going on Twitter and sort of revealing all this stuff about ourselves all the time.
K. OSBOURNE: I think you have to be smart about what you reveal. And I think that you -- what I love about Twitter is that it is an amazing way to connect with the people. The reason why you are where you are and you have everything you have. It's a great way of giving back. And you know -- but it's also fun. You can have fun with it. I don't necessarily be like brushing my teeth, having a pee. I don't give every detail of my life.
MORGAN: To me, the worst crime is being boring on Twitter. So many people are boring on Twitter, aren't they?
S. OSBOURNE: Oh, yeah, this is me at the dentist. Yeah.
MORGAN: What do you both have coming up? You've got -- what's next in the pipeline for you. I've got like this myriad of stuff you do.
K. OSBOURNE: Just more "Material Girl" stuff, "Fashion Police" every single week, which I love doing. I love Joan so much.
MORGAN: She's great fun, Joan.
K. OSBOURNE: She's so much fun.
S. OSBOURNE: She is fabulous.
MORGAN: I love her.
S. OSBOURNE: What was that -- she Tweeted my favorite three mother/daughters are -- she put, of course, myself and Melissa, Sharon and Kelly, and Suri and Tom Cruise.
K. OSBOURNE: She's so funny. Because you always think OK, she's pushed the boundary so far this time. Maybe it won't -- she's never going to one up herself. Each week -- she shocks me each week with the stuff she says.
MORGAN: She's very funny. I love it. One of life's great troopers.
S. OSBOURNE: She is.
MORGAN: Sharon, I know what you're doing, because you're doing "America's Got Talent" with me.
S. OSBOURNE: With you.
K. OSBOURNE: And you have strict instructions to keep her out of trouble, Piers.
MORGAN: Trust me, it comes the other way. I'm the one who's in trouble here. It's great fun, and it's a great show. Back on NBC in the summer.
Thank you both. It's been a great pleasure, ladies, to have you on. I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
That's all for tonight. Here's "AC 360."
