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Nancy Grace

Cindy Anthony Testifies in Daughter`s Murder Trial

Aired May 30, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death, but instead blames her own father, saying ex-cop George Anthony shows up with Caylee`s dead body. And instead of calling 911, George hides the body, leaving it to rot.

Tot mom also claims father George and brother Lee both sexually molest her. Tot mom`s lover reveals when Caylee goes missing, tot mom spends the whole day laid up in bed with him, only leaving to rent a movie.

Bombshell tonight. Tot mom`s own mother, Cindy Anthony, finally on the stand, breaking down in tears just feet away from her daughter on trial for murder, testifying to tot mom`s mountain of lies. Grandmother Cindy begs the court through tears to take down a photo of Caylee. And she describes her last day with the 2-year-old baby. Throughout her mother`s testimony, tot mom angrily shaking her head, No, no, no, only shedding a tear when her defense huddles around her during a break. We have the video.

And tot mom`s lover back on the stand, revealing secret text messages from tot mom in the hours after Caylee goes missing, admitting she, quote, "lies to everyone," and saying, quote, "she was scared to tell the truth." After complaining she had to wear handcuffs for a full 10 minutes tot mom whines about the possibility she may have to go to jail. Refusing to answer questions about Caylee`s whereabouts, tot mom ducks and dives through tough questions, never once distraught over Caylee.

And tonight we obtain those triple-X instant messages between tot mom and Tony Lazzaro that the jury will never hear. Triple-X, but do they reveal motive?

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CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Bloating was huge with me and Casey, and sometimes we would actually joke about it, talking about whether or not we looked like we were pregnant.

Caylee`s bed!

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: There`s that type of bond that you have with your kid.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can I have her take the screen down? It -- I can`t...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CINDY ANTHONY: ... look at my granddaughter without getting upset.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry.

CINDY ANTHONY: And I`m trying very hard not to cry.

And a gut feeling that made me call for help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The playhouse -- what kind of a floor is on that?

CINDY ANTHONY: Oh, it`s patio stones.

My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her!

There was always a reason that Casey wasn`t with Caylee. Caylee was with Zanny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I`m the worst person in the entire world. I don`t know what I`ll do if something happens to her."

-- bad mother, daughter and sister.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does that photograph fairly and accurately depict Caylee Marie Anthony on June 15th of 2008?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Tot mom`s own mother, Cindy Anthony, finally on the stand, breaking down in tears just a few feet away from her daughter on trial for murder, Cindy Anthony testifying to tot mom`s mountain of lies. And through tears, she begs the court to take down a photo of little Caylee. She can`t even continue to speak or think, being forced to look at little Caylee.

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Jean Casarez, standing by live at the courthouse, legal correspondent, "In Session." Jean Casarez, for those of the viewers that missed Cindy Anthony`s testimony, explain what happened.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, I was in the courtroom, and I watched Cindy Anthony walk to that stand and with eloquence and so much class and so much emotion, she testified to the final day that she was with Caylee.

They went swimming in that pool. She testified that Caylee`s bedroom was all done up in Winnie-the-Pooh. She testified the teddy bears that were so important to Caylee. And she testified with descriptive information what Casey Anthony told her day after day after day as to why she couldn`t bring Caylee back to the family home to see her grandmother.

GRACE: You know what, Jean? So much happened, I hardly know where to start. Everybody, we are live at the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony and the murder trial in the death of 2-year-old Caylee, her only child.

Jean, one thing you mentioned was about a teddy bear, and she went on in her testimony to say that when Caylee went missing, when she couldn`t figure out where Caylee was, when she felt her daughter was lying and lying -- I had to make a flow chart, Jean, of where all tot mom said she was. First she was at Universal. Then she was at Jacksonville. Then she went to the beach. Then she just -- she just ended up all over the place. Then somebody had a car accident and they were in the hospital.

And Cindy Anthony driving to these places to try to see Caylee, and then she`d call tot mom on the phone and say, Hey, I`m here at Universal. Where are you? She goes, Oh, well, now I`m in Tampa. I mean, every time Cindy tried to get to little Caylee, she wouldn`t be there.

But about that teddy bear. Cindy Anthony goes on to say that when she was missing Caylee so badly, she would sleep with Caylee`s little teddy bear. And then she brought a little teddy bear to court, Jean Casarez.

CASAREZ: Yes, she did. She also testified, though, that that teddy bear she started sleeping with all of a sudden was gone. It was gone out of the home, and she didn`t understand it. She didn`t understand how that teddy bear disappeared. We still don`t know the answer to that.

GRACE: You know, Michael Christian joining us, senior field producer with "In Session," also there with Jean Casarez live outside the courthouse. Michael, I`m just wondering if that teddy bear didn`t go missing on one of tot mom`s many visits to the home, when she would think that George and Cindy Anthony would be away for the day. We know a lot of things out of Caylee`s little room was found there at the crime scene, Michael.

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, SR. FIELD PRODUCER, "IN SESSION": That`s right, Nancy. We believe that Casey went to the home several times when George and Cindy were at work. We know from George Anthony that she came back one time. It was the day that the gas cans -- that he discovered the gas cans were missing from his shed. And he was home. All of a sudden, there`s somebody in the garage. He can`t figure it out.

Well, it turns out it`s Casey. She`s come, apparently, to get some clothes. She says she can`t stay. And that was the day that he discovered that she had the gas cans in her trunk with her. So we believe that, yes, she probably went to the home many times when her parents were at work and retrieved things, including, presumably, that teddy bear.

GRACE: Michael Christian -- put him back up! Michael Christian, you know, you`ve covered a lot of trials and you`re a very firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, to the point of naivete, I might suggest, but let me tell you this much, Christian . You`re going to hear some more about those gas cans because the way that the defense cross-examined George Anthony about those gas cans and that duct tape he placed over where the cap should be when the cap went missing -- I guarantee you they were on him about that to suggest he`s the one connected to that duct tape. You just watch, Michael Christian.

Back to Jean Casarez. Jean, back to Cindy Anthony on the stand. She stayed on the stand for hours on end, and she`s coming back on the stand for cross-examination. But one thing she was talking about was the pool. I want to hear what she said about the pool because in opening statements, tot mom not only lays the blame on her father, saying a he molested her -- BS! -- and B, he`s the one that brought in Caylee`s body from the pool and then went and hid it out in a makeshift pet cemetery in some woods near the home, leaving it to decompose out in the woods. Would never happen.

She also laid blame on Cindy Anthony, her own mother, saying that Cindy Anthony must have left the pool ladder attached. What did we hear about that?

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, to me, this is the headline from the testimony, at least one of the major headlines. She said that on that Sunday, Father`s Day, that she and Caylee got back to the house. Caylee wanted to go swimming, so they did. And she took this removable ladder that she said was bigger than her and she put it on the pool, and very carefully, Caylee went in. She went in ahead.

And then the question came -- and I was sitting on the edge of my seat. It was asked, So when you got out of the pool, what happened to the ladder? She said, I took it off. I took it off and I laid it on its side in the back yard.

And we also heard that pool was 40 -- 4 feet tall. We heard that Caylee was 3 feet or 38 to 40 inches tall, which would make the pool eight inches higher than Caylee. So the question is, Nancy, how would Caylee have gotten in that pool?

GRACE: Yes, well, you know what, Jean? Not only are you a lawyer and a correspondent, you`re pretty good at math. She couldn`t get in. She couldn`t get into the pool unless Cindy Anthony left the ladder attached.

And I was very interested in Cindy Anthony`s testimony about the last morning she left that home, thinking Caylee was likely asleep there in the home somewhere. Take a look at that ladder. A little child, a 2-year-old child, is not going to be able to attach that ladder, get it attached properly locked in, and then climb up the side of that pool. That`s not going to happen.

So I`m wondering if, from the Anthony home, you can see the swimming pool, Jean Casarez. What do we know? Because I know Cindy Anthony probably went in and made coffee and did some things in the kitchen, maybe looked out her bedroom window. She would have seen if Caylee was floating in the pool.

CASAREZ: That did not come up. The question didn`t come up. But the house has a lot of windows. We saw the home because Cindy described it. We heard about sliding glass doors, three sets of them, that allowed you to get out. They were locked. That`s how they usually kept them. And they also had the knobs child-proofed.

GRACE: Everyone, Cindy Anthony breaking down on the stand, crying bitterly at the photo of little Caylee. And through it all, tot mom sits stoically, repeatedly shaking her head, No, no, no, as if her own mother were lying on her.

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CINDY ANTHONY: That`s our Caylee. I wanted to document that day because at that time, I didn`t know if it would be the last time she would see my grand -- her great grandfather.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you see that?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you recognize it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you recognize it to be?

CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee`s bed!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does that photograph fairly and accurately depict Caylee`s bed?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. I mean, there`s a few things that are normally on it not there. And the sheet`s not on. Her pillow -- I mean, the pillow case isn`t on the pillow. But yes, it`s Caylee`s bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a stuffed animal on the left side of the photograph. Is that one of Caylee`s bears?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, that`s one of her bears.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: It`s hard to believe, looking at that video, we are approaching the three-year mark of when little Caylee was last seen alive. And now finally, three years later, justice for Caylee begins.

We are taking your calls live. Jean Casarez, Michael Christian, Natisha Lance -- we`re all at the courthouse, taking your calls.

Lisette in Georgia. Hi, Lisette. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I had a question about George Anthony, actually. The defense was that George Anthony disposed of the body (INAUDIBLE) little Caylee after she passed away that -- in his background, I would think that he would have known how to do CPR on the baby. And the duct tape around the mouth with the heart-shaped sticker -- that doesn`t seem like that would be a guy thing to do. Like, that would be more of a mother or a woman or a female that would do something like that.

GRACE: You know, it`s very interesting that you say that. To Dr. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist joining us out of New York. She`s right about the heart-shaped sticker being put directly over the mouth, on top of the duct tape. And also, Dr. Taylor the state says they can show that duct tape was the murder weapon, that the duct tape was applied pre-mortem, while Caylee was still alive.

DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: You know, it`s extremely cruel, and adding that heart-shaped sticker just seemed like the nail in the final coffin and does seem like something that is more feminine and more vindictive, as opposed to what you would think a traditional masculine way of disposing the body.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story, also in Orlando. Everyone, we are camped out live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the case of tot mom.

Was there any evidence at all brought in that Caylee had ever managed one time even to attach -- there`s the heart-shaped sticker that Lisette was talking about. Was Caylee ever even once able to attach that ladder and put it onto the pool and climb in by herself?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: No, absolutely no evidence of that at all, Nancy. And Cindy Anthony said that Caylee would usually -- when she would get into the pool, Cindy would be right behind her, and then Caylee would wait for her on the platform. Cindy would go around her, get into the pool, and then Caylee would jump into her arms in the pool.

GRACE: Another thing -- back to you, Jean Casarez. Explain to the viewers the dynamic we all witnessed between tot mom and her mother during Cindy`s testimony. And I got to tell you something. Cindy Anthony cried a river on that stand. And it turned out, Jean Casarez, that as recently as six weeks ago, Cindy was still trying to find Zanny the nanny, still trying to find Caylee.

Jean -- please put Jean Casarez up so I can see her. Jean, some of my sources told me that Cindy loved Caylee so much, she would count her teeth as her teeth came into her mouth. And she knew that Caylee, I believe the source told me, had 18 teeth. And for the longest time, she would not accept that this was Caylee`s -- these were Caylee`s remains because there were 20 teeth.

CASAREZ: Nancy, the dynamic in that courtroom -- you saw the emotion with Cindy. Casey had immense emotion at points of time during the testimony. But at the first break, I have never seen her so agitated, so animated, so upset. She was talking a mile a minute to her attorney. She was waving her hands a little bit. And then after that, I saw glares at her mother.

I saw not a daughter`s love toward her mother. I saw the opposite, Nancy, in that courtroom.

GRACE: Tot mom repeatedly shaking her head, No, no, no, jutting her chin out like she`s angry when her mom was testifying just a few feet away from her, crying her eyes out over...

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CINDY ANTHONY: I never had control of Casey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How (ph) would you lie to me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what was her response?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter with some psycho?"

CINDY ANTHONY: She told me not to panic, that she said that there was a car accident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone`s in trouble.

CINDY ANTHONY: She assured me that she and Caylee were perfectly fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you missing your granddaughter?

CINDY ANTHONY: Oh, I started missing Caylee June 16th.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The most important person in my life is missing. God only knows if I`m ever going to see her again."

CINDY ANTHONY: Angry, upset, felt betrayed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, and we`ve barely touched the tip of the iceberg on what`s gone on in court. Not only did Cindy Anthony, the grandmother, take the stand, tot mom`s mother, but Tony Lazzaro, the lover, also retook the stand.

Out to the lines. Senta in Georgia. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually, I`m in (INAUDIBLE) Arizona. I want to tell you, first of all, if every news journalist were like you, we`d have the truth 24/7. So God bless you.

GRACE: Senta, thank you. Thank you very much. And I got to tell you something. This isn`t playing out on TV the way it is in the courtroom. For instance, Cindy Anthony looks so much more vulnerable and small, and really pretty. It doesn`t play the same way on the camera. But when you see her in person, she doesn`t have a line on her face. She`s very tiny and petite. Tot mom looks entirely different than she does in court -- I mean, on TV. She seems to be almost glaring, angry when you see her in person.

Senta, what`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, my question is, she -- to just preface, she is the chief narcissist. If someone had narcissist and a picture in the dictionary of Webster`s, it would be Casey Anthony`s picture.

What angers me, who`s paying for her defense? If I were her parent, if I were her brother, and how she has said disparaging comments against me, how she has been glaring at me, when I -- these three people, her family, have been the only three in her court and...

GRACE: And not only that, over Mother`s Day weekend, Senta, tot mom sent her mom away, wouldn`t see her. But her mother, Cindy Anthony, left her money.

Ellie Jostad, who`s paying the bill?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, the state is paying the bill, the state of Florida, the taxpayers.

GRACE: You mean us...

JOSTAD: Exactly.

GRACE: ... the taxpayers.

JOSTAD: Exactly. That`s who`s paying for the defense.

GRACE: Well, and speaking of money, we`ve got our mitts on an IRS document, where tot mom owes nearly $70,000 in back taxes. Somebody has made some money off Caylee`s disappearance. Did tot mom sell photos or an interview?

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CINDY ANTHONY: Sir, can I have her take the screen down? I can`t look at my granddaughter...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

CINDY ANTHONY: ... without getting upset.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I`m sorry.

CINDY ANTHONY: And I`m trying very hard not to cry.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After June 15th of 2008, did you see your granddaughter Caylee?

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: No, ma`am, I did not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you see that?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you recognize it?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What do you recognize it to be?

CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee`s bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does that photograph fairly and accurately depict Caylee`s bed?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. There are a few things that`s normally on it, not there, and the sheet is not on her pillow, but I mean the pillow case isn`t on the pillow but yes, that`s Caylee`s bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a stuffed animal on the left side of the photograph. Is that one of Caylee`s bears?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. That`s one of her bears.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Welcome back, everybody. We are live outside that Orlando courthouse bringing you the very latest in the trial of Casey Anthony, to the mom, on trial for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl.

Not only did mother Cindy take the stand and testify through tears but tot mom is shaking her head back and forth the whole time. But the lover Tony Lazzaro back on the stand.

What did we learn, Ellie Jostad?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the morning of July 16th -- this is after Casey Anthony has been found by her parents, she`d been interviewed by police -- they let her go home for a couple hours, and she starts sending text messages to her boyfriend.

And he is asking her where is Caylee? Where is Caylee? And she says, I honestly don`t know. She says that she`s the worst mother in the whole world. He says -- you can see right there, he says, are you serious? When did you find out? And she says, I have been filling out reports. I`m the worst person in the whole world.

This nanny was someone that was a friend of a friend. She said that - - he said why did you lie to me? Why didn`t you tell me what was going on? And she said, I lied to everyone. She said she couldn`t tell people that she trusted her daughter with some psycho.

GRACE: And she also said -- this is getting pretty tired, Ellie. He said, why didn`t you tell anybody? She goes, I was scared.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: To the mom is scared again.

Here you go, let`s take a listen to the text messages.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "So sorry for not telling you what happened. We obviously need to talk. I need you. I love you more than you know."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Where is Caylee?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I honestly don`t know."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I don`t know? Are you serious? When did you find out?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I`ve been filling out reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments I have taken her to. I am the worst -- person in the entire world. I don`t know what I`ll do if something happens to her."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Why wouldn`t you tell me of all people? I was your boyfriend that cares about you and your daughter. Doesn`t make sense to me. Why would you lie to me thinking she was fine and with your nanny?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter with some psycho? How does that look?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I don`t know what to say. I just hope your daughter is OK and I`m going to do whatever I can to help your family and the cops."

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, we learned a lot from Tony Lazzaro`s text messages back and forth with tot mom. For instance, she was whining that she had to wear handcuffs for 10 minutes instead of being distraught about Caylee`s disappearance. He kept -- he kept, saying where is she, where is she? She said, well, you know -- you know who will go to jail for eternity if they don`t find her.

That was what she was focused on.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Right. Right. And she -- she also seemed to take responsibility. "I am the worst mother in the world for leaving my child with Zanny," she says.

But you know, Nancy, I think the defense can work with this. I think this can help the defense on the accident theory.

GRACE: In what way?

CASAREZ: That she is saying, I`m the worst mother in the world. I can`t believe this happened. She knows the truth although she is blaming it on Zanny which is a lie but she`s also admitting to a point that something terrible happened that she`s responsible for.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight from Miami, Hugo Rodriguez, defense attorney, former fed with the FBI. Alex Sanchez, high- profile defense attorney out of New York.

OK. Hugo Rodriguez. If you were representing tot mom where do you go now? You`ve already committed yourself to some wild theory in opening statement so you`re basically stuck with that.

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY & FORMER FBI AGENT: Correct. And the question is going to be whether she testifies or not. Because I don`t know that they have any other evidence to present to support the opening that was given by Baez. And we`ve debated whether we would put her on the stand or not.

GRACE: OK. What about it, Alex Sanchez?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that Mr. Baez has made a catastrophic error in this case by coming up with this defense because now by saying the father was involved in the drowning and hiding the body he`s locked his daughter into testifying.

His daughter has to testify at this point because there is no other independent person that is going to come in and present this side of the story except her. And if she doesn`t testify, the prosecution is going to be allowed to tell the jury what happened to this defense? What`s going on here?

So I think at this point they`re being buried by these witnesses and this defense.

GRACE: OK, put Sanchez and Rodriguez up.

OK, Sanchez, I`m going to play your little game for one minute where you step away from the truth and reality and real people and the courtroom, and I`m going to play like a chess game with you.

SANCHEZ: I like to play chess.

GRACE: What they should -- what they should have done. OK. Of course it`s all BS. Let me just say that right up front. But what they should have done is go with a straight accident theory. Let tot mom take the blame.

She was sleeping with me. She must have gotten up. She got in the pool. It`s my fault. She drowned. I panicked. I didn`t want to tell my mom so I set it up to look like murder and one lie turned into the next and the next and that`s what happened.

OK. Still have a lot of explaining to do about the chloroform and the e-mails and the computer searches but still, that`s better than bringing in George and Lee Anthony as child molesters and blaming Cindy for leaving the ladder on.

SANCHEZ: Well, Nancy, that`s why I`ve always said you would have made an absolutely excellent defense attorney.

GRACE: Don`t say that.

SANCHEZ: Because they should have -- from the beginning, before this trial even started, if there was a drowning come in and say there was this horrific accident, and then go to the police and explain what happened. But to wait at this point and then out of nowhere try to pull the rug out of everybody`s feet with this wild theory, it`s not going to work.

GRACE: You`re right, Sanchez. And so are you, Rodriguez.

To Marc Klaas, the president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation, joining us tonight out of San Francisco, the voice of reason, the voice of victims. He is a crime victim after the murder of his little girl Polly.

You know, Marc, I know it just galls you no end to hear attorneys talking about strategy and what they should have said when you know it`s all a big pack of lies, but the reality is here we see to the mom trying to put blame on everybody.

Is that common of defendants? Everybody but them?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, a certain type of defendants, sure. If you`re a narcissistic personality, if you`re a sociopath, you`ll throw anybody under the bus and do anything you can.

I feel an enormous amount of sympathy for the Anthonys in this. They`re sitting in that courtroom basically stoically in the gallery every day as the last few hours of their precious granddaughter`s life is broken down, dissected, categorized in the most minute detail, and they`re coming to the realization that their own daughter didn`t have an honest relationship in her entire life.

She didn`t have a real friend in her entire life and that she`s willing to throw even her own family, who up until six weeks ago were still looking for nanny -- Zanny the nanny. She`s willing to throw them under the bus in a very high risk attempt to save her own skin.

It`s just unbelievable.

GRACE: And you know what, Marc? Put Klaas up.

You know what, Marc? For the longest time --and I didn`t realize this until I started poking around in Orlando. Do you know how much money George and Cindy Anthony spent trying to find Caylee? They`d go in the middle of the night trying to find video surveillance of Caylee. They went to Puerto Rico, to New York, spent thousands of dollars dragging that sign of Caylee around the Orlando region.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and the most important person in my life is missing and god only knows if I`m ever going to see her again. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself.

"The most important thing is getting Caylee back but I truly hope that you can forgive me. Granted I will never be able to forgive myself nor will my family."

JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Cindy Anthony will testify that on June 15th Cindy Anthony and Caylee went swimming. That was Father`s Day. They have a ladder that is on the pool which they will both tell you they were religious about making sure the ladder was down so Caylee wouldn`t get up.

Did Cindy leave the ladder up? Did Cindy forget?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While you were swimming in the pool did your daughter Casey come home?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, she did.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what did you do with the removable portion of the ladder?

CINDY ANTHONY: I took it off as usual and placed it on the side and gathered Caylee`s bathing suit and life jacket, and grabbed my towel and proceeded to go inside the house.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live.

In addition to Cindy Anthony taking the stand, the lover Tony Lazzaro on the stand. But before I get to him and his triple X-rated messages back and forth with tot mom, to Aaron Brehove, body language expert, senior instructor at Body Language Institute, author of "Knack Body Language," joining us out of Boston.

Aaron, thanks for being with us. What is this look tot mom has? She juts her chin out, looks straight ahead at the witness, that being Cindy Anthony.

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: This --

GRACE: And shakes her head no, no -- even when her mother is breaking down crying.

BREHOVE: And she gives this stoned face look. She has no emotion there. She`s not connecting with her mother at all. And then when she -- when we do see her cry, there`s anger flashing across her face over and over during these tear sessions, during these little crying sessions during a break.

It`s not about Caylee at all. It`s about something else that she`s crying about, she`s angry about something else. And she is giving these looks at her mother. It`s completely inappropriate.

GRACE: Very quickly to Dr. Michael Arnall, board certified forensic psychologist joining us out of Denver.

Dr. Arnall, how long would it have taken for a child like Caylee to drown in a pool and with what would be the evidence from her body that she drowned?

DR. MICHAEL ARNALL, BOARD CERTIFIED FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: I think the child could drown in three or four minutes in a pool. She`d lose consciousness quickly.

As far as the evidence, while there may be hairs from the child in the pool filter, hairs could have gotten there at any time previously so I don`t think there is going to be any good evidence that a child drowned in that pool.

GRACE: Ellie, isn`t it true that a cadaver dogs hit near the pool way back at the beginning?

ARNALL: That`s exactly right. And we don`t know whether -- why they did that or whether the child was placed there for some period of time. The strongest evidence of course is from the trunk.

GRACE: You`re right.

Out to the lines, Ginger, California.

Hi, Ginger. What`s your question?

GINGER, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you for calling in, dear. What is your question?

GINGER: I`m wondering, I`ve been watching Baez`s objections to all the evidence of the videos and the photographs and the testimony of her friends and now Cindy.

I`m wondering if he`s objecting to all that evidence as a way to set up an appeal to have -- if she is convicted to have the conviction overturned because they`re using evidence of bad character.

GRACE: And which evidence, Ginger, are you referring to?

GINGER: The video of her shopping, the pictures of her partying, the testimony of her friends that she didn`t say her daughter was missing. She just --

GRACE: Yes. OK. Got it. Ginger, they may very well argue that but the state really doesn`t have a problem with that. That`s not going to be a reversible error, it`s not going to be an error at all on appeal if there is a conviction, because it goes to tot mom`s state of mind in the days, the weeks, even the hours after Caylee goes missing.

It shows where her head was. And it shows that contrary to what tot mom was telling her mother and others, it was all a lie. This absolutely contradicts what tot mom told police, what tot mom told her mother, her father, her brother, her lover. So it is admissible and will not be an error.

Now the judge did rule out some evidence. He ruled out some triple X- rated messages, text messages tot mom was sending back and forth to Tony Lazzaro.

What were they, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, they had this whole instant message conversation and apparently Tony Lazzaro was saying, I`m going to come over, I`m going to come over, and say hello, and they used some sort of code. I think the word was "CA." I`m looking at it on my notes here.

And the prosecutor said that that actually refers to a sex act and he kept saying, I`m going to come over and say hello, and she`s like, yes, right, you better not. And then she said, you know, only three more days and you`ll be able to come over here whenever you want.

Now the state argued that showed a motive. She wanted to get rid of her child, get her parents out of the way so she could have her boyfriend come over.

GRACE: OK, Ellie. That`s just not exactly the triple X-rated text message I was talking about.

JOSTAD: OK.

GRACE: Can you please address it?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, I think the one that you`re referring to, and I just saw it up on the screen really quick, but there was one where she says something like bring your hot -- over here. Is that the one we`re talking about?

GRACE: Yes. That would be it.

JOSTAD: OK. Right.

GRACE: So, Jean Casarez, this goes on and on. Why was it suppressed?

CASAREZ: It was suppressed because the judge said any probative value is outweighed by the prejudicial value, and he said what is she trying to do, kill her parents? He said that it just wasn`t logical. It wasn`t relevant.

GRACE: You know, Michael Christian, the state said that they wanted to introduce this. It`s my understand these -- particularly sexual text messages were just before Caylee goes missing and the state wanted to bring it in to show motive. That she wanted to be free, to be Tony Lazzaro`s lover 24/7, 365 without having to babysit Caylee.

And the judge said, no. The state said, it goes to motive. And the judge says, well, wait. You want to tell me if it was motive why didn`t she kill her parents, too? She wanted to be free of them, too.

So what, Michael Christian, was to the mom`s reaction in court as they were reading out these X-rated messages from her to Tony Lazzaro within the hours before Caylee goes missing?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, IN SESSION SENIOR FIELD PRODUCER: Very little, Nancy. You know we`ve heard a lot about her promiscuity in this trial. We`ve heard from various boyfriends. We`ve heard from one guy that she apparently slept with a couple of times. She doesn`t really seem to have any reaction to that.

And you know the thing that`s interesting about this motive thing from these e-mails is that the prosecution sort of dropped that. They went to a side bar. The jury was gone for the day and we thought when they came back that the state was going to make some more arguments to get some of this stuff in.

Frank George, the prosecutor, just said that we`re not going to try and introduce these at this time so this might theoretically be something that gets reinvestigated or reintroduced later in the trial.

GRACE: Yes.

CHRISTIAN: But for right now the prosecution has just given up on it OK.

GRACE: OK. Let me go back to Ellie. Please put her up.

Ellie, you left out -- you left out some more. Here, this is at 10:30 at night, the next day Caylee goes missing. "What`s your problem?" Tot mom goes, "I`m just trying to start a fight." You know, makeup sex, so worth it. They go on and on and on about having makeup sex, blah, blah, blah.

Then only a few more days and you can bring your A-S-S over here any time you want, stay whenever you want. Well, I`m coming over tonight.

So it`s all about their hookups and in the middle of all of this, somehow Caylee ends up dead, Ellie.

JOSTAD: Yes, that`s right, Nancy. And this is the state`s whole thesis right here, is that she wanted to get her child out of the way so she could live this beautiful life, where she was spending time with her boyfriend and partying.

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GRACE: On this Memorial Day, we stop to honor our bravest men and women who sacrificed their lives for our country. American heroes.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Brian P. Garcia. United States Navy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This Memorial Day weekend, people in Washington state recognized a few of the forgotten. Veterans who never received a proper burial until now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a frightening thing for human beings to think that they could die and no one would know to mark their graves to say where they had come from, to note what they had done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At Golden Gate National Cemetery in California, Boy Scouts placed American flags at each of the 138,000 gravesites to honor fallen veterans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I respect and honor them and I -- if I were they, I`d do the same thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: U.S. Army Chief Officer Christopher Tibido of Ohio was killed last week. The 28-year-old pilot died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris was what every dad wants his kid to be. He was hardworking. He was honest. He dedicated -- since the time he was 8, this is all he has wanted to do, and he lived his life. He did what he always wanted to.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I miss him so much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s still in Dover, and I just want to get him home.

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GRACE: Thank you for being with us, inviting us into your homes.

Tonight, our hearts and minds with our American heroes.

Everyone, we`ll see you live tomorrow night in Orlando, bringing you the latest on the trial of Casey Anthony, tot mom, from the Orlando courthouse. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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