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Nancy Grace

More Jailhouse Tapes Played for Casey Anthony Jury

Aired June 03, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death, but her own father, ex-cop George Anthony, shows up with Caylee`s dead body. And instead of calling 911, George hides Caylee`s body, leaving it to rot.

Tot mom also claims father George and brother Lee both sexually molest her. And her lover reveals when Caylee goes missing, tot mom spends the whole day laid up in bed with him. After the defense fights tooth and nail to keep it out, hours of tot mom`s jailhouse videos played before the jury, hours of tot mom`s intricate lies to cover 2-year-old Caylee`s murder played out loud.

Bombshell tonight. The jury sees secret jailhouse videos where tot mom goes viral (ph), screaming she, tot mom, is the victim, not Caylee, and whines her family`s having homemade chili while she`s behind bars, complaining her life has been taken away, not Caylee`s. Tot mom rants about a "People" magazine piece about Caylee. And when rumors of an accidental drowning in the family pool come up, tot mom totally dismisses it with a snide, sarcastic remark.

As George and Cindy offer to take themselves and their whole family underground and into protective custody in order to find Caylee, tot mom wants us still to believe grandfather George Anthony set up Caylee`s death to be a murder. This as lead defense attorney Jose Baez caught outside the courthouse smiling like a movie star, posing for photos, one female fan on each arm.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Mom! Can someone let me -- come on! I`m going hang up. I`m going just to walk away right now. Let me speak for a second. Dad, I let everybody talk.

I`m not in control over any of this because I don`t know what the hell is going on!

I`m so beyond frustrated with all of this.

I know that the most negative stuff that`s being said, and it`s sickening, it`s disgusting. And people really need to get a life. Right now, I`m so hurt by everything, I don`t even know what to say.

I can`t even swallow right now, it hurts.

I can`t even think straight at this moment.

I`m just as much of a victim as the rest of you.

Life`s not fair. People aren`t always going to be nice.

If they have nothing positive to say, they need to shut up.

This is the most agitated and frustrated that I`ve been.

I`ll try to help them in whatever that I can, but if they come in here attacking me, they`re not getting (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Sorry.

My entire life has been taken from me!

I know in my heart, Mom, I know in my gut she`s all right. I can feel it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. The jury sees secret jailhouse videos where tot mom goes viral, screaming she, tot mom, is the victim, not Caylee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Do you think that she could be out of the country or anywhere?

CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t want to...

CINDY ANTHONY: I know.

CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) going through the same thing...

CINDY ANTHONY: I know.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... that (INAUDIBLE) Please stop it!

Do you understand how I feel? Do you understand? Everybody wants me to have answers! Do you really understand how I feel in this? I don`t have any answers because I don`t know what`s going on.

I`m frustrated and I`m angry.

I have no one to talk to!

I don`t want to be one of those thousands of parents that has to deal with the possibility of never seeing their child again.

I have no one to comfort me but myself!

I need to be looked at as a victim.

I sat with Jose and I watched that episode of NANCY GRACE and stuff that was being said about Mom and being said about me.

Other outside forces, again, they`re going to feel dumb when all of this all comes back and Caylee`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

CASEY ANTHONY: The truthful thing is that I have not seen my daughter. The last time that I saw her was on the 9th of June.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what happened to Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure you do.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live here outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest at the end of the courthouse day. And what a day it has been. The jury sees more of those secret jailhouse videos. And this time, we hear George Anthony suggesting that he would take himself and his whole family underground and into protective custody in order to find Caylee. That was a big no from tot mom. And not only that, we hear tot mom describing how she`s the victim, not Caylee.

We are taking your calls live. Out to Robyn, Walensky, reporter, WDBO. Robyn, what a day in the courtroom. How is the jury responding as all of this just poured into evidence?

ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: Nancy, I was sitting in the front row when these three videos were played. And I have to tell you, in video number three, the one you`re referencing, where she gets all frustrated with the parents -- Nancy, it`s all about her. She`s the victim. And one of the jurors -- at least one, possibly two -- I remember them looking up from their monitors and then looking at Casey Anthony for a reaction, and she`s sitting there like stone.

GRACE: Describe tot mom`s reaction for the viewers, Robyn.

WALENSKY: She basically has no reaction during this. The only time she ever really cries in court, Nancy, is when it`s all about her, when she sees herself crying. But today, when this is going on, when she`s acting like the victim in this third video, which is a month into her lockup -- she`s been locked up at this point for a month -- you can see her on the tape visibly getting angry, frustrated with the parents. Yet she`s sitting in court like she`s another person, like it`s her twin sister.

GRACE: What we are showing you right now is tot mom as she heard this jailhouse tape played. You`re hearing it just as the jury did. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: I need to be looked at as a victim because I`m just as much of a victim -- OK. (INAUDIBLE) a minute. I`m just as much of a victim as the rest of you. And it hasn`t been portrayed that way and it probably won`t be. But I know that and at least there are other people that know that and understand that.

CINDY ANTHONY: I was in Lake County two days ago.

CASEY ANTHONY: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: Is there anything there?

CASEY ANTHONY: Mom! Jesus! I`m sorry. I love you guys. I miss you.

CINDY ANTHONY: All right, sweetheart. Here`s Dad.

CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m going hang up. I want to just walk away right now because...

CINDY ANTHONY: Please don`t.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m frustrated and I`m angry. And I don`t want to be angry. This is the first time I`ve truly, truly been angry this entire time. But I`m so beyond frustrated with all of this that I can`t even swallow right now, it hurts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is so convincing. Straight out to Brian Russell, Dr. Russell, forensic psychologist joining us from Kansas City. Brian, it`s so convincing when she describes her anger, so angry she can hardly swallow at the way she is being portrayed. It`s all a lie, Brian.

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. And it`s amazing to some of our viewers to watch her go into such elaborate detail with the police about the Zanny the nanny story, for example. But for somebody like me who deals with sociopathic personalities all the time, it really isn`t surprising, Nancy, because they are absolute experts at -- they are Academy Award-winning actors and actresses who just didn`t go into the acting field.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight out of Las Vegas, renowned defense attorney Richard Herman. Also tonight, defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions, Alan Ripka joining us from New York. And out of Orlando, Judge Alex Ferrer, host of "Judge Alex."

OK, let`s hear it, Richard Herman. How badly are these tapes hurting the defense?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: These tapes are so devastating to the defense, Nancy, that now at this point, there is no way Casey Anthony can take the stand in the case in chief. She cannot do it. They have to abandon the physical abuse claims, and they have to just concentrate on the forensics right now and concentrate on the meter reader because these tapes are devastating.

Baez obviously didn`t listen to them. He didn`t prepare for this. They completely undermine his stupid, idiotic opening! And they have to abandon that now and concentrate on the junk science. That`s the only way they get a hung jury in this case. They cannot get an acquittal.

GRACE: OK, I`m going to ignore the junk science comment when we know that some age-old scientific methods have been used, such as the hair, Caylee`s hair in tot mom`s trunk, with a death band around it. But that`s a whole `nother can of worms, Herman. I`ll come back to you on that.

But what about it, Judge Alex? What about her being forced to take the stand to tell the jury she has been a child molestation victim, but now that the jury has seen these, has seen these tapes, can she take the stand and withstand cross-examination?

ALEX FERRER, HOST, "JUDGE ALEX": Well, I agree with Mr. Herman that these tapes are devastating. And I always felt that her defense was never going fly. It just was not credible, the way she laid it out. Is she going to take the stand? She might still anyway. She`s such a perpetual liar that she might think that she can spin another story that they`re going to believe, get up on the stand and cry like a baby, and the police - - sorry, the jury will believe, We haven`t seen her cry the whole trial, so this just finally be the truth. So who knows? She might actually do it.

GRACE: OK, Alan Ripka, what about it?

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The fact of the matter is, we don`t really know what her motivation is or what she`s thinking when the tapes are happening because she doesn`t know they`re happening and she`s talking to her parents. So who is she really fooling?

I think the big thing here is her that defense attorney did not analyze these tapes and make a motion way early on to the court indicating that they were more prejudicial than probative and they could not be played for this jury without there being damage done that should not be done.

GRACE: OK, well, here`s...

FERRER: They would have come in anyway.

GRACE: ... the deal. Yes. Who just said that, Ferrer or Ripka?

FERRER: I did, the judge.

GRACE: OK. Yes, the judge.

FERRER: They would have come in.

GRACE: OK, Judge, you`re right.

FERRER: The judge would have weighed it.

GRACE: I was just analyzing that earlier. Here is the lowdown on that. Baez screwed up. He just made the objection in the last 48 hours. It was supposed to be made in December. So the judge let it all in. But the standard on appeal is exactly what Judge Alex said. Would it have changed the outcome at the end of the day? The reality is, there`s no legal reason to keep these tapes out. So even if he had objected in a timely manner, which he did not, they still would have come in.

And speaking of the defense, OK, Clark Goldband, please tell the viewers what we observed today outside the courthouse.

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Well, Nancy, the court had just taken their break around lunchtime. You and I were in front of the courthouse, standing there, Nancy. It was the afternoon recess. And as Jose Baez and his defense team walked from the courthouse onto the sidewalk, some apparently fans spoke with him, holding cameras. He was smiling. They asked if they could take some pictures with him, and he gladly obliged, Nancy. He had one lady around each arm.

GRACE: OK, we`re walking by the courthouse, and here comes Baez, walking out like the king of the courthouse. He looked like a movie star - - sunglasses, million-dollar smile. People were in line to take photos with Baez. He had one female fan on each arm, big smile on his face. You`d never know anything had gone wrong in the courtroom.

We are live here outside of the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of Casey Anthony, tot mom, in the murder, the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: All of us have joined a life club, and that`s a club of missing children. That`s a club that I didn`t want to join, I know you didn`t want to join. We didn`t want to see Caylee being a member of that club. But we are. (INAUDIBLE) When you get out and Caylee`s with us, we`re going to be more proactive finding missing children, no matter who it is. All of us are going to do that.

CASEY ANTHONY: Absolutely.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: It was the first time that I truly, truly broke down. And it hurt, and I`m still recovering from that, hearing about the fact that Mom was making chili and there`s probably a bunch of people in the house.

I have a Bible. It`s on my bed, actually. I sleep with it there. I don`t move it from that spot unless I`m reading it, and I put it right back to where it belongs because I know I need that by my side at all times.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl. And today, torpedo to the defense as more secret jailhouse videotapes poured in for the jury to hear.

To Natisha Lance, in court all day. Natisha, what else did you observe? And what did George or Cindy Anthony do when the jury sees tot mom saying, I`m the victim here?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the monitors are right above where George and Cindy Anthony are sitting, and they`re looking up at those. And when Casey Anthony made that statement, I am just as much a victim as any -- as the rest of you, George Anthony gave a little bit of a grimace. He breathed out a sigh.

GRACE: Also with us today, Diane Fanning, author of "Mommy`s Little Girl," in-depth research into this case. Diane, thank you for being with us. Let me ask you a question. You have a theory that tot mom attempted several times to bury Caylee`s body. Explain.

DIANE FANNING, AUTHOR, "MOMMY`S LITTLE GIRL": Well, when you look at what forensics uncovered in the back yard, you see a couple of different places there where someone attempted to use a shovel, scrape marks, dig marks. Nothing deep, but it appeared as if she was contemplating that as where she would leave Caylee`s body.

GRACE: Now, how do you fit that in with the forensic evidence found in the trunk and when the smell of a corpse began to emanate from the trunk?

FANNING: Well, that assumes that Casey was thinking during this process. And I`ve had -- I`ve seen no indication that she really thought anything through.

GRACE: That could explain, under your theory, Diane Fanning, why a cadaver dog hit in the back yard.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: I have (INAUDIBLE) that she`s OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: OK. And your gut tells you that she`s close or some - - she`s hiding?

CASEY ANTHONY: She`s not far. I know in my heart she`s not far. I can feel it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ANTHONY: You know, it goes without saying, you know, that our house is empty without both of you there. It`s empty. All the little things that we took for granted, we miss them so much.

CASEY ANTHONY: That`s exactly how I feel!

GEORGE ANTHONY: All your little things and all her little things. It hurts. (INAUDIBLE) not there. Mom and I are just going through the motions, you know?

CASEY ANTHONY: The night when I told Mom I couldn`t be in the house, I knew that I couldn`t be there and see that she wasn`t there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I just wish you could have came to me sooner.

CASEY ANTHONY: I wish I could have come to anyone sooner. I wish that -- like I said, that none of this would have happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony. She`s on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, Caylee`s body found months later. Now almost three years to the day Caylee went missing.

To Ellie Jostad. Everyone, we are taking your live calls. But first to Ellie. Ellie, also during all of this, you see George Anthony talking about, We`ll go into protective custody. The rumor comes up about an accidental drowning in the pool, and tot mom totally blows it off. She goes on to tell George Anthony what a great father and grandfather he`s always been. None of this is consistent to the bombs the defense dropped in opening statement.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, you`re right, Nancy. Now, there`s a visit where George is alone with Casey Anthony. You`d think that if they had this secret plan to cover up Casey`s -- or Caylee`s death that maybe we would have gotten some hint of that.

But you know, if you`re looking at these tapes, you got to believe if the defense -- what the defense is saying is true, George Anthony is also a great actor because he`s sitting there describing everything he`s doing -- fundraisers, handing out flyers, everything he can think of to try to find Caylee.

GRACE: And you know, not only that, Ellie -- and I can`t say it enough -- he and Cindy wake up in the middle of the night when they get a phone call that some store has video. They go wait out in the parking lot in the cold until the store opens to watch the video, traveled to Puerto Rico, New York to find Caylee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ANTHONY: We love you. We love her. We want you both home. We want you home. Whatever you can do to help us, you know...

CASEY ANTHONY: But I`ve done everything that I can do from where I`m at. I`m sorry. I`ve done everything that I can.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Listen, we can go into protective custody. All of us can be placed in an area, and the agencies can come up with a plan to get Caylee, get Caylee safely. Believe me, that can happen. That can happen within a matter...

CASEY ANTHONY: I understand that, Dad.

GEORGE ANTHONY: ... of hours. So we just need all the cooperation we can get, sweetheart.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve given you guys everything that I have and some. I mean, I`ve done everything that I can, whether it`s (INAUDIBLE) Lee or with you and Mom, with Jose, with whoever. I can only do so much from where I`m at.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know that, I know that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hear that every day. I know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I said, you know, that the photos of her are beautiful. But when you see her in front of you, the eyes, the expression.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s captivating. Absolutely captivating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has a personality that`s so, so remarkable.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got to get that little girl back any way we can. And we`re doing everything we can.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s my only concern.

GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: My focus is always on my granddaughter. It always will be.

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: What do you want me to tell Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: That mommy loves her very much. And she`s the most important thing in this entire world to me.

Just tell her that I love her and I miss her.

CINDY ANTHONY: Dear lord, please watch over our little girl, keep her safe until we find her.

Are we going to be able to find her, do you think?

CASEY ANTHONY: I hope we can, mom.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She was found. She was found 15 houses from the Anthony home. Her body disposed like trash in a makeshift pet cemetery in a densely wooded area. Just down the street. So today when the jury hears tot mom behind jailhouse walls saying, I feel it, I feel she is very close. She was close all right. Much closer than George and Cindy could have ever imagined.

This while they spent every waking hour, sometimes Cindy Anthony going for days without being able to even eat. She was so distraught. Finally a volunteer of some sort came over and literally tried to spoon feed Cindy Anthony. I think I heard it was pasta to finally get her to eat.

She was so beside herself, every day going out looking for Caylee. George spending his own money for one of those giant signs you put on the back of your car or truck and ride all over the Orlando area hoping somebody would see Caylee and bring her back home.

Only her remains were ever brought home. We are taking your calls. We`re live here outside of the Orlando courthouse where finally justice for Caylee is under way.

To Tracy in Indiana. Hi, Tracy. What`s your question?

CALLER: I wanted to know don`t you think when you`re watching those tapes of her and her brother that, like, deep down he even knows because of the way he keeps questioning her? And then like even her parents, the mom is sitting there saying are we ever going to see Caylee again. It`s almost like that they know but they can`t wrap their heads around it that they like really deep down know that she has done something.

GRACE: You know, that`s an excellent point, Tracy in Indiana, and I`m just wonder if the jurors are latching on to that the way you have because they are not going to be able to have a shrink analyze it for them the way we have, Dr. Brian Russell with us tonight.

To Robyn Walensky, WDBO, joining us at the courthouse, Robyn, explain to those viewers just joining us what Tracy is talking about.

ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Well, basically today, Nancy, this is the day of the videotapes. There have been three videos. One where George and Cindy go to visit Casey when she`s first in jail. Then the second one where George is there, her dad alone. And it`s really amazing. That`s the one that really captivated everyone in the courtroom today.

Where Casey is saying, you`re the best father, you`re the best grandfather, you`ll always be my buddy. I have to tell you, Nancy, that`s what comes to mind is Jose Baez in his opening statement, it`s incongruent.

If you were sexually abused in any way, shape, or form, those words would never roll off your tongue. You know, I love you. You`re the best father. You`re the best grandfather. You`ll always be my buddy. It just doesn`t make sense.

And I think that the jurors will judge this based on a gut feeling just like I did sitting there in the front row.

GRACE: And to Ellie Jostad, also on the case, Ellie, the caller, Tracy in Indiana, is right, it`s as if the parents, George and Cindy Anthony, keep going, are we going to find her? Is she ever going to come home? And they are asking tot mom and she just kind of looks down and goes, I hope so. She has no affect whatsoever, Ellie.

ELLIE JOSTAD, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: Well, right. And they tried a bunch of different avenues to try to get some information out of Casey Anthony. They are asking her, could she be out of state? Could she be in this other county? Is there somebody else you would be willing to talk to?

George Anthony tries to convince her to talk to an FBI agent, Scott Boland. He doesn`t even tell her that he`s an FBI agent. But he just says, this is somebody that has been great to us, you know, maybe you could talk to him, maybe there is more you could tell him.

They are trying to pull some more information out of her but she is resisting at every turn.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Judge Alex Ferrer, host of "Judge Alex," joining us at the courthouse. Alan Ripka, defense attorney in New York. Richard Herman, famed defense attorney, joining us tonight out of Vegas.

OK. Herman, you`ve tried a lot of case, all three of you have. We all know the deal. When you`ve got problems in the courtroom, I don`t recall ever going out for lunch during one jury trial, at most somebody would bring me some crackers because you just are too, at least me, would be too keyed up, too emotional, too worried about the next witness, too tense because this is -- you have got one shot to do it, be it defense or prosecution.

And when we saw Baez outside the courthouse today, Herman, he was smiling, flipped up those sunglasses, posed for photos. There was a line of people, had one female fan in each arm, taking -- I don`t know what kind of publicity shot but fan photos while all this is blowing up in the courtroom. Richard Herman, help me out.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, like you, I persuade the judge, let me stay in the courtroom, have people bring me lunch. I don`t even want to leave my seat there. Because you have one shot. Baez`s conduct is so outrageous. I don`t know if he`s like giving them an ineffective assistance of counsel claim here for appeal.

But he is just an abomination. He is not that qualified. He has no right to be in this case. He has not a qualified attorney. And he`s making mistake after mistake after mistake. This conduct outside of the courtroom, I have never seen a lawyer conduct themselves like that in any type of case. It really is destructive for the defense.

ALEX FERRER, HOST, "JUDGE ALEX": Well, I agree with Herman. I agree that -- with Mr. Herman that his behavior is really inappropriate. However, as a judge, what I`m concerned about is not what he does outside of the courtroom, what I`m concerned about is what he does in the courtroom.

And it`s those blunders in the courtroom, the failure to file motions in limine to exclude evidence, that you worry about, because later on it comes back on a post-conviction motion for ineffective assistance of counsel.

GRACE: And to Alan Ripka, joining us out of New York, but the reality is, Alan, let`s just play devil`s advocate. I never thought I would put myself in a position of defending Baez. But when people come up to you outside the courthouse, what is he going to do, push them away. I mean, he was being friendly, it did look bad, but that doesn`t necessarily mean it was bad.

But -- and as to these motions, the reality is those motions would have been overruled. There`s not a reason under the law for those tapes to have been excluded. It just looks bad. I`m more concerned, like both Herman and Ferrer, about what`s going on in the courtroom. Nobody wants to try the case a second time, Alan.

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, first of all, I disagree with my colleagues. First of all, him looking cool, calm, and collected, and confident, there`s nothing wrong with that. However, you can`t forget that this is still a circumstantial case.

And whatever he happens to be doing, the prosecutor has got the burden to show that she did this. And right now we`re dealing with tapes because the prosecutor knows they have a weak direct case forensically.

And so, therefore, Baez is not doing such a bad job up to now.

GRACE: We are live here in the Orange County, Orlando, Courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, at the end of the courthouse day, and taking your calls live.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

G. ANTHONY: You are a great mom. You`re always going to be a great mom. I know that. Your mom knows that. Lee (ph) knows that. Your good, closest, best friends know that.

CASEY ANTHONY: Other outside forces, again, they are going to feel dumb when all of this comes back and Caylee is home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: We`re going to see Caylee. I know she`s coming home. I can feel it.

G. ANTHONY: This is destroying your mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, all of us have joined a life club and that`s a club of missing children.

CASEY ANTHONY: Do you know how much I love you? I`ve always loved you. You`ll always be my buddy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It all began when Casey was 8 years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your brother has just been a marketing genius.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spiteful (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s a very insightful person.

CASEY ANTHONY: I love that built girl again more than I ever thought possible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee Anthony died on June 16th, 2008, she drowned in her family`s swimming pool.

CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE), and it hasn`t been portrayed that way and it probably won`t be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey was raised to lie. This child, at 8 years old, learned to lie immediately. She can be 13 years old, have her father`s penis in her mouth, and then go school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened.

CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, God, I can`t say this enough to you. You`ve done everything that you possibly can and you`re the best father, and by far the best grandfather that I`ve ever -- I`ve ever met. (INAUDIBLE) I mean, that with all my heart. Don`t for a second think otherwise because I won`t let you because it`s not the case. You and mom have always done everything that you ever can to be the best parents and especially the best grandparents.

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GRACE: We are live here at the Orange County Courthouse bringing you the latest. There you were hearing the jailhouse tapes just as the jury heard them in the last hours. First you hear tot mom telling George Anthony what a great father and grandfather he has been, how happy she was. Caylee had, H-A-D, them in their life, this was before her body was found.

And then we juxtapose that against the opening statement by Jose Baez, lead defense attorney, saying how George had raped her, had forced her into oral sex, and sent her off on the school bus, an absolute dichotomy, one that cannot be reconciled.

We are taking your calls. Out to Karen in Texas. Hi, Karen, what`s your question?

CALLER: Yes. I was wondering, has there ever been any tox (INAUDIBLE) or screens done on Caylee`s remains? I`ve noticed that every time that she refers to Ms. Gonzalez, she uses her whole name, but when she talks about the nanny she calls her "Zanny the Nanny," and "Xannie" being a street name for Xanax. And I was just kind of wondering that. And wondering if -- why.

GRACE: Excellent question. As a matter of fact, joining us today, we have not only a medical examiner, Dr. Howard Oliver, but Zenaida Gonzalez is with us.

First to you, Dr. Oliver, joining us out of L.A. At the -- with the degree of decomposition that had occurred to Caylee`s body, is there any way they could have found concentrated levels of Xanax?

HOWARD OLIVER, FMR. DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: The body was skeletonized, as I understand, there would be no way to discover toxicologically any levels of Xanax.

GRACE: To Zenaida Gonzalez, her name is now a household word after tot mom, Casey Anthony, claimed she was the one that stole little Caylee.

Zenaida, thank you for being with us. Ms. Gonzalez, what has life been like for you since this occurred?

ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, FILED CIVIL SUIT AGAINST CASEY ANTHONY: It has been horrible. It has been really horrible. People, at the beginning when it started, people judged me so much and they treated me like I was a kidnapper, like I had done something bad. And anywhere I went they judged me.

GRACE: When you say they treated you horribly, what would they do specifically?

GONZALEZ: They were sending me e-mail threats. I recall one day I was taking my daughter to the hospital, and I had a guy in a pickup truck threatening me, telling me he was going kill me, and he was going to kill my daughter, he was going to do to my daughter what I had done to Caylee.

GRACE: You have had to have your case continued or delayed because of the criminal case. When do you ever think your case will actually go to court?

GONZALEZ: I really don`t know. In reality, I just really want justice. I really want my name cleared. I really want for it to come out of her mouth that she made me up and I never did anything. Never babysitted, never knew her.

GRACE: Where do you believe she got your name? Where did she get your name out of all the names in the world?

GONZALEZ: I don`t know. My personal opinion, I think she got it from the Sawgrass Apartments. I mean.

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GRACE: Where you had gone to look for an apartment and you signed in that registry?

GONZALEZ: Exactly. Exactly. I`ve never -- I`ve never met her. Until today, it has been three years since this case started and I`ve never seen her face to face.

GRACE: And, Ms. Gonzalez, how does it feel now that you`re hearing her claim that little Caylee died accidentally in the pool, and of all the other imaginary characters she has come up with, and you`re just one of them, and your whole life has changed because you happened to end up in the kettle with all of her other imaginary acquaintances?

GONZALEZ: Yes, that`s correct. I mean, it`s crazy to hear it. In a way, I see how and I`m looking at -- you know, I don`t see it every day but the days I do see it, I see how every day is a different lie. You know, her lies are coming out. And justice will be served. I believe in that very much.

GRACE: Well, today those tapes went a long way toward justice for Caylee, the tapes being played in front of the jury of the true tot mom, whether she takes the stand or not.

We are here outside the Orlando Courthouse, but now "CNN Heroes."

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PATRICIA SAWO, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: Back in 1990s I believed that AIDS was a punishment from God. When I tested for HIV positive, it was, oh, my God, how could this happen to me? I fasted and prayed for years hoping I would be healed. When I went public, I lost my job. My husband lost his job. The landlord wanted us out of his house. The stigma was terrible. I realized that I had been wrong.

My name is Patricia Sawo, my mission is to change people`s attitudes about HIV.

All that you need is accurate, correct information.

As church leaders, we need to shepherd the people. HIV is not a moral issue. It is a virus. I do a lot of counseling. When I`m helping somebody else who is HIV positive, I want them to know that you can rise above this.

The 48 children at the center, most of them saw their parents die of AIDS. My HIV status brings some kind of a bond. I provide that motherly love and all their basic needs. HIV is making me a better person. We want to be there for people, so if we have it, we shout it out.

It`s what I want to do, because it`s what I`m meant to do. God has his own ways of healing, so for me, I`m healed.

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GRACE: The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way, finally reality hits, the consequences of murder and the brutal death of 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.

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CASEY ANTHONY: My daughter has been missing for the last 31 days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you know who has her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know who has her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caylee`s missing! Caylee`s missing!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would you lie to me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what was her response?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trusted my daughter with some psycho?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) took her a month ago.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Zanny the Nanny." Did you ever see a photograph of "Zanny the Nanny"?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

She has been missing for a month. My daughter has finally admitted that she has been missing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever speak to "Zanny the Nanny"?

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her. I need to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you had no idea that Zanny was not a real person?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I did not.

There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it an offensive smell?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spiteful bitch (ph).

CASEY ANTHONY: Oh my God. Calling you guys, waste. Huge waste.

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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army Corporal Jeremy Loveless, 25, (INAUDIBLE), Oregon, killed Iraq. An Army medic, awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation, a volunteer firefighter, loved hiking, ice cream, playing with his little girl, leaves behind parents Connie and Mike; brothers Nick and Brandon; widow, Melissa, daughter, Chloe. Jeremy Loveless, American Hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And tonight, a special good night to the New York control room. There they are. Good night, Liz, Brett, Rosie.

And tonight, our thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of William "Bill Fitz" Jr. Fitz passed away May 28th after bravely battling cancer like a giant. A distinguished Army vet, served Roswell police 13 years, DEA task force, and was a U.S. air marshal since 2001, loved golfing and making a difference in the world. He leaves behind parents William Sr., Joan-Ann (ph); brother Thomas; and beautiful daughter Morgan. I remember the first time he ever walked into the courtroom and I put him on the stand. I saw him just recently in hospice. Fitz, good night, friend.

Everyone, we will be live here on Monday outside the Orlando courthouse. I`ll see you Monday night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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