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Prosecution in Casey Anthony Trial Plays Tape of Defendant Denials; Interview with Robin Williams
Aired June 02, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the jury in the Casey Anthony trial hears the original interrogations in which detectives punch holes in Casey`s story about her daughter`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything that you told me this morning is a lie. Every single thing.
ANNOUNCER: How will the defense rebound from this latest round of damning testimony?
And Joy talks to the bounty hunter who bailed Casey out of jail back in 2008.
Then the always unpredictable Robin Williams is here.
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: The Casey Anthony murder trial continued today. And prosecutors played an interrogation tape showing Casey Anthony speaking with investigators back in July of 2008. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything you told us is a lie. Every single thing. And you can`t.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And you can`t keep sitting here and telling us the same thing and getting -- constantly over and over and over again we`re disproving everything that you`re telling us.
You`re telling us that you`ve lied to us. You`re telling us you`ve given us misinformation. Everything you`re telling us. OK? This needs to end.
CASEY ANTHONY, SUSPECTED MURDERER: The truthful thing is I have not seen my daughter. The last time that I saw her was on the 9th of June.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what happened to Caylee?
ANTHONY: I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure, you do.
ANTHONY: I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Listen, something happened to Caylee.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Here now with more on what happened in court today are Judge Alex Ferrer, Florida circuit court judge, and the host of "Judge Alex"; Ryan Smith, host of "In Session" on TruTV; and Kathryn Smerling, clinical psychologist and behavioral expert.
Judge Alex, most of today`s session painted Casey as a huge liar. She sticks to her stories, and her lies are very detailed. What`s your impression of her?
JUDGE ALEX FERRER, HOST, "JUDGE ALEX": You know, I`ve handled thousands of cases. I`ve tried tons of murders as a judge. I`ve never, ever, ever, ever seen a liar like her. She is just so convincing. She sticks to her story. These detectives throw her curveballs. They call her out on lies. And she just flows with the punches.
I mean, they`re tough detectives. These guys are career detectives. They had me ready to confess. And she still sticks to her story. She`s unbelievable.
BEHAR: I know. What about the badgering, though? The policemen seem to be badgering her. Doesn`t that work for the defense, Judge?
FERRER: Oh, I`m sorry. No, not at all. I mean, at this point the jury already knows what a liar she is. They`ve already heard about the stories she has given.
BEHAR: So they like the badgering?
FERRER: I think they can relate to the fact that these detectives know she`s lying and they`re trying to get her to tell the truth, but she will stick to her guns. Ultimately that`s going to kill her when she gets on the stand, and she`s going to have to get on the stand.
BEHAR: She will? Kathryn, what do you make of what he just said, the judge, that he has never seen a liar like this? What is that?
KATHRYN SMERLING, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST & BEHAVIORAL EXPERT: Well, I think that she`s incredibly delusional and she`s also psychopathic. I`m not her psychologist, so I don`t want to give her a DSM disorder. But certainly she`s.
BEHAR: What`s a DSM disorder?
SMERLING: Diagnostic manual. That identifies people as schizophrenic, bipolar.
BEHAR: Oh.
SMERLING: . and it classifies people.
BEHAR: So you don`t want to do that?
SMERLING: I don`t want to do that because I`m not her personal therapist. However, she has such a strong sense of denial. She has got a strong sense of creating this other fabric of a false life that she truly believes it. But there she`s starting to crack. She will crack. She really will crack.
There was one piece today that I saw before on this morning, is when she was talking to her parents and they said to her, are you ever going to get out of here? We want to get you out of here. And she says, well, I don`t know, I`m pretty intent, they`re pretty intent upon keeping me here.
And then she says, excuse me, I have to take a break from you. So she left her parents and she went to the bathroom. And my hypothesis is either that she threw up because she was so disgusted with her own lies, because the body doesn`t lie, or she was crying and she came back a little bit later, and the mother and father are talking to each other.
They remark, and they say, isn`t that odd that she just left us here? We only have three minutes with her. Why would she do that? So I believe that she will crack. But she has such a strong.
BEHAR: So you think she cracked at that point?
SMERLING: I do, I do.
BEHAR: That`s why she removed herself.
SMERLING: I do.
BEHAR: I see.
OK, Ryan.
FERRER: She`s not going to crack. She`s not going to crack.
BEHAR: I don`t know about it.
FERRER: She`s just too -- if anything, she`s just going to change her story. When she takes the stand, I think she will change her story because her story right now does not work. It does not work.
BEHAR: Now, Ryan, the conversation with investigators was about an hour long. What else came out of the conversation?
RYAN SMITH, HOST, "IN SESSION": Well, the main thing was the investigators kept saying, everything you`ve told us is a lie. And, Joy, they took her through every part of her statement. From why she lied about working at Universal to why she lied about Zanny the Nanny.
And at every stage what really stunned me about this is that her demeanor doesn`t change. Her affect doesn`t change. It`s not as if she`s hysterical about Caylee being missing at that point. It just is simply a woman who is sticking to that story. It`s almost like it`s two different people. And she`s describing things in such great detail she doesn`t even break her stride or break a sweat when she tells the story.
BEHAR: Yes. Go ahead.
SMERLING: I see that. I see Casey as two very different people. I see her as someone who is so entrenched in her fantasy and her denial of who she is that there is no connection. She`s totally detached.
BEHAR: That was kind of like O.J. Simpson, if I may bring his name into this for a minute.
SMERLING: I think that that`s correct.
BEHAR: I mean, he seemed -- I almost felt like he didn`t believe he killed the girl at the end of the day. Like he convinced himself he didn`t do it. Some kind of weird denial that`s deep denial.
SMERLING: It`s very deep denial.
BEHAR: She may be in that.
SMERLING: It`s also very child-like. It`s fantasy and child-like. It`s like a child before the age of 7 believes that they are the center of the world and they can create their own fantasies. And that`s kind of what her behavior has been like.
BEHAR: Well, let`s listen to another part.
FERRER: Yes.
BEHAR: Let`s listen to this with the detective.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that everything you told us is a lie. Tell us what happened to Caylee. Tell us what happened to Caylee.
ANTHONY: I dropped off Caylee. And that`s the last time that I`ve seen her. I dropped her off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, where did you drop her off?
ANTHONY: I dropped her off at that apartment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you didn`t.
ANTHONY: That`s exactly where I dropped her off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And who did you drop her off to?
ANTHONY: With Zenaida.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, you didn`t.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, that`s not true.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: He was obviously trying to get her to tell the truth but she would not do it.
Judge Alex, the prosecution played jailhouse videos today. What do you think the jury will take away from the videos? Did you see them?
FERRER: Absolutely. Every time the jury gets to hear her lying with such strength, she`s talking to her brother, she`s lying, at this point if you believe her version, which I don`t, that the child drowned and that her father found the body and all that, then she is lying to her brother`s face, to her parents` face.
She`s telling them, all I care is that we find Caylee. She`s just hamming it up because they`ve told her that these recordings get out to the public.
BEHAR: Right. I saw that.
FERRER: I think they`re learning not to trust her at all. And her version is so ridiculous. Because to accept her version, her version is, my daughter drowned in the pool, my father found the body and told me you`re going to prison and then he disposed of the body so I wouldn`t get in trouble.
So you`d have to believe that her father loves her so much that he took his granddaughter`s body and threw it out like a piece of garbage, even though as a cop he knows she`s not going to get in trouble for an accidental drowning. An ex-cop.
But then when she gets accused of first-degree murder and the body is found and she`s facing the death penalty, this father who loves her so much that he threw his granddaughter`s body out like garbage is staying quiet and letting his daughter go to the death chamber.
It`s incredible that that`s their defense.
BEHAR: And, you know, Ryan, how is Casey reacting when they play these tapes? Is she still stoic and not.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Yes, go ahead.
SMITH: She is stoic. You`ve got it exactly right. She is stoic. She`s very much looking at a screen that she has that shows the testimony or the videos. And her facial expression doesn`t change. And to the point that the judge just made, remember, the theory is that it was an accident. And as Judge Alex just said, that her father helped her cover up the death.
You`ve got to ask a couple of questions. First, why would he come to see her in prison? And when he is there, both grandma and grandpa, they are concerned about finding Caylee.
Now, this is the same grandpa that the defense is saying helped cover it up. But here he is on that tape saying, what can we do to find Caylee? I mean, this has to be such a massive cover-up on his part in order to meet with the defense`s theory.
BEHAR: Well, let`s me just play devil`s advocate for a second. He also knows he`s being taped just like she does.
SMITH: That`s true. That`s true. But you`ve got to.
(CROSSTALK)
SMITH: Go ahead.
BEHAR Go ahead -- I was going to ask you about the defense attorney, Jose Baez. He asked for a mistrial today, Ryan. Is he going to get a mistrial?
SMITH: I don`t think he`s going to get a mistrial. And this will not be the first or the last time you`ll see it. And what they`re trying to do is what they tried to do before this trial, which is take out these jailhouse tapes.
Now, there was a thought that they were going to try to take out portions of the jailhouse tapes, and that was something apparently the defense didn`t really follow up on before this. So now they`re trying to get the whole thing thrown out.
And they say if it is played it kind of biases the jury unfairly and therefore should be a mistrial. It`s not going to happen and this will not be the last mistrial that they`re going to request, I think.
BEHAR: OK. Judge Alex, I want to just ask you, Judge Perry was the assistant state prosecutor when they put a woman to death for murder in the electric chair. So this guy, he`s not playing. He might do something here. What do you think about that?
FERRER: Well, I mean, Judge Perry is a good judge. I know him very well. I teach judges throughout Florida. And I -- he`s a straight up guy. He`s trying to give everybody a fair trial. I mean, if he imposed the death penalty in a case, he felt it was warranted. I`ve impose the death penalty in a case before. And it was because it was warranted.
In this case, I don`t believe she`s going to get it because I don`t think the jury is going to recommend it and he`s not going to override a jury recommendation of life.
BEHAR: Someone told me this past week, we`ve been covering this a lot, that no mother has gotten the death penalty who killed her child, because they`re obviously psychotic, these people.
But this woman, her name was Judy Buenoano, and she was convicted of killing her husband and son both in 1984. 1984. There`s a picture of her. She got the death penalty.
FERRER: Yes. Jurors generally don`t like to send women to the death chamber unless they`re, you know, monsters like Wuornos, the serial killer. They certainly don`t like to send young women to the death chamber and they certainly don`t like to send young attractive women to the death chamber.
So I just don`t see her getting it, but today she probably got as close as she`s going to get because when you watch her demeanor while they`re playing lies after lies after lies, she starts to shift into that crazy monster category.
BEHAR: You know, what you just said is so astounding to me. So if you`re ugly, not only will you not get a better job or a better life, you`re also going to be put to death because you`re not pretty. It`s unbelievable.
FERRER: How do you think I feel? I`m a guy. They send guys to the death chamber all the time, so.
SMITH: Yes.
BEHAR: Wow. That is.
SMERLING: It`s interesting.
BEHAR: Boy. OK. We`ll have more on the Casey Anthony trial in just a minute. Thank you guys very much.
That`s unreal. Isn`t it?
ANNOUNCER: Coming up later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the one and only Robin Williams.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: When the cops found out that Casey didn`t report her child missing back in 2008, they arrested her for child neglect and obstruction of justice. Her bail was set at $500,000. And lucky for her, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla bailed her out.
But a week after she was released, Padilla decided he was no longer on her side. Here now to tell me why he changed his mind is bounty hunter Leonard Padilla. And back with us is psychologist Kathryn Smerling.
Leonard, why did you bail her out in the first place?
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, to be honest with you, I`d been involved in things of this nature, not on this scale, here on the West Coast for 30, 35 years. And some of the people in New York in the media know about me, and it`s just like the -- the Australian girlfriend, when we found her boyfriend was alive and hadn`t fallen off of a boat, and other people like that.
Well, friends of mine called me and said, hey, are you going to do anything on this? I said, what`s it about? So then I got to watching the TV, they sent me and some clips and one thing and another. And I really got to believing, as well as some of the people on my team, that this young lady, all she did was take her kid out of town, hide him from the grandparents, and if we go back there and bail her out, which I thought $500,000 was an outrageous bail for the charges.
BEHAR: Yes.
PADILLA: . she`ll take us right to that child and, hey, we`ll be national heroes.
So we headed for Orlando. And the first thing we had was a problem with some of the local people in the industry because, why are you coming from California to bail her out? Well, at the time the local bondsmen didn`t want to bail her out because they hadn`t finished that $200,000 licensing of pictures. They didn`t have no money to bail her out.
I paid my nephew the $50,000. He`s a bail agent. He posted the bond. And she was out. It was only a short amount of time before law enforcement said there was human decomposition in the trunk of the car.
Very seldom does.
BEHAR: So that -- did that change your mind? That changed your mind, Leonard?
PADILLA: Well, I sat there that day, and my partner Rob Dick says to me, OK, do you have an exit strategy? And I says, well, we thought the child was alive, that was the purpose of us being here. Let`s see what happens.
Well, as it was, we were taken off the hook by law enforcement because on Friday, after the decomposition statement was made law enforcement arrested her on the hot checks.
What happens is nine out of 10 times the surety company that backs these bonds, they all take a wait and see attitude, let`s see what happens, until the dust clears. So they revoked the bond.
We used that as an excuse to, hey, the bond is revoked, if you want to get out again, you`ve got money now, Cindy and her attorney were negotiating a $200,000 deal with Jim something or other. And so we said, hey, we are bailing out of here and more power to you to get another agent.
BEHAR: OK. All right. So do you think she is guilty?
PADILLA: Here`s what she`s guilty of. She was out of Xanax, didn`t have any money to buy it, and she had been putting her baby to sleep with "Xanies," or Xanax. They call them Xanies back there. And she didn`t know how to do it because she had to go to Lazzaro`s house that night after she got into that big fight with Cindy.
Which, incidentally, Cindy didn`t testify to that. I don`t know if it`s because it doesn`t do the prosecution any good to have people think she ran out of there in the middle of the night, and George didn`t see her walking out with the child the next day.
The defense certainly doesn`t want to bring that up. So I think they`re both sitting on their hands on that particular issue.
She put her to sleep with chloroform, not realizing the dangers of chloroform. She had learned how to make chloroform, possibly even used it once or twice before.
BEHAR: Mm-hmm.
PADILLA: But it was no secret that she used to put her to sleep with Xanax tablets.
BEHAR: But before -- just before, I was talking to somebody about the fact that she called the nanny "Nanny Zanny." That`s interesting that he now says that they call them Xanies. What do you make of that? Anything?
(CROSSTALK)
PADILLA: It`s a coincidence.
BEHAR: It`s a coincidence, yes.
What did you want to say, Kathryn?
SMERLING: It might not be such a coincidence. It might have been a familiar saying for her. So it just rolled off her mouth easily as everything else does.
BEHAR: Yes.
SMERLING: I think that.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Go ahead. She`s a pathological liar, the girl.
SMERLING: Yes.
BEHAR: Leonard, you agree with that, right?
PADILLA: Yes. Absolutely.
Now, let me tell you something that`s really coincidental. On the 17th, her child is already dead. She`s not driving her car because the child is in the trunk of her car. She`s driving Tony Lazzaro`s Jeep. It has got New York tags.
She goes to a friend of hers house that morning. He`s too busy to mess with her. She goes to Dante`s apartment at the Sawgrass. While she`s there she looks over there, and this is Casey, she looks over there, she says, oh, there`s a car with New York tags, I`ve got a car with New York tags that I`m driving, it looks like a Ford Focus because Ricardo Morales had a Ford Focus, a silver one, just like that.
BEHAR: Yes.
PADILLA: She keys in on the fact that there`s a woman, two kids, goes in. She knows the manager there at the Sawgrass. And she picks up on the name. Zenaida. Zanny.
BEHAR: OK.
PADILLA: Total coincidence.
BEHAR: All right. Can you hang in for a second? We`ll have another short break.
PADILLA: You got it.
BEHAR: Another short segment right after this quick break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back talking about the Casey Anthony trial.
Now, Leonard, I understand that you spent some time with the Anthonys. Kathryn actually told me that. What was it like?
PADILLA: Well, it was a very stiff situation at the time, which obviously, you know, under the circumstances it was Cindy running the show constantly. But it`s kind of she was trying to put together a "Leave It to Beaver" home.
But let me bring in something in here that exonerates George from having anything to do with the disappearance of that child.
BEHAR: OK.
PADILLA: The day after we bailed that girl out, he bursts into her room and says, what have you done to my granddaughter? I want to know, I want to know now.
BEHAR: Oh.
PADILLA: At which time Cindy and a friend of his that was a retired policeman from Ohio where he had worked had to come in there and physically restrain him and drag him out of the room.
BEHAR: Wow.
PADILLA: Her statement to him was, why don`t you act like a father for once in your life instead of a cop?
BEHAR: Oh. That`s very interesting information.
PADILLA: Yes. Now, these are things.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Leonard, what about these abuse allegations that we keep hearing about against George?
PADILLA: No.
BEHAR: I assume that you don`t believe them?
SMERLING: I don`t either.
PADILLA: No, do not believe them. George is not that kind of guy. Me and George had some arguments. We had some serious set-tos. But never would I ever believe that. Obviously, you never know.
BEHAR: You never know.
PADILLA: But I`ll tell you, that is not -- no, that is not in his character. We had some nose to nose confrontations. That is not in that man`s character. His granddaughter was the biggest thing in his life. You ask anybody in that neighborhood.
BEHAR: Well, his granddaughter was.
PADILLA: And they`ll tell you that.
BEHAR: The allegation is that he abused Casey, not the granddaughter. So, I mean.
SMERLING: Right.
PADILLA: No, I understand that.
BEHAR: When somebody says, Kathryn, like Leonard just said, it`s not in his character, does that make sense to you? Because I don`t think that you can tell when someone is abusing their children. A lot of times it`s a big -- you know, put on a different face.
SMERLING: You never know what`s behind closed doors. But you do see some indication of body language that I have not seen in George. George looks to be terribly upset. And when he finds out that his daughter really knew what was going on, he displays real emotion. There is nothing in his character.
BEHAR: Sounds like he was pretty enraged.
SMERLING: I think he was enraged. I think that he has had -- he has seen Casey do bizarre things before.
BEHAR: Yes.
SMERLING: And I think in his heart of hearts he absolutely knew that she did something.
BEHAR: OK. Leonard, what do you hope happens to Casey? Now, you`ve been around the block a few times with this. So what do you hope happens?
PADILLA: Not my first rodeo, I`ll tell you that.
BEHAR: Yes.
PADILLA: Five to 10 years in prison, but she`ll never be -- there`s something up there -- OK. I use the word "insane." And the other day I was corrected. But let me tell you, if it ain`t about Casey, it ain`t about nobody else.
She don`t care if the world stops spinning tomorrow, but it has got to be about Casey. You`ll hear her in some of those discussions talk about Caylee, and she`s sitting there like, hey, why is this all about Caylee, what about me? I`m the one that`s -- you know? And that`s the way she always was.
BEHAR: Pathetic. It`s.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What you say, it`s a narcissistic disorder.
(CROSSTALK)
SMERLING: It definitely has elements of narcissism.
BEHAR: But some people would say, you know, a child who responds like that, the girl, Casey, could be feeling that her parents didn`t love her and that this is all about that. I mean, you could make that case for her.
SMERLING: Well, there is a saying in.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Which is why she`ll only get five to 10 maybe.
SMERLING: Right. And there is a saying in family systems therapy that says "either repeat or repair." So you repeat the same things that your mom did to you.
BEHAR: That`s right. The abused become the abusers.
SMERLING: Exactly.
BEHAR: OK. Thank you guys very much. We`ll be right back.
ANNOUNCER: Tomorrow on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, legal analyst Dan Abrams drops by to look back at this week`s electrifying Casey Anthony trial.
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BEHAR: When he was growing up, Robin Williams was a self-described shy, quiet kid. But just like dabbling in lesbianism, it was just a phase.
ROBIN WILLIAMS, ACTOR: Wow.
BEHAR: The Oscar-winning actor and comedian is currently starring on Broadway in "Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo," which I saw, and it`s great. You should go see it. And he`s here with me now. Robin Williams. Applause, applause. OK.
So I came to see you in the play.
WILLIAMS: Dabbling in lesbianism. I mean, what are you, sisters of Sappho, unite. Now. Dabbling in lesbianism. Are you a cunning linguist? Call this number.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You know, a lot of women do just --
WILLIAMS: Dabble.
BEHAR: They dabble.
WILLIAMS: And a lot of men do, too, but they go, hey, I didn`t perform a homosexual act. No, Elton John is a homosexual act. You just blew that guy. It`s OK. I`m dabbling. You`re dabbling. Dabbling where? I don`t want to know.
BEHAR: There`s another thing that`s going on. A bunch of lesbian mothers. They`re really married to men in the suburbs. Are cheating on their husbands with women and then going back. It`s like the opposite of what men do.
WILLIAMS: Well, welcome. Fair play.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I know.
WILLIAMS: Mary, where were you? Guess what? We both like vagina.
BEHAR: That could get them together in a way.
WILLIAMS: In a weird way, that could bring them together, going where were you?
BEHAR: Tell everybody how I got you on the show. Because you`re a big coup. Or as --
WILLIAMS: I`m glad you --
BEHAR: One time, I`ve got to tell you this. Merv Griffin was introducing Ava Gabor, and he said one of the biggest coups in the neighborhood.
(LAUGHTER)
WILLIAMS: And a warm hand on her opening, ladies and gentlemen.
BEHAR: That`s a great story.
WILLIAMS: That`s like Queen Victoria. She wrote a book called "Balls I Have Held." Talking about great parties she --
BEHAR: Really?
WILLIAMS: I don`t now. Oh, I held a lovely ball the other day, and it was Albert. Oh, stop. You got me to come on the show because they had a thing after Bengal Tiger doing -- for Broadway Cares. And you were bidding for coming up on stage to take a picture with the crew -- with all of us on the cast. And you paid 600 bucks. And for that, I`ll do your show.
BEHAR: I basically bribed you.
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: But for a charity.
WILLIAMS: For a charity.
BEHAR: But I really appreciate you coming. Because you don`t do a lot of TV.
WILLIAMS: No.
BEHAR: You`re a big movie star.
WILLIAMS: Oh, thank you.
BEHAR: You are. We were just going over some of your movies. You`ve done incredible movies, Robin.
WILLIAMS: Yes, there have been some interesting ones.
BEHAR: What was your fave?
WILLIAMS: I think "Dead Poets" was probably my favorite, just to get started with the idea of doing a movie that people treated as more than a movie. I once met a guy who said, I gave up my job at Sears and became a teacher because of you. I went, I hope things are going well.
BEHAR: I wonder.
WILLIAMS: yes. And then "Awakenings" and "Fisher King." And then the animation, "Aladdin," it`s always fun because it`s so much fun to do.
BEHAR: And "Popeye."
WILLIAMS: "Popeye" was great. It was just weird, we got to the end of the movie and they ran out of money. They pulled the plug and all the special effects people left. And it was a bit like Ed Wood. Shelley Duvall is in the water with an octopus with nobody to run the octopus, and she`s going, oh, help. And the octopus tentacles are going -- oh, help.
(LAUGHTER)
WILLIAMS: And I`m joking, but Robert Evans (ph) says, and he`s a little bit coked up at the time, going, how do we end the movie? How do we end the movie? And I`m going, well, I could walk on the water like Jesus. He went, yes, great idea. We ended up doing it in the movie. He was like, yes, let`s do that. That would be great. Get him off me! I never did any blow. I did a little toot, but never any blow.
BEHAR: What about "Awakenings," that movie about dead people -- no, they were not dead.
WILLIAMS: They weren`t dead.
BEHAR: They were not dead, what was it?
WILLIAMS: That`s called get up.
BEHAR: They were like catatonic.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Well, they suffered from a disease called encephalitis lethargica, which was like a flu that swept through Europe and America and it rendered people -- and they thought they were catatonic. They thought they weren`t conscious, but the truth is they were -- it had attacked the lower functions, but they were actually aware, but like in almost like a dream state. Billy Connolly said they should have called the movie, "Get up, wake up, you." And the weird thing is, a lot of them went under when they were like 16, and then they -- Oliver brought them back out with this drug called l-dopamine when they were like in their 80s. But a lot of them thought they woke up when they were 16 and thought they were 16-year-old boys again, and immediately started hey, how are you? That scene wasn`t in the movie.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: I don`t know if you can pixelate that.
WILLIAMS: What`s he doing now? That`s not mine, Mr. Wiener. That`s not mine.
BEHAR: I was just thinking of him, too. Isn`t that funny? I free associated right to him.
WILLIAMS: It`s easy to do. Even Freud`s going, take anything off the top shelf.
BEHAR: You know what he did, right?
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. Supposedly he said someone hacked his Twitter account and they got a picture of him in tighty whities, but he`s going -- I don`t know -- he`s basically saying, was it really well endowed? No, it`s not mine.
BEHAR: Well, you know, Whoopi today was talking about it, and she was saying you could Photoshop anything. He could have been in trousers and they just put him in that -- do you think that could have happened?
WILLIAMS: Photoshop? Photoshop? Then why not put a smiley face on it? Oh, look. It`s little rumple foreskin. What are you doing?
BEHAR: But they basically could have done that. They could have, you know--
WILLIAMS: They could have done 100 different things. They could have actually had (inaudible) or made it slightly -- two of them. Which would be like, wow.
BEHAR: But the thing about him is that he was tweeting all these young girls. Maybe that`s a mistake.
WILLIAMS: Just a touch.
BEHAR: I mean, you are a congressman.
WILLIAMS: There`s nothing that goes unnoticed in this age. You are a congressman. And the idea of like, don`t do that. I only tweeted once. I tweeted "I`m on the road." And I went, that`s it, I`m done.
BEHAR: That`s it.
WILLIAMS: Because the next tweet is "I know, I`m right behind you." Twitter leads to stalkers.
BEHAR: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: But there`s people who are masters of -- people who are masters of tweets, like Steve Martin, Albert Brooks, Garry Shandling. They know. And it`s great short form comedy.
BEHAR: Yes. That`s true.
WILLIAMS: But you can`t imagine Shakespeare tweeting to be or not to be, smiley face.
BEHAR: No. But speaking of that, I took a picture with you one time that if that got out -- look at this picture.
WILLIAMS: What is the picture?
BEHAR: Look at that. Can you see it? That`s us on the left.
WILLIAMS: Wow. Yes.
BEHAR: And I forgot that I did that. I molested you at Comic Relief.
WILLIAMS: That`s why I`m here.
BEHAR: So it wasn`t just Broadway Cares.
WILLIAMS: And that was your hand, right?
BEHAR: Yes, it was.
WILLIAMS: Hey, Manuel, are we having a good day? Let`s do this again. Are we going to tweet? Why, I only have one hand left. Maybe not.
That was quite a lot of typing in the early days online on the porn sites was so bad because people could only use one hand. What are you doing?
BEHAR: Let`s watch a little piece of your stand-up.
WILLIAMS: Oh, cool.
BEHAR: OK?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: And you Twitter. Twitter. Or tweeting. It`s not the root word. It`s not twit. It`s tweet. OK, cool. Is it rude to Twitter during sex, to go omg, omgwtf, zzz, is that rude? Is there something called clittering where you play with a little button on your Blackberry? What are you doing? I`m clittering.
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BEHAR: So you don`t tweet anymore?
WILLIAMS: No. I mean, I think there should be a thing of either like a little application on your phone that if you try to take a picture of your genitals, a little cock blocker app, the phone goes no. Like a moral GPS. They should have a moral GPS like a moral compass, a moral GPS that will go "up ahead, a girl the same age as your daughter. Reroute."
BEHAR: Very good.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Moving away now. Do not talk to her. Warning. Warning.
BEHAR: That would be good.
WILLIAMS: Moral GPS. That would be like something that just goes do not do that now. This will make the headlines bad for you.
BEHAR: Now, what do you think about Sarah Palin and Donald Trump had a pizza dinner the other night?
WILLIAMS: That`s a Democratic wet dream.
BEHAR: It is.
WILLIAMS: That`s like do it, go for it. My lawyer had a great line about Donald Trump. He said he was a guy who woke up on third and thought he hit a triple.
BEHAR: They said that about George Bush too.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, that whole thing--
BEHAR: The lawyer didn`t make that up, Robin.
WILLIAMS: No. Oh, no. It`s like the line that was out there about everybody. And it was like that with her when she wrote a book. I went looking for it and I couldn`t find it. I looked in fantasy, I looked in fiction. I wasn`t--
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BEHAR: But here is the thing about her. Because she went into New York City and she was wearing a Jewish star. Look at this. This is a picture of her with a Jewish star on.
WILLIAMS: That`s one of the signs of the apocalypse.
BEHAR: But you know what? If you want to be Jewish in New York, you have to do this outfit. See that? The Hasidic picture? There it is.
WILLIAMS: It`s a new version of Yentl called rentl. She has payot`s envy.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: How about this one? She wants to go to the Muslim community. She should go with a chador (ph).
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: Burka girls gone wild. Where are you going, to the Gaza strip club? What are you doing?
BEHAR: And then we have if she goes to the "Jersey Shore."
WILLIAMS: This is there. Sneaky. That`s another character. What`s her -- hey, look, it`s sneaky. I can`t believe she came here. More poof. More poof.
BEHAR: Did you see what happened to Snooki? She was in Florence and she banged into a police car and they had to take her in.
WILLIAMS: She banged into a --
BEHAR: Yes. And the cops are in the hospital. She`s a menace to society.
WILLIAMS: Her hair hurt them. They go -- [ speaking foreign language ] -- she broke the window on the car. The hair went into the car, broke the window. Look, it`s the soundtrack from the "Wizard of Oz." What is she -- who`s in the hospital, the cops?
BEHAR: The cops were in the hospital.
WILLIAMS: She ran into a cop car?
BEHAR: Yes. They were actually escorting her and she ran into their car.
WILLIAMS: She ran into their car?
BEHAR: Yes. She`s a piece of work.
WILLIAMS: Well, she deployed the air bags already. Good night. Thank you.
BEHAR: Now, another thing that`s happening is I don`t know if you know about this, Glenn Beck is going off Fox. Did you know that?
WILLIAMS: No.
BEHAR: Yes, he`s gone. Do you like him? Do you ever watch him?
WILLIAMS: I never saw him. I just saw there used to be this guy, Reverend Gene Scott, which used to do wild stuff, but he was just -- he would just sit there with a little special coffee cup and just be -- he would just -- I`m going to do this again. I`m going to diagram the Bible. Basically as if the Bible were written by people on mushrooms. And he would go, I`m going to read this passage of the Bible again and again until I get $20,000.
BEHAR: Really?
WILLIAMS: Yeah. But when I watch Glenn Beck, he would just go off on things. You want to have that "Face in the Crowd" moment, which I guess he finally had where he just said and said stuff that people went, OK, that`s a little too crazy for us.
BEHAR: Even Roger Ailes said it was too much.
WILLIAMS: Yes. At that point, you`re going, you know, even old Germans are going, you must relax.
BEHAR: We have a lot more to talk about.
WILLIAMS: It`s time for us to play (inaudible).
BEHAR: Robin is staying for two more segments.
WILLIAMS: Two more segments!
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do I do? Do I just stand here like an object?
WILLIAMS: No. You do an eclectic celebration of a dance. You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse. You do Martha Graham, Martha Graham, Martha Graham. Or Twyla, Twyla, Twyla. Or Michael Kidd, Michael Kidd, Michael Kidd, Michael Kidd. Or Madonna, Madonna, Madonna. But you keep it all inside.
All right. Just work on that. I`ll be right back. It`s looking wonderful, though.
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BEHAR: That`s the brilliant Robin Williams in "Birdcage," one of my favorites.
WILLIAMS: (inaudible), Robert Wilson? You`re one of the people who say yes, you`re Robert Wilson!
BEHAR: I`ll never forget. What`s his name?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: So what about Lady Gaga? Do you do Lady Gaga?
WILLIAMS: I finally was watching the Monster concert the other night. The amazing thing is she`s a great musician and has a great voice. I was just saying, you don`t need the solar hat. But she`s a great performer. She`s just in that phase of now all this stuff. And eventually you`re just going to just see her playing the piano and just blowing the doors off the place.
BEHAR: But she has a style.
WILLIAMS: Oh, totally.
BEHAR: Is it like Madonna? She gets accused of being a ripoff here and there.
WILLIAMS: It`s just -- I mean, if the people are ready for, I guess - - it`s big time. I mean, she does stuff -- she wore an outfit that I went, wow, you`re wearing an entire vagina. That is -- she came on stage --
BEHAR: What about the meat dress?
WILLIAMS: I just saw the one that she wore on Saturday Night Live, which looked like -- even dead Egyptians went, it`s too much.
BEHAR: Mubarak.
WILLIAMS: You don`t need this. You`re reflecting. The light is reflecting. It`s crazy.
BEHAR: What was I going to say to you? She -- I had interviewed her on the other show I do. And she was saying that she was bullied as a child.
WILLIAMS: You can see that.
BEHAR: Were you?
WILLIAMS: Yes, I was picked upon briefly for -- like sixth grade wasn`t good. I was called leprechaun, which was kind of like -- it`s great if you have a pot of gold, but if you don`t, screwed.
BEHAR: Why were you called leprechaun?
WILLIAMS: I was little.
BEHAR: Oh, because you were little.
WILLIAMS: Little.
BEHAR: And hairy.
WILLIAMS: I wasn`t hairy back then.
BEHAR: You weren`t that hairy then?
WILLIAMS: Then I`d be called rhesus. What do you mean? Ah, ah, ah - - I was actually hit on by Coco the gorilla.
BEHAR: I can see that.
WILLIAMS: She tried to take me in the back room, and the trainer said, if she takes you back there, I can`t help you. And she`s like -- yes. She wanted to take me in the back there. I was like, she was going, mm, nice, I like him.
BEHAR: You`re so funny all the time. Not all the time.
WILLIAMS: Not all the time, no.
BEHAR: Not in bed with a woman, right?
WILLIAMS: No. Is this thing on? You were great, but did you see the first show? You know -- ah, ah. Come on, play with it, talk to it.
BEHAR: You`re really --
WILLIAMS: I`m going to have an orgasm as Chris Walken. I`m arriving now. Was it good for me? Yes.
BEHAR: You know, it was really interesting to see you on stage. That was the first play you`ve ever done?
WILLIAMS: No. I did "Waiting for Godot" at Lincoln Center, which was great.
BEHAR: Really? Was that a commercial success?
WILLIAMS: As always. It was a musical. We called it "Waitin`." No, it was with F. Murray Abraham, Steve Martin, Bill Irwin (ph). It was a pretty crazy production. It`s written to be like two comics in purgatory.
BEHAR: I saw it.
WILLIAMS: You saw the one--
BEHAR: I felt like I was in purgatory.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: No, I`m kidding. It was good. I liked it.
WILLIAMS: But it was all -- it`s all -- it`s meant to be like -- it`s like Laurel and Hardy in hell.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: What do we do now? Don`t go. And another pile of dung.
BEHAR: You kept calling him Godot. Now I remember the play. "Waiting for Godot." Why are you --
WILLIAMS: Because that`s how I think the pronunciation that Beckett wanted.
BEHAR: Oh.
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: Everybody else says Godot.
WILLIAMS: Some.
(LAUGHTER)
WILLIAMS: The French don`t. They say Godot. The Germans, Godot.
BEHAR: What do you think of that case in France with that Strauss- Kahn guy?
WILLIAMS: I think it`s just pretty -- I think--
BEHAR: Why do they like maids? Schwarzenegger likes maids. Strauss- Kahn attacked a maid. This other, this other bargain (ph), this other Egyptian attacked a maid.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: At the Pierre hotel.
WILLIAMS: I think it`s that weird entitlement. I think it`s almost medieval in a way. They think of you as a servant. You`re mine. You know, it`s--
BEHAR: You`re mine.
WILLIAMS: I mean, that`s insane, but you think -- someone said that he was also taking a Cialis, so he thought hey -- and someone -- or that he interpreted that she was like a call girl doing night maid -- call girls don`t bring mints. Hello. No, you know you want me. You want me in the worst way, which is in person. You want a hairy old, very wealthy French man, huh? I control the euro. I don`t care. I`ve got to go home.
BEHAR: That`s right.
WILLIAMS: It`s nuts.
BEHAR: It`s nuts.
WILLIAMS: But with Arnold, you know, with Arnold, you know, first of all, when he married Maria, he was trying to create the uber-Kennedy.
BEHAR: That`s right.
WILLIAMS: And for years, I thought he was sucking the Kennedy out of her. Slowly but surely. I`m finally becoming a Kennedy by assimilation. And she just got thinner and thinner and thinner.
BEHAR: Yes. And what about ten years, he was sleeping with this housekeeper, in their bed for ten years.
WILLIAMS: Ooh.
BEHAR: And the housekeeper, listen to this, would dress up in Maria`s clothes and put on her makeup and her jewelry and everything.
WILLIAMS: Even Freud at that point goes, new dealer. Even a therapist goes, here`s your money back. I`ve got to go.
BEHAR: That really is a dealbreaker, right?
WILLIAMS: Ooh. Big-time.
BEHAR: And what`s up with Schwarzenegger, that he thought that was OK?
WILLIAMS: He was like, I`d get away with it as long as I could right now. And my uncle used to be -- he wasn`t in the SS. He was just in catering. Kurt Waldheimer`s (ph), Waldheimer`s (ph) is you forget everything before 1945. I was in the forest, hiding with squirrels. I was a nutsy (ph). What are you saying? I never did steroids, I was just on severe vitamins. I could open a door with my nipple. What are you doing now to me? Why do people think that I wouldn`t do this now? The weird thing. Look at all my history.
BEHAR: We`ll have more with Robin in a moment.
WILLIAMS: Be right back.
BEHAR: Don`t leave.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Don`t leave.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the crazy and funny Robin Williams. This is your dramatic Broadway debut, even though "Godot," "Waiting for Godot"--
WILLIAMS: Godot or Godot.
BEHAR: That was sort of dramatic, but it was funny.
WILLIAMS: It was under Broadway, it was near Broadway.
BEHAR: Oh, but this is your first time on Broadway, the "Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo."
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: And you play a tiger.
WILLIAMS: Yes. I play basically a tiger and then become the spirit of the tiger after that. And it`s pretty crazy, I get to kind of evolve quickly over the period of the play. It`s pretty wild. The play ends very kind of dramatically and very kind of quiet and intense. The thing that sometimes you get that moment where the end of the play I`m saying rules of the hunt, don`t move, don`t make a sound. And at that point, a cell phone goes off, and it`s the soundtrack to "Deliverance." Everything in my body just wants to go, it`s going up your ass, you`re going to squeal like a fax machine. And you`re going no, you`re in a play, can`t do it, can`t say anything.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: The audience when they talk, or the candy (ph) or--
WILLIAMS: No, you can`t really. I mean, most of -- sometimes you look out and you see people -- people take pictures sometimes in the middle -- even though they say do not do this, ladies and gentlemen, but still people go, (inaudible). But that`s the weird thing, you`ve just got to stay with the play, because the play, you know, if you break out of it, it ruins it for people.
BEHAR: Do you get any -- we have to do this now, I`m sorry to have to break into this conversation, but I`m going to be doing something for the--
WILLIAMS: ASPCA.
BEHAR: ASPCA, but you can see Robin Williams in the play "Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo" on Broadway right now. So go and see it.
But before we go, I just want to mention that tomorrow I`m appearing at a ASPCA cat abduction event here in New York. Robin, you can play a tiger, help me out with this, do the sound effects. According to the ASPCA, four million cats enter shelters every year. Now, I`m a cat owner. My cat`s name, Benito Pussolini.
WILLIAMS: Wow.
BEHAR: And I`m partnering--
WILLIAMS: It just stands in the balcony, going "que face?" (ph). Hey, everyone, we`ll have a clean litter box.
BEHAR: And partnering with the ASPCA and Fresh Step Litter to try to get as many cats adopted as we can. So head to the Fresh Step Facebook page and click like. And if you do it by July 31st, Fresh Step will donate $1 up to $100,000 to ASPCA to help cat adoption programs like this one. So if you`re in New York tomorrow, come see me at the ASPCA adoption center, 424 East 92nd Street at 1:30 p.m. And at night, go see Robin Williams in "Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo."
WILLIAMS: "Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo."
BEHAR: Make it an all-feline Friday.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Isn`t that a beautiful thing?
WILLIAMS: And we segued into pussy.
BEHAR: We actually did.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Thank you so much for coming.
WILLIAMS: Thank you, baby.
BEHAR: He`s wonderful. And thank you all for watching. I hope you had fun tonight. Good night, everybody.
WILLIAMS: Pick up a cat on the way home, ladies and gentlemen. Pick up a cat.
BEHAR: Pick up a cat.
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