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Senate Expected to Vote on President's Jobs Bill; Congressman Lewis Denied Chance to Address 'Occupy Atlanta' Rally; Audiotape Key to Dr. Conrad Murray Trial
Aired October 09, 2011 - 06:00 ET
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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Good Sunday morning.
I am going to show you in just a moment how things played out at one of these "Occupy" rallies. This one in Atlanta. I'm going to show you what happened when congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis showed up and they refused to let him speak.
Also, Ron Paul wins another straw poll while the presumed front- runner on the Republican side finishes near the bottom.
Also, the world's cheapest tablet computer revealed. How cheap? How does $35 sound to you?
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, Georgia, this is your CNN SUNDAY MORNING for October 9th. 6:00 a.m. here in Atlanta. I'm T.J. Holmes. And, as always, we want to say a special good morning to our service men and women watching us right now on the American Forces Network. Thank you for being here, and thank you for what you do.
All right, we'll talk about the president first and the jobs bill. This is going to be an important week. In just a couple of days, the president's jobs bill will get an important test. The Senate is expected to vote on his $447 billion package. Now, the Congressional Budget Office says the plan's tax on millionaires would raise an estimated $453 billion. Still, Republican leaders, they don't like that tax. The president, this weekend, we heard from him. He's pushing ahead anyway.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Some see this as class warfare. I see it as a simple choice. We can either keep taxes exactly as they are for millionaires and billionaires, or we can ask them to pay at least the same rate as a plumber or a bus driver. And in the process, we can put teachers and construction worker and veterans back on the job. We can either fight to protect their tax cuts, or we can cut taxes for virtually every worker and small business in America. But we can't afford to do both. It's that simple.
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HOLMES: The majority leader in the House says the full bill is actually not going to get a vote in that chamber, so it's actually setting up pretty much a showdown this week. Senate expected to take action. The House says it will not. We'll see where the jobs bill goes.
Speaking of jobs, though, you know the nation's unemployment rate still at 9. percent. We just got those new numbers at the end of last week. But the National Retail Federation says retailers expected to hire up to 500,000 workers for the end of the year holidays. Among those looking for worker -- and listen up here -- Macy's expected to add 78,000 jobs, Kohl's plans to add 40,000, Toys 'r' Us also plans to add 40,000 workers and Best Buy looking for about 15,000 workers. And many of these are, yes, temporary holiday jobs. But at the same time, they often do turn into permanent jobs after the holidays.
Well, we're just past the top of the hour now and Ron Paul is getting to notch another straw poll win in his effort to capture the Republican presidential nomination. He was the top vote getter at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. He got 37 percent of the vote. Herman Cain still making good showings in some of these straw polls, and the national polls as well, but he got 23 percent. And then Rick Santorum ended up third with 16 percent. Now, the two presumed front- runners, or the one you've been hearing so much about, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney, well, they came in fourth and sixth respectively. Both of them in single digits.
We're also learning more this morning about the White House decision to kill Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen and al Qaeda leader in Yemen. "The New York Times" reporting a secret memo made the legal case for killing him. Al-Awlaki allegedly helped the so-called underwear bomber attempt to set off a bomb on a Detroit bound plane in 2009. The memo concluded that al-Awlaki could be legally targeted if it was not feasible to capture him. After his death, the White House took heat for killing an American citizen. Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul says the killing sets a bad precedent.
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REP. RON PAUL (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If the American people accept this blindly and casually, we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys. I think it's sad.
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HOLMES: According to "The New York Times" report, the memo was prepared specifically for al-Awlaki and does not set a precedent for killing Americans suspected of terrorist activities.
I want to turn now to these "Occupy Wall Street" rallies. These protests you've been seeing pop up all over the country. It's been going on for about four weeks now and they seem to be growing every day.
Take a look at the map here at least. Demonstrations happening across the country. People expressing their frustration with the lack of jobs, corporate greed, they say, and also their anger over government leadership. Now, the protests going on in more than a dozen states and several cities. And among the demonstrations this weekend, the nation's capital.
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CROWD: End the war. Tax the rich. End the war. Tax the rich.
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HOLMES: Demonstrators in Sacramento, California, yesterday were chanting a theme we keep hearing over the a number of these protests. Listen.
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CROWD: This is what democracy looks like!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show me what democracy looks like!
CROWD: This is what democracy looks like!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show me what democracy looks like!
CROWD: This is, this is what democracy looks like!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: All right. I want to turn now to an "Occupy" rally that was in Atlanta. And interesting back and forth with some of the demonstrators. A Few hundred people did turn out. One that of them that showed up was civil rights icon and Georgia Congressman John Lewis. Now, he showed up to show his support, wanted to address the crowd. Many of the protesters wanted to hear from him. But first, protesters wanted to put it to a vote of whether or not he should be allowed to speak to them. Listen to how some of this played out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has fought for the freedom --
CROWD: He has fought for the freedom --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the dignity and respect --
CROWD: And the dignity and respect --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of countless lives.
CROWD: Of countless lives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: However --
CROWD: However --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The point of this general assembly --
CROWD: The point this general assembly --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is to kick-start --
CROWD: Is to kick-start --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A democratic process --
CROWD: A democratic process --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In which no singular human being --
CROWD: In which no singular human being --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is inherently more valuable --
CROWD: Is inherently more valuable --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Than any other human being.
CROWD: Than any other human being.
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HOLMES: Now that's just a portion of it. This back and forth went on for several minutes. The whole time, Congressman Lewis was standing by as he essentially watching the crowd debate his fate and whether or not he'd be allowed to speak. Many in the crowd were upset and expressed their anger later on saying, we want the attention of Congress. We got their attention and one showed up at our rally. And instead of allowing him to speak and to converse with us, we're just talking at him. Many thought that Congressman Lewis was disrespected. Now, Lewis did get a chance to speak, not to the crowd. He ended up having to talk to the local media. But, still, listen to what he had to say.
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REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: At another time, at another period, when I was very young and head of the student nonviolent committee meeting, better known as SNCC, we participated in a similar process. We would discuss, we would debate and until we reached consensus. So this is not something strange or out of the ordinary.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you disappointed that you did not get a chance --
LEWIS: No, not at all. Not at all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you feel that says about this organizational process?
LEWIS: Well, it will work out. They're growing, maturing. It will work out. It will come of age.
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HOLMES: So you hear him there. Said, went through some similar things trying to get organized when many of these rallies, and he compared it to some of the things he went through during the civil rights movement, trying to organize. But, still, expressing his support for the "Occupy" rallies. Now, this is not the first time we have seen a scene similar to this. This was a little different, but this is New York Congressman Charlie Rangel. This is what he had to endure when he showed up to show support to protesters in New York. Watch this and listen to it, as well.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A large part of our budget from your own mansion (ph). Go home! Get out of here. Go home! Go! Boo! Boo! Boo!
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HOLMES: Afterwards, Representative Rangel said he wasn't sure if he was the target of the heckling, but he said, if he was, then he understands.
Now, we'll be talking about the "Occupy Wall Street" movement a little later. Some of the protesters from Atlanta. You'll hear from them yourself. That's ahead in about 25 minutes.
The manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson's personal physician, jurors get back to the courtroom on Tuesday. They'll hear the rest of a taped interview police did with Dr. Conrad Murray. He talked about the final hours of Jackson's life. Our Ted Rowlands with the story from L.A.
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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Coming up next week in the Conrad Murray trial, we'll pick up right where we left off last week, and that is with the playing of that audiotape of Dr. Conrad Murray talking to investigators. This was an interview he gave investigators just two days after Michael Jackson died. The jury has heard about an hour and 40 minutes of the tape already. It's a two-hour tape. So there's not too much left to go.
What they've heard so far has been riveting. Murray talks about what happened in those moments before Jackson died. What he gave Jackson in terms of prescriptions or medications. He also talks about the fact that he gave Michael Jackson Propofol every single day during the two months he was treating him until the last few days. He said he was trying to help the pop star wean himself off of this powerful, powerful drug.
CONRAD MURRAY, JACKSON'S DOCTOR (voice-over): And I cared about him. I didn't want him to fail. I had not intentions of quitting him. I was compassionate. But what I was doing to recognizing that Michael Jackson may have had a dependency to substance. I was trying to wean him off.
ROWLANDS: Following the conclusion of that interview tape being played to the jury, we expect that the prosecution will start to wrap up their case. We expect they'll be done sometime early next week. There's no court on Monday. So that mean the defense will get their chance at some point next week.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Los Angeles.
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HOLMES: At 10 minutes past the hour, let's say good morning to our Reynolds Wolf. How are you, kind sir?
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I'm doing great. How are you doing today?
HOLMES: I am really well.
WOLF: All right. Well, T.J., we've got a great weather day for people on the East Coast and the West Coast, but dead in the center of the country, we've got a different story. We've got a big storm system that stretches for over 1,000 miles from parts of the U.S./Canadian border, clear down through Texas. In Texas, it manes rain. Heavy, heavy rain. Right now we've got flash flood watches and warning in effect for parts of the area. Places that were desperate for rain, now getting too much. We're going to talk about that coming up and let you know what they can expect as we make our way into the workweek.
Back to you, T.J.
HOLMES: All right, Reynolds, thank you. We'll see you here shortly.
And Pittsburgh Steelers' Troy Polamalu, he's usually scaring quarterbacks or maybe running backs. But now he's scaring visitors at a wax museum in Hollywood. You see where we're going with this? We'll show you the video here in just a moment. Stay with us. It's 11 minutes past the hour.
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HOLMES: All right, twelve minutes past the hour now on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING.
And Pittsburgh Steelers' Troy Polamalu. You might -- even if you're not a football fan -- you might know this guy because of the hair. Well, he was having a little fun and he was scaring the heck out of some tourists at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum in Hollywood. Look at this.
You see how it is going? We can let this play out for a second. But, well, yes, of course, they're at the wax museum. They think all of these are wax figures. But then this big dude start moving. So he was having a good time. He was playing a prank on some of the visitors there. But this is great video. It's got a half million hits on YouTube. It was part of a commercial that he was actually shooting there. But he's -- he's a good sport. He scares the mess out of them on the football field. The very ferocious -- one of the best defensive players in the league, but great stuff.
WOLF: Absolutely, man. That's very good stuff. Maybe that's where -- maybe Auburn's team last night was made out of wax figures.
HOLMES: Wow. I wasn't going to mention it.
WOLF: What do you say. We both had -- both of our teams played each other last night.
HOLMES: Yes.
WOLF: And his team won in very big fashion.
HOLMES: I never rub it in. We have a respect because over the years --
WOLF: We have some great e-mail exchanges, though --
HOLMES: Yes.
WOLF: During the game itself.
Well, and the thing is, Arkansas beat my team, the Auburn Tigers, in convincing fashion last night. But let me ask you, what's the actual name of the stadium where the Razorbacks play? What's the official name?
HOLMES: Reynolds Razorback stadium.
WOLF: Really? Reynolds, right?
HOLMES: Yes.
WOLF: OK.
HOLMES: Thank you for that.
WOLF: OK. Yes. My team lost, but my name is still on the stadium, all right. Let's go. Let's play ball.
HOLMES: Hey, more of what we're talking about today. The biggest weather story we have is what's happening at the very bottom of this frontal boundary that extends right through the central plains into portions of Texas. This means rain. And not just a few raindrops. We're talking about some heavy stuff.
In fact, you can see right now some very intense lines driving through. A little bit of a prefrontal trough that's drifting right through Austin, back south to San Antonio on the I-10 corridor. When you get back towards junction, a little bit of a break for now.
But check this out. We're seeing another line that's beginning to develop. What we have is plenty of moisture that continue to feed up out of the Gulf of Mexico. And as that boundary's trying to move across, we're going to see rain through the rest of the day, possibly a bit into tomorrow.
And what that's going to mean, plain and simple, the potential for flooding. Some places in the Texas hill country, anywhere to two to five inch of rainfall. But so far, in Bastrop County, in Travis Country, right here in Austin, this is a place that, of course, was dealing with all kinds of wildfires. Now we're talking about bare earth with anywhere from four to seven inches of rainfall. You've got really, really hard soil there. They refer to it as Calichi (ph).
You know, and back in the Texas hill country, the water's not going to absorb in. Everything's going to be runoff. So that means we could see some widespread flooding through central and south Texas. Lone star state, be advised, these are going to be really interesting times, especially over the next 10 hours or so.
Meanwhile, what we're seeing around the rest of the nation, on the back half of the system, we talked about the rain in Texas. Some snow back into the Rockies. Some places maybe a foot of snow at the highest peaks.
In the Pacific Northwest, what else, some rain. But in the great basin it looks pretty dry. Same deal out towards the West Coast.
The East Coast is kind of a hodgepodge. Plenty of sun in New England and condition fairly warm. But when you get into the extreme southeast and the Carolinas, Georgia, and into parts of Florida, rain is going to be the issue.
Very quickly. Temperatures, what you can expect, east and then making our way back to the west. Eighty-four in New York and Boston, 71, Atlanta, 85 in Memphis, 57 in Denver, 62 in Albuquerque, 69 in San Francisco, 65 in Portland.
All right, you're up to speed. Let's send it back to you, T.J.
HOLMES: Reynolds, thank you, kind sir.
WOLF: You bet.
HOLMES: We'll see Reynolds again here shortly.
And coming up in a moment, the dean of the civil rights movement. He's actually celebrating his 90 years now. A big birthday bash for him this weekend. But he stopped by here in the studio to talk history, politics, and who he think is the best candidate on the Republican side. My conversation with this civil rights legend, next. Stay with us.
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HOLMES: Eighteen minutes past the hour now. And he is 90 years old now and he's still marching. Maybe not as quickly as he once did, but the Reverend Joseph Lowery, civil rights icon, known as the dean of the civil rights movement, is being honored this weekend with a big 90th birthday bash happening in Atlanta. But before he went to his big party, he stopped by here to talk to me. We didn't really plan on talking about politics, but he just couldn't help himself. Wanted to talk about the Republican presidential race. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) REV. JOSEPH LOWERY, CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER: Probably one of the more sensitive fellows in Atlanta is Huntsman. But they don't pay any attention to him. They're -- they're interested in Herman Cain, bless his heart.
HOLMES: What do you mean, bless his heart?
LOWERY: He's having the time of his life. He would take -- he would give 10 years of his life for what's happening to him now. And I'm -- I'm happy for him. Yes, I don't think he realizes that they're using him.
HOLMES: Now what do you mean by that, using him? Hasn't he done this on his own?
LOWERY: Well, I think they're using Herman to send their resistance against Romney and Perry and the other fellows who are up top in the money raising. If you'll notice, I don't think Herman's money anywhere near reaches his vote in the popularity contest. And that's how you can measure how much support he has by how much money he raises.
HOLMES: Now, what would you think -- there were a few years back, people didn't think we would have a black president. But what would you say about the day when people go into the voting booth and their options are to vote for the Democrat, a black man, and the Republican, a black man? What would you think of that?
LOWERY: Incredible. I don't -- well, I didn't think we live -- in 1965, when we succeeded in getting the voting rights act passed, Martin and others of us used to talk about the fact that we'd never live to see an African-American president. We thought there would be one, but none of us would live to see it.
Well, unfortunately, Martin didn't, but thank God he did let me live long enough to see it. And not only see it, but participate. But I didn't think we would. And so -- but I -- so I take the same position for the black Democratic candidate and a black Republican candidate. I don't think I'll live to see that. And I don't think you will either.
HOLMES: Well, you're here. You're 90 years old this week. You've got a big birthday celebration happening this weekend. But I don't know what 90 is supposed to feel like. What does 90 feel like? How are you feeling these days?
LOWERY: Well, it feels just like 89.
HOLMES: Does it?
LOWERY: It (INAUDIBLE) felt good Wednesday. And 90 feels good Friday.
HOLMES: Now, here we are, turning to a serious note here. It wasn't too long ago -- I mean just days ago -- Fred Shuttlesworth, someone who you knew very well, was right there with you all to help found the SCLC, march on the streets with you. He died. What is the significance of the elder statesmen, those civil rights era guys like you getting older? What's the significance of us losing those guys over time? Those men and women over time?
LOWERY: Well, time moves on. And as much as we might regret it, we're all going to answer that bell when it tolls for us. But God has rams in the bush. And I think you'll see, from time to time, leaders will come forward. And the leadership is proliferating. We no longer -- back in those early days, we depended on civil right people for almost all the leadership. But now leadership comes from many corners. We have leaders in business. We have leaders in science. We have leaders in education. And we are experiencing a widespread proliferation of leadership I think is healthy for the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: All right, we're at 22 minutes past the hour now.
And they couldn't get it passed on the federal level, but California has now passed its own dream act. So now student who are in the country illegally will be able to get state money to go to college. We'll explain more in just a moment. Stay with us
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HOLMES: Twenty-five minutes past the hour now. I'm getting a look at stories making news across country. Let's start in Boca Raton, Florida, where a nine-year-old spelling bee contestant, Skylar Johnson (ph). Oh, she knew how to spell sergeant. And after she got the answer right, her soldier dad -- oh, look at that -- showed up. A surprise visit. This is the first father-daughter hug they had had since last Christmas when dad was deployed to Iraq. We have seen a number of these, and they never get old. And each and every one of them will get you every time. Love these stories.
Let's turn out to California now, where the governor there, Jerry Brown, he has now signed the state's "Dream Act" into law. It will allow thousands of undocumented immigrant students a chance at college. They have to be top student and on a path to citizenship. But here's some of the reaction out this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We struggle just to ensure that our daughter can go to school. So for me to have an opinion for somebody who's not legal to have that financial aid or to have that opportunity, I'm a bit bitter with that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's a good idea. Like I've heard, as long as they're just, you know, showing documentation and, obviously if they're performing well, that they're not wasting our time here and we should at least give them the money to at least pursue their dream here in America.
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HOLMES: All right, the Dream Act out there in California goes into effect in 2013.
As we get close to the bottom of the hour, you are hearing them and you are seeing them. They are fed up and they are on the march, complaining about a lack of jobs, complaining about big corporate profits. Banks not looking out for the little guy, they say. Well, after the break, you will hear from some of these "Occupy" demonstrators. Let them explain for themselves what they want.
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HOLMES: Well, the bottom of the hour on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Welcome back, everybody. I'm T.J. Holmes. Glad you could spend part of your weekend here with us.
Well, you have been seeing these protesters, and you have been hearing them, as well.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is what democracy looks like!
CROWD: This is what democracy looks like!
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HOLMES: They are talking about corporate greed, bank bailouts, the unemployment situation, and they want to be heard. We've seen these "Occupy Wall Street" rallies pop up all over the country. Many of them are young, but still we've seen some older folks out there. We've seen some families out there even.
Many of this people said they're unemployed, not happy with the situation in the country, and they want some kind of change. Still, this has been going on about a month now, many of these rallies. And a lot of people still have questions. They're wondering exactly who are these folks and really exactly what do you want. What change do you want to see?
So we invited three of these protesters from the "Occupy Atlanta" rallies to come in and explain it for themselves. Take a listen to our conversation.
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JIM NICHOLS, OCCUPY ATLANTA PARTICIPANT: Social and economic inequality is at a tipping point, and people are - are hungry for getting involved and trying to do something to change it. When nine out of ten races in politics is won by the candidate with the most money, when, you know, one in four kids in Georgia right now are in poverty. That's a 21 percent increase since the recession started.
If people are struggling, it's almost like - I want the American Dream Back movement.
HOLMES: John, what do you do to change it, though? Here - you got our attention, we've got you here. We've been covering the protests. Now what?
JOHN REYNOLDS, OCCUPY ATLANTA PARTICIPANT: I think the first step is acknowledgment. I mean, people coming together in unity, acknowledging these issue and saying we have to be more progressive, more ingenious (ph) about coming up with solutions.
HOLMES: You hear the voices, but I guess let me come back to you here, Jim, we hear the voices, but how do you put that into action in such a way that you see what - you want to sit down with lawmakers. Do you want a meeting at the White House? Do you want - what is it that would look like that progress?
NICHOLS: People are going to - as they get involved in this - in this movement find their own place. They're going to network with friends, neighbors. They're going to get involved in their union. They're going to get involved in different groups.
And it's from these social relations that are building from this discontent that, you know, some of these people will end up running for office. Some of these people will end up, you know, finding avenues that - that they're able to articulate their voice and feel like they are being heard.
HOLMES: You expect them to continue to grow?
REYNOLDS: Definitely.
HOLMES: We're just getting started, you think?
REYNOLDS: If New York is any example and the - and the occupations that are sprouting up all over the United States, Boston, Philly, D.C., L.A., San Francisco, Portland -
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Minnesota -
REYNOLDS: -- this is the beginning.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
HOLMES: And these have been popping up all over the place, as you see there. So far at least a dozen states where we have seen these Occupy rallies.
Give you a look now at some of the other stories making headlines on this SUNDAY MORNING. We're learning more about the death sentence imposed by the White House on an American-born radical Muslim. "The New York Times" reports a secret memo written last year made the case of - the legal case for killing Anwar al-Awlaki. al-Awlaki allegedly helped plan terrorist attacks intended for American soil. The memo concluded that al-Awlaki could be legally targeted if it was not feasible to capture him. The memo did not create a new legal doctrine to allow the targeted killing of any Americans believed to pose a terrorist threat.
Also, the president's jobs bill will be put to the test in just a few days. The Senate expected to take it up and vote on the $447 billion package. Congressional Budget Office says the plan's tax on millionaires would raise an estimated $453 billion, still Republicans don't like this plan.
The president is pushing ahead anyway, apart from a series of targeted tax cuts, the bill includes infrastructure spending and new job training assistance.
Also, Texas Congressman Ron Paul has taken another straw poll. He came in first at the Values Voter Summit in Washington this weekend. Locked down 37 percent of the vote. Herman Cain second with 23 percent. Rick Santorum third with 16 percent. Ron Paul also won straw polls in California and South Carolina.
Well, New Hampshire can expect a lot of attention this week. Most of the Republican presidential candidates are taking part Tuesday in a debate focusing on the nation's economy.
Our Deputy Political Director, Paul Steinhauser, has a preview of that, plus a look at the president's schedule this week.
PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Hey. Good morning, T.J.
You know, the road to the White House goes through New Hampshire this week. The state that holds the first primary in the campaign season is the scene for a Republican presidential debate Tuesday night. There's a lot at stake for the candidates, especially Rick Perry. The Texas governor has seen his poll numbers drop since his uneven performance in the last debate last month in Florida.
So while the GOP candidates share the stage in New Hampshire, President Barack Obama is heading to two battleground states on Tuesday. He's promoting his jobs plan at an event in Pennsylvania, and later in the day he heads to Florida to raise money for his re- election bid - T.J.
HOLMES: All right. Thirty-five minutes past the hour.
And it's the sign we love to see out in San Francisco. This never ever gets old. I've been able to see this show out there. Kicking off fleet week, ah, in the Bay Area. The Navy's Blue Angels performing as always to a packed waterfront. More details next.
Stay with us on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING.
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HOLMES: Thirty-eight minutes past the hour. What a lovely day to be with us for you this morning. Getting a live look out in the Bay Area, the lovely Bay Area. A little traffic still going on out there at 3:40 in the morning. What's going on out there, Reynolds?
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Probably driving. People most do in traffic today (ph). You know, when they get behind the wheel and you're sitting comfortably in the seat, usually you're going in on one direction or another. HOLMES: Maybe I should have explained what I meant when I said -
WOLF: I thought you mean - I thought you were being literal. Good tunes.
HOLMES: Good stuff. But we stay in the Bay Area, we're showing you that it's the middle of the night picture. But the daytime picture, a lovely daytime picture. This is just gorgeous.
Every single year, I love this. Fleet Week out there. Blue Angels performing in the skies over San Francisco. And this show right over the water. This is the attraction of Fleet Week. It's always packed out there. You have to wait, you know, for those - for that fog to break a little in the afternoon. Make sure you can see the good show. But it always works out just gorgeous.
Started with a parade of Navy ships sailing under the Golden Gate Bridge and then the Blue Angels took over, performed. And this just never gets old.
WOLF: You know, I don't know how many people came out for the event yesterday. But I can tell you that about a year or so ago they had nearly a million people from all around the Bay Area that came out. I had a buddy actually yesterday who works for one of the local affiliates who was actually driving in. And they've - they're bringing all the - all kinds of aircraft. Not only the Blue Angels, but he is driving his way across the main bridge, he looks up and sees the stealth fighter just flying along and he just, wow, it's cool stuff.
HOLMES: It is.
WOLF: And what a great weather for them yesterday, too.
HOLMES: OK.
WOLF: Yes. So - and I can tell you not only for the Blue Angels but anyone flying on the West Coast, no delays expected. It's going to be different in the center of the U.S. still getting strong storms, anyone trying to fly into Bergstrom and Austin and even San Antonio, you're going to be grounded for a bit across (INAUDIBLE).
HOLMES: A bit. What's a bit?
WOLF: Ah, you can see. I'd say at least a delay for an hour or so.
But the biggest issue is not going to be really thunderstorms, T.J., but just the heavy rainfall. You know, it's funny. We talked about how Texas has been mired down with the heavy droughts. And, of course, they have a ridiculous fire season, too, all kinds of rough problems there. Looks like today their problems could be compounded all due to this frontal boundary that extends well over 1,000 miles from the U.S.-Canadian border clear down.
You see this area of low pressure. You see that blue thing. Well, that blue thing is the frontal boundary. What you have is a contrast of air types. And once that very - for once they get very cold air that's coming in from the north, right behind it - or actually on the front of it, you get moist air feeding in from the Gulf of Mexico. These are contrasts.
And when they have these contrasting air masses, what happens - this front causes that moist air to rise up and condenses. You have the thunderheads and with that the heavy rainfall. Anyone along parts of, say, I-35 today, expect heavy rainfall especially in places like Austin southward into San Antonio.
Meanwhile, for much of the southeast, it's going to be warm to almost it's going to be spring-like. A lot of the crispness that was in that fall air is now going to feel more summery to you. A lot of that moisture feeding into Florida, South Georgia and the Carolinas. It's very breezy, too, especially in South Georgia.
High pressure over the northeast is going to be just delightful for you. A light touch of snow. Light for some people, say, if you happen to be in Colorado, anywhere from 8 to 12 inches of snowfall. But if you're in the southeast, you'd have eight inches of snow, you're going to go nuts. Everything is relative, of course.
In parts of the Pacific Northwest, expect some scattered showers, great basin, for much of the West Coast is going to be picture perfect.
Speaking of rain, we were talking about Texas. But look at the rainfall yesterday in Florida. Vero Beach, 8.32; in Coco Beach, 7.08; over five inches of rainfall in Melbourne, Wichita Falls, Texas, back to the Central Plains we go 2.63 and 2.41 in Sweetwater. And still the rain's going to continue.
That rain-cooled air is going to be cooling things off in places like Dallas. The high is going to be 77; 83 in Houston; 83 in Kansas City; 81 in Minneapolis; to the East Coast we go, mid 80s from Boston to New York; about 80 degrees in Washington, D.C. Some places may be a bit warmer around towards Chevy Chase.
Meanwhile in parts of, say, the Northern Plains into the Central Rockies, back into Billings and Salt Lake City, 50s and 60s; 79 in Los Angeles; 59 in Seattle.
All right. That is your forecast. T.J., back to you.
HOLMES: All right. Reynolds, thank you.
WOLF: You bet.
HOLMES: And we're at 42 minutes past the hour now.
Two women get into a fight inside a Wal-Mart. But they don't just throw punches. They start throwing something else off the shelves. And a hazmat team has to be brought in. I'll explain in just a moment. And also, India has a reputation for coming up with new innovations to make life easier and can do this at pretty cheap prices. Well, really cheap now. A fully loaded tablet computer for $35. That is in your "Morning Passport," which is next. You better stay with me.
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HOLMES: All right. We're about a quarter off the top of the hour.
Nadia Bilchik is joining me for our "Morning Passport." And iPad's pretty expensive.
NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: iPads are pretty expensive, but not in Hyderabad, India if you're a student.
HOLMES: If you're a student.
BILCHIK: There's a big but.
HOLMES: OK.
BILCHIK: So what has happen is the company called Datawind, which is actually a British Company, has - is working with the Indian government to come up with a $35 tablet which was launched on Wednesday.
HOLMES: $35.
BILCHIK: $35.
HOLMES: And there's no catch here. And it's only available for the students right now we're talking about.
BILCHIK: It really is the - basically the Indian government ordered 100,000. They will eventually have 10 million.
HOLMES: Wow.
BILCHIK: So you're probably wondering how can it be so cheap.
HOLMES: I'm listening.
BILCHIK: Well, because of the volume, 10 million eventually. Also through the apps, the subscriptions and the advertising. Also, Datawind is going to cut out the middleman very much by manufacturing parts versus outsourcing the parts.
HOLMES: OK.
BILCHIK: Now, the thing is, there are about 100,000 institutions in India where there is Wi-Fi so - forgive me, not 100,000, about 1,000 -
HOLMES: OK. BILCHIK: -- institutions in India that have Wi-Fi. So student can be using these. The idea was let's find a cheap tablet that can be used for the masses. So break the digital divide, so to speak.
HOLMES: OK. But this thing is just fully equipped here. It can handle its own. It's not like they had to short it or cut some things out that doesn't have the features, it's a fully functioning computer.
BILCHIK: It's fully functioning but it only has a three-hour battery life.
HOLMES: OK.
BILCHIK: Although Suneet Tuli, who is the CEO of Datawind promises me that it does have a solar panel. Because think about the reality of electricity. If this is going to go to the rural areas in India, there's a problem with electricity and the Internet. Then also the cost of the Internet.
So right now, it is available, they gave 500 students on Wednesday during the launch one of these new tablets. Ironically, Wednesday was the day that Steve Jobs died. So an extraordinary thing.
Now, they are going to have a commercial version of this called the U.B. Slate and that's going to be about $60.
HOLMES: That's a great deal.
BILCHIK: But once again, you're only buying the hardware. It's the apps, the subscriptions and the advertising that are going to cost.
HOLMES: But still, that should help you out. $60 for the tablet - I mean, I don't know how much apps and this will cost you, but still, compared to $500, $600, $700, $800- plus for a lot of these other tablets.
BILCHIK: But it's going to be interesting to see in the next couple of years if the tablets are going to get much cheaper and then what you pay for all the downloads and all the other things.
So if you think you have an iPhone. You told me you have an iPhone.
HOLMES: I have the iPhone. I have the iPad. I got the "I" everything.
BILCHIK: You have the "I" everything.
So with your iPhone, the iPhone itself is not where the company makes its money, it's from the applications that's on your phone service.
HOLMES: The monthly bill. BILCHIK: And the monthly bill. So, yes, the hardware certainly at a reduced price. But it's all the other things that come with it where the company will make its money.
But I did have the pleasure of speaking to the CEO. Suneet Singh Tuli, he was clearly a genius and quite brilliant technologically and would like to bring technology to the mass in India and in fact across the world.
HOLMES: All right. How long - before we'll let you go, before the $60 one that's available to the masses, how long?
BILCHIK: In November.
HOLMES: In November. All right.
BILCHIK: In November, the commercial one. And that also will have a phone modem all for $60, breaking the digital divide.
HOLMES: Nadia Bilchik, breaking the digital divide for us this morning. Thank you. We'll see you again here shortly.
Another tablet to tell you about this morning on this topic. This one certainly not $35. This one pretty much priceless - and top secret. It's a top-secret iPad that is carrying so much classified information that only a few people are allowed to see it.
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HOLMES: We're about 10 minutes off the top of the hour.
And a top-secret iPad to tell you about. Only a few people in the military can use it.
Our Barbara Starr goes in depth as the military goes mobile.
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: T.J., not only does the Commander In Chief use an iPad, but his top military adviser, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says his iPad is indispensable.
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STARR (on camera): I'm noticing the red sticker.
GEN. MARTIN DEMPSEY, JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN: Sure.
STARR: Secret.
DEMPSEY: Yes.
STARR: So this is an iPad that contains some of this nation's most critical day-to-day military secrets.
DEMPSEY: Well, I don't want to over dramatize it. But it does - it does have information on it that certainly you wouldn't want anyone else to have access to. It's not wireless yet. We're not to the point where we can have these things - can have secret information sitting in a cloud for the chairman.
But they will load it up, send it to the House, and it will have the daily brief. It will have the Intel brief. It will have, you know, a walk around the world. It will answer my, what we call commander's critical information requirements.
STARR (voice-over): General Martin Dempsey says his iPad is not only crucial for him, but it's the kind of technology the entire military now depends on.
DEMPSEY: And what I'm interested in, by the way, is, you know, we have - one of the lessons we've learned over the last 10 years of war is the extent to which, you know, we've pushed capability to the edge, to empower that - that junior leader at the edge of all of this with the information he needs to understand what's going on.
STARR: The Military does have to be careful. Due to worries about viruses and worms, most devices must be used in a stand-alone mode. They cannot be directly connected to military computer network.
DEMPSEY: This is probably the tactical outpost of the future. Because the power, the generating power and the data management power of these devices in the future, and I'm looking out to about 2020 or such, that wherever the commander is, if he and his staff have these devices, this can be your tactical operation center. Every bit of information you'll need at some point will be available to you right here.
STARR: But even pilots flying over Afghanistan and Libya used commercial maps loaded on to their iPads when flying combat missions.
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STARR: Apple, of course, isn't the only company with this kind of technology. But in one sign of the high regard the military has for the company, last year a number of senior army officers went to Apple Headquarters in California to see how Steve Jobs and Apple made it all happen - T.J.
HOLMES: All right. Thanks to our Barbara Starr there.
And coming up, the hazmat teams had to be called in to a Wal-Mart Store in Maryland. Why? Two shoppers were trying to beat the bleach out of each other. That story is next.
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HOLMES: All right. As we get close to the top of the hour now, a government panel recommending that healthy men stop getting routine blood tests that check for prostate cancer. The panel says screenings lead to treatments that can sometimes do more harm than good.
We talked to a doctor who disagrees. He says these tests are still important.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DR. OMER KUCUK, WINSHIP CANCER INSTITUTE, EMORY UNIVERSITY: First of all, we have to - the message is it is a preventable disease. Physical activity, exercise, it's - easily preventable. You can cut down the prostate cancer risk by 30 percent just by doing 30 minutes of exercise a day. And a diet that's rich in vegetables, especially tomato products, can prevent prostate cancer.
But if you can't prevent it, we have to catch it early. It is clear that we can cure the disease if we catch it early. We can only cure it if it's caught early at an early stage and you need to do surgery and radiation, of course, to cure it. But you have to catch it at an early stage. And the only test we have right now to catch it early is PSA tests.
HOLMES: OK.
KUCUK: Without the PSA - until we come up with a better test, I think it is important to continue with testing and to catch the disease it at an early stage when it's still curable.
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HOLMES: Now, the recommendation from the Task Force has been met with a lot of criticism now. The public will be allowed to weigh in before a final recommendation is issued.
Give you a look now at some of the stories making headlines across the country. We start in Baltimore County in Maryland where a Wal-Mart Store had to be evacuated after two women got into a fight. Authorities say they were going at it, but not just with their fists, they started pulling bleach and ammonia off the shelves and tossing it at each other.
Now, one of the women had to be taken to jail. Another had to be taken to the eye doctor. Two other people had to go to the hospital, as well. And, yes, a hazmat team was brought in to clean up the mess. No word on exactly what they got into it about in the first place.
And in Nashville, Tennessee, hundreds of Tea Party activists turned out on behalf of Gibson guitars. Not just there for a concert but for a protest. The federal government - you may remember raided two of the company's factories a couple of months ago over alleged illegal wood imports from India. The protesters say the government shouldn't be trying to shut down badly needed jobs in a tough economy.
Also in one Sacramento, California neighborhood, they are talking turkey - wild turkey. Check this out. Apparently these turkeys have been chasing folks around. If you're out for a jog, pushing a baby in a stroller, literally, it's the attack of the wild turkeys. And I believe this is a video from one of our affiliates out there who went to check out the story. And they became victims of the wild turkey.
As we cross the top of the hour here on the CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Good morning to you all.
And we are going to show you how things played out at one of these "Occupy" rallies, this one in Atlanta. Congressman and Civil Rights icon John Lewis showed up, but they refused to let him speak. That story just ahead.
Also, you may be heading to the store today. There's something you need to know. When you walk inside that store, don't turn to your right. I'll explain how the retailers are tricking you into spending more money.
From the CNN Center in Atlanta, Georgia, this is your CNN SUNDAY MORNING on this October 9th. It's 7:00 a.m. here in Atlanta, 4:00 a.m. out in San Francisco. Wherever you are, we are glad you are right here.
And this is going to be a big week. A big week for the president's jobs bill. It's going to get a test here in just a couple of days. The Senate expected to vote on the $447 billion package. And while the Congressional Budget Office says the plan's tax on millionaires is going to raise an estimated $453 billion.
Republicans still don't like the plan and don't like that tax. The president is moving ahead. We heard from him this weekend.
Take a listen.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Some see this as class warfare. I see it as a simple choice. We can either keep taxes exactly as they are for millionaires and billionaires, or we can ask them to pay at least the same rate as a plumber or a bus driver. And in the process, we can put teachers and construction workers and veterans back on the job. We can either fight to protect their tax cuts, or we can cut taxes for virtually every worker and small business in America. But we can't afford to do both. It's that simple.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-K), MINORITY LEADER: As you know, the -- there have been numerous calls by the president and some of his assistant that we move forward on his -- what he calls his job package and what we call stimulus two. In fact, the president just today either will say or has already said at least put the jobs bill up for a vote so that the entire country knows exactly where every member of Congress stands. I hope the majority will respond to the request of the president that we give everybody a chance to go on record on the second stimulus bill.
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HOLMES: The majority leader in the House meanwhile saying that the full bill will not get a vote in that chamber.
On the subject of jobs now, we've got the report on the nation's economy, 9.1 percent we stayed for the month of September, as far as the unemployment rate goes. And about 100,000 jobs were added.
The National Retail Federation says stores expected to hire 500,000 workers for the holidays. Among those looking for workers, Macy's, expect to add 78,000 jobs. Kohl's plans to add 40,000 jobs. Toys "R" Us plans to add 4,000 workers, and Best Buy looking for 15,000 worker, as well.
Even though these are those temporary holiday jobs, oftentimes they can lead to permanent positions after the holidays.
Turning to politics now. And Ron Paul is getting another straw poll win. You know, he is one of a number trying to capture the Republican presidential nomination. But he got the most votes at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. Thirty-seven percent, he ran away with this thing. Herman Cain finished second with 23 percent, followed by Rick Santorum with 16 percent. Rick Perry, he came in fourth, and Mitt Romney, the perceived front-runner, he came in sixth. And both Governor Perry and Governor Romney were in single digits.
Three minutes past the hour. More this morning, we're learning about the White House decision to kill Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen and al Qaeda leader in Yemen. "New York Times" reporting a secret memo made the legal case for killing him. Al-Awlaki allegedly helped the so-called underwear bomber attempt to set off a bomb on a Detroit-bound plane in 2009. The memo concluded that al-Awlaki could be legally targeted if it was not feasible to capture him.
After his death, the White House took heat for killing an American citizen. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul says the killing sets a bad precedent.
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REP. RON PAUL (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If the American people accept this blindly and casually, we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys. I think it's sad.
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HOLMES: According to "The New York Times" report, the memo was prepared specifically for al-Awlaki and does not set a precedent for killing Americans suspected of terrorist activities.
Let's turn back now to those protests, the "Occupy Wall Street" protests that have been going on for about four weeks now. And they look like they continue to grow. We have seen demonstrations that you can see in this map here across the country. Those are the states, people expressing their frustration with the lack of jobs, perceived corporate greed, anger over government leadership.
Protests are going on in a dozen states and a number of cities at least so far. Among the demonstrations we saw this weekend, in the nation's capital, as well.
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CROWD: End the war, tax the rich! End the war, tax the rich!
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HOLMES: These are demonstrators or other demonstrations in Sacramento, California, yesterday, hearing a familiar theme at these protests. Here it is.
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CROWD: This is what democracy looks like!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Show me what democracy looks like.
CROWD: This is, this is what democracy looks like!
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HOLMES: And we're going to turn now specifically to an "Occupy Atlanta" demonstration -- kind of an interesting back and forth playing out there. We had a few hundred people show up at the Atlanta rally.
One of them, civil rights icon and Georgia Congressman John Lewis. He showed up to show his support, wanted to address the crowd. But the protesters, many of them, didn't appreciate that. Didn't want it hear him. And so they wanted to put it to a vote.
Want you to listen to what happened. You'll hear the people near the speaker repeating what the speaker here is saying. And so, those who are farther away can actually hear what's going on. So, that explains the dynamic.
Now listen to how this played out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has fought for the freedom --
CROWD: He has fought for the freedom --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- and the dignity and the respect --
CROWD: -- and the dignity and respect --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- of countless lives.
CROWD: -- of countless lives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: However --
CROWD: However --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- the point of this general assembly --
CROWD: -- the point this general assembly --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- is to kick-start --
CROWD: -- is to kick-start --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- a democratic process --
CROWD: -- a democratic process --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- in which no singular human being --
CROWD: -- in which no singular human being --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- is inherently more valuable --
CROWD: -- is inherently more valuable --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- than any other human being.
CROWD: -- than any other human being.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
(CHEERS)
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HOLMES: This went on for several minutes, a lot of back and forth. Speakers are saying that they wanted to hear from the congressman. But many other ended up voting saying they did not. There were people there who expressed some anger and disappointment that they were able to get the attention of an influential congressman like Congressman Lewis. Then when he showed up, he wasn't allowed to have a conversation with them.
Meanwhile, Congresswoman Lewis was standing by right there as all this playing out. He eventually was able to speak but not to the crowd. He ended up talking to the local media right after.
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REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: In another time, in another period, when I was very young and head of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, better known as SNCC, we participated in a similar process. We would discuss, we would debate, until we reached consensus. So, this is not something strange, out of the ordinary for people.
REPORTER: Are you disappointed that you did not get a chance --
LEWIS: No. Not at all. Not at all.
REPORTER: What do you feel it says about the organizational process?
LEWIS: Well, it will work out. They're growing, mature, it will work out. It will come of age.
(END VIDEO CLIP) HOLMES: Congressman Lewis will join us next hour. Want to stay with us for that. Hear his take on how things are going with these occupy movements and also what happened at the Atlanta rally.
Also, this isn't the first time we have seen something like this happen. Charlie Rangel, congressman from New York, he showed up at one of the occupy rallies in New York, and a lot of those protesters clearly didn't appreciate having him there.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Budget for your own (INAUDIBLE) go home. Get out of here! Boo! Boo! Boo! Boo!
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HOLMES: Afterwards, Representative Rangel said he wasn't sure if he was the target of that heckling, but says if he was, he understands.
We turn now to the manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson's personal physician. When jurors get back to the courtroom on Tuesday of this week, they'll hear the rest of a taped interview police did with Dr. Conrad Murray who talked about the final hours of Jackson's life.
Our Ted Rowlands is covering the case for us in Los Angeles.
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TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Coming up next week in the Conrad Murray trial, we'll pick up right where we left off last week. And that is with the playing of that audiotape of Dr. Conrad Murray talking to investigators.
This was an interview he gave investigators just two days after Michael Jackson died. The jury has heard about an hour and 40 minutes of the tape already. It's a two-hour tape. So, there's not too much left to go. What they've heard so far has been riveting. Murray talks about what happened in those moments before Jackson died, what he give Jackson in term of prescriptions or medications.
He also talks about the fact that he gave Michael Jackson Propofol every single day during the two months he was treating him until the last few days. He said he was trying to help the pop star wean himself off of this powerful, powerful drug.
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DR. CONRAD MURRAY: I cared about him. I didn't want him to fail. I had no intentions of hurting him and I was compassionate. But what it was doing to recognizing Michael Jackson may have had a dependency to substance, I was trying to wean him off.
(END AUDIO CLIP) ROWLANDS: Following the conclusion of that interview tape being played to the jury, we expect that the prosecution will start to wrap up their case. We expect they'll be done sometime early next week. There's no court on Monday. So that means the defense will get their chance at some point next week.
Ted Rowlands, CNN, Los Angeles.
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HOLMES: Ten minutes past the hour now. And take a look what has come to Denver. Some areas actually getting a snowstorm? Reynolds is here with me now.
Reynolds, are these the same areas that a week ago had temperature in the 80s?
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, right you are. And what we're seeing is a big transformation. This is what happens when you make that jump from one season to another. We're moving into fall. That's what fall looks like in parts of the central Rockies.
Fall, though, in parts of Texas looking very different now. There was a time in central Texas where they couldn't buy a raindrop. Now they're getting tons of rain. In fact, more than they need. In fact, we've got flash flood watches this morning in effect in central Texas. More on that coming up in a few moments.
Sit tight. We'll see you then.
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HOLMES: All right. Quarter past the hour now. And I was going to ask you a question about this video --
WOLF: Oh, bring it on.
HOLMES: Well, no, no. You've been in a sarcastic mood. I just didn't want to set myself up here. This is in Denver, qualifies as a snowstorm?
WOLF: You know, to say this is a snowstorm, I would definitely say so, yes. The first blast of snow they've had. First winter-like precipitation in a very long time. But keep in mind, you know, if you ever spend any time in the Rocky Mountains, you're going to have snow on those year-round.
This is just the first time we're seeing something at what they call the front range of the Rockies. Back when you get to the northern Rockies, back in say the -- even before it gets to the Pacific range of the Cascades. I mean, this for the Rockies is the first snowfall that we're seeing where people are dealing with it.
HOLMES: And people are or at least we were here amazed to think that a week ago, it was 85 or something like that in the same area. WOLF: Transitions, absolutely. And all this because of a front moving through the U.S. And what's interesting, T.J., is on the other side of this, in the place like Austin, Texas, where they were dealing with fires, and places like Bastrop, Burnet County. Now, what they're getting is a surplus of rainfall.
Here's the big weather maker right now. You know, we showed you that video moment ago. The thing that's causing all this is this area of low pressure. It's a giant mixing bowl.
You have moisture coming in from the Gulf. On the back side, you've got frigid air that comes in from the north. Everything spins counterclockwise around an area of low pressure.
Now, when we're talking snow, of course, the highest points are going to see maybe a foot of snowfall in places. Where you get into Texas, this is where you could see the heavy rainfall and we're talking about heavy rain. It's all going to come in a couple of doses. We've seen a prefrontal trough right about here and a little bit of secondary installment here.
But the main front is still back over parts of, say, Junction, Texas. Clear up to Abilene.
If you're wondering how much rainfall you can expect, some of these places may see anywhere from six, maybe seven inches of rainfall just for today and into tonight. But for the next 48 hours, take a look at this. Still get the frontal boundary. You still have the area of low pressure. Then again, the numbers, the time frame going the next 48 hours, anywhere from four to 10 inches of rainfall possible for Dallas.
Again, you have to think of what a turn of event we've had in this part of the world. We've been so dry, and now we're making a very, very damp recovery. And, unfortunately, for many of the farmers, it's too late to recoup on the -- the growing season, they lost out on that. Issues with the livestock, too late for that, too. But, again, at least you have some changes.
Eighty degrees is going to be your change in Chicago. It was very chilly there a few days ago, warming up there. Warming up in places like Boston, New York, 84 degrees. Eighty-four also for much of the northeast, 80 in Washington, 71 in Atlanta.
But this area of low pressure and the front is all going to drift its way to the east. The warm-up you're enjoying across the Ohio Valley and Upper Midwest, it's not going to last long. And you can expect the changes to make their way across, from west to east, and that little bit of rebound in spots like Salt Lake City and up towards Billings. We're not saying going to the 90s or anything, but you will rebound possibly in the 70s and 80s, a few of these spots.
Wrapping up, Albuquerque, your high today of 62, 79 in Los Angeles, 65 in Portland, 77 in Dallas, and 86 down in Miami.
That is your forecast, T.J., your turn. HOLMES: All right, Reynolds, thank you.
And at 17 minutes past the hour, the next time you if shopping, could be today, it's a weekend, you like to get out. When you go to the store today, don't turn to the right when you enter the store because retailers have figured you out. They know exactly what you are going to do, and they're going to use that to get you to spend more money.
Clyde Anderson is next. He's going to try to keep you from falling for it.
Stay with us.
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HOLMES: All right. Twenty-two minutes past the hour.
Let's say good morning to our Clyde Anderson, financial analyst.
CLYDE ANDERSON, FINANCIAL ANALYST: Good morning.
HOLMES: And we're talking about these stores that are studying us.
ANDERSON: Yes.
HOLMES: They're figuring us out and then they're tricking us into buying something. Now, how much time, energy, effort and money do they put into this kind of research?
ANDERSON: Millions of dollars.
HOLMES: Really?
ANDERSON: Millions of dollars. This is a big game. We got to realize the game and we got to play it like it's a game.
But we don't know rules a lot of times and so we lose.
HOLMES: OK. And they're spending millions because clearly they get us to spend millions in the store.
ANDERSON: Exactly.
HOLMES: All right. Here's one of the tricks. It's the display. And even how they fold the clothes is meant to entice us?
ANDERSON: It's called the magic fold. It's the way they fold the clothes. It's a proper fold. And it looks so neat there.
But, also, you have that display with the wonderful model with the shirt on that's wearing the shirt. And then you believe you're going to look like that model in the shirt there. So, you're going to go ahead and purchase it.
It looks so neat there standing there. You can't refuse that.
HOLMES: I just thought they stack them because you want a clean, neat store. You say that plays on our mind.
ANDERSON: It plays on your mind. It looks so wonderfully stacked there. You want to go ahead and purchase that shirt.
HOLMES: OK, here we go. You're telling me buy one/get one free is not a good deal sometimes?
ANDERSON: Not always. Sometimes it can be.
HOLMES: If I buy one, I get another one free. It's a good deal.
ANDERSON: Now tell me this -- do you always know what the original price was?
HOLMES: Yes.
ANDERSON: If you don't know what the original price was, how can you really know if you're getting a deal? That's what you got to look for. So, if you don't know that, they could be already increasing the price to go ahead and give you that. They're just trying up to the numbers. So, the more units they sell, the better the numbers look.
HOLMES: OK, I don't know about that one. Buy one, get one free -- that always is a good deal.
ANDERSON: Sounds good.
HOLMES: All right. Here's the one. I teased it a second ago. When you walk into the store, don't turn to your right. This is something we would never think about.
ANDERSON: They're anticipating that you're going to turn to the right. The majority of people in this country are right-handed. And so, what do we do, we turn to the right. So, they're going to put the higher cost items over to the right. They're going to play the music a little bit louder to the right hand side --
HOLMES: Really?
ANDERSON: -- to attract you over to that side.
And so, the new items, the feature items, the things that are higher priced or higher ticket items, they're going to have to move it to the right.
HOLMES: So, chances are, you will -- aren't you going to eventually get around to that part of the store anyway?
ANDERSON: Sometimes maybe. Sometimes not. It depends on what you're doing. You may spend all your money before you get to the left.
HOLMES: OK, here's another one. Everybody probably knows this one. Those little things at the counter as you're standing there waiting to pay, you see all this little stuff around you.
ANDERSON: We should know. It seems like we should know. We've known this. We talked about this. But we still fall for it. You know, it's the impulse items.
So, we're standing there. We're waiting at the register. That looks good. It's only a couple bucks, I'll buy it. And they know that you're going to do that.
So, that's why they strategically place them there for you to go and buy stuff that you really don't need. It was not your intention when you came in the store and buy it.
HOLMES: OK. These little add-ons that you just reminded me.
Let's put -- OK, let's put up the graphic now.
ANDERSON: Yes.
HOLMES: This is what we need to keep in mind when we go shopping. I had to do this today. So, shop with cash.
ANDERSON: Shop with cash. This is the best way to do it because now you know exactly when the cash is gone. Shopping should be done as well.
HOLMES: Good point.
What do you mean know your favorite retailer?
ANDERSON: Know your favorite retailers. I mean, know the brands, and the prices of the brands. So when you go in there, you know exactly is this really a sale or is this not a sale? Was this item less last week and increased it and now put it on sale? You need to know that.
HOLMES: What is the clearance thing there?
ANDERSON: Clearance thing -- you know, the clearance items are always in the back of the store. Go directly to the back of the store. If you look for the clearance items, and also the clearance items are usually messy.
You just overlook some of that. They do that intentionally. They want you to get frustrated and not buy those clearance items.
HOLMES: So, they're not really trying to get rid off it, huh?
ANDERSON: No, no, they're not really trying to get rid off it.
HOLMES: Now, resist the urge. You can't resist the urge.
ANDERSON: We've got to, especially in this economy. We got to really resist our urge. We got to realize what we're doing.
HOLMES: People these days don't have a choice but to resist the urge.
ANDERSON: Yes. Well, you would think.
HOLMES: You would think. That's a good point.
ANDERSON: Exactly. We're still out there spending. Yes, we're still out there spending.
HOLMES: Clyde, good to see you as always, my man.
ANDERSON: My pleasure.
HOLMES: Good stuff this morning. Don't turn to the right, folks.
But we will be right back. Stay here.
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HOLMES: Some of the stories making headlines:
Georgia's Democratic Congressman John Lewis says he is not offended that the occupy Atlanta protesters wouldn't let him speak to them when he showed up at one of their rallies over the weekend. Lewis says he can relate to what they're trying to accomplish, noting the movement is similar to the civil rights marches of the early '60s. We'll be talking live with Congressman Lewis. He is my guest next hour.
Also, "The New York Times" reporting on a secret memo that spelled out the government's justification for the killing of radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. The U.S.-born Muslim was killed in a CIA drone strike over Yemen about two weeks ago. The memo concluded that al-Awlaki could be legally targeted if it was not feasible to capture him.
Also, President Obama, he used his weekly address to push lawmakers to approve his jobs bill. The Senate is expected to vote on the $447 billion measure this week. The national unemployment rate is still at 9.1 percent.
Also, long-time Texas Congressman Ron Paul, he came out on top in the values voter straw poll that held -- held was a gathering of conservatives in Washington. He got 37 percent of the vote. Herman Cain finished second with 23 percent, Rick Santorum third with 16 percent. Meanwhile, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney both came in fourth and sixth respectively. Both in single digits.
And actress Zsa Zsa Gabor is in UCLA's Ronald Reagan Medical Center. She was rushed to the hospital last night for an undisclosed condition, but the 94-year-old actress has been battling major health problems recently and has been unable to walk since a car accident back in 2002.
We certainly thank you for being with us here for the CNN SUNDAY MORNING. CNN SUNDAY MORNING, however, continues at the top of the hour. I'll be back with you with more live news. I will see you then.
