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George and Cindy Anthony Divided on Verdict

Aired September 19, 2011 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: We begin tonight with breaking news in the Casey Anthony case. For the first time since Casey Anthony is acquitted of murder, George and Cindy take to the airwaves to talk about sitting in the trial of their daughter, Casey, the brutal death of their 2-year-old granddaughter Caylee.

New, shocking revelations from George and Cindy about a secret meeting behind closed doors held shortly before opening statements where it is revealed only to Cindy Anthony for the first time in three years that Casey Anthony claims Caylee drowned. Lead defense lawyer Jose Baez purposely, the couple says, leaves George Anthony out of that meeting. But why?

George Anthony says to set him up, grandfather George lashing out at the defense, insisting the defense knew from day one that they were going to point the finger at him, and also says the first time he hears in court the shocking sexual abuse claims against him, George Anthony wanted to jump over the railing and get face to face to confront Jose Baez. Grandfather George also lashes out at the theory he found Caylee dead, took her tiny body in his arms and helped cover it all up.

Tonight, grandparents George and Cindy Anthony react to the verdict, the sexual abuse allegations, and why Casey Anthony sobbed in court when those sexual molestation claims by George were alleged in court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: I gave up my daughter. I don`t like what she`s done to this family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted over my chest, or if I had on a regular bra, it would be unhooked. I think my dad used to do the same thing to me."

GEORGE ANTHONY: I was hurt deeply to think my daughter could even concoct does like that.

JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: She could be 13 years old, have her father`s penis in her mouth and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened!

GEORGE ANTHONY: For him to say that specific opening statement that he said -- oh, no, that was an extremely low blow.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I told my mom about it two years ago. Her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest -- `So that`s why you`re a whore.`"

PHIL MCGRAW, HOST, "DR. PHIL": Do you know to the absolute core of your heart that this man never molested your daughter?

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Absolutely, because if I knew that, I would have either killed him myself or had him arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First degree murder, not guilty. Aggravated child abuse, not guilty. Aggravated manslaughter of a child, not guilty.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, my gosh, my daughter is going walk out of here and I`m never going to know about Caylee. I felt she needs to have something to be held accountable for.

MCGRAW: You wanted them to find something against her.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I did. That`s being truthful. That`s being honest.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" on the truTV network, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us. We are coming to you from Los Angeles, California. Tonight, the stunning interview from George and Cindy Anthony.

For the very latest, let`s go straight out to NANCY GRACE producer Natisha Lance. Natisha, you and I sat in that courtroom together. We heard the evidence. We watched George Anthony sit in his seat with a Bible on his lap. What did George Anthony say was his reaction physically and emotionally when that verdict was read?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Jean, one verdict after another, he heard "Not guilty," "Not guilty." And he said that his heart sank. He said that he couldn`t believe it, he felt sick. And finally, when that aggravating child abuse charge, not guilty for that one, he thought, My God, she`s going to walk free and he`s never going have any answers about what happened to Caylee. He also said that he felt like Casey Anthony needed to be held accountable for her actions, whatever they may have been.

CASAREZ: And what did Cindy say? What was her reaction to that verdict?

LANCE: You know, completely opposite here, Jean. Cindy Anthony felt relief. She said this was the answer that she had prayed for. If Casey Anthony was found not guilty, then she wasn`t responsible for Caylee`s death. So she 100 percent believes the drowning theory, that Caylee Anthony drowned in that pool, and that Casey Anthony was there. But she doesn`t believe, on the other hand, that George Anthony was there.

CASAREZ: Completely opposite ends of the spectrum once again, George and Cindy. I want to go out to Robyn Walensky, anchor/reporter from TheBlaze.com. Riveting revelations. We never knew this before, Robyn. There was a secret meeting before the opening statements, several weeks before this case began in trial, but only Cindy was invited?

ROBYN WALENSKY, THEBLAZE.COM: That`s right, Jean. Amazing that Jose Baez only called Cindy Anthony to the meeting and not George. And it`s clear from this point that Jose Baez had this big bull`s-eye on George Anthony. He was going to throw him under the bus and then have a mack truck or a freight train run him over, which is what they did in court with this sexual abuse allegation and the pool drowning theory.

And Cindy Anthony says that she was called to that meeting alone. So the bottom line there is, is that George Anthony found out about this strategy through his wife, Jean.

CASAREZ: To Steve Helling, staff writer for "People" magazine and the author of a brand-new book on the Casey Anthony trial, "Outrage: The Casey Anthony Story." Steve Helling, why wasn`t George Anthony invited to that meeting, from all you know from the defense?

STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE, AUTHOR, "OUTRAGE": Well, can you imagine inviting George to the meeting and saying, Oh, and we`re going to do this and you`re going to be in the crosshairs? You know, it just made sense for them just to invite Cindy, and then, of course, Cindy could relay the messages to George. It was just kind of self-preservation on the defense`s part.

CASAREZ: Steve Helling, the defense alleged in good faith, we must believe under the law, that Caylee Anthony drowned. If that was the case, why not invite George to tell him also the truth of what happened?

HELLING: Well, I think for whatever reason, they decided it would be safer, it would be easier, it would just be part of their strategy to kind of spring that on him later. He doesn`t know everything that went on in that meeting, and maybe -- who knows what Cindy told them.

CASAREZ: All right. Let`s go out to the lawyers, Kirby Clements, defense attorney joining us from Atlanta, and Lauren Lake, defense attorney joining us from New York.

All right, Kirby Clements, a secret meeting held before this trial began to let Cindy know that Casey wanted to tell her and only her that Caylee drowned. Why three years in the coming, and why get all the way to a death penalty trial?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, number one, you`re not going to have a defense by committee. So you have to wait, look at what the evidence that`s being developed by the prosecution is, and then at that point, you start preparing yourself. First you defend, then you prepare for an offense. So that`s why you wait.

Why it was a death penalty trial, that was a decision the state made, a wrong decision, we see. But you know, you -- the defense can`t be blamed for the state`s decision in this case.

CASAREZ: But Lauren Lake, defense attorney joining us out of New York, why didn`t the defense talk to Cindy at that meeting about the sexual molestation claims that they were going to make at trial? Because she could have agreed with them. They could have had a defense witness in their pocket with Cindy Anthony.

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, what Caylee (SIC) said is that she had already told her mother about those allegations, and she felt like she had been stabbed in heart that her mother did not react well. And it`s not the defense`s position to have to tell everyone what the strategy will be, what evidence will come out in court. They can`t do that because we know that she would run right back and tell George, and then they could formulate whatever story they wanted to formulate.

Now, we don`t know whether this is true or not, but that`s not the defense`s job, either, to hook her up to lie detector tests. They took what she said as truth, and in good faith presented it in court.

CASAREZ: Everyone, we are coming to you from Los Angeles tonight. We are taking your calls. George and Cindy Anthony speaking for the first time about the trial, the verdict, the sexual molestation claims.

I want to go out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You know, all eyes are focused on Jose Baez, now the opening statements. There was no evidence of a drowning, of sexual molestation. But you know what George and Cindy are forgetting, Marc Klaas? They`re forgetting Casey. Casey wrote in the letters that George had molested her, that Lee had molested her. That`s how this all started.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Sure, it is. And I find it absurd that anybody would be -- that anybody, the defense included, would take anything that Casey had to say at face value.

This is an entire family, this is an entire trial that has been based upon nothing but lies, and everybody seems to buy into it from every level. And they get to play it out and they get to be rewarded for it. And I personally am offended by everything that comes out of this entire family. I`m sorry!

CASAREZ: You know, we`re joined tonight by a very special guest. It is Pam Plesea. She is Casey Anthony`s aunt, who watched all of these interviews with George and Cindy Anthony. Pam, we`ve got so much to ask you. But before we go to break, your thoughts on what you`re hearing from George and Cindy?

PAM PLESEA, CASEY`S AUNT (via telephone): I believe everything that George said, and I take everything on the other side there with Cindy with a grain of salt. And I think Marc Klaas just kind of said it all for me.

CASAREZ: You know, Pam, one thing that I think came out today that is shocking a lot of people was Cindy saying that, yes, somebody had to be blamed besides Casey, and the defense decided to blame George. She`s throwing her own husband under the bus, Pam.

PLESEA: I`m not surprised because early on, at the beginning of the trial, I had spoke with a family member -- I`m not going to throw them under the bus, but I spoke with somebody who had spoke with Cindy and they had told me that George was going to be thrown under the bus. I was sitting, waiting for it.

CASAREZ: So do you think that Cindy knew ahead of time that George was going to be thrown under the bus by defense...

PLESEA: Yes.

CASAREZ: ... and didn`t tell her own husband?

PLESEA: I don`t know whether she told him or not, and I don`t know whether George agreed to this to save Casey. But I know in my heart that George Anthony is not anything that they said. That man had no reason -- as far as I knew -- and believe me, I haven`t known these people for years, but I know George from the past and he`s a kind, unique (ph) man and he was an ex-police officer. There`s no reason for this to have happened.

CASAREZ: Which is why George Anthony said today that he would never allow an accident to go unreported because you don`t go to jail for an accident.

PLESEA: No. There`s no reason. It doesn`t even make sense.

CASAREZ: Tonight, everybody, it is season 13 of "Dancing With the Stars." Our own Nancy Grace -- we`re so proud of her! She`s dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. That`s Nancy and her partner, Irishman Tristan MacManus, dancing at the offices of TMZ.com. Be sure to vote for Nancy and Tristan. Nancy, good luck!

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: Something tragic happens. We don`t know how we`re going handle it.

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: The family`s broken. We want to have that fixed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This family...

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just leave us alone.

CASEY ANTHONY: Casey Marie Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`d be standing by all of us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They think that I`m a (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) secret (INAUDIBLE)

GEORGE ANTHONY: I want her to be held responsible for my granddaughter.

CINDY ANTHONY: I was elated when all three of them came "not guilty."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re (INAUDIBLE) for this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seeing what my wife (INAUDIBLE) went through.

CINDY ANTHONY: She was gone for 31 days!

GEORGE ANTHONY: If Cindy and Lee have a relationship with Casey, that`s great. I don`t think I can have that relationship again with my daughter.

I didn`t believe anything. I`ve never believed anything the defense had told me. I feel that I`ve been played. She`s been played. I wanted my daughter to have a good defense, but I also didn`t want to be played like a fool.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: You are watching emotional video of George and Cindy Anthony from the "Dr. Phil" show. For the first time ever, Cindy Anthony asked about the allegations the defense made in regard to George Anthony`s sexual molestation, that he was there when an accident occurred, saying the defense had to blame someone other than Casey.

I want to go out to Dr. Helen Morrison, forensic psychologist (SIC) joining us from Chicago. Is Cindy throwing George under the bus by those statements, or was she so trying to save the life of her daughter that that got in the way and blinded her to what was really being done to George? Because that`s her husband!

DR. HELEN MORRISON, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: It may be her husband, but I think her relationship with her daughter was such that she would have done anything to save her daughter, anything, and that would have included accepting any possibility that her husband could have been molesting the child, going along with anything that the defense wanted.

George himself said that Cindy was an easy target. She would be easily swayed and she would also go along with anything anybody said.

CASAREZ: So you ruin one life to save another. OK.

We`ve got callers. Cheryl in West Virginia. Hi, Cheryl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

CASAREZ: Thank you for calling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, you`re welcome. I saw Cindy on "Dr. Phil," and she said she truly believes that Caylee drowned in that family pool. I`m just wondering if that pool is still up because I can`t see a grandmother wanting to look at that every day, knowing she drowned in it. I`m just wondering if anybody knows.

CASAREZ: You know, Cheryl, a lot of people have questioned why they still live in the same home because, think of the memories. Out to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer. Last you heard, was that pool still up in that home?

LANCE: It was, Jean. And even when we were down there for the trial, we had gone past the home and that pool was out there, still living in that home. As far as I know, they plan to stay in that home, which, again is just 15 houses away from where Caylee`s final resting place was.

CASAREZ: Which is another good point. They live so close to it. Robyn Walensky, anchor/reporter from TheBlaze.com, what else can you tell us about George and Cindy`s revelations today on "Dr. Phil"?

WALENSKY: You know, it`s interesting. So many people, Jean, have questioned why the American public thinks that, you know, George Anthony is this shady character. And you know, the bottom line is, Jean -- you and I were there in court. He basically came off in court as a liar when the alleged mistress got up there and said, you know, that they had this affair. She was credible and he wasn`t.

So Jose Baez, all along throughout this whole case, was trying to make the point, Well, you know, because he`s lying about an affair, well, then he`s possibly lying about this whole scenario with his daughter. But just because you`re a cheater doesn`t make you a murderer.

And I thought it was really interesting today in the "Dr. Phil" interview, when you see the two of them sitting there together -- I don`t really think that the two of them have a relationship anymore. It doesn`t seem that way. It seems that they`re together for convenience. And I thought it was really interesting that Cindy just looks just so gullible in terms of all of George`s lies about the gambling, about all -- you know, the alleged affair, and she just comes off as very gullible.

I think that when Dr. Phil says, you know, America wants to shake you up and wake you into reality, Cindy, he really means it. She just comes off also looking like a liar, Jean.

CASAREZ: Which is so sad, Robyn, to me because I want this couple to make it. They`ve been through too much. All they`ve got is each other. That is all they`ve got.

To Kirby Clements very quickly. Everyone confirms that he had an affair with this woman, that he lied on the stand. I can`t confirm that because she got a good sum of money for having a really juicy story for the tabloid media.

CLEMENTS: ... mean that he didn`t also do what the defense said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCGRAW: (INAUDIBLE) molestation argument.

CINDY ANTHONY: Absolutely.

MCGRAW: You didn`t buy that he was there. Did you buy the affair?

CINDY ANTHONY: No. I know he didn`t have an affair with her.

MCGRAW: So that didn`t...

CINDY ANTHONY: It didn`t bother me. I was not worried about this woman at all. Even as vulnerable as George was, he wouldn`t have turned to her.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool.

CASEY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise.

CINDY ANTHONY: I saw George`s emotions when he found out that Caylee was missing.

GEORGE ANTHONY: The person who was in the back of my granddaughter`s (SIC) car`s not my granddaughter!

CINDY ANTHONY: I saw George`s determination for six months to find Caylee.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Got to bring you and we got to bring Caylee home.

How could I have pulled my granddaughter out of a pool, hold her there...

BAEZ: Look what you`ve done! Your mother will never forgive you!

GEORGE ANTHONY: ... give her off to Casey and then go off to work that day? That makes no sense to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: You`re watching emotional video of George and Cindy Anthony from the "Dr. Phil" show today. One other thing that we`re learning from George and Cindy Anthony -- do you remember that opening statement by the defense, where it talked about Lee Anthony, that he had gone into the bedroom, trying to follow in the footsteps of his father? What we`re learning from the couple today, that they believed that Casey Anthony stopped the attacks on Lee Anthony.

I want to go out to Woody Tripp, former police commander, polygraph expert joining us from Atlanta. Woody, Casey Anthony wrote in letters that her brother walked into her bedroom, unhooked her bra, in the morning she`d find that bra up around her neck. So if you are the investigator for the defense and that`s the way it was, how is Casey Anthony going to stop the attacks on Lee before this jury?

WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER: It`s very interesting. And in fact, my question is, is when exactly did she write these letters, you know, revealing all of this in reference to Lee? You know, was it coincidentally during the same period of time as she was -- as this was going on? Was it years before? So there`s a real credibility question.

CASAREZ: I`ll tell you exactly. It was a year before. It was in 2009 that these jailhouse letters were written. And Woody, I can confirm with you that that`s how the defense found out about all this, is through those letters.

TRIPP: It`s very convenient. Here we are, that she`s writing letters now, very convenient for the defense. Again, if Casey`s mouth is moving -- in this case, if her hand is moving on the paper -- she`s lying. It`s just too convenient. It`s just -- it`s too much to fit in for the defense that we all know. It got her off, but we all know how it got there.

CASAREZ: To Marc Klaas. Why do you stop the attacks on Lee, but you don`t stop the attacks on your own father?

KLAAS: Well, they didn`t stop the attacks on Lee. He was accused in open court of having molested his sister. That doesn`t sound like stopping anything to me. That sounds like...

CASAREZ: He was never questioned, though.

KLAAS: ... full frontal -- pardon me?

CASAREZ: He was never questioned. Not one question from the defense to Lee about sexual molestation attempts.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We the jury find the defendant not guilty.

CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) it`s unfortunate (ph).

GEORGE ANTHONY: When the first one came through, I remember I started to shake.

CASEY ANTHONY: Life`s not fair.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Then the second charge came through not guilty.

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s going to blow over.

GEORGE ANTHONY: And the third one came through -- Oh, my gosh, my daughter`s going to walk out of here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. PHIL MCGRAW, HOST, "DR. PHIL" SHOW: Did you want her to take the stand?

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: Would someone let me -- come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His defense is on his death bed.

CASEY ANTHONY: Casey Marie Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`d have to put her on the stand.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think she needs to.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: It would have been very interesting but I think she had been mentally destroyed by the prosecution.

CASEY ANTHONY: I wasn`t sure what I`d say about not knowing where Caylee is.

CHIEF JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, CIRCUIT JUDGE, ORANGE COUNTY: I don`t think it`s any big surprise.

G. ANTHONY: To have her answer some of the things of the particular day of June 16th. Her explanation of what happened on that particular day.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody is letting me speak.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s going believe her when she takes the stand?

G. ANTHONY: They would really would have grilled her.

PERRY: Is it your decision not to testify?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, sir.

JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S LEAD DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Your honor, the defense rests.

G. ANTHONY: But she never had an opportunity to say that.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. We are coming to you from Los Angeles tonight.

That is emotional video of George and Cindy Anthony from the "Dr. Phil" show. George Anthony saying for the first time that when that verdict was announced his body began to shake. Because he believed that she should be found guilty. He wanted answers. He wanted justice for Caylee.

I want to go out to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer. It was also talked about today with George and Cindy Anthony about Casey potentially babysitting for a child that Lee would have with his fiancee, due to be married any time. They also had different answers to that, Natisha.

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Very different answers to this, too, Jean. Cindy Anthony says yes, she doesn`t think there would be any problems with Casey babysitting. She said that she would be cautious. And that she`d suffered enough.

But George Anthony said that t would be up to Lee Anthony and his fiancee, or soon to be wife Mallory. It`s going to be their decision. And he also said that he will not have any relationship with Casey Anthony but if Cindy wants to have a relationship with her, if Lee wants to have a relationship with her, then that will be up to them.

CASAREZ: But you know, Robyn Walensky, reporter -- anchor/reporter for blaze.com, what I found interesting was that George sort of left the door open. We all thought it was a closed done deal with George never to have a relationship with Casey again. But he did leave that door open.

ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Yes, he did, Jean. You know what he said? He said, I love my daughter, I just don`t like what she was up to. Most police officers I know, Jean, are very black and white in their thinking. There`s no gray area. So George Anthony really wanted to see Casey up there on the stand testifying, you know, so they could nail her down for answers to the questions that he never got. Bottom line he loves his daughter. He doesn`t like his daughter.

CASAREZ: Steve Helling, staff writer for "People" magazine joining us tonight.

He doesn`t like his daughter for numerous reasons, one being the allegations of sexual molestation that came in that trial.

To Steve Helling, what was Cindy`s reaction to the allegations of sexual molestation because she believes the defense theory that Caylee drowned?

STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, PEOPLE MAGAZINE: Well, she does believe that but she does not believe that George had anything to do with it. And she doesn`t believe that he molested Casey. She`d said she never believed that for a minute. So at least on that one point George and Cindy are on the sage page.

CASAREZ: All right. We`re taking your calls. Carol in Delaware. Hi, Carol.

CAROL, CALLER FROM DELAWARE: Hi, how are you?

CASAREZ: I`m fine. Thank you for calling.

CAROL: No problem. I just have a question.

CASAREZ: What do you -- yes.

CAROL: I just don`t understand, I feel for the grandparents because they got to deal with this. Watching their daughter walking around, not feeling a thing about the granddaughter. How can anyone feel anything if you`re guilty and -- I have two kids of my own and I could never do anything to my children.

I`m sorry. I just wouldn`t be able to live with myself. I don`t understand how she`s living with herself. She`s out. She`s free. I just -- I just don`t understand how she can live with herself.

CASAREZ: So you`re talking about Casey right now, how Casey could be living with this and dealing with this.

Let`s go to Dr. Helen Morrison, clinical psychologist, forensic psychologist joining us from Chicago.

How does Casey deal with this? We know that she`s attending grief counseling sessions but how do you live with throwing your father under the bus, trying to throw Lee under the bus, because that affects those lives forever if we believe it`s not true as Cindy Anthony confirmed with us?

DR. HELEN MORRISON, M.D., FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST, AUTHOR OF "MY LIFE AMONG THE SERIAL KILLERS": But nobody has ever talked about the fact of whether Casey Anthony had a true attachment, emotional attachment to anyone in this family. If you look at this family, they are the most bland, non- emotional expressing people.

People blamed Casey Anthony for not showing a lot of emotion. She shows more emotion than either of these parents did. And if you don`t have a real attachment to somebody, how do you mourn something? You don`t. Group therapy for what? She`s to learn to how to adjust to life after jail?

That has nothing to do with whether or not she`s addressing the loss of her daughter. We will never know that.

CASAREZ: You know, to Sonya Hamlin, body language expert and author of "How to Talk So People Listen," joining us tonight from New York.

You know, in response to that from our forensic psychologist, when I watched Casey Anthony in court and pictures of Caylee were on the screen I saw her with a smile like oh, she was so cute. And I wondered how can you have that smile on your face when it`s so fresh, your daughter was taken and dumped.

But here`s the question I have for you. Casey Anthony sobbed in court when the allegations against her father -- molestation -- were made in opening statements. Cindy now says the reason for that sobbing was because she felt so bad that they were throwing George under the bus. What does the body language of that tell you?

SONYA HAMLIN, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT, AUTHOR, "HOW TO TALK SO PEOPLE LISTEN": Well, you know, as jury watches it -- of course they tried to figure out what`s logical. How would you feel if you really killed your child or if you really were molested by your father. Molested by your father would indeed make you cry.

I was also interested to watch how George himself answered Dr. Phil when he said, have you ever molested your daughter, and he said I did not. And that was kind of shocking because we saw him do something very emotional a little earlier in the tapes for him to simply just deny it by saying I did not, rather than making some great big noise, that`s a horrible accusation.

One would expect some emotion to come from that. So in watching what happened this afternoon with Dr. Phil I was rather surprised by that. But as far as Casey crying is concerned, that would work. It would work very well with the jury. Because it would make sense if all of this was true.

CASAREZ: So you`re saying it was an act.

To Lauren Lake, defense attorney joining us out of New York. This leads me to the question as I heard Dr. Phil ask all of these questions and he has legal experience, he`s not an attorney, though I said to myself, why didn`t the prosecution confront head on this accident to ask very direct questions of George and Cindy about sexual molestation, about accident, about George`s involvement? Why didn`t they confront it?

LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I really have no idea. I mean quite frankly as a defense attorney I question a lot of times the direction the prosecution was going. And how they were going to dot their I`s and cross their T`s. And obviously as we can see now they did not. And this case was full of holes.

I think at the end of the day they were trying to keep this case focused on Caylee and when you bring up allegations of that nature, it can sometimes overshadow what they were really in court for. That`s the only thing I can really think of as to why they didn`t address it more.

CASAREZ: Well, they didn`t, that`s for sure.

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JEFF ASHTON, PROSECUTOR: We can only hope the chloroform was used before the tape was applied. So that Caylee went peacefully, without fear.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: I looked up chlorophyll and it prompted chloroform. He thinks you guys did something to Caylee.

CASEY ANTHONY: OK. Can you hold on for a second?

BAEZ: This was an accident that snowballed out of control.

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey.

CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I`m protecting our family, yes. Not from anything that I`ve done.

MCGRAW: You didn`t claim to look it up to take heat off Casey looking it up?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, absolutely not.

MCGRAW: You`re very clear on that.

CINDY ANTHONY: Absolutely not.

CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, just leave it at that, please.

ASHTON: There`s just no reason to put duct tape over the face of a child, living or dead.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And that is emotional video of George and Cindy Anthony from the "Dr. Phil" show today.

I want to go out to Kirby Clemens, defense lawyer joining us from Atlanta.

It`s called perjury, lying on the stand. Cindy Anthony continues to say she searched for chloroform. You serve prison time, right, potentially if charges would be filed against Cindy Anthony?

KIRBY CLEMENS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well she would serve prison time if they could prove that she perjured herself, but they don`t have a videotape or anything disproving what she had to say. So at this juncture it`s just speculation. We have her under oath.

CASAREZ: Well, they`ve got work records. They`ve got work records and those work records showed she wasn`t at the house when how to make chloroform and chloroform was searched.

I want to go to Laura Lake, defense attorney, very quickly.

You know the allegations of sexual molestation that Cindy is saying, it did not happen. So we`ve got George and Cindy both saying it did not happen. We heard it in court. It is protected in court. We have not heard the defense attorneys allege that at all with the numerous interviews that they`ve done publicly since the trial.

LAKE: Well, I mean, yes. It doesn`t matter, though. At a certain point we have to understand that a defense attorney only has work with what his client provides and he has to synthesize from there and go with what he feels like is his gut.

Of course there are tons of mothers and fathers all over this country where a father is sexually abuse the daughter and they`re both saying it didn`t happen. It doesn`t mean that it didn`t happen.

CASAREZ: Right. But if they say it publicly it`s not protected and you can be sued.

All right, Beth in Ohio.

LAKE: I`m sorry, I didn`t hear the rest -- I didn`t hear you, I`m sorry.

CASAREZ: All right. That`s all right. Beth in Ohio. Hi, Beth.

BETH, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hello. My question is, if Casey`s attorney intentionally misled this jury by making the allegations that her father and brother molested her is there any way that the prosecution can come back and ask for a retrial now?

CASAREZ: No. No. The answer is no. Once you are acquitted of a crime, you cannot be tried again. That is double jeopardy. Casey Anthony is a free woman serving probation and after a year that will be over. No, you cannot.

Norma in Tennessee. Hi, Norma.

NORMA, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Hey. I have a question.

CASAREZ: Thank you for calling, Norma.

NORMA: How can Cindy Anthony make excuses for her daughter? I know that`s her daughter, I know she loves her, but she killed her grandchild.

CASAREZ: Norma, Norma -- Norma in Tennessee, I`ve got -- I am hearing something in my ear, Norma. Hold on just a second. You know, we have -- you know, do you remember somebody named Nancy Grace? I think we have got her on the phone.

Nancy, are you there?

GRACE: Yes, I just went through a dress rehearsal. I`ve done my routine 50 times perfectly. They turned on the lights, I forgot everything. Plus I had an asthma attack.

So everybody, start praying.

CASAREZ: Nancy, the show is going on right now. You are miss superstar. And we know that.

You know, Nancy, when you start that dance, in just a few minutes, what`s going to be in your mind? Because, look, you`ve got the ability. We see it on the screen.

GRACE: Well, I`m just going to -- I`m just hoping that all the hours of practicing kicks in and I don`t screw up because out of 50 times doing it in rehearsal hall, when I got our there for the dress rehearsal, I completely blanked. I`ve never in my life in the courtroom done that. This whole dancing thing, a whole different animal, people.

CASAREZ: Well, Nancy, you can do anything and you do this show every night and you have the strength and you`ve got the confidence and you`ve got the ability.

You know, Nancy, I want to tell you a secret. Your husband told me when you were considering doing this show that you had a natural ability at dance. And he was right, Nancy. I see it. I see it. So how can we build your confidence because you`ve got it, girl. You just got to show the country.

GRACE: I`m going out there and give it all I`ve got and show that mommy can dance. OK? So everybody, get ready to vote because I will take a sympathy vote.

CASAREZ: Well, we`re going to vote on your talent. We`ll vote for all reasons, though, because we know you`re giving the known the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

The Missing show that you did and I was honored to participate in right here on HLN with you is so worthy of this cause. And I think that will give you the strength out there tonight to dance your heart out.

What kind of dance, Nancy, are we going to see in just minutes from you?

GRACE: I`m going to be doing the cha-cha-cha. So everybody, say a prayer and hold a good thought because here I go.

CASAREZ: Well, very, very good. What do you want to say to your viewers tonight because we`re all watching that show with you.

GRACE: I just want to say thank you for sticking by me, and I really hope I don`t disappoint you, guys. Got a lot of missing children that we can help if I can move forward. So I`ve got to get out there and overcome in security on the dance floor like I did in the courtroom and make it work.

CASAREZ: And you will. What are Lucy and John David telling you tonight?

GRACE: They`re going to be throwing me kisses and love, and I just I hope I don`t screw up in front of me. OK, they`re calling me. I`ve got to go. Bye, guys.

CASAREZ: All right. Bye-bye.

All right, everybody. That was Nancy Grace. Show going on now. Nancy standing behind the set calling us to make sure that we are watching that we`re engaged and we`re all so proud of her, proud for her cause, proud for her, for her bravery to do this.

Norma in Tennessee, I`m so sorry I had to interrupt you but we had to talk to Nancy, right?

NORMA: oh, yes. Definitely. Definitely.

(LAUGHTER)

CASAREZ: All right. Norma, let`s start from the beginning. What`s your question?

NORMA: How can -- how can Cindy Anthony make excuses for Casey? She killed a child. She killed an innocent baby and the baby was Cindy Anthony`s grandchild.

I love my kids but oh, I don`t know what I would do if they were to kill one of my grandkids.

CASAREZ: You know -- you know, Norma I think that`s a question we all have.

To Dr. Helen Morrison, forensic psychologist joining us from Chicago. You know, there is a lot of talk and there has been for a long time that there was a big argument the night before Caylee went missing. Cindy said no, there wasn`t, so it could not come into the trial but that she and Casey had a bitter, bitter argument about Casey stealing money.

Do you think Cindy feels in part responsible for all this and this leads to her state of mind today?

MORRISON: I think that Cindy feels guilt for a lot of reasons, for not getting help for this daughter that she felt had a problem, for ignoring the fact that Casey was not taking care of this child. For Casey`s basic living, I think that she does have a lot of guilt.

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MCGRAW: But it didn`t get to you. You didn`t buy the molestation argument.

CINDY ANTHONY: Absolutely.

MCGRAW: You didn`t buy that he was there. Did you buy the affair?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I know he didn`t have an affair with her.

MCGRAW: So that didn`t.

CINDY ANTHONY: It didn`t bother me. I was not worried about this woman at all. Even as vulnerable as George was, he wouldn`t have turned to her.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CASAREZ: It is season 13 of "Dancing with the Stars." Vote for Nancy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: You may have heard the exciting news about Nancy Grace.

TOM BERGERON, HOST, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": She`s a former prosecutor turned crime commentator, courtroom queen, Nancy Grace.

GRACE: No, I`m not the youngest, the thinnest, the prettiest, or the best dancer, but I got a lot of heart. One thing I don`t want to happen is for me to end up horizontal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: MacGrace.

TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY GRACE`S DANCING PARTNER: When I was told Nancy was my partner, I was -- I was more like grand.

GRACE: Why is he stuttering?

MACMANUS: What do you know about the cha-cha?

GRACE: I know one, two, three, cha-cha.

MACMANUS: So you know nothing about cha-cha?

GRACE: Right.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

MACMANUS: You shouldn`t be wearing them shoes either because you know it interrupts you. Three weeks, she`s still putting the wrong shoes on.

GRACE: I don`t know anything about dancing. I just hope that I don`t fall because they didn`t teach dancing in law school.

Hines, I need some advice.

HINES WARD, SEASON 12 WINNER, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": You know what, just go out there and have fun.

GRACE: 1-800-868-3405. And remember, I will take a sympathy vote.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

CASAREZ: And tonight, let us stop and remember Marine Lance Corporal Clinton "CJ" Miller, 23 years old from Greenfield Iowa. He was killed in Iraq. He was awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Freedom Medal.

He`s taught himself to play base guitar, and he loved coaching high school wrestling back home. He is remembered for his beautiful brown eyes and lighting up a room every time he walked in. He leaves behind his parents, Herby and Sue, his stepmother, Kim, his brother Spencer and Casey, sisters Haleigh and Rudi.

Clinton "CJ" Miller, an American hero.

Thank you so much to all our guests and to you at home. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night everybody.

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