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Nancy Grace
Larry Flynt Makes Casey Anthony an Offer
Aired July 28, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: We begin tonight with breaking news in the case of Casey Anthony. A name many people know well in this country, Larry Flynt of "Hustler" magazine, has just offered Casey Anthony half a million dollars to pose nude! Larry Flynt joins us exclusively tonight to explain why he has made this brand-new offer.
And a new report stating those close to Anthony allegedly shopping a video of her hours after being released from jail with a beer in her hand! That`s right, the video allegedly shows Anthony walking off a private jet, holding a half-empty bottle of Corona, laughing and joking.
But the fun and games -- it may soon come to an end because the costs for trying to find Caylee continue to go higher and higher and higher. And Casey is fighting an order to appear at a deposition where she`ll be forced to testify in a lawsuit filed by the real Zenaida Gonzalez. Why? What secrets could Anthony be hiding? Is she trying to get out of giving a free interview before she cashes in?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After almost three years behind bars, she may have toasted to her freedom with a beer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is carrying a half-full Corona beer bottle. Her people are selling this video.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How could you try to get rich off of a murdered little girl?
CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: I never once wanted to be on TV.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baez says he is not negotiating paid interviews.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The nonsense stops right now!
CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t want to hear any of this media (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We won, they lost.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Blood money off of the death of a 2-year-old.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey is now getting counseling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must reject them.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve seen every day on the media for the last month.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does Casey want to begin therapy? And he says, Absolutely.
CASEY ANTHONY: Everything else will figure itself out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this 15 minutes of fame so important to you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is Casey Anthony?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s nobody`s business.
CASEY ANTHONY: I just want to be with you guys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re the only ones sticking by her.
CASEY ANTHONY: People want to have their face on the news, want to have their two seconds of fame.
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CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez from "In Session" on the truTV network, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us. We are taking your calls live tonight.
Larry Flynt has just offered Casey Anthony half a million dollars to pose nude. And Larry Flynt joins us exclusively tonight to explain why he`s made this offer to Casey Anthony.
I want to go first to Robyn Walensky. She is standing by live in Orlando, Florida, reporter for WDBO radio. First of all, what is this video? Who has it? When was it shot? And what does it show?
ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: Hey, Jean. Good evening. Well, first of all, TMZ has seen a clip of video, and it was apparently Casey Anthony just hours after she is let out of the jail. And apparently, she has a Corona beer and she`s had half of it. So you know that song, "One bourbon, one shot, one beer" -- she`s -- apparently, that was her first drink of choice.
And then, apparently, she says it on -- the legalese, the words, I concur. Perhaps she`s picked up some legal jargon from her attorneys over the last three years. And then someone is heard saying on the flight, Da plane, da plane. Remember the old "Fantasy Island" in the late `70s, early `80s, Herve Villechaize? Well, somebody says, Da plane, da plane, and then, apparently, everyone who was on that plane, Jean, apparently laughs out loud.
CASAREZ: All right, to Alexis Tereszcuk, reporter for Radaronline.com. (INAUDIBLE) video, well and good, what it shows, what it show -- but are they trying to shop it around for money to get paid for this?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Absolutely, Jean, they are. Her people are shopping it around. They want money for Casey. You know, she is unemployable. They don`t have any money. Her legal debts are huge. There`s the possibility that she may even have to pay for the prosecution. You know, she was found guilty on four counts. She`s going to have to pay the state of Florida back.
So they need money any way they can. And right now, the network deals that they were counting on, they`re falling through. Nobody is willing to pay Casey any money for her side of the story, so she`s got to be something to get money.
CASAREZ: And Robyn Walensky, where was this video shot? I mean, she took off, we believe, on a private lane from Orlando. Where did it land?
WALENSKY: That`s a great question. We still don`t know that answer, Jean. Apparently, it`s some undisclosed location. And only thing we do know is that her former attorney, Todd Macaluso, who owns that airplane is apparently seen on it. She`s with the beer, half full, and apparently the laughter. That`s all we have heard so far. TMZ has not yet released this clip, but we are hearing what`s on it. The location, however, Jean, not yet disclosed.
CASAREZ: And you know, Robyn, what we are hearing is that possibly, it was a location inside the state of Florida that she flew to from Orlando, touching down a bit later, still within that state.
We want to go out now to a very special guest. We thank him so much for joining us tonight, Mr. Larry Flynt, one of the foremost businessman in this country, truly, the founder of "Hustler" magazine and the co-author of the book "One Nation Under Sex."
And I want to ask you about that book a little bit later on, but I first want to talk to you about Casey Anthony. Mr. Flynt, I want to ask you, our sources are telling us that her people are actually the ones that approached you or your people in regard to Casey Anthony being in your magazine. Can you confirm that?
LARRY FLYNT, "HUSTLER" MAGAZINE: No, I won`t confirm what talks that we`ve had. But right after the verdict, I was asked if I wanted to do something. And I felt like a lot of Americans did. Even though I didn`t necessarily agree with the verdict, I thought she might have been responsible for the death of her child, and I just felt that people wouldn`t necessarily want to see her with her clothes on or off. So I kind of forgot about the idea.
But I just recently got off a book tour where dozens of people would come up to me in Philadelphia, Austin, Houston, and they`d say, Why haven`t you made an offer to Casey Anthony? You know, Why don`t you want to pose for pictures? And many of them came up and actually would say things like, Look, she`s a really attractive person. You don`t realize this because she`s been in jail. She was in the courtroom, the clothes that she was wearing and all this. A great hair stylist and makeup artist could have her looking, you know, really fabulous.
So I`ve never been one to shy away from controversy because when nobody else in the country would, I published he nude photos of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in 1975, and I made over $20 million off of them. So I -- if something will work, I don`t have a problem doing it.
Now, the offer that we made to Casey through her attorney, the half million dollar payment`s only part of it. We`re willing to pay 10 percent of the profits. So if this thing goes viral, and it could be as big as everybody thinks it would because of how big the trial is, she could make millions, more than`s ever been discussed with her in any other possible interviews that she would be involved in. So...
CASAREZ: Mr. Flynt...
FLYNT: And other people would...
CASAREZ: No, I`m sorry.
FLYNT: Go ahead.
CASAREZ: Mr. Flynt, what I`m hearing you say, you are confirming that there have been talks, is that correct?
FLYNT: Yes. But I won`t go beyond that.
CASAREZ: How soon do you think there may be a deal? Do you see that as a foreseeable possibility here?
FLYNT: I don`t want to second guess that. They`ve got -- they`ve got a lot of things going on, and I don`t know what`s going to happen. But I know they`ve got an important decision to make, and if they`re going to have to -- if they want to get their hands on big money, they`ve got to go through me.
CASAREZ: All right.
FLYNT: Anything else that they get paid will be chicken feed.
CASAREZ: And we are taking your calls live, Larry Flynt joining us tonight exclusively from Los Angeles. The founder of "Hustler" magazine has given an offer to Casey Anthony`s people of not only $500,000 but 10 percent of profits.
I want to go out now to Mark Lippman, the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, joining us tonight from Orlando. Mark Lippman, thank you very much. What would George and Cindy Anthony say about Casey Anthony`s people discussing the possibility of an offer for Casey in this light?
MARK LIPPMAN, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY (via telephone): Well, I was hoping Mr. Flynt would give me an offer first for my pictures of myself.
CASAREZ: Sorry!
LIPPMAN: But other than that...
CASAREZ: Sorry.
LIPPMAN: You know, I -- this is all news. And obviously, Casey`s her own person and she`s maybe making her own decisions, and regardless of what my clients would say or think, it wouldn`t matter. She`s going to do what she wants to do.
CASAREZ: You know, Mark, George and Cindy -- have they spoken to Casey at all yet, as we now are at the end of July? Have they talked to her?
LIPPMAN: Not to my knowledge. I don`t know if there`s been any sort of communication.
CASAREZ: Do you know if they`ve tried to talk to her?
LIPPMAN: Again, last we -- or last I was told was that there was a conversation with Mr. Baez. I had a conversation with Mr. Baez also, that she was safe and that she is moving forward. So anything else, we`re -- we have our own plans and we`re trying to get the foundation up and running, so there`s lots of things going on, and I think that`s taking a secondary place right now.
CASAREZ: But it must be a pain in their heart because I know especially Cindy wanted to talk so much to her daughter because they haven`t spoken with her in so long.
Back to Larry Flynt, joining us tonight. Obviously, you had to, as a businessman, before making this offer, this very serious offer, had to look at the pros and the cons. And there are a majority of people in this country that believe Casey Anthony got away with murder. Did that concern you at all?
FLYNT: That definitely concerned me in the beginning, but I said as a result of the book tour that I`ve been on recently for my new book, people have been coming to me in droves, you know, wanting this. I`ve never seen that happen before, you know, so...
CASAREZ: So you`re saying that people actually come up to you on your book tour, asking you that they want to see her?
FLYNT: They want to see her in the magazine. Why haven`t you made an offer? We can`t understand it. You know, It looks like you would be the one to do it. And I`ve seen that there has been interest in past years about, you know, certain celebrities, but never to this extent. I think a lot of people really think that she is attractive and they would like to see her in that sort of a layout.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see your granddaughter, Caylee, again?
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: No, ma`am, I did not.
Do you think she could be out of the country or anywhere?
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t want to...
CINDY ANTHONY: I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) going through the same thing that it`s always...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is Caylee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I honestly don`t know.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Prosecutors spent thousands of taxpayer dollars investigating the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this because I don`t know what the hell`s going on!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They want some of their money back from Casey Anthony.
CASEY ANTHONY: I mean, really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey didn`t show any obvious emotion as to the loss of a child.
CASEY ANTHONY: I spent the day almost completely by myself!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two agencies spent about $82,000. Prosecutors want Casey Anthony to pay for the investigation and prosecution costs associated with this murder trial.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She did not cry or give any indication she was legitimately worried.
CASEY ANTHONY: With my head under the covers.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace tonight. We`re taking your calls live. Joining us exclusively, Larry Flynt, the founder of "Hustler" magazine. He has now on the table a very serious offer that talks are and have been going on with Casey Anthony in regard to posing in "Hustler" magazine.
Francine in North Carolina. Hi, Francine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Jean.
CASAREZ: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a statement and I have a question. First of all, I think there`s some very sick individuals in the world to want to see Casey Anthony on TV. And Casey was really nobody before the death of her child. So under the circumstances, why would she want to even show her face further on TV?
CASAREZ: All right, some good questions there. To Larry Flynt. First of all, you know, a lot people believe that to sell a story by Casey Anthony, no matter where it is, is sacrilegious, in sense, because it is making money off the death of her daughter. And first let me get your response to that.
FLYNT: Well, look, as I explained in the beginning, you know, (INAUDIBLE) some time since the verdict, I made no contact with her attorneys, made no formal offer because I thought there would be no interest in seeing her in the magazine.
But my mind has been changed as I have traveled the country promoting my new book, and people have been coming to up me by the dozens wanting to know why I haven`t made an offer, and when am I going to do it? And while there may be a group of people out there who think that she`s guilty of murder, you`ve got men that say, Hey, you know, I want to see her in her birthday suit. So there may be some sick individuals, as the lady said, but that`s what life`s all about.
CASAREZ: You know, Mr. Flynt, we did a fast poll around CNN here tonight, and I`ll just tell you generally, the guys here, they think she`s hot. The women are appalled, absolutely appalled. Your circulation, I would say the majority are men?
FLYNT: Yes. Yes, it`s about 90 percent men.
CASAREZ: All right. Want to go to Ellie Jostad, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER. Well, maybe they should entertain all offers that are on the table because the costs are adding up, Ellie. What`s the latest we know about the money that Casey Anthony may be responsible for?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Well, almost $80,000 in investigative costs, and that leaves out the big number that we`re still anticipating, which is going to be the Orange County sheriff`s office. They were the lead agency in this case. They still haven`t released what they think their costs will be.
So she could have to pay that. Remember, she was found guilty on those four charge of lying to police, so the state wants their money back. Their investigation was based on those lies.
CASAREZ: All right, and we`ve got the Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation, $10,645, Florida Department of Law Enforcement almost $72,000, spent on the leads of false Caylee sightings $269,000, jurors and court costs $186,000. It goes on and on and on and on.
To Annette in Vermont. Hi, Annette.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Listen, when they came back with that verdict, I thought that the court was being held on the beach because they had all their heads buried in the sand. Now Larry Flynt, who`s so immoral, is going to pose her in for a nude photo? And he said all the guys want to see her? No, Larry Flynt wants to make his money, his millions off of a person who killed her child.
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CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve (INAUDIBLE) not seen my daughter in five weeks. (INAUDIBLE) because I lied.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find your daughter.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s not going to.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Freedom after three years behind bars.
CHENEY MASON, ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: She`s got a tough road ahead of her and -- but she`ll make it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, people are dying to know her side of the story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The ship has sailed. Bottom line is that`s just tough luck. It`s all over but the crying.
CINDY ANTHONY: It`s OK to cry, Casey. It`s all right, love.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A life tethered to a child.
CASEY ANTHONY: She is my only concern.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or a life free to be 22.
CASEY ANTHONY: Just as she was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a party girl.
CASEY ANTHONY: I think it`s well worth it, well deserved.
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CASAREZ: ... Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Joining us exclusively from Los Angeles is Larry Flynt, the founder of "Hustler" magazine, co-author of the new book "One Nation Under Sex." Mr. Flynt, I want you to be ale to respond to Annette in Vermont because she is very angry, very angry, believing that you just want to make millions from this, from a woman that murdered her child. Your response?
FLYNT: I had the same kind of conversations with people in 1975, when I published the nude photos of Jacqueline Kennedy. They were extremely upset. Majority of the women were. I`m a businessman, and I got to consider making certain business decisions.
Now, you know, I want to be a little bit critical of this program, if I might. You know, you guys are always bringing up about the costs, that the state`s going to come after her, and everybody that`s going to file civil suits and all this stuff. That`s meaningless unless they have a judgment in their hands. And their attorneys are smart enough to know that they can go offshore and film these interviews or do these photo shoots or whatever it is they`re going to have to do, and that changes the whole dimensions of where the money is or how the money can be gotten.
So anybody`s who`s filing a suit, a civil suit, they`re wasting their time. And the state is wasting their time. They`re not going to be able to keep her from getting the money.
Now, what happened to that old adage that it`s better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man to stay in prison? I mean, I can understand why everybody is upset about that verdict. But we don`t have justice in America. We have a shot at justice, and sometimes you get it and sometimes you don`t.
And I`ve spent more money in a courtroom probably than any individual other than a lawyer, and I don`t try to second guess those jurors. And we can`t trash our legal system and try to dismantle it or set it aside just because we`re not happy with one particular verdict. You know, people need to get a life and move on.
CASAREZ: What do you think the fascination is -- very short, we have to go to break -- but with people coming to you in droves that they want to see Casey in your magazine? Why?
FLYNT: That was my big surprise. Why, I don`t know. I looked at her and I never had a desire to see her in her birthday suit, but a lot of people did.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey Anthony getting out of jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey, where is your daughter?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was whisked away after her first taste of freedom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She walked out. She had a sign of relief on her face.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When Casey Anthony found out she was pregnant, she wanted to give up her little girl for adoption.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A friend of Casey`s who was interviewed extensively by the police told them that Casey often talked about what life would be like without Caylee. She said things like she missed partying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are no offers for a book, or a movie or interviews.
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: Anyone that you guys want to bring in, I`ll talk to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first thing she said when we had the meeting was where`s my check?
GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: I know Mr. Baez is working in your best interest.
CASEY ANTHONY: That would be pretty much on the money.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She mentioned that she wish she hadn`t had Caylee because she`s not able to do the type of things she likes to do like go out. In the days after Caylee went missing we see pictures of her partying.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baez keeps very tight reign on Casey.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: He has the lottery ticket.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s just a matter of time before somebody shows enough money to Casey and Jose Baez, and Casey herself decides that they`re going to take it.
CHIEF JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, CIRCUIT JUDGE, ORANGE COUNTY: Your decision and your decision alone?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, sir. She better not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn`t be going on.
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JEAN CASAREZ, HLN GUEST HOST: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. Thank you for joining us.
With us tonight, exclusively, Larry Flynt, the founder of "Hustler" magazine confirming with us in this hour, there have been talks, will confirm nothing else. But in regard to an offer of not only $500,000 for Casey Anthony to pose in "Hustler," but 10 percent of those profits that he believes would amount to a lot of money.
But I want to go back to Robyn Walensky, reporter, WDBO Radio.
You know, when I spoke with Jose Baez several days ago, he was very adamant that he wants Casey Anthony to go down the right road in life. He wants therapy for her, Casey Anthony wants therapy. But now we`re hearing about a video, hours after she was released where she`s got a beer bottle in her hand?
ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Yes, it`s really amazing, Jean, you know. Bottom line is this, in this country and in other countries, sex sells, and if this is the best deal that`s going to be offered you better believe that they are going to go for it.
Because Jose Baez, Jean, you know this. He hasn`t really been paid and his entire staff and everyone who has worked on this case tirelessly for the last three years. And so this is going to be a huge opportunity for dollar bills to come in so everyone can get their take.
So I believe that it`s very possible, Jean, that this is going to happen. And as you were referencing there with the beer bottle, the TMZ has apparently seen this little clip of video, and you see Casey Anthony, you know, laughing, hitting the bottle, having half of a Corona, and someone on the plane yelling, "da plane, da plane," like Herve Villechaize back in the day on the "Fantasy Island Show," making light of it all, making jokes, and then everyone on the plane apparently laughing.
CASAREZ: And I still question, though, whether Jose Baez would want this because I don`t think he would want Casey to go down this road, but as he also told me, she`s her own person, she`s going to do what she wants to do and when she does it.
I do want to go back to Mark Lippman, still with us tonight -- George and Cindy Anthony`s civil attorney.
Have George and Cindy returned from their vacation?
MARK LIPPMAN, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY (via phone): Yes. It was just a quick trip down to Bahamas to diffuse a little bit. There`s a lot of speculation about what was going on but it was a citizen of Orlando who footed the bill and just didn`t know what to do for them, so he decided to take them with him.
CASAREZ: Wow. Did they know these people before they went on the trip with them? Or got to know them there?
LIPPMAN: Yes -- no, they knew them, the people introduced themselves to George and Cindy weeks before this ever happened and there was something that he just felt that he should do for them so.
CASAREZ: Mark, have George and Cindy contemplated at all a wrongful death suit?
LIPPMAN: You know there`s been lots of speculation about that. And it`s -- at this point, there`s been no discussion about it. I don`t know that they want to keep opening up these fresh wounds that this last trial just did for them. But you know, it`s something that hasn`t been discussed yet because this trial is still pretty fresh and things need to settle down a little bit.
CASAREZ: What are their goals with their foundation? What do they want with that?
LIPPMAN: Well, the foundation is -- first and foremost, I just want to make sure that everybody understands that my clients aren`t deriving one red cent from that foundation. There`s been, again, lots of speculation that they were using it for employment or to get money.
But the goal is to basically support grandparents in the state of Florida and then ultimately nationally to get some more rights because right now in the state of Florida, grandparents with regard to their grandchildren have zero rights. And there`s certain situations where we`re getting lots of e-mails and letters where grandparents are running the family and they have their grandchildren at home,
And then the kids come in and take the kids out. And the grandparents can`t even file an action against them because there`s nothing that would allow them to get those grandkids back or even --
CASAREZ: You know, Mark, this is an area in this country, grandparent rights that have to be developed and maybe George and Cindy are the people to do it because in our modern society, more and more grandparents have custody, are raising the children and they don`t have the rights involved. And they have to work like heck to get those rights.
So I think that is great, Mark Lippman. Thank you very much for joining us tonight by phone from Orlando.
I want to go out to Larry Flynt exclusively with us tonight saying that he has made an offer.
Tell everybody again, Mr. Flynt, what is this offer that you have on the table right now with Casey Anthony`s people?
LARRY FLYNT, FOUNDER OF HUSTLER MAGAZINE, JUST OFFERED TOT MOM HALF MILLION TO POSE NUDE: Well, we made an offer of a half a million dollars, but in addition to that, any additional profits, she would receive 10 percent of and the reason why I did that is I`m still ambivalent as to how well this will do.
But in case it goes viral and there`s this huge interest and everybody wants to see the photographs, well, you know, millions could be made, so we don`t know, but I think it was generous of us to put a percentage of the profits in for her because it could amount to a great deal more money.
And one thing I want to say while I`m at it, I didn`t bring this up before because I feel like it`s sort of pandering, but we really did decide before we ever did this that we were going to donate a portion of the profits to abused children and abused children`s shelters. So we intend to put up money for that and that doesn`t change the horrific crime or incidents that`s already happened. That`s created all this grief.
CASAREZ: Did you watch the trial?
FLYNT: Yes, I did. I didn`t watch all of it, but I watched a good part of it.
CASAREZ: All right. Let`s go to the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, senior attorney, National District Attorney`s Office associate, death penalty qualified. Peter Odom defense attorney, and Renee Rockwell, defense attorney.
First of all to you, Eleanor Odom, you know, Larry Flynt is right, because the judgments are not had at this point, the cases are in their infancy, but if there are judgments, there are a lot of moneys that Casey Anthony will be responsible for.
Do you think, though, that we`ll see another O.J. Simpson scenario where the Goldman family for years and years and years have been trying to find the moneys that O.J. Simpson had and they still haven`t done it?
ELEANOR ODOM, FELONY PROSECUTOR, DEATH PENALTY QUALIFIED: I think we very well could and Mr. Flynt made very good points of how you can hide money and how -- if there`s even a judgment, the collection of the judgment is the difficult part.
And in many civil cases that would be the tough part. So it wouldn`t surprise me at all to see a civil suit filed but then some if they`re successful with that to have trouble just collecting on it.
CASAREZ: You know, to Peter Odom, defense attorney, the national networks are -- it is believed possibly negotiating fees for licensing fees, although ABC News has come out saying that they will no longer do that. But you can`t tell me that a network news interview would be in the realm of what this could be that Larry Flynt is offering?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think many of the networks feel as if they -- they want to appear to be above the fray and above this sort of sensationalistic news but they know that they`re going to make millions of dollars off an interview, so, you know, they`re walking that tight rope.
I think I feel like many Americans feel that we don`t want to see Casey Anthony profit from the death of her child, but we also want to see those that suffered because of her actions be recompensed for that so, you know, there`s a -- there`s a tension there.
CASAREZ: Renee Rockwell, your thoughts?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, now, first of all, Larry, go for it. I think this is a time sensitive offer. I think she needs to do it. I would buy the magazine, it`s the American dream, and there`s money to be made off of it.
You know why? Because what are we talking about? We`re still talking about her. So I`m all for the magazine and the picture, and I think she just writes a check and gets rid of everybody that`s bothering her about the money and the restitution.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Caylee was born, Casey was saddled with expectations.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey and Caylee, we had a very special bond.
CASEY ANTHONY: I just want Caylee back. That`s all they`re worried about right now.
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CASEY ANTHONY: Hey, it`s Casey. My name`s Casey. Casey Marie Anthony. It helps. The exposure has helped.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A fierce bidding war for Casey Anthony`s first interview.
CASEY ANTHONY: Obviously my name was thrown out.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Reportedly stands at $1.5 million.
CASEY ANTHONY: If I want to see my face on TV.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Paid for photos and videos.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And no success with that so far.
CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody has taken us up on that. Hey, it`s Casey. Keep talking to the media and stuff about me, that means to be the main focus. What about me?
CASAREZ: You don`t want to look, you know, you shouldn`t look.
CASEY ANTHONY: The pictures -- the (INAUDIBLE) footage that they have.
CASAREZ: But you do.
CASEY ANTHONY: Pirate. Just one more question, are there cameras in all of the rooms or just some of them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just have no freaking clue.
CASEY ANTHONY: I want to see my face on TV.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
CASAREZ: I want to go out to Bethany Marshall, joining us from Los Angeles, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers."
Bethany, if someone is a victim of sexual abuse, dysfunction, but everything that we believe the defense has said about Casey, are they more inclined to do something like pose in "Hustler" or any other magazine?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, if they`re a true victim, yes, I mean victims often become hyper sexual in their adult life. But I don`t think that`s what`s in operation here. I mean I think this is really -- you know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
This is somebody who really wants to make money and her defense attorney knows that he can help her do it. And I want to tell you that Alexis Tereszcuk has just told me that she would be willing to pose for Larry if she could do the first interview for Casey Anthony.
But I do think -- I`m joking. But I do think the big challenge for this is not going to be the pictures. The challenge is going to be the interview because what we might see with Casey Anthony is that she`s going to start to pull a Joran Van Der Sloot.
You know Joran Van Der Sloot, once the interviews started, started breaking about the crimes, and he talked about the crimes in infinite variations and none of the variations were true. So if we think about Casey Anthony, I mean, it`s not just the pictures that could go viral, it`s all the stories she`s going to start to tell and that is what is going to gal the victims -- sexual abuse victims, the family, people involved in this case, is when she profits psychologically off of the interview by grandstanding in front of the readers and bragging.
That`s what we`re going to see.
CASAREZ: Well, time will tell with all of that because Joran Van Der Sloot, boy, we`ve got his number, right? We know all of the stories that he has said.
MARSHALL: Yes.
CASAREZ: Lisa in Canada, hi, Lisa. Good evening.
LISA, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hi.
CASAREZ: Hey.
LISA: Thank you for taking my call.
CASAREZ: You`re welcome.
LISA: I`m really upset that Mr. Flynt is ready to offer Casey Anthony some money for this. But you know I just wanted to ask him, is he taking or offering this because Mr. Hefner showed that he was a gentleman and declined giving her an interview or posing for any pictures? Is he showing how morally bankrupt he is?
CASAREZ: All right, Lisa in Canada, thank you for your comment.
To Larry Flynt, I think what Lisa in Canada is referring to is that Hugh Hefner has said that "Playboy" would not give Casey Anthony an offer. Your response to that?
FLYNT: Mr. Hefner is 86 years old, and he`s still living in the 1950s (INAUDIBLE) looking at the Marilyn Monroe centerfold. He was never really able to grow with the times and that`s why "Playboy" has all the problems they have. But I`m not interested in bashing Hef now.
I would like to make a comment on paying for a story or a photograph. Just because you pay for something doesn`t mean that it`s not truthful. A lot of main stream media, they`re opposed to checkbook journalism because they`ve been in their ivory towers for so long that they really can`t connect what`s going on as far as the up swell in the media.
CASAREZ: Well, that`s interesting and that segues me. I want to talk about your book right now, "One Nation Under Sex."
Mr. Flynt, I want to tell you that somebody on the staff here with Nancy Grace`s show actually has read your book cover to cover. They say it`s really good. Obviously it`s about sex. But can you tell us a little bit more what`s in that book?
FLYNT: Well, I -- when I decided to do it, I wanted to know if the sex scandals that ingested into our political culture today existed at the founding of our nation. And surprisingly they did. I mean Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton or whoever. And we -- me and my co-author decided that there`s a sex scandal about every six months.
So people need to not have such a knee-jerk attitude about sex because none of these presidents that we have followed through history, their sexual life had absolutely nothing to do with their ability to run the country. So I don`t know why people should always be judged in this way.
CASAREZ: So what you`re saying is this is a serious book. This is an historical account of behind the scenes or the back story sexually as our country has developed. And I believe you wrote it with a professor from Columbia University.
FLYNT: Yes, David Isenbach. But the thing that we wanted to do and that our publisher wanted us to do was to be able to connect the presidents, the first ladies, the mistresses, and the lovers that these relationship actually affected policy and politics. And we were able to do that.
Sex -- other than the desire for survival, sex is the strongest single desire that we have. So as a phenomenal part of our life, so we`re not doing very much to understand it any better. But I think we could.
CASAREZ: All right. Let`s go out to Pat Brown, criminal profiler joining us tonight from Washington, D.C.
Your thoughts on this entire hour in regard to what is a very serious offer and a confirmation by Mr. Flynt that there have been talks with Casey Anthony`s people on her posing for "Hustler."
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Well, Jean, I don`t know, but I am the only person on this show who needs a barf bag really? I mean I don`t understand why we need a morality lesson or a lesson on ethics from Larry Flynt. I mean yes, he is a businessman, but he is a businessman, second he`s a scumbag first.
I`m sorry, but all this crap about oh, I didn`t even think about getting any money from this, well, you didn`t -- sure, he did. He always knew from the beginning this would be a big money-maker, but no, he was very ethical until some sleazy people walked up and said, hey, I want to see that babe naked, and suddenly for the good of the nation, he`s going to make a pile of cash.
I mean this is just despicable. I`m sorry, I just -- I want to go home and take a shower.
CASAREZ: To Renee Rockwell, let`s play devil`s advocate. It takes two to tango. Why do we fault Mr. Flynt if they want to talk with him?
ROCKWELL: I`m just surprised because he absolutely has the right to publish this. This is America. And anybody that doesn`t capitalize, Casey Anthony included, on this time-sensitive offer is crazy. So I`m just surprised that Pat would go there.
And Mister -- let me tell you something, Mr. Flynt. I`m going to buy the magazine and I wish I could buy -- have a copy of the magazine where Jackie O was published. So there you go.
CASAREZ: Larry Flynt, are we going to get a story, too? Is there going to be an article or would it just be the photos?
FLYNT: A story is not in the mix now. I don`t think that they want her talking. And I believe you understand why.
CASAREZ: Would it be a deal-breaker if she won`t take her clothes off?
FLYNT: No.
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CHENEY MASON, CASEY ANTHONY`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The good part is, is she`s gone.
CASEY ANTHONY: This is seriously the first time that I`ve been angry.
MASON: There`s nobody will find her.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Mason hopes she will also be free from what he calls Casey world.
CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t even know what to say.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We hear that Casey was spotted getting off a private plane, half empty bottle of beer.
JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Blah blah blah.
CASEY ANTHONY: Wow.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And the video is basically as she`s exiting the plane, and as she`s getting out of the plane, it may be the one thing the public at large doesn`t want to see her do right now.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He may have (INAUDIBLE) her freedom with a beer.
CASEY ANTHONY: Would be pretty much on the money.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
CASAREZ: So that is right. Reports are saying that Casey Anthony hours after she was released was spotted getting off that private plane with a beer bottle in her hand walking and saying, I concur, which is a legal term.
Want to go out to Vicky in Florida. Hi, Vicky.
VICKY, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi. I have a couple of questions. And a couple of comments. You`ve had some good people on there tonight. The one that talked about the barf bag. I agree with her 150 percent. The lady that talked about the jurors that had their heads in the sand -- I live in Florida and Larry Flynt is out to try to make money. He`s a businessman. But please. I hope the state of Florida pickets his office, wherever his office is.
CASAREZ: All right, Larry Flynt, let me ask you. What is your circulation in a normal month for a good magazine? And what do you think your circulation could be with Casey Anthony inside?
FLYNT: We count our Internet activity. It`s over two million. It could be three or four times that depending on how successful the photos were.
The comment the lady made about I`m out to make money, what`s wrong with that? I thought that was always invoked (ph), you know? .
CASAREZ: All right. Very, very quickly. Lisa in Michigan, we`re running out of time. Do you have a very fast question?
LISA, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Yes. Hi, Jean.
CASAREZ: Hi.
LISA: One comment. I just wanted to say if Casey did not do this, if she did not kill her daughter, why hasn`t she ever once said we need to find the person that killed my daughter?
CASAREZ: You know, Lisa --
LISA: You know where is my daughter?
CASAREZ: It`s a good question. It`s a good question and that`s one we all want to know.
Thank you to our guests tonight.
And let us stop to remember Marine Lance Corporal Stephen Johnson, 20 years old, from Marietta, Georgia. He was killed in Iraq. He was awarded the Purple Heart, the Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal with Valor and Good Conduct Medal.
Stephen loved being outdoors, spending time with friends and family. Especially his niece and two nephews, and his cat Deuce. He dreamed of attending college in Georgia after serving his country. He leaves behind his parents Lynn and Stan, sisters Olivia and Elisa, and brother Phillip.
Stephen Johnson, an American hero.
Thank you so much to all of our guests tonight. For you being at home with us.
A very special happy birthday to one of our stars, Lee of the show.
Happy birthday, Lee.
See you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp. Good night, everybody.
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