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Nancy Grace
Cindy Anthony Breaks Down in Court at 911 Tapes
Aired May 31, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.
The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death, but instead says her own father, ex-cop George Anthony, shows up with Caylee`s dead body, and instead of calling 911, George hides the body, leaving it to rot. Tot mom also claims father George and brother Lee both sexually molested her. Tot mom`s lover reveals when Caylee goes missing, tot mom spends the whole day laid up in bed with him.
Bombshell tonight. Heart-breaking 911 calls from tot mom`s own mother, the moment Cindy Anthony realizes 2-year-old Caylee is gone. Tot mom sits stone-faced as grandmother Cindy Anthony breaks down on the stand, inconsolable, unable to even raise her head off the witness stand, burying her head in her hands as 911 calls played in court, Cindy barely able to stand or even walk, escorted from the stand after she begs for a break, then describes the smell of a dead body in tot mom`s car, talking through tears to ID Caylee`s little backpack and favorite doll.
Then grandmother Cindy squares off face to face with tot mom, part of an in-court demonstration, tot mom glaring at her own mother. And the jury hears tot mom`s blow-ups behind bars, ranting, cursing, yelling, insisting she has no idea where 2-year-old Caylee is, all the while knowing that Caylee is dead.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: I called a little bit ago, the deputy sheriff. I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.
911 OPERATOR: OK, what...
CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!
CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: My daughter has been missing for the last 31 days.
CINDY ANTHONY: My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her! I need to find her!
911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that her baby is where?
CINDY ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. And she just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself.
911 OPERATOR: And you last saw her a month ago?
CASEY ANTHONY: Thirty-one days.
CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car! I have not seen her since 7th of June.
911 OPERATOR: Who has her? Do you have a name?
CASEY ANTHONY: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee`s missing! Caylee`s missing! She took her a month ago! She`s been missing for a month!
CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which is stupid.
CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee`s baby doll, her favorite doll, had smelled pretty bad, so I went and got some Febreze and I sprayed the doll.
CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know where she`s at. Are you kidding me?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Heart-breaking 911 calls from tot mom`s own mother the moment Cindy Anthony realizes 2-year-old Caylee is gone.
We are taking your calls live. We are live in Orlando, bringing the latest out of the Orange County courthouse, where tot mom Casey Anthony on trial for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee. And what a day in court it has been, Cindy Anthony on the stand. She couldn`t even raise her head up off the witness stand. She was wracked with pain.
And the whole time, you take a look over across the courtroom at tot mom, she`s just sitting there, just looking at her mother like, Who are you? At one point, Cindy Anthony had to stand and look at tot mom. She had to stand and they begrudgingly looked at each other. There was no love at all from tot mom toward her mother. Her mother has stood by her through thick and thin.
Out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," in court today, standing by with the whole crew there at the Orlando courthouse. Jean, what happened in court?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, I was in that courtroom and that courtroom stopped, it stood still as Cindy Anthony testified for the prosecution against her daughter. She testified that it smelled like something had died in the car. She told her husband, she told her fellow employees at work. She said, I was only figuratively saying it. But then the judge said the 911 call, number three, Jurors, you can listen to that call for the truth of what Cindy Anthony is saying.
GRACE: Everyone, to the left of Jean what you`re seeing -- you can only see the top of Cindy`s head. She can`t even look up. And then when she got down off the stand, she could barely walk. She had to have help standing up. And that`s tot mom looking on. Looking on.
OK, Jean, at what point did Cindy have to put her head down?
CASAREZ: It was when that third 911 call started playing. And her tears -- she was crying for Caylee. She was reliving it, Nancy. She was reliving that she found out that Caylee had been missing for 31 days. She found out right before she made that call.
GRACE: Let`s take a listen to the 911 call. You are going to hear it just as the jury heard it in the last hours.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?
CINDY ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago, the deputy sheriff. I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing over a month.
911 OPERATOR: OK, what...
CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!
911 OPERATOR: OK, what is the address that you`re calling from?
CINDY ANTHONY: (DELETED) Hopespring Drive. We`re talking about a 3- year-old little girl!
911 OPERATOR: What?
CINDY ANTHONY: Hopespring, H-O-P-E-S-P-R-I-N-G, Drive in Orlando. My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her! I need to find her!
911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?
CINDY ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!
911 OPERATOR: OK, what is the 3-year-old`s name?
CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee, C-A-Y-L-E-E, Anthony.
911 OPERATOR: Caylee Anthony?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: OK, is she white, black or Hispanic?
CINDY ANTHONY: She`s white.
911 OPERATOR: How long has she been missing for?
CINDY ANTHONY: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
911 OPERATOR: What is her date of birth?
CINDY ANTHONY: 8-9-2000 -- oh, God, she`s 3! She`s 2005. Caylee`s missing! Caylee`s missing! Casey says Zanny took her a month ago! She`s been missing for a month.
911 OPERATOR: OK. I understand -- can you just -- can you calm down for me...
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: You are seeing what`s happening in court as the 911 call is played for the jury. This is what was happening.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?
CINDY ANTHONY: I`m on phone with them!
911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.
CINDY ANTHONY: I called them two hours ago. They haven`t gotten here. Casey finally admitted that Zanny took her a month ago (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: Ma`am? Ma`am?
CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) they want to talk to you.
CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE)
CINDY ANTHONY: Answer the questions.
CASEY ANTHONY: Hello?
911 OPERATOR: Hello?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: Hi. Well, can you tell me what`s going on a little bit?
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry?
911 OPERATOR: Can you tell me a little bit what`s going on?
CASEY ANTHONY: My daughter has been missing for the last 31 days.
911 OPERATOR: And you know who has her?
CASEY ANTHONY: I know who has her. I`ve tried to contact her. I actually receive...
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. You are seeing exactly what happened in the courtroom. Cindy Anthony`s head is down on the witness stand. She is crying. She can`t stop crying. She can`t hold her head up, as tot mom looks on.
Out to the lines. Debbie in Ohio. Hi, Debbie. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Good evening. I wanted to know, has anybody talked -- I think that Casey said the person`s name was Jeff that actually she got the nanny through. Has anybody talked to him, even though now we know there is no nanny?
GRACE: Yes, they have. To Robyn Walensky, WDBO. What do we know about Jeff?
ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: You know, they spoke to him, Nancy, and all of her stories -- it`s amazing. She wasn`t working, Casey, at Universal or Disney because she`s the queen of the characters. She makes up all of these fictitious people, and Zanny the nanny never existed.
GRACE: You know what, Robyn? You`re right. We had to make a flow chart of all of her imaginary friends -- Eric Baker, Jeffrey Hopkins, Zachary Hopkins, Jules, Juliette Lewis. I mean, that`s named after a movie star. Annabelle, Zanny the nanny, Samantha, Raquel Ferrell, Gloria -- it goes on and on. And they`re very intricately involved people. They`re all connected. They`re related. This one knows that one. It`s such a big lie, and it all comes crashing down.
Back out to Jean Casarez. Jean, I noticed when Cindy Anthony finally got a break, she nearly -- in the back of the courtroom, as she was walking out, she nearly fell onto George Anthony, who held her, braced her, and they walked out together.
CASAREZ: He was standing right there, Nancy, to grab her and for them to walk out together, to support her. She asked for that break, Nancy. She couldn`t go on anymore.
GRACE: We are live at the Orlando courthouse, Orange County, bringing the latest in the trial of Casey Anthony, tot mom, on trial for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl. She squares off against her own mother in court today, her face like stone as her mother breaks down, her body doubled over in pain.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?
CINDY ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff -- I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.
911 OPERATOR: OK, what...
CINDY ANTHONY: Get someone here now!
(END AUDIO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CINDY ANTHONY: Casey started making excuses why it would not be a good idea for me to go see Caylee. I wanted to see Caylee.
I was getting angrier and angrier and more upset. So I dialed 911.
I want to bring her in. I want to press charges.
911 OPERATOR: Where did all of this happen?
CINDY ANTHONY: Oh, it`s been happening.
I was pacing back and forth, and I just had had enough. And I made another phone call to 911.
I found her, but we can`t find my granddaughter.
911 OPERATOR: Casey not telling you where her daughter is?
CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.
911 OPERATOR: OK. We`ll have a deputy out to you.
CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) heard her tell me that Caylee`s been gone for 31 days. I lost it, swore at her and hit the bed. I ran out and called the police again.
My daughter finally admitted that the baby`s been stolen! I need to find her!
There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Did you see tot mom`s face as she looks on -- Liz, see if you can pull that back up again -- just looking at her mother like she`s a snake coiled up there on the witness stand. And her mother can hardly lift her gaze, cannot lift her head. Look! Look! Look at that! What is that?
Is that the way she looked at her the whole day, Steve Helling? Steve Helling joining us from "People" magazine, in court throughout the entire day.
We are live in the Orange County, Orlando, courthouse, bringing you the very latest out of the courtroom. Finally, nearly three years to the day -- that will be June 16 -- justice for Caylee begins.
Steve, did tot mom look at Cindy Anthony that way the whole day?
STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: You know, she really did. In fact, I never saw her crack a smile. I never saw her -- she -- she dabbed her eyes a couple times. She cried a little bit. But you know, she just had this stoic look on her face the whole time. It was really bizarre, almost like she was disassociating herself from everything that was going on around her.
GRACE: You know what, Steve Helling?
HELLING: I`ve never seen anything like it.
GRACE: I have never supported spanking, and so far, three-and-a- half years into it, the twins have not been spanked. But I tell you what. That is a look that can only be, let me just say, slapped off her face. I can only put it like that.
Let me see that look again, Liz. Hold on, Helling. I want to see this. Looking at her -- if I had looked at my mother like that -- and the thing is, Helling, the jury is seeing this. They are seeing Cindy Anthony`s gut-wrenching pain, doubled over on the stand, describing the 911 call, describing when she realizes Caylee is gone, having to look at her backpack and her favorite doll left behind in her little carseat. And tot mom`s, like, Ho-hum. Next.
HELLING: Exactly. And you know, I saw that the jury was -- there was some compassion in their eyes as they were looking at Cindy. They really identified with her. But when they looked over at Caylee (SIC), I saw some glares. I saw some furrowed brows -- I mean, when they looked over at Casey. It was -- it was the weirdest thing, I`ve ever seen, Nancy. It`s one of those things that -- that makes you see that something just went totally wrong with Casey.
GRACE: That`s the little doll that makes Cindy Anthony just go into hysterics. That was Caylee`s favorite doll. And anybody on -- in that jury box that is a mother, you know your children`s favorite things. I know if the children are in the car and I see their favorite thing, I`ve got to go get it and take it to them. I know that even if they`re asleep, I`ve got to put their favorite thing in the crib with them at night because I don`t want them to wake up and not have it with them. There`s her little backpack she carried with her.
Out to the lines. Nancy in Virginia. Hi, Nancy. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A quick comment. George Anthony from the very beginning has come across looking as honest, and you know, down to earth. And I think Cindy -- I always thought of her as arrogant. But watching this trial in her condition that she`s in, she`s not arrogant, she`s broken.
But my question is, with the lies that Casey has told, Zanny being one of them -- and she`s admitted to that -- how is the sexual abuse from her dad and brother going to come across? Is that going to just come across as another lie, do you think?
GRACE: You know what, Nancy in Virginia? That`s a good question. Liz, let`s put up the flow chart of all of tot mom`s imaginary friends that she has made up, and I`m sure we`re going to hear -- these are just the ones we know of. I`m sure that the state has a whole file of made-up friends. And as a matter of fact, Jose Baez asked her on the stand in cross, which I think was crazy, about all of her made-up friends. They asked Cindy about the made-up friends, Eric, Jeffrey, Zachary, Jules, Juliette, Annabelle, Zanny, Samantha, Raquel, Gloria.
Why did he do that, Jean Casarez?
CASAREZ: I think, number one, he wants to paint the picture of dysfunction in the whole family, and then once...
GRACE: Hey, hey, hey! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Don`t drag (ph) the whole family being dysfunctional. It`s tot mom making up all these people, not George and Cindy and Lee.
CASAREZ: But he`s trying to show that she had to do that because of the dysfunction where she came from.
GRACE: Oh, she had to lie! I`m not buying it, Jean.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How come everybody`s saying that you`re not upset, that you`re not crying at all?
CASEY ANTHONY: Because I`m not sitting here (EXPLETIVE DELETED) crying every two seconds.
CINDY ANTHONY: Gosh, it smelled like something had died in the car.
It smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!
I have someone here that I need to be arrested. My daughter.
CASEY ANTHONY: They`re going to pin this on me if they don`t find Caylee.
CINDY ANTHONY: She had a lot of explaining to do.
CASEY ANTHONY: Gone through other resources to try to find her, which is stupid.
CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE)
Caylee`s missing! Caylee`s missing!
CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody in my own family is on my side. They just want Caylee back. That`s all they`re worried about right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are live at the Orange County, Orlando, courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial against Casey Anthony, tot mom, in the murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee. On the stand today, tot mom`s own mother. And there was a bizarre moment where the two had to stand face to face and look at each other.
I thought that was -- I thought that was crazy, Ellie Jostad. What happened? And did Baez, the defense attorney, come up with this?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy. Well, apparently, Cindy Anthony -- you know, she was testifying that when Casey was pregnant, none of the -- nobody in the family knew. He showed this picture, This is at your brother`s, Cindy`s brother`s wedding...
GRACE: Hold on! Hold on! Take down the banner so I can see the picture, Liz.
JOSTAD: Yes, that`s the photo.
GRACE: Yes, she`s pregnant. She`s pregnant.
JOSTAD: Right. Right. Well, so he asked Cindy, Did you know she was pregnant? She said no. He said, What did you -- how did you explain to yourself this protruding belly? She said, Well, you know, Cindy -- Casey, rather, was more sedentary, wasn`t active. So Jose Baez said, Well, you know my client has been in jail for three years now. She`s inactive in jail. Look at her now. Is this the protruding belly (INAUDIBLE)? And of course, she said no. So that`s what we`re looking at right here.
GRACE: And the two didn`t make any eye contact at all, Ellie.
JOSTAD: It was completely cold between the two of them, no emotion.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: My daughter has been missing for the last 31 days.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: And you know who has her?
CASEY ANTHONY: I know who has her.
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: Caylee is missing. Caylee is missing. Casey knows Zanny took her away a month ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Zanny the nanny. Did you ever see a photograph of Zanny the nanny?
CINDY ANTHONY: No.
She has been missing for a month. My daughter finally admitted that she`s been missing.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever speak to Zanny the nanny?
CINDY ANTHONY: No.
My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you had no idea that Zanny was not a real person?
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I did not.
We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The smell in the car, was that a smell that you recognized?
CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.
Her favorite doll was in the car seat like it was sitting with Caylee at his back. He was (INAUDIBLE). Like the car.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What died?
CINDY ANTHONY: I sprayed the doll and then I sprayed Febreze all through the car, thinking that that might help with the odor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What died?
CINDY ANTHONY: Sprayed the front and the back. I used pretty much a whole can of Febreze. The smell in the car was pretty strong. I mean I use that expression, you know, what died.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Welcome back, everyone. We are live at the Orlando courthouse, Orange County, bringing you the latest in the trial of Casey Anthony, tot mom, in the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl Caylee.
And what a day in the courtroom it was today. Tot mom`s own mother on the stand. Nearly doubled over in half. Sobbing. As she reheard the 911 where she tells police her little granddaughter is gone.
In fact, what we found out, Natisha Lance, is that she found out really that Caylee had been missing for 31 days when she overheard tot mom telling brother Lee.
Describe what we heard in court today.
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, as you know, there were three 911 calls at first when Cindy Anthony picked up Casey Anthony from Tony Lazarro`s home. She found a police station along the way, on the way home. She called police the first time there. She tried to report a stolen car. She tried to say that Casey had stolen money.
Then they directed her that she needed to go home because they don`t live in that jurisdiction. When they got home she ended up calling police again. Casey Anthony had gotten into her home. Lee greeted them when they got home. And Lee was trying to get some answers from Casey.
Before that third 911 call was placed Cindy Anthony said she was pacing back and forth in that house, she went to the door of Casey Anthony`s room and she overheard Casey say I haven`t seen my daughter in 31 days and immediately, Nancy, Cindy Anthony made that phone call, her intuition went into play, and that is when we heard that 911 call, her frantic, insane, it smells like there`s been a dead body in the car.
GRACE: And tell me, Jean Casarez, the defense tried to suggest that George Anthony had no response because at some point in the 911 call you can hear Cindy telling George Caylee has been missing 31 days. Tell me what happened.
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Right. Well the defense is saying look we`re not hearing any response from George. In other words, he already knew all that. That`s what they are going for because they are interplaying him with that.
But she said, no, wait a minute he was farther away from the phone. He went into shock and law enforcement arrived right at that moment.
GRACE: Out to the lines, to Dory in North Carolina.
Hi, Dory. What`s your question?
DORY, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call.
GRACE: Thanks for calling in, dear.
DORY: And thank you for being our earth angel also.
This has been so sad in knowing what she`s putting her parents through but I can`t help think back to when at the beginning when you run all of the -- in jail, the conversations, while she was in jail.
GRACE: Right.
DORY: I fully really believe with all my heart if her mom or dad had anything to do with it, or anyone else had anything to do with it, she would have been singing as hard as she could as bad as she wanted out of jail.
GRACE: You know what?
DORY: And now --
GRACE: You`re right. You`re right. And earlier a call, I believe it was Nancy in Virginia, was talking about how Cindy had come off being arrogant earlier? I think that Cindy Anthony has just been combative because her whole life, everything she loves is being taken away from her.
Number one, I got to tell you, guys, I poked around a lot in Orlando. I`ve been looking, talking to different sources and witnesses. Caylee was the love of Cindy and George`s life. They got to relive tot mom`s childhood through Caylee.
They did everything for her. They made her room. They bought her clothes. Everything. She`s just like this gift from god for them. So that`s taken away from her. Then her daughter is charged with murder.
And don`t you know they don`t want to believe this. And then you got the press chasing them. Then you got people outside their front porch, their front yard screaming with signs and blocking the driveway when they are trying to even drive home from church, throwing things.
George Anthony even got spit on by some of these people out in their front yard. Spit on. And there they are getting phone calls in the middle of night from people that they think they seen Caylee, they`re driving to this place and that place trying to look at video surveillance, they`re going to Puerto Rico, to New York, trying to find Caylee.
And I think you`re right, Dory. If she had thought her parents were involved she would have ratted them out in a heartbeat.
Unleash the lawyers. Joining us, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta, Paul Batista, defense attorney, New York.
Raymond Giudice, the interplay between tot mom and her mother in court. It spoke volumes. I don`t even need to hear what they`re saying, Ray, because the jury was soaking it in. You`re hearing the 911 call.
I remember John David being lost in Toys "R" Us for one minute and I still remember the hysteria in my chest. And here`s tot mom just sitting there like -- tic-tock.
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, the jury is making two comparisons, Cindy`s reaction versus Casey`s in the courtroom. And their own individual, as a human being, the jurors themselves sitting there saying, I would never respond the way Casey Anthony did had my child been missing. So it`s going on on multiple levels.
GRACE: What about it, Paul?
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": I`m not buying any of this, Nancy. This is so far the weakest murder death penalty case I have seen. It is great reality TV, but so far all we have is rumor, suggestions.
We don`t -- nobody likes Casey Anthony, but the fact that she`s not liked doesn`t substitute for evidence. Evidence is needed. That jury is going to ask itself when it goes back into the jury room what evidence do we have.
GRACE: What about Caylee`s hair post mortem in tot mom`s trunk?
BATISTA: You know, you`re reversing the whole process here, Nancy.
GRACE: No, I`m asking you --
BATISTA: It`s the government --
GRACE: You said there`s no evidence.
BATISTA: It is the government that has to prove --
GRACE: No. You said there`s no evidence. Please address my question.
BATISTA: There is no evidence.
GRACE: Address the question.
BATISTA: Nancy, there is no evidence that Casey Anthony applied that tape. That is the key missing ingredient.
GRACE: Can you please address the question?
BATISTA: It is -- there is no evidence, Nancy. I am addressing the question that Casey put that tape on this child`s face.
GRACE: Yes. Well, that was not my question. So I`m going to quit asking you the questions since you --
BATISTA: But that`s the issue.
GRACE: No.
BATISTA: That`s the issue.
GRACE: You should go ahead and cut his mike because he`s refusing to answer the question about --
GIUDICE: Nancy -- Nancy, let me jump in.
GRACE: Hold on. About her hair post mortem in tot mom`s trunk, about her, tot mom`s computer searches about neck breaking, homemade chloroform on her computer. But nobody else was home.
Hold on, Raymond, I`m going to come back to you.
GIUDICE: OK.
GRACE: But I`ve got go to Marc Klaas.
Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlassKids Foundation. You were in the spot, very similar to Cindy Anthony. You were in the courtroom when Polly went missing. You were there at the courthouse for the trial of her killer. Your little girl`s killer.
What is Cindy going through?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Nancy, I watched much of this on television today and was really riveted. And what it demonstrates, I think, to everybody is that much of the drama that occurs in the courtroom occurs not because of revelations of fact but revelations of emotion.
And on the one hand we see this mother that`s absolutely crushed by the loss of this little girl who you rightfully said was her whole life, and on the other hand you`ve got Casey sitting there, and I don`t even think it`s stoically because I think that she`s expressing an awful lot of emotion, and she`s giving the jury a peek into the dark void that is her soul.
GRACE: You know, at any moment, I thought she was just going to give her mom the finger. I mean she`s just sitting her, looking at her like she hates her. And her mother is one of the few people --
KLAAS: She is giving her the finger.
GRACE: The few people that have stuck by her through thick and thin. I mean literally fighting off protesters. You know how easy it would have been for her to just kick tot mom out of the house when she made bail that time and make everybody happy? But no. Cindy and George kept her there, defended her, took care of her. And look at the way she`s looking at Cindy Anthony, Marc Klaas.
KLAAS: Well, obviously family means everything to Cindy and George and they did stick with their daughter. Obviously family means nothing to Casey. Nothing at all.
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AMY HUIZENGA, TOT MOM`S BEST FRIEND: She remarked that there was a really bad smell coming out of her car and she didn`t know what it was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very potent -- it was eye-opening.
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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: What`s the 3-year-old`s name?
CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee. C-A-Y-L-E-E. Anthony.
I`ve realized that she was lying again.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: What is her date of birth?
CINDY ANTHONY: Eight -- 8, 9, 2000 --oh, god she`s 3. 2005.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re aware that Casey has been incarcerated for the last three years, do you not?
CINDY ANTHONY: And we found her after a month. She`s been missing for a month. I found her. But we can`t find my granddaughter. I spent every day of my life for the last three years.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Is Casey not telling you where her daughter is?
CINDY ANTHONY: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: How long has she been missing for?
CINDY ANTHONY: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re aware that she spends 23 hours a day in the cell?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, sir.
Casey was so forthright. (INAUDIBLE) telling me. Caylee had been gone for 31 days and that she -- that Zanny had taken her.
Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee. Sweetheart, if anything happens to Caylee I`ll die. Do you understand? I`ll die. If anything happened to that baby.
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh, my god. Calling you guys, a waste. Huge waste.
CINDY ANTHONY: Honey, I love you.
CASEY ANTHONY: You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was this wouldn`t be going on.
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GRACE: You`re seeing tot mom`s own mother Cindy Anthony breaking down in court. As she heard that jailhouse video -- that jailhouse phone call. Tot mom calls home or gets a call from home while she`s behind bars. She says her whole family talking to them is just a big waste.
What happened -- to Jean Casarez. What happened, Jean Casarez, when that came up in court?
CASAREZ: This was a big moment. Remember this is the first time the jury ever heard Casey Anthony`s voice in a conversation with her family. She said all everybody cares about is finding Caylee. That`s all. She said I haven`t been to sleep, I need a shower, I need to get some rest myself. That was the demeanor of the call.
GRACE: To our body language expert, Patty Wood, joining us out of Atlanta.
Patty, weigh in.
PATTY WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, you see it`s not a stone face. You actually see the furrowed brow, her focused eyes, the look of anger and actually disrespect of her mother. Surprising that a lot of people are talking about stone face when I see anger and disrespect.
GRACE: I want to go out now to Wendy Walsh, psychologist and expert on momlogic.com.
Agree or disagree with our body language expert?
WENDY WALSH, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST, EXPERT ON MOMLOGIC.COM: I completely agree. I think that what we`re seeing here is the adult daughter who is, you know, behaving like a child in prison saying that we should feel sorry for her instead of looking for the toddler, and now angry that mom is telling the story again on -- I was going say the set because it probably feels like a set to her in the courtroom.
GRACE: Back to Steve Helling, staff writer for "People" magazine in court today. He`s about to come out with a big article detailing everything he`s been observing in court and he is there from the beginning in the morning until the end of the day.
Steve Helling, I`ve read the article. Very, very compelling. I want to know what you observed between tot mom and her mother especially -- let`s play it again, Liz. Where Cindy has to stand up and look at tot mom. They are talking about what she looked like when she was pregnant.
What did you observe, Steve?
STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: Well, you know, I saw them looking at each other and it was almost like two strangers looking at each other or two people who just didn`t really care for each other. It wasn`t a mother and daughter moment.
It wasn`t something -- you know, you have to keep in mind that they haven`t spoken for years. And there was no even real recognition in Casey`s eyes. It was the weirdest thing I`ve ever seen. I`ve never seen anything like that.
GRACE: To Dr. Zhongxue Hua, Union County medical examiner.
Doctor, thanks for being with us again. The defense questioned Cindy Anthony about her daughter`s physique, suggesting that they knew that she was pregnant and were just all lying about it.
You know I`ve heard of it quite often. Pregnant moms actually covering it up, that they were pregnant. This time tot mom was in her seventh month. Is that possible that they did not know?
DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION COUNTY, NJ, MEDICAL EXAMINER: It`s certainly -- I mean it`s certainly possible. But again, it`s not a common phenomenon. Sometimes people do can hide their pregnancy up to -- I mean up to the term of eight or nine months, but again it`s not common.
GRACE: Well, Doctor, let me tell you something. I respect your medical degree and all that. But I was so superstitious and worried when I finally was pregnant with the twins I kept it a secret nearly six months. I kept it a secret. I guess about 5 1/2 months. Wore baggie clothes, wore my blue jeans.
You know, if people thought I had gained weight they never said anything, thank goodness, but it can be done, Doctor. You know, I don`t know what they taught you in medical school but it can be done.
HUA: Yes, it certainly can be done. Yes, without question. I mean I`ve seen people hiding all the way to the term, like talking nine, 10 months pregnancy.
GRACE: Yes, I have, too. And I was always surprised until I tried it myself.
We are taking your calls. Out to Sean in Michigan. Hi, dear. Is it Sharon? Hi, Sharon. What`s your question, dear?
SHARON, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi, Nancy. I want to say your children are very fortunate to have such a loving and caring mother like you.
GRACE: Thank you. Thank you.
SHARON: But this is about Casey Anthony`s testimony about her being such a loving mother. I`m wondering if you think that she resents that beautiful child more than she loved her. You know, she put such a damper in her partying ways and spending the night.
GRACE: You know, hold on, Sharon. I`m going to get to that and some text messages between her and her boyfriend when we get back.
Everyone, we are live in Orlando.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you continue to question Casey as soon as she got into your car, about Caylee`s whereabouts?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, I did, and I realized that that wasn`t an opportunity to really talk to Casey because Amy was in the car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And after those conversations ended, what would she say? Did she say anything about her relationship with her mom?
HUIZENGA: Just that her mom was crazy and she`s just really frustrated and that she needed space and she didn`t understand why she didn`t understand that.
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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live at the Orange County courthouse.
Back to Sharon in Michigan`s question. To Ellie Jostad, instead of using the Tony Lazzaro sex text messages, let`s talk about Huizenga, Amy Huizenga, on the stand today and about how Caylee was cramping tot mom`s lifestyle.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Yes, that`s right, Nancy. Amy said that there was a lot of tension between Casey and Cindy Anthony, and that there were a lot of times where they made plans to go out and at the last minute Casey Anthony would have to cancel because Cindy couldn`t stay home and watch her.
So she said there was this ongoing tension. At one point Cindy even called Casey an unfit mother.
GRACE: We will be back in the courtroom first thing in the morning to bring you the latest. Finally, justice for Caylee begins.
Let`s stop and remember Army Private 1st Class Devon Gibbons, just 19, Fort Orchard, Washington, served Iraq. Lost his life at Houston`s Brook Army Medical Center. His family by his side.
From a family of military vets, awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation. Loved sports, computer games, the beach, piano, snowboarding. With a smile that lit up a room.
Leaves behind parents Bonnie and Mel, brothers Ryan, David, Andrew, Adam and Jacob.
Devon Gibbons, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us.
The Georgia Child I.D. program CHIP gives digital photos, fingerprints, I.D. cards to help with child recovery in case your child goes missing. It`s free. And there are others like it across the country.
Sign up at gachip.org.
Everyone, we will be live tomorrow from the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in justice for Caylee.
I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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