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Search for 10-Month-Old Baby Lisa Continues in Missouri

Aired October 10, 2011 - 20:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight out of America`s heartland, where a 10-month-old baby girl, an adorable child, goes missing without a trace, kidnapped from her own crib in the dead of night. The family goes to sleep while Daddy works the night shift. Then the father comes home to find the crib empty and baby Lisa gone, the front door unlocked, a window open, the family`s cell phones missing.

Tonight, the mystery of missing baby Lisa. Where is she?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m terrified, but I`m trying to be hopeful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our daughter, Lisa, was taken from our home.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I came home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something`s really wrong!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window was -- in the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, She`s not in the crib. And I said, What do you mean she`s not in the crib?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His baby daughter missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police saying that the parents just abruptly refused to continue talking with investigators.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who knows more?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search for the missing baby girl, 10-month- old, Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A team of FBI agents sweep the nearby grounds with metal detectors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The landfill in Kansas City.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detectives simulated what may have happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chasing down everything we can find.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s completed (ph) our family. I can`t be without her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) the baby just vanishing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just disappeared!


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. A 10-month-old baby girl reported missing from her Missouri home, kidnapped from her own crib in the middle of the night.

For the very latest, let`s go straight to CNN correspondent Ed Lavandera live in Kansas City, where the search for the baby is under way. Ed, what`s the latest?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that search continues, and we`ve seen people and investigators continue to return here to the house here in this Kansas City neighborhood. That is the house you see behind me, the greenish-toned house, where baby Lisa was abducted almost exactly a week ago.

So clearly, as time passes by, this news becomes potentially much more devastating and much more serious. But the investigators that we`ve seen coming back here to this house are focusing on an area in the back of the house with -- where there`s a creek. We`ve seen them the last few days repeatedly go back there. We`ve seen investigators out here with metal detectors, working in the front yard and in the yards and in the areas around the house. They continue to do that. That`s been an area of focus that they`ve done over the last three or four days.

So that is what they continue to do. Despite all of that, they say they have no leads, no concrete evidence as to where baby Lisa might be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Joe Gomez, reporter, KTRH News Radio, it`s my understanding that authorities -- and I`ve actually seen the video -- did a demonstration for themselves of whether or not somebody could break into the home by climbing through the window. And one of the officers who climbed through the window in question -- there he is -- got in but said that, well, it wasn`t easy to get in. Now, it`s a ground floor...

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH: It wasn`t easy!


GOMEZ: It wasn`t easy to get in!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... what do you know?

GOMEZ: That`s right, Jane. I mean, well, I mean, at issue here is whether or not somebody broke into this home through this window. Could they do that in the middle of the night, in the dead of night? So police officers were trying to demonstrate how easy -- if it would be easy, indeed, to break into the house through the window.

Obviously, an officer is crawling in through the window, but the window comes falling down on his legs. Additionally, he needs help to even be boosted up to the window. So that`s curious. Did that really happen? Is that how somebody got in there and stole that 10-month-old baby girl, just snatched her out of her crib?

I don`t know, Jane. So right now, we`re trying to debunk (SIC) this thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ll say that it`s happened before. Jessica Lunsford was taken out of her home while she was sleeping. Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her home while she was in bed sleeping. It happens.

And climbing through a first floor window is not the toughest thing in the world, Bill Grady, reporter, News Radio 980 KMBZ. Why the skepticism about this story?

BILL GRADY, NEWS RADIO 980, KMBZ (via telephone): Well, I think, Jane, that the skepticism about the story stems from the fact that there have been some inconsistencies with the way that the parents have conducted themselves.

Now, initially, things were going reasonably well, and then on Friday, the Kansas City, Missouri, police say that the couple -- and that would be Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin -- ceased to cooperate with them. They came back and said, No, that`s not it at all. We just needed a break from the long questioning. And they were also a little bit concerned about the fact that in the questioning -- which is this is fairly routine -- they were separated and put into two different -- two different rooms while the questions were asked.

Later on, Deborah Bradley admitted to national media that she had actually failed a polygraph test. So you know, it is not altogether unusual that a family -- it`s generally someone close -- is put under the spotlight, at least initially.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but they said that they stopped cooperating, quote, unquote, because they were just exhausted. They had been interviewed for hours and they just said, We needed a break. And then apparently, Ed, they came back and started cooperating again, and law enforcement said, Never mind, they`re cooperating again.

So I guess it boils down to this. Does the father have an alibi? He says he was at work. Was he seen at work? And B, the mother, who was the last person to see the child before she disappeared, did she or did she not fail a polygraph, Ed?

LAVANDERA: That`s what -- what she`s been telling people, and we`ve gotten this from family members, as well, is that police told her that she had failed the polygraph test when she was talking to them last week in the days just after the abduction.

And obviously, the father was at -- working an overnight shift. He`s an electrician. Apparently, that is out of the ordinary. That`s not a normal shift from him. He had gotten home at 4:00 o`clock in the morning. SO the only person in the house was the mother, Deborah Bradley, and the two older boys that also live -- under the age of 10 that live in the house. And I was told that those boys had fallen asleep watching a movie in a bedroom together.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have Captain Steve Young from the Kansas City Police Department on the phone. Sir, I know you`re very busy, and I know your top priority is finding this child, and that`s why law enforcement has done extensive searches in the area. I know what you can`t tell me, but what can you tell me about this investigation?

CAPT. STEVE YOUNG, KANSAS CITY PD (via telephone): Well, the only thing I guess I can say is -- unfortunately, it`s something I`ve said before -- we don`t have any suspects and we`re still working our tails off to try to figure out what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she or did she not fail a polygraph?

YOUNG: Well, she`s free to say what she would like, but we don`t talk about the details of the investigation, so I can`t go down that road.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Well, at one point, it was said that they were not cooperating. They went on national television, said, Hey, we were just tired. We want to cooperate. This has been exhausting. Certainly, I have no idea what I would be like if my precious 10-month-old disappeared. I`d be a wreck, maybe impossible for me to stand up and even say a word that made sense. And then apparently, they met with you again, and then the police have announced that they are cooperating

So what`s the latest on that front, Captain?

YOUNG: Well, you know, the way you map it out is correct, but we`d really rather not look backward. We`re just glad that they`re cooperating with the investigation again. I don`t have to go on and on about how, surely, they know more about what`s going on in that house than anybody else. And for us to find this missing child, they have to be a part of the investigation. They have to be helping us out. So we`re glad that they`re back to the table with us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One last question, Captain. What about other possibilities? I understand there was a handyman in the area who disappeared and who hasn`t been seen. Obviously, you checked the sex offenders. What`s happening on that front?

YOUNG: Well, you know, everybody`s talking about the parents, but you can`t forget that there`s a whole other part of this thing. And we`ve, you know, tracked down -- well, I can say we`ve received probably by now 300 tips and leads, and we`ve tracked down every single one of them that have anything to go on. So our command post is operational 24 hours a day, and we`re getting a lot of help from local and federal agencies that are farming people out to us, and they`re coming and going from the command post all day long, tracking down leads. So we`re very busy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joe Gomez, I had heard a report that there were search dogs that did not track this child anywhere outside the home. But then again, when you are an infant, you`re not walking on the ground, you`re being held. And so it might be that there was nothing to track. That`s -- does that point one way or another?

GOMEZ: That`s good question, Jane. Now, additionally, searchers were also using metal detectors to scour around the home because, apparently, there were three cell phones missing from the house when this little baby was allegedly kidnapped, as well.

But yes, you`re right, if there was a stranger here that was just walking by and then broke into the house through the window and then picked up this 10-month-old baby girl and obviously carried her out the door, there has to be something there, maybe a footprint, something.

So hopefully -- search crews, you know, they`re going through this with a fine-tooth comb, Jane, and just trying to just get one clue, one clue so we can find out what happened to this beautiful baby girl!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, it`s such an adorable child! Look at that little angel. We`re all frantic. I mean, just the idea that something has happened to her -- she`s out there somewhere. Someone has taken her who doesn`t have her best interests at heart. It`s horrifying to anybody, anybody with a heart.

Mally (ph) in Texas, your question or thought? Mally? All right, well, we`re going to go on to Sheeba, Illinois. Sheeba, Illinois -- all right. Mally, you`re back. Mally in Texas, your question or thought, Mally?

All right, I think what we`re going to do is go to the one and only Pat Brown, criminal profiler. What do you make of this situation?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Jane, it`s a little confusing because the police are really giving not giving out much information. And they`re kind of giving out strange information. First of all, they`re saying, We can`t talk about the case, but we can tell you the parents stopped cooperating, and we can tell you the parents are now cooperating. OK, that`s talking about the case. But you won`t talk about the polygraph. So you`ll talk about what you want to talk about.

They also say the parents -- We`re glad they are cooperating because the parents know more about what happened in that home. Well, not -- yes and no. If all you did was put your child to bed and go to sleep and the child disappears, you don`t know anything more because your child was abducted and you haven`t got a clue. If something happened in the home and you were responsible, then you do know more.

So I keep thinking that the police keep putting the focus back on the parents. For some reason, they`re not buying the mother`s story. I don`t know what she said in the interview room. Maybe there were a lot of red flags that went up, and that`s why they`re looking at her.

I am glad, theoretically, they`re keeping those other options open because it could be something else. I`d like to see them bring in some cadaver dogs if they think that baby didn`t make it out of the home alive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it`s interesting because so often, we`ve seen people who sob on camera, and later, we find out that perhaps their tears are not genuine. But this mother seems -- when she`s sobbing, to me anyway, it seems like real tears of a devastated, hysterical mother.

It is week four of season 13 of "Dancing With the Stars," and our very own Nancy Grace is dancing for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Tonight, she is doing the paso doble. So be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her dancing partner, Tristan MacManus. And everybody here at the NANCY GRACE show says, Good luck, Nancy. You can win this thing! We know you can. Vote for Nancy.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at this picture.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The baby just vanishing (INAUDIBLE) difficult.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look and keep thinking about this infant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were all shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10-month-old baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib. When Kansas City, Missouri, police arrived, they learned the baby`s mother, Deborah Bradley, was the last person to see Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Bring her home!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lisa`s parents reported her missing, but police say they haven`t received a single solid lead in her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI began their investigation focussing on baby Lisa`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re chasing things as they come down. The best thing for us to try to find this child -- that`s our number one priority.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s zero, zero doubt in Deborah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Just drop her off anywhere!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don`t have any other suspects, the one person that was there that night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We don`t care! Just somewhere safe where she can come home! Please!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) finger (ph) out, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody`s got her somewhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They live here. It`s their child. Who knows more?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I told them everything that I knew.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Their involvement in this investigation is critical.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, as authorities said, it is their child, who knows more? However, there are other people that are connected to this family. This is what you might call a blended family. The mother and the father of this precious missing child both have children from other relationships.

Ed Lavandera, CNN correspondent, what do you know about the husband, the current husband, of the mother of this missing baby, not the child`s father?

LAVANDERA: Right. Well, what we do know -- I`m sorry, were you talking about the father of Lisa?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. The mother of this little child, right...

LAVANDERA: Right. Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She has -- her boyfriend, with whom she had this little child. She also has a husband, who is in the Army, to whom she is still married. What do we know about that person? Has he been contacted by authorities? Where is he?

LAVANDERA: Just to be clear, baby Lisa is the child of the two people, obviously, you`ve been showing, Lisa (SIC) and her -- and her -- the man she lives with here, technically not her husband, because as you mentioned, she, according to reports, married to someone else. But there are other -- two older boys that are brothers to baby Lisa, as well. And those are each -- the husband has -- or the man has one and -- and Lisa`s mother has a boy from a previous marriage. So obviously, you know, a complicated situation there.

How that plays into all of this -- you know, look, as you`ve mentioned from -- you know, and kind of got the sense from talking to Steve Young, details like this are kind of hard to sift through, and the family isn`t terribly forthcoming about what it means and how it all kind of factors into the situation we`re dealing with right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Captain Steve Young, this child has two parents. They are not married. The mother of this child is still married to another man, with whom she had another child, who is slightly older, I believe 6 years old. What do we know about that husband, who is reportedly in the Army? Is he based in the United States or is he overseas? Have you talked to him?

YOUNG: Well, honestly, the (INAUDIBLE) thing that I can say for sure is that I`m aware that both of the parents, the biological parents of the missing child. Her marital status or previous relationships, I don`t know and I wouldn`t be able to address anyway. However, I`m sure our detectives are knee deep in it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Pat Brown, it`s significant because we have to look at everybody in this family, not just the two individuals that are there.

BROWN: Oh, it`s extremely significant. I mean, you have to make sure that there isn`t some other problem going on with a previous relationship, some ongoing antagonism. They would want to know whether this husband is anywhere near the area, whether he could have been angry with them and wanted to do something to the couple, or whether he`s completely overseas and has absolutely nothing to do with anything and they know he`s not involved because he has one of the most solid alibis you can possibly have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean, let`s face it, Wendy Walsh -- and we have no idea who this husband is, or whether he`s in the United States or maybe in Afghanistan or another part of the world. But obviously, if you`re still married to someone and they are living with somebody else and having a child with somebody else, that raises an obvious question of whether you might be thrilled about that.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Exactly. I mean, when we`re talking about these complicated blended families, where there may or may not be legal marriage, you`re also talking about two exes and two potentials for big feelings of envy. And envy can be a very dangerous feeling.

What about that dad`s ex-wife? Where is she in this mess? It`s very confusing. But you should know, Jane, that children in a house with a non- biological parent have a much higher risk of abuse.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need every tip that we can get. We need every lead we can get.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police say they haven`t received a single solid lead in her disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s out there and we`re just waiting around, waiting around to see her again.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We went around the house and we`re screaming for her and (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Search for missing Missouri baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ten-month-old Lisa Irwin.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who vanished from her home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lisa`s father arrived home after being at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there was -- and the front was open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door unlocked, lights on in the home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our number one goal is to find this child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you have any tips at all, no matter how small, make a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It only takes one. It really does.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please! Please! Please! Call the tips hotline!


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, straight out to Bill Grady, reporter, News Radio 980 KMBZ. You have information about the mother of this child, her estranged husband. What do you know?

GRADY: Well, what we know is that she has been with Jeremy Irwin, according to a neighbor, and living in that house for about two years and has been separated from Sean (ph) Bradley for about four years. A reporter colleague of mine went out to the house and said that Mr. Bradley is actually in the service and not in the country.

And I think it`s important to point out that no one has been named as a suspect or even a person of interest in this case. And with regard...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. And you answered a question. You answered the question. He`s out of the country. He can`t be involved.

I want to unleash, as Nancy would say, the lawyers. That`s her phrase, but it applies here because we got two of them, John Burris and Carmen St. George. What do you make of the fact that this is a very small house, John, and presumably, somebody broke in through the window, broke the screen, turned on all the lights, took the child and walked out the front door possibly without waking the mother?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It seems to me very unlikely to occur under that way. It`s hard for me to imagine that someone who`s just walking by goes to the window, not knowing where he is, and takes a baby and makes a bunch of noise going through, given the example of the demonstration, seems like it`s very unlikely it could have been done very quietly.

It`s very surprising to me. If I were the police, I`d have some suspiciousness around the statement given by the mother. That doesn`t mean it didn`t happen, but I think you have to be very concerned about it, given the size of the house and the circumstances under which they claim it occurred.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Carmen St. George, can`t cops have tunnel vision sometimes, however?

CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that all of us, Jane, when we`re thinking about a child as the victim or the person that`s missing, have a focus. And that`s what I would call it. I wouldn`t call it tunnel vision. It`s more that we`re passionate and we`re focused on finding the baby.

I think it`s extremely unusual that this would occur by somebody who`s unrelated to the family or by somebody who`s unknown to the family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are looking, by the way, at exclusive video from ABC from inside baby Lisa`s home. We hope and pray that this child is found alive, and we will stay on this story. Where is baby Lisa?



CARSON KRESSLEY, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" CONTESTANT: Wait, I shouldn`t be helping you, you`re the competition. Get out of here.

A.J. HAMMER, HLN HOST: I`m so proud of you, watching you up there. And I need you to have these from the bottom of my heart.

BRUNO TONIOLI, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" JUDGE: Yes, I just want to see if the good mood continues.

LEN GOODMAN, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" JUDGE: Hold on for one more day.

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: We are practicing really a lot of times eight to nine hours a day.

GOODMAN: Dancing like that you`re going to be here for weeks and weeks, not days and days.


GOODMAN: I thought the actual cha-cha was very, very good.

KRESSLEY: Time to tango, people.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are so excited for our very own Nancy Grace. She can win this thing. We know she can with her fabulous partner, Tristan MacManus. She has aced the cha-cha, she`s aced the quick step, the waltz, and now it`s the Pasa Doble that she has to master. This is not an easy dance.

I want to go doubt out to Helio Castroneves who won season five of "Dancing with the Stars." The Pasa Doble is (speaking in foreign language), as they say in Spanish. Tell us how tough it is and what it involves.

HELIO CASTRONEVES, WINNER, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" SEASON 5, 3-TIME INDY 500 CHAMPION: Well, thanks for having me again on the show. Certainly Pasa Doble for me was very tough because you do have to act a little bit. I mean not only acting in terms of, you know, be angry because the dance is about el matador, you know, killing the bull.

And again, how are you going to do that in a dance? But for me, it was hard to understand. But finally, when they told me you`ve got to act a little bit, but don`t be angry, it`s just like interpret this type of el matador you`ll be fine, and -- again, it`s a hard dance, it`s not easy, I enjoy very much my dance.


CASTRONEVES: Hopefully Nancy is going to enjoy it, too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say this. I`m always on the side of the bull, and I asked Nancy about this, and I said, are you going to act out this whole bull fighting as if the bull dies and she says, no, I`m on the side of the animals, too, so I think they`re going to have an interesting take on the Pasa Doble, maybe take a twist on that classic turn, so that we can -- we can show the world that we are in favor of the bull.

All right. I want to go to Holly Madison. You were a contestant on "Dancing with the Stars" season eight. You`re also the star of "Peepshow," which is a fabulous burlesque at Planet Hollywood and you`ve got own reality show on E, "Holly`s World."

I would like to know exactly how this works. I sit there, I root for Nancy. I`m like, screaming, I`m voting, but I don`t know exactly how the elimination process occurs. You`ve got the judges and then you`ve got the people calling. How do they mesh? How is it decided? Holly?

HOLLY MADISON, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" SEASON 8, STAR OF PEEPSHOW AT PLANET HOLLYWOOD & "HOLLY`S WORLD" ON E!: I`m not exactly sure what the percentages are these days. It may change from season to season but they do it based on a percentage of the votes you get and the judges` scores. So that`s why not always the best dancer makes it to the end. You really have to have the people voting but I think Nancy`s got a lot of support. I know my roommate is obsessed with her. So --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got to ask, Chris Jericho, contestant, "Dancing with the Stars," season 12, about the stress and the pressure. I`ve said it before. When I`m at a party and I`m on the dance floor by myself, I`m self-conscious. Here I am on television but still when I`m on the dance floor, I get very self-conscious, who`s looking at me, am I making a fool of myself, am I -- how I do look?

How is -- what is the pressure like, when that moment happens and it`s like, boom, you`re on stage, you`ve got to dance? What -- give us the -- take us inside the dancers.

CHRIS JERICHO, CONTESTANT, SEASON 12 "DANCING WITH THE STARS," CHAMPION, PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER: The whole secret of the show is you`re dealing with people that have never really danced before. Sure, all of us have been to a bar or a party, have a couple of cocktails and you`re out there you think you look like John Travolta in "Grease" but it`s not that way.

So the very first time for me that I ever danced in my life was in front of 25 million people on "Dancing with the Stars," so it`s terrifying because everybody comes from a different world where you`re famous and successful in a different world, then you come on to this show and we`re all -- it`s like the first day of summer camp, I go, oh, you`re here and you`re here and how are you? And how are you?

And they got the judges, they`re like, Jericho, this is a 300-year-old dance, you must do it the way -- these are rules that have to be applied. And it`s like what is going on here? But then once you get the first dance done and you get into it, then you start to feel it. Then you start to want it, and then you really start applying everything you can into it.

So it really is -- it`s a great way to learn a different art form. You know? And dancing is an art form, just like singing or wrestling or race car driving or burlesque or whatever. So to get a chance to get inside and learn it and for three short months become a dancer for a short period of time, it`s something that I will never forget for the rest of my career.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brittany, Iowa, your question or thought, Brittany? Oh, Brittany, are you dancing? You dancing around that room?

All right. Listen, I`m going to go to Monique Coleman. You were a semifinalist on "Dancing with the Stars" season three, you`re also the host of "Gimme Mo" and co-stars of Disney`s "High School Musical."

Here is what I`d like to know. Because I have done this partner dancing stuff and once you make a mistake, it puts you out of the loop. In other words, you can`t go back into the routine that you had because you`ve thrown yourself off the routine by making a mistake.

How do you deal with that when you`re on "Dancing with the Stars"?

MONIQUE COLEMAN, CONTESTANT, SEASON 3, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": It`s stressful. Believe me. You know every week they would come back and say, we had so many viewers this week, and I`m like, oh my god, that means that many people saw me make a mistake.

But I think what I realized is just that, you know, a lot of the things that happen on the dance floor can really mirror what happens off the dance floor, and as long as you just keep growing and giving it your best, you walk away realizing that you can actually do almost anything.

So I just tried to maintain a positive attitude, always give my best and just realize that I was just really grateful to have so many people supporting me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jake Pavelka, I have to go back to this question, I admire all of you, all of you, for doing this, because it would terrify me beyond comprehension to have to dance in front of the entire world. But what do you do when there`s a mistake? It`s not a science, it`s an art. You`ve got steps.

OK, let`s say your partner or you -- you make a step that you weren`t supposed to or you forgot a step, how do you recoup? How do you get back in it without anybody seeing it?

JAKE PAVELKA, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" SEASON 10, REALITY STAR, ABC`S "THE BACHELOR" & "BACHELOR PARTY": You know, the best way to do that is act like there wasn`t a mistake. Nobody knows your routine. Not even the judges. Except you and your partner and the way you do that is you go in there, when the announcer comes on, it`s like Jake Pavelka and Chelsea Hightower doing whatever dance it`s just Chelsea, me and a dance floor. No one else matters. And so if you make a wrong step, nobody knows. You just keep -- just keep going. Unless you fall.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, this looks like a lot of fun right here, but is it really fun? Are you -- I mean, they look like they -- well, I don`t want to say it, on the dance floor, but that`s what they look like.

Is it as much fun as it looks? Is this like -- this looks like a third date, basically. But is it fun or while you`re doing it, are you just like, I want this to end? I want it to go away? Get me -- get me through it?

PAVELKA: No, actually, the -- you know, it`s like, you know, when you play -- I was playing football as a kid, you know, the practices weren`t all that much fun but you practiced so that you could play well at the game and that`s what it is. Like Nancy was saying, you know, it`s eight to 10 - - eight to 10 hours every single day in the studio working up to that dance that`s live in front of 25, 30 million people every week.

It`s an incredible experience. And I tell you, "Dancing with the Stars" is the type of thing, it`s 10 weeks, the show is going to end either way, and the absolute best way to describe it is a moment in time that goes by so fast, it`s almost like it didn`t even happen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is this you? Is this you with your pants off?


PAVELKA: That`s me. You have to do something to get people`s attention.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look at that.




PAVELKA: I slid on that floor bare-kneed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A beautiful, beautiful dancer. Wow. You guys -- now this is -- I`m sorry, I lost track of what I was going to say just watching this dance. This is extraordinary. Now you say you practiced this for eight hours day? So you really get to know your dance partner very well? I mean, you probably know them better than a spouse at the end of this contest. Look at this.

PAVELKA: You do and it`s a short amount of time. You know, eight to 10 hours seems like it`s a lot but you know you just run this routine 300 times throughout the week and then you go out there and you perform it and you`re actually judged on it. It`s crazy that it comes together the way it does.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I got a hat`s off to you. This is quite the routine. Of all the ones that I`ve seen this one has mesmerized me.

But we`re going to talk a little bit about Nancy and her routines and how she has mastered -- this is a former prosecutor competing with professional dancers and it`s week four of season 13 of "Dancing with the Stars," our very own Nancy Grace, dancing, for an incredible cause, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Tonight, she is doing the Pasa Doble, so be sure to vote. You can vote multiple times for Nancy and her dancing partner, Tristan MacManus. And everybody here at the NANCY GRACE SHOW, we`re rooting for her. We know she can win it and we are right there. So you got to vote, vote, vote, vote for Nancy. We`ll be right back.


HAMMER: How is the relationship you guys have? It all looks great and we`ve been having fun talking. How is it really holding up?


GRACE: You know when you put two people that both have somewhat of a brain together, you have conflicting opinions.


GRACE: You know? In one word I think.




BERGERON: The tough as nails former prosecutor.

GRACE: Nancy Grace, ballroom dancer.

HAMMER: Hold on. Never done this before on HLN before.

GRACE: This is not going to be easy.

BERGERON: This is going to be tough.


KRESSLEY: We`ve been struggling with technique.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Such a tough ride.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But they did it, they gave it 1,000 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean it really comes down to the people at home.


GRACE: One, two, three.

BERGERON: Nancy and Tristan, you`re safe.

HAMMER: This is why A.J. Hammer will never do "Dancing with the Stars."

GRACE: I rest my case.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nancy on "Dancing with the Stars." She can win this thing. We are all rooting for her. I`ve been talking to a slew of contestants who have been through this extraordinary experience.

A very special guest tonight, Joey Fatone, who was a runner up, season four, got to the finals on "Dancing with the Stars." Also, member of `N Sync.

I got to tell you, I am in awe of all of you and of course I secretly fantasize about dancing somewhere, but the fantasy and the reality have got to be two different things. What`s -- how do you go from that, like imagining yourself doing it and then all of a sudden, you actually do it and you see yourself in the mirror and you go oh, my god, I got the a long way to go?


JOEY FATONE, RUNNER-UP, "DANCING WITH THE STARS" SEASON 4, MEMBER OF THE BAND `N SYNC: Yes, I mean, for me, I knew obviously my left from my right from dancing with `N Sync. But doing this, it was like teaching an old dog new tricks because my brain was never taught with technique, with style. You have to hold posture.

And I`ve never been judged like that before and to take that into consideration and really go OK, am I really going to do this? How am I going do this? And I`m like I don`t see myself as a Latin or a ballroom dancer. So when finally the first number we had to do was a cha-cha, it`s like, OK, let`s just go to out there have fun and Kim was such a great teacher and she was just amazing, and made things a lot easier and had fun with it. That was one of our main things, it was always like let`s just have fun. And that was -- that was one of --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: You just did like a flip. You just did like an entire flip in the air. I think you were having a lot of fun.

All right. We`re going to go to the calls, Brittany, Iowa. Your question or thought, Brittany?

BRITTANY, CALLER FROM IOWA: Hi, Jane. My family and I love Nancy.


BRITTANY: So beautiful on "Dancing with the Stars." Our question was, how did she get done with her routines and does she feel, like, comfortable in the uniforms and everything or?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think you make a great point.

Holly Madison, first of all, I understand that you`ve had your breasts insured for $1 million. I find that fascinating.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We want to get to that in a second, but before we get to that, how are these outfits selected? Because obviously, some people feel more comfortable in one outfit rather than another or might be a little shy. Do the contestants get a choice in what they are going to wear?

MADISON: They do have an input, actually. The costume process is really fun and exciting. They have a whole wardrobe department over at the CBS Studios where "Dancing with the Stars" was shot.

I was super excited about the costumes, and when I went into it was a collaboration between the costume department, my partner, Dmitri, who of course was a professional dancer and knows all the styles, knows what`s appropriate, and of course what I wanted to do which, you know, I had all kinds of fun ideas.

But let me tell you, no matter how short the skirt, there are shorts sewn inside of them. Like I was shocked when Nancy had a wardrobe malfunction, because in my season they taped you up, like, five different ways, like they don`t want any accidents.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Lisa, Alabama, your question or thought, Lisa?

LISA, CALLER FROM ALABAMA: Well, Jane, I think you actually would be great on there. I`m waiting for you to be on "Dancing with the Stars." But my question is --



LISA: I heard that they earn -- the contestants earn like $125,000 per show. Is there any truth to that? Do they earn anything?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, Nancy Grace is dancing for a great cause. She is dancing for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, and I think that`s one of the reasons why she is just out there going for it because she knows she`s doing it for kids. So it`s -- for Nancy it is not about making money.

It`s not about ego. I know Nancy. And I know that she is doing all this and risking -- it takes tremendous courage to stand out there and do something that`s not in your comfort zone. She is a former prosecutor and she is dancing her heart out there and she is doing it for the kids.

Chris Jericho, you and I know that.

JERICHO: Yes. And that`s thing. When you have a little bit of a cause behind you, that`s why Nancy is doing so great because there is a lot of pressure there and the thing about the show is you know, you do get paid some cash and the longer you stay on, the more -- the more you make but it`s really not about that, like when you get into it you just really want to be a part of it, and the whole concept of the shock, let`s be honest, it`s kind of cheesy, it`s fun, you can`t take it seriously, but yet, it`s hard not to when you get involved, you know?

And then to see -- like when you used to watch Bruno do his, like, you know, Nancy Grace, the dancing prosecutor, flying across the floor, giving verdicts of love to everyone. Like how -- like what the hell is this guy talking about? You cannot watch him and laugh, but yet you realize that him and Len and Carrie Ann, they really know what they`re talking about and they`re strict.

Like, you have to have -- like, your hand -- your finger has to be down like this like every single -- your eyebrows have to be -- your ear lobes, everything has to be completely in perfect shape or else you don`t make it through. And when you start finding this out, you want to be there. You know, you want to be there. At first, you`re a little bit scared but the longer you go it is really addictive.

Like when I was eliminated in week seven or whatever it was, afterwards, I was kind of like, well, now what I do? Like I got nothing to do. There`s no dancing for 10 hours a day? Like now what?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes, you probably had like post-elimination depression. Maybe there is a --

JERICHO: Yes, withdrawals. I was like --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Partum syndrome that we can`t talk about.

JERICHO: That`s right. Post-dancing depression. Yes. It was terrible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Helio Castroneves -- I want to throw it to Helio.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because you won season five. So you must have a trick or two up your sleeve. There`s got to be some secret formula that you have, something that you bring to the table that gives you the advantage, because, yes, you`re an incredible dancer, but they`re all absolutely astounding. What`s your secret?

CASTRONEVES: I`m just laughing, first of all, from Chris because it`s funny. It is a show. I mean you`ve got to remember, because it is a show and I -- we all goes through ups and down, you know, in situations that you can`t control. You know, it`s not about all the dancing, but you got to also, you know, talk about it and have a little bit of a connection with your partner because believe it or not people from the other side of TV --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What? Do you ever fight -- hold on a second.

Helio, do you ever fight with your partner? In other words --

CASTRONEVES: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know anybody I want to get sweaty with eight hours a day, day after day after day.

CASTRONEVES: Everyone, unfortunately, you know, you spend so much time. Everyone fights with each other. But in the end of the day, it`s good to build up that relationship so that you can go far enough.


KRESSLEY: I think I might have broken either his cheekbone or my cheekbone. You look fantastic in this color. You`re inspiring us. This is a great color for our costumes next week.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we`re going to do all right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. I mean I went out there and gave it my all so.

DAVID ARQUETTE, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": I mean I`ve gotten to dance with Kim, and I`ve gotten a spray tan.

HAMMER: Did you think you wouldn`t make it through tonight?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can`t let the emotions get the best of you. Get out there and feel those feelings.

GRACE: I`m going to show the twins mommy can dance. I glanced over at them afterwards, and they looked so happy.

HAMMER: Back to work tomorrow, right?

GRACE: You`re not kidding. Except I`ve told Tristan we`re going to do a roll reversal.

HAMMER: Interesting.

GRACE: I am tired of the man being in charge on every single dance.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Our own Nancy Grace competing on "Dancing with the Stars." I personally think she has a very good chance of winning this thing if all of us vote for her, so vote for Nancy.

Meantime, Monique Coleman, you were the last contestant on your season, season three, what advice would you give Nancy?

COLEMAN: My goodness. Soak your feet. Soak your feet and have fun. You know I think the thing that`s so great about Nancy is that, you know, we all know her as such a dynamic personality from the show. But seeing her on this really gives us an opportunity to see a totally different side of her. So I just want her to keep being herself and just bringing like who she really is to every single performance. She`s

Because she`s just beautiful. And last week we really saw a very vulnerable side of her, and I think if she continues to do more of that and have a great time, she`s going to really go far.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she is --

COLEMAN: And don`t show any more -- don`t show any more goodie bits.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s very confident. She`s very confident. She -- I mean, do you know how hard this is? Do you have any idea how hard this is? And she`s doing it like it is a walk in the park. Way to go, Nancy. We love you. You`re going to win this thing.

Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Major Ronald Culver Jr., 44 years old from Shreveport, Louisiana, an LSU grad. On a second tour of duty in Iraq. He also served during Desert Storm with 22 years of military service. He was highly decorated, awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, the Combat Action Badge, and the Army Commendation Medal.

A member of the order of Saint George. He loved community service, especially youth organizations. He also loved NASCAR, concerts, camping, and taking tae kwon do with his two children. They went on to earn their black belts in their dad`s memory. He leaves behind his parents Ronnie and Betty. His brother Shane, his widow Tracy, and his wonderful children Michelle and Ronald III.

Ronald Culver Jr., a true American hero.

Thank you to all our guests. And thanks to you at home. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, right here. Until then, have a safe evening, and of course, vote for Nancy.

Nancy, you can win this thing. We know it.