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Nancy Grace
Full Michael Jackson Audiotape Played at Murray Trial
Aired October 05, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson. We are live here in L.A., where Jackson`s live-in Caribbean doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, on trial for manslaughter, accused of shooting Jackson up with a super-powerful surgical anesthetic, propofol, and then leaving the superstar to die surrounded by his own urine.
After four of the married doctor`s mistresses become star witnesses, including the one on the phone with Murray the moment Jackson found dead, bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Jackson`s voice from beyond the grave, his own doctor secretly tape-recording him, then feeding Jackson deadly drugs. We have the secret audio.
Everyone in Jackson`s inner circle panicked over his health, and what does Dr. Murray do? Feed Jackson more drugs. Secret stashes of powerful drugs found hidden by the doctor all over Jackson`s mansion.
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MICHAEL JACKSON: Elvis didn`t do it. Beatles didn`t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show -- when people leave my show, I want them to say, I`ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go. Go. I`ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It`s amazing. He`s the greatest entertainer in the world.
I`m taking that money, a million children, children`s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson`s children`s hospital. Going to have a movie theater, game room. Children are depressed. The -- in those hospitals, no game room, no movie theater. They`re sick because they`re depressed. Their mind is depressing them. I want to give them that. I care about them, them angels. God wants me to do it. God wants me to do it, I`m going to do it, Conrad.
DR. CONRAD MURRAY, JACKSON`S PERSONAL PHYSICIAN: I know you would.
JACKSON: Don`t have enough hope, no more hope. That`s the next generation that`s going to save our planet, starting with -- we`ll talk about it -- United States, Europe, Prague. My babies, they walk around with no mother. They drop them off, they leave -- a psychological degradation of that. They reach out to me -- Please take me with you. I want to do that for them.
I`m going to do that for them. That will be remembered more than my performances. My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn`t have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it.
"Heal the World," "We Are the World," "Will You Be There?" "The Lost Children" -- these are the songs I`ve written because I hurt, you know? I hurt.
MURRAY: You OK?
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Michael Jackson`s voice from beyond the grave, his own doctor secretly tape-recording him, then feeding him deadly drugs.
You just heard the audio, as that jury did. It is sickening. Why? Because we hear the weakened state that Michael Jackson is in. We can practically feel him lying there, almost incoherent, with his own doctor secretly recording him? And then to know he pumped Jackson full of drugs through an ankle injection?
We are live in L.A., taking your calls. The king of pop is dead, and now in a court of law, his doctor, his live-in Caribbean doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, on trial for manslaughter. We`re camped outside the courthouse.
Joining me first, Jean Casarez, correspondent, "In Session." Jean, we all heard that this tape exists. Now we`ve heard it, just like the jury did. It is sickening to think that Jackson is in that condition? And I can just imagine Conrad Murray hovering over his body, sticking in the injection in his ankle and letting the propofol flow!
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, Nancy, I was in that courtroom and I watched that jury. And I think the jury was stunned, and I`ll tell you why. They had transcripts and they focused on those transcripts for four long minutes as that audio absolutely bounced between the walls in that courtroom.
But when it was over, jurors seemed to inadvertently just look at the family. They didn`t mean to stare, but they just looked at them in stunned silence.
GRACE: Stunned silence. And what exactly did Conrad Murray do? I mean, why was he audio -- secretly audiotaping his own patient? Why?
CASAREZ: We don`t know yet. We don`t know yet. And I`m sure jurors want that answer. I`m sure the defense wants to give the answers. But everyone was either listening to try to understand what Michael said, or those of us in the gallery, we got to look on the big projection screen. It was pretty small writing, but we got to read also the transcript as that audiotape was played.
GRACE: And so did the jury get to see the transcript, too?
CASAREZ: Oh, they got individual transcripts that they got to read very closely. So they were riveted reading that transcript because you could hardly understand what was being said. That`s why they needed the transcript. And that will be a demonstrative aid for them when they go into that jury room to deliberate. It`s not evidence, it`s demonstrative.
GRACE: Yes...
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GRACE: They have a transcript. That was my question. Did they have a transcript so they could understand what Jackson was saying. To you, Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. What I don`t get is why a doctor would secretly tape-record his own client, his own patient.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. And that`s what`s puzzling about it, Nancy, is what exactly did Dr. Murray hope to do with this recording? Now, the state probably wants to show that he knew Jackson was already under the influence of drugs. And remember, at this point, he`d already been ordering propofol for Jackson.
GRACE: I`ve got to go to the doctor. We`re going straight back to the courthouse to Jean Casarez. Also with us, Dylan Howard from Radaronline and "Star."
But Dr. Robert Kaufman, doctor of internal medicine, you know, I don`t get it, Dr. Kaufman. Conrad Murray was under the same oath as you, to secretly tape-record your client, and we can hear -- I`m just a J.D. You`re the M.D. But even I, with the untrained ear and eye of -- you know, not like a doctor -- I can tell he is completely incoherent. His inner circle completely nutting up because they all know there`s a problem.
And what does Conrad Murray do besides taping secretly his own client? He sticks a syringe in Jackson`s ankle And shoots him up with drugs? I mean, aren`t there rules about secretly recording your client?
DR. ROBERT KAUFMAN, INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, first of all, there`s HIPAA rules, so you can`t record or have anything available without the patient`s permission. The only reason to copy anything or record anything is to use it, so he knew he was doing wrong. The patient was obviously overmedicated, intoxicated.
GRACE: It`s disgusting.
KAUFMAN: And it`s just no way -- he knew he was wrong, so he was trying to protect himself.
GRACE: And what does Murray do? He shoots him up with more drugs. He feeds Jackson more and more and more until he dies, while Conrad Murray is in the other room with one of his mistresses on the phone.
Out to the lines. Maureen, New York. What`s your question, Maureen?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. My question is that I haven`t heard anyone address the fact that it was 12:00 o`clock in the afternoon that Dr. Murray was giving Michael Jackson propofol to go to sleep, when he was supposed to go down to lunch with his children at 12:30. That`s what the chef had said, and that`s what Dr. Murray, I guess, had told the chef. So I`m wondering why they would -- why would they be giving him a med to put him to sleep at 12:00 o`clock in the afternoon?
GRACE: Oh, good question, Maureen in New York. To Dylan Howard. Dylan is the executive editor of Radaronline.com. He is also with "Star" magazine. Dylan, thank you for being with us. What`s the answer to that? Why was Jackson getting put to sleep with propofol at 11:00 o`clock in the morning? What`s that?
DYLAN HOWARD, RADARONLINE.COM, "STAR": Because he was an insomniac, a drug addict suffering from insomnia. He was rehearsing late throughout the course of the night. And indeed, it was Conrad Murray who was employed for one motivation, to make him sleep.
GRACE: And everybody, look at this photo that we obtained. Here is Conrad Murray just this weekend getting prepared for trial. There you go! When you`re on trial for killing the king of pop here in America, what do you do? You get a pedicure and go shop for expensive ties. Ellie, what kind of ties are those?
JOSTAD: Those are Ermena Gildo Zenya (ph) ties, Nancy. They`re about 185 bucks.
GRACE: Wa! Wa! Wa! Wait! Wait! Wait! Put her up! Could you repeat that? I`m going to have to read your lips. They`re what?
JOSTAD: Ermena Gildo Zenya. It`s a very upscale men`s designer. Those ties cost about $175 or $185 each.
GRACE: So Dylan Howard, he`s facing charges for killing Michael Jackson, the king of pop, and he`s out getting a pedicure and buying top- of-the-line ties for trial? Dylan Howard, how much more do we have to take from this guy?
HOWARD: And getting a haircut, in which he told the barber that he believed the prosecutor was distorting the truth. (INAUDIBLE) I think it`s irrelevant that he went and bought a new tie. He needs a tie every day for court. But the fact that he`s talking out about this case as it`s going on is concerning for prosecutors.
GRACE: Well, you know what, Dylan? You may think it`s irrelevant, but from what I`m hearing in the courtroom, he needs to put his head down on the table and cry in shame, not go out and get a pedicure!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The waltz, Nancy Grace and her partner, Tristan MacManus.
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JACKSON: Elvis didn`t do it. Beatles didn`t do it. We have to be phenomenal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was highly influenced by some unknown substance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) and lorazepam, propofol...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson...
JACKSON: He`s the greatest entertainer in the world.
911 OPERATOR: (INAUDIBLE) What is the address of your emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, we have a gentleman here that needs help. And he`s not breathing.
JACKSON: I hurt, you know? I hurt.
911 OPERATOR: Did anybody see him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. We have a personal doctor here with him, sir?
911 OPERATOR: Oh, you have a doctor there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`re aware, he had an episode last night. He`s sick.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but he`s not responding to anything, to no -- no -- he`s not responding to CPR or anything.
JACKSON: My performances will be up there helping my children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kendal (ph), Kendersorb (ph), underpads, are those urine pads?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
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GRACE: We are camped out in front of the courthouse here in L.A., bringing you the very latest, and all of us taking your calls.
In the last hours, the jury hears a secretly recorded tape done by his own doctor of Michael Jackson practically incoherent. And what does Murray do then, according to prosecutors? Shoot Jackson up with more powerful drugs. And then he dies.
We learn of a panic in Jackson`s inner circle. He comes to practice one day completely zonked out, and the director of the entire show is, like, Hey, this guy is going to be OK, but somebody`s got to take care of him. We`ve got to feed him. We`ve got to help him. He can do these things, if we help him.
And what help did Jackson get? An ankle injection of the super- powerful anesthetic propofol to his death.
Out to the lines. Wanda in Washington. Hi, Wanda. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I`m curious, Nancy. They`ve got the murder weapon, obviously, the propofol. they`ve got who bought it. Is the defense going to try and prove -- if it was a gun, there`d be fingerprints and forensic evidence all over the place. Are they going to prove who pulled the trigger? Are they going to try and prove...
GRACE: Good question, Wanda in Washington. My guess is they`re going to try and say Jackson did it himself.
Unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, victims` rights advocate, host of "We the People," joining us in L.A., Alan Ripka, defense attorney, New York, Lauren Lake, defense attorney, New York.
What about it, Gloria?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, I think, Nancy, that the defense has argued that somehow -- or insinuated that Michael Jackson essentially killed himself, that he took propofol while Dr. Murray was out of the room. The problem is, are they going to be able to prove it, because the argument, of course, is not evidence. And if, in fact, Michael Jackson`s fingerprints were not on the propofol, how are they going to prove it?
Or are they going to just leave that suggestion hanging in the air, as was done in the Casey Anthony case, just to raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors and just let it sit there?
GRACE: OK, Alan Ripka, if Jackson shot himself up -- number one, I don`t see him in that state leaning down and injecting himself in the ankle. Number two, who put that condom catheter on Jackson? You really think a man is going to catheterize himself? I don`t think so. And number three, if he could shoot himself up, why bother to have Conrad Murray there, Ripka?
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree with you. I think the doctor`s there. He`s done this many, many times in the past. That`s undisputed. There`s no reason why Jackson would on his own leave his doctor out of the picture...
GRACE: OK...
RIPKA: ... and do it himself.
GRACE: What about it, Lauren Lake?
LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what I think, Nancy? I don`t think the case is really that simple. I think Conrad Murray was hired for a reason, and Michael Jackson knew the reason and everyone else did, as well.
GRACE: Well, you know what? I appreciate that, Lauren Lake, but it`s got to be proven in court. So do you think the defense is going to argue Jackson shot himself up?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Conrad Murray is a cardiologist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Twelve separate bottles of propofol.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Red flag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he also a dermatologist?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wanted it shipped to a residential address.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do recall picking up a package in the lobby area.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he also an anesthesiologist?
JACKSON: I feel their pain. I feel their hurt.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s Michael Jackson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was no one taking responsibility, caring for him on a daily basis.
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GRACE: Whoa! There you go, Dr. Murray getting ready for trial. What about that, Lauren Lake? There`s your client. It`s Sunday. Trial resumes on Monday. He`s busy at work. Well, we know all of his toes are ready for trial, Lauren.
LAKE: Yes, Nancy. And remember when we covered the Michael Jackson molestation trial, and everyone was up in arms because he had his pajamas on? Thank goodness this defendant understands he needs a haircut, a tie and looks nice for court.
GRACE: Put her up.
LAKE: If he gets a pedicure...
GRACE: Put her up.
LAKE: ... you know...
GRACE: Put her up!
LAKE: ... hey, he needs one.
GRACE: You know what, Lauren?
LAKE: Yes?
GRACE: I`m proud of you that as a defense attorney, you can say things like that with a straight face. He ought to have his face down on the table in shame...
LAKE: He probably does!
GRACE: ... crying. And when we went for break, I asked you, would the defense be that Michael Jackson shot himself up via the ankle with propofol? What is your answer?
LAKE: My answer is it could be that he ingested it on his own or took additional pills that compromised the propofol injection that Dr. Murray admits he gave.
GRACE: But what difference would additional pills, as you`re saying, make, since that`s not the cause of death?
LAKE: Because the additional pills adds (ph) to and deals with the causation, Nancy. And you know that!
GRACE: No.
LAKE: If this...
GRACE: No! No!
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GRACE: Give me the autopsy report. That`s not what the autopsy report says, Gloria Allred. The autopsy report clearly states that he dies from acute propofol ingestion, no mention of any other pills.
ALLRED: Well, exactly. And you know, what`s going to be interesting is what the defense is going to do. Obviously, we know they have no duty to put on any evidence about how Michael Jackson died. On the other hand, the bar is going to be very, very high when the prosecution finally completes putting on its case. It`s pretty high right now, given what they have proven. If you just look at the court of public opinion...
GRACE: Right.
ALLRED: ... I think that people are going to feel that Michael Jackson was not the cause of his own death.
GRACE: I`m much more concerned about the jurors in the courtroom.
To Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, former friend, spiritual adviser to Jackson, author of "Ten Conversations You Need to Have With Yourself." Rabbi, thank you for being with us. What do you make of Jackson`s personal doctor secretly recording him in this condition?
RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, JACKSON FRIEND AND SPIRITUAL ADVISER: Well, I think what we`ve seen now in the trial is that it`s in the third phase. Phase one was a doctor who was on the take, prepared to be bought. And phase two is that he is a misogynist, playing women against each other. And finally, phase three, is a cold, heartless human being, seeing...
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MICHAEL JACKSON, POP ICON: Elvis didn`t do it. Beatles didn`t do it. We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, I`ve never seen nothing like this in my life. Go, go. I`ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It`s amazing. He`s the greatest entertainer in the world.
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GRACE: We are live in L.A. camped outside the courthouse bringing you the latest in the trial of Michael Jackson`s doctor accused with homicide.
In the last hours the jury hears a secretly recorded audiotape of Michael Jackson taken by this man, his own doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, secretly recording his own client.
Out to Dylan Howard, executive editor of Radaronline.com and "Star" magazine.
Dylan, I want to find out what else happened in court. Everyone must have been stunned when they heard this audio, then they connect the dots that Jackson is in this horrible condition, then he got shot up through the ankle of propofol.
What was Conrad Murray doing during all this?
DYLAN HOWARD, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, RADARONLINE.COM & STAR MAGAZINE: Conrad Murray -- Conrad Murray stood there stony faced. But it wasn`t the only voicemail message played in court today, Nancy. We also heard a message that was left for Conrad Murray that was discovered through forensic analysis of his phone, and that message was left for him on June 20, a few days before Michael Jackson died.
And it was left by his manager, the late Frank Dileo, and Frank said to Murray that there had been an incident at "This Is It" the rehearsals and he wanted to talk to him about it. He even ordered Murray to get a blood test. Why do you order a blood test? Because you want to examine what drugs are in one`s system.
They knew there was an issue, and of course the next day, as we`ve already heard from testimony on day one, it was Kenny Ortega who confronted Conrad Murray on June 20 and said to him that we had an issue with Michael Jackson. That was revealing in its very nature that people around Michael Jackson knew there was an issue.
GRACE: Drugs in his system all right. They were coming by the box load, by FedEx, by mail. All of them, propofol, catheters, you name it, being FedExed to Conrad Murray`s girlfriend`s home.
And isn`t it true, Jean Casarez, that propofol or a surgical anesthetic is only supposed to be sent to a hospital or a clinic?
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, that question was asked to Applied Pharmacy Services, and he sent it to what he believed was a clinic. That`s right. And somebody else could refuse.
So you`re exactly right, Nancy. One thing I`m learning with my research, that that injection site on Michael Jackson may have been closer to his knee than his ankle.
GRACE: And what does that mean, to you, Dr. Robert Kaufmann? Jean Casarez telling us that the injection which we originally thought was around the ankle may be closer to the knee? Have you ever heard of shooting up a patient, injecting anesthesia through the knee? Why?
DR. ROBERT KAUFMANN, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE: That basically means he didn`t have any veins left. They clearly used all his veins in his arms, his wrists, his hands, ankles where you typically see more veins. So they really had to dig around to find veins.
The one thing that I was going to mention was, they were talking about him, whether he gave himself the shot or it was given by the doctor, it doesn`t matter. The doctor provided him the medicine. He would have never been able to shoot himself up if he did without the doctor providing the medicine.
If he was trying to wean him off that medicine, why would he have it at the house? You wouldn`t put bottles of alcohol in an alcoholic`s house to drink, would you?
GRACE: And Dr. Kaufmann, it`s just -- it`s just disgusting.
Jean, tell Kaufmann about all the secret stashes of propofol all over Jackson`s mansion.
CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, it will take the rest of the show to go through this. It was like it was a pharmacy in that bedroom and in the closet. There`s bottles of propofol on the floor near the bed, there was a syringe on the nightstand without the needle, there was more medications that were to make him go to sleep. There was an energy pill with caffeine, ephedrine and aspirin to pep him up. There were just so many things, surgical masks and on and on and on.
GRACE: To Brian Oxman, attorney for Joe Jackson. This is Michael Jackson`s father. Did the family have any idea what`s going on behind the walls of this mansion?
BRIAN OXMAN, JOE JACKSON`S ATTORNEY IN WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT: Oh, yes, they did. Everybody knew. You heard Frank Dileo`s tape-recorded message. He knew that Kenny Ortega knew. Everyone there knew, and when Joe Jackson said, I want to see my son, this is wrong, I need access to my son, he was blocked.
I can guarantee you, Nancy, if Joe Jackson had been allowed --
GRACE: Blocked by who?
OXMAN: -- to see Michael, this would not have happened.
GRACE: Blocked by who? Blocked by who? Blocked by who?
OXMAN: He was blocked -- he was blocked by the producers of the show and he was blocked by security. He was not permitted to see his son.
GRACE: OK. Speaking of that manager, Frank Dileo, he sees Jackson, Jackson`s doing all right in rehearsals and all of a sudden Jackson comes in completely zombied out, and everybody nuts. Take a listen to this voicemail.
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FRANK DILEO, MICHAEL JACKSON`S MANAGER: Dr. Murray, it`s Frank Dileo, Michael`s manager. I`m the short guy with no hair. Would you please me at -- I`m sure you`re aware he had an episode last night. He`s sick. Today is Saturday. Tomorrow I`m on my way back. I`m not going to continue my trip. I think you need to get a blood test on him today. We`ve got to see what he`s doing. All right. Thank you.
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GRACE: Millions and millions and millions of dollars riding on Jackson`s performance in his world tour, about to kick it off. His big comeback. The pressure intense.
To Caryn Stark, psychologist joining us out of New York. Weigh in, Caryn.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, he`s saying we`ve got to see what he`s doing without even knowing that the very person he`s calling is the person that`s helping him take all these drugs and helping him be in this situation, supporting him so that he really is out of it, Nancy.
And if you listen to Michael`s words, I hear two themes coming out of that slurring. One is the pressure to be the greatest, the greatest and the other is the kind of pain that needed psychological help, not medications.
GRACE: The day you can walk -- out to CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain.
CW, the day you can walk into somebody`s house, whether you`re a doctor or not, shoot them up with powerful drugs and leave them to die, and then get straight probation for it, you know what? It is wrong.
And did you know, Jensen, that with involuntary manslaughter charges, that could be a probated sentence here in California. He could walk with straight probation.
What does it mean to you, CW, that all over Jackson`s mansion there were secret stashes of propofol? Only a doctor can get propofol. You can`t go down to some pusher on the sidewalk, on the street corner and get propofol. You can only get it through a doctor.
CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, let me just paint a real quick picture for your viewers. Here`s what happened. You get that weird phone call. There`s a gentleman here who`s unresponsive. There`s Michael Jackson here that`s unresponsive. So the first responders get there, and I guarantee you, as the firefighters, cops, and everybody got there, they said this is the creepiest thing I`ve ever seen.
You`ve got an allegedly healthy 50-year-old man, and he`s got more wires in him than a computer. So they did what they had to do. They shut everything down and they would have done what I did as a homicide detective. I would have said, I don`t know what all these drugs are, but it says one thing to me. Somebody has done something very, very wrong.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Charlene, Indiana. Hi, Charlene. What`s your question?
CHARLENE, CALLER FROM INDIANA: Good evening. Thank you for taking my call. My question is, since Dr. Murray, obviously, recorded these conversations with Michael Jackson while he was under the influence, is there anything either civilly or criminally that he can be charged with just from that fact alone either by the family or by law?
GRACE: Oh, good question. To Gloria Allred.
Gloria, secretly taping, secretly recording your patient in California?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ATTORNEY, CHILD ADVOCATE: Yes, Nancy - -
GRACE: Is there a one-party consent?
ALLRED: No. Nancy, in California it is unlawful, it is a crime, it is a felony to record someone else without their consent. So this could be prosecuted as a felony unless Michael Jackson somewhere had given his consent.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing footage of Michael Jackson. Today in court a stunned jury hears secretly recorded audiotape taken by his own doctor of Jackson practically incoherent. And then we learned Conrad Murray, what does he do? Jackson incoherent and an addict. He shoots him up with a deadly dose of propofol.
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JACKSON: This will be it. This is it.
DILEO: We`ve got to see what he`s doing.
JACKSON: I`m doing well. And when I say this is it -- and I am strong -- it really means this is it. Don`t have enough hope. No more hope.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This couldn`t be scripted. This is unbelievable, it`s shocking.
JACKSON: I`ve never seen nothing like this in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The evidence will show gross negligence, medical abandonment.
DILEO: -- had an episode last night. He`s sick.
SADE ANDING, WAITRESS I said hello, hello? I just heard mumbling.
JACKSON: I hurt, you know.
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GRACE: And with all of this going on, we find out while Dr. Conrad Murray is supposed to be taking care of Michael Jackson, he`s got all these women trying to track him down on the phone, texting him, blah, blah, blah.
We are here live in L.A. camped outside the courthouse, bringing you latest in the trial of Jackson`s live-in Caribbean doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, charged with the homicide of the king of pop.
We are taking your calls, but I want to go back to Jean Casarez.
You`ve got one of his women early that morning, 8:25, I think, a.m. trying to get ahold of him. Then you`ve got one of them on the phone with him at the time we think Jackson is dying. Then you`ve got another one trying to reach him all through the afternoon.
All of this is in addition to a wife, who`s the only woman he didn`t talk to all day long. The judge never let the jury find out that all of these mistresses are somehow connected to the sex trade. They`re strippers, they`re this, they`re that.
You know what? Fine. I don`t care if the jury doesn`t know. I know. But what does it mean that all these -- while he`s supposed to be taking care of Jackson, he`s dealing with all of these women calling him on the phone?
CASAREZ: Well, obviously, gross negligence plays into all of that, but it`s that one phone call at 11:51 from Sade Anding who said that she spoke to him for just a couple of minutes and all of a sudden she heard what she thought was coughing. Coughing? And then he didn`t say one more world.
And so, Nancy, that takes that timeline and makes it 30 minutes before 911 is called? It extends the timeline. And you also have to question the statements that he came back into the room, and Jackson wasn`t breathing. If you`re coughing, you`re trying to breathe.
GRACE: OK. So is it Anding that`s on the phone with him? She was the cocktail waitress, so she`s not connected to the sex trade, right?
CASAREZ: Sullivan Steakhouse, no, cocktail waitress.
GRACE: OK. Who`s the stripper?
CASAREZ: Oh, there were -- there were a lot of them. There were four women, all right? And we didn`t hear that on the stand. We heard they were from a social club, that they worked at a social club. And then --
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GRACE: Yes. Just tell me. Just tell me, Jean, who`s the stripper?
CASAREZ: Nicole Alvarez, they say, was when he met her in Las Vegas.
GRACE: OK. So we`ve got Alvarez.
CASAREZ: And that`s who he -- but she denies that and does not say that on the stand.
GRACE: The corporate stripper. OK, fine.
CASAREZ: And she denies that. Did that tell that on the stand.
GRACE: We`ve got Alvarez -- Alvarez, the not a stripper. Fine. I`ll just go with it. All right. Then we`ve got the other one that`s the cocktail waitress. What`s her name?
CASAREZ: Sade Anding.
GRACE: All right. Then who is the third one?
CASAREZ: Michelle Bella and Bridgette Morgan.
GRACE: And what does Bella do?
CASAREZ: Bella worked at a social club.
GRACE: What does that?
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CASAREZ: So you think about it, Nancy, in Las Vegas --
GRACE: Just tell me the truth.
CASAREZ: All right. A strip club. Las Vegas.
GRACE: All right. Fine. Bella, stripper. All right. And who`s the fourth mistress?
CASAREZ: Well, Bridgette Morgan.
GRACE: OK, Bridgette Morgan. And where did he meet her?
GRACE: Las Vegas. All of them in Las Vegas.
GRACE: OK. Ellie Jostad, Bridgette Morgan, where in Vegas did he meet her?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Nancy, according to reports he met her at Cheetahs, which is a strip club.
GRACE: OK, hey, look, everybody. It`s not -- we`re not in court. You can tell me the truth. We don`t have to pretend they met at a social club like they were all sitting down for some hot tea and scones.
All right, fine. I don`t care. All I care about is while he`s supposed to be watching over Jackson, he`s on the phone with all these various women minus his wife -- and let me go out to the lawyers, Gloria Allred, Alan Ripka, Lauren Lake.
Lauren, point of bringing these women on is to clarify the timeline, although the defense likes to suggest the state`s bringing it on because they`re strippers and cocktail waitresses. That`s not it at all.
LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Come on, Nancy.
GRACE: These women are --
LAKE: Come on.
GRACE: As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted.
LAKE: Come on.
GRACE: These women are brought on because they`re on the phone with him while he`s supposed to be watching over Jackson.
LAKE: Nancy, the prosecution accuses defense attorneys all the time for tricky little ways to pick at the holes in their case, and this was a tricky little way to get in a lot of character evidence against Conrad Murray. Yes, they may have established the timeline, but she didn`t have to keep bringing up a relationship and trying to get in questions about he met them.
Let`s keep it real. They want to assassinate this man`s character, and it doesn`t matter if he have 150 girlfriends and 99 baby mamas.
GRACE: Lauren. Lauren.
LAKE: It has nothing to do with causation.
GRACE: Lauren.
LAKE: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Is it the prosecutor`s fault he has all these strippers on a string? Is that the prosecution`s fault, Gloria Allred? It`s not the state trying to ruin his reputation. I think he did that for himself, Gloria.
ALLRED: He made his own choices, and I think it is relevant who he was speaking with that day because of the timeline and also because if he`s speaking with them, is he exercising due care to monitor his patient who is taking a drug or having a drug injected into him that can do great bodily harm or lead to death?
Obviously there`s a problem if he`s texting or talking to other people other than monitoring his patient.
GRACE: Hey, Ripka, have you ever had surgery, has your wife or your children ever had surgery?
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Of course.
GRACE: OK. Question. How would you feel if your anesthesiologist while you`re laying there under was on the phone with a stripper.
RIPKA: I wouldn`t be happy about it.
GRACE: Would that bother you?
RIPKA: It would bother me a lot. But you know something?
GRACE: Father`s --
RIPKA: No one`s attributing any responsibility to Michael Jackson. He hired someone for $150,000 a month to supply him drugs. And he kept taking the drugs. And he obviously wanted more and more. There`s something to that as well.
GRACE: Put Ripka up. Really? What`s to that? Maybe I`m confused but Michael Jackson was a singer. He was not under the Hippocratic Oath. It was not his duty. He was a drug addict.
RIPKA: He was.
GRACE: The doctor is the one that fed him the drugs and injected him. All right?
RIPKA: Well, we don`t know --
GRACE: So how you`re finding a way to blame him, I don`t know. I don`t know how you did that.
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RIPKA: He was a co-conspirator. He was a co-conspirator --
GRACE: To Rabbi Boteach, when you hear claims that this is Jackson`s fault, Rabbi, what`s your response?
RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, FORMER FRIEND AND SPIRITUAL ADVISOR TO MICHAEL JACKSON, AUTHOR, "10 CONVERSATIONS": Michael paid the ultimate price. He`s dead. How could anyone impugn even more pain to a man who lost his life at the hands of a cold, heartless physician who was interested in a mountain of cash rather than in his patient?
And it`s almost like a conspiracy when you see it, Nancy, because there are so many people saying Michael is in trouble and yet they`re doing nothing about it. Cancel the concerts.
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GRACE: Everybody, we are live here in L.A. on the Michael Jackson trial, but I want to take this chance to thank you so much from here for your support on "Dancing with the Stars." My partner, Tristan, and I made it another week. We danced to "Moon River." And it has such a meaning to me.
I walked down the aisle to "Moon River." and it was the first song I ever sang to the twins as they lay in intensive care. You know, I remember, I only wanted them to live. And now they are 3 years old. So thank you.
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GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Brandon Maggart, 24, Kirksville, Missouri killed Iraq. On a second tour awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation. Loved the outdoors, barbecue. Favorite sports team, Missouri football.
Remembered as a family man who gave everything to his son. Leaves behind parents Teddy and Beth, brother Joshua, sister Ashley, widow Theresa, son Blake.
Brandon Maggart, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but our biggest thanks to you for inviting all of us into your homes.
Look who`s here with me in L.A., and John David is running around the studio. And we all want to say thank you for your help on "Dancing with the Stars."
I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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