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Nancy Grace
Possible Sightings of Missing 10-Month-Old
Aired October 21, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother, Daddy on the night shift, goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window open, every cell phone gone.
Grainy surveillance video emerges, Mommy shopping with a mystery man hours before baby Lisa vanishes. What does she buy? Baby food and a big box of wine. Mommy admits she was knocked out drunk when the baby goes missing.
Mommy changes the story. Now she says she sees baby Lisa at 6:40 PM, not 10:30, costing cops a full four hours. Cops say Mommy and Daddy avoiding investigators for days, refusing to answer questions. A 17-hour raid goes into the night. FBI and cops X-ray walls, floorboards, pipes in the family home, then comb every inch of the house and yard, seizing bags of evidence, including carpet.
Bombshell tonight. Three separate witnesses claim they see baby Lisa the morning she vanishes. A mystery man spotted with a baby girl resembling Lisa wearing only a diaper, 45 degrees outside, no blanket, no coat. Is this 10-month-old baby Lisa?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eleven-month-old Lisa Irwin.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was to have been taken out of the house at night, this is almost pitch black.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby around 12:30 Tuesday morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was her father who had discovered her missing, came home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The front door was unlocked.
DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: Like they just walked in and just disappeared!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police showed up here two or three cars at a time, barring access from the family into baby Lisa`s home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police looked in a wooded area near the home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is dense woods. It`s hard to even walk through it when it gets into this heavily wooded area. And they`ve been going literally inch by inch down here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom has gotten drunk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If she was so drunk, it is possible that if someone were to break into the house, she wouldn`t have heard it if she was blacked out.
GRACE: How much of that big honkin` box of wine the mom bought was recovered?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re optimistic that she`s still out there and still alive.
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GRACE: And tonight, season 13, "Dancing With the Stars." Emmy TV host, celebrity style (INAUDIBLE) contestant, my friend, Carson Cressley with us, season 13, international movie star, Elisabetta Canalis, 13 pro, Tony (ph), season 8 contestant, reality star Melissa Rycroft (ph), long- time dancing pro Editta (ph), and my partner, Tristan, all taking your calls.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy and Tristan, you`re safe!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hoped that we would still be safe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you know, it just wasn`t -- we didn`t have a great dance and we -- you know, someone had to go home, so it was us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re always scared. You never know who`s going to go home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, we`ve seen...
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve seen, like, some of the best dancers leave the competition. So you -- you just don`t know what`s ever going to happen in this!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never know. He was holding his fingers in a crossed position.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was. I was like this. I was like this over her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re thankful we`re still here. And now it`s Broadway week next week, so it should be interesting.
GRACE: I`ve been teaching Tristan how to dance now for a month.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A 10-month-old baby girl sleeping in a crib just a few feet from her own mother goes missing without a trace. In the last hours, three separate witnesses claim they see baby Lisa wearing nothing but diapers the very morning she vanishes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From sunup to sundown of this intense searching, they`re focused on using X-ray equipment.
BRADLEY: Just drop her off anywhere! We don`t care!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can make it through this public area with this small creek and go all the way up to baby Lisa`s back yard and out again without going near the front of anybody`s house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A dumpster fire near the Irwin home was reported at 2:34 AM Tuesday morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a dumpster on fire at the (INAUDIBLE) townhouses.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 AM, Jeremy Irwin calls 911 to report his 10- month-old baby daughter, Lisa, was missing from her crib.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 4:00 o`clock in the morning, 45 degrees, baby don`t have a blanket, a coat nor nothing, and this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was shocking because I couldn`t imagine anybody outside walking with their baby in the cold like that with no clothes on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was about 5-7, 5-8, 140, 150 pounds, kind of maybe late 30s, early 40s.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And this baby seemed to be about the same age?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked like it to me, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same age, same size.
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GRACE: Everybody, you`re seeing video from ABC`s "Good Morning America" of an eyewitness who claims to have seen baby Lisa the morning she vanishes. We are live in the heartland and taking your calls. Tonight, bombshell developments.
Let`s go straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent joining us there at the family home.
JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we now know what got them that search warrant. On Monday, we saw a much smaller search here at the home of baby Lisa, including with dogs. We weren`t sure exactly what the dogs were doing. We now know from the affidavit that`s been released by the court that those were cadaver dogs, and they got what they call a positive hit for an area near the mother`s bed.
GRACE: Oh!
SPELLMAN: Tuesday they went to court, got a search warrant based on that, and as soon as they got that, police cars showed up here to block the family from entering the house. That was a condition of the search warrant.
Then on Wednesday, they spent all day, 17 hours, intensely searching this, including using X-ray equipment that can be used to look inside walls, through floorboards. And they searched a large area behind the house. Police even asked her why she didn`t -- the mother, Deborah Bradley -- why she didn`t look in the back yard behind the shed. She said she was afraid of what she might find.
We`re going to get a lot more detail from this affidavit, but this is really a huge change in this case, that a cadaver dog got a positive hit near Deborah Bradley`s bed. We don`t know exactly what that means. There could be other reasons for it. But that`s definitely one of the key elements propelling this investigation forward right now.
GRACE: Everybody, we are talking your calls. Take a look at baby Lisa. The investigation now takes a hairpin turn, a 90-degree turn in another direction. A 17-hour raid goes down on the family home into the wee hours, where cops even take X-rays of pipes, floorboards there in the family home. And this as three separate sightings emerge. All three sound incredibly similar.
Back to Jim Spellman, joining us there at the Irwin home. Possible sightings of baby Lisa -- what do you know?
SPELLMAN: That`s right, Nancy. The first one happened less than a block away from the Irwin home here when a couple reported seeing a man about late 30s, early 40s carrying a baby matching baby Lisa`s description, without any warm clothes on, just a diaper.
Then several hours later, three miles away from here, a man coming home from working his own night shift on a motorcycle sees a person of the same description also carrying a baby. He said he would have even offered to give them a ride if he wasn`t on his motorcycle. We know that investigators have interviewed them several times, trying to find leads to see where that will lead. That could be the strongest leads that they seem to have away from the family at this moment, Nancy.
GRACE: Let`s go through the timeline. We`ve got three separate witnesses stating they see baby Lisa around the time she goes missing. What time were the three sightings, Jim?
SPELLMAN: The first sighting is about half past midnight. The second sighting is around 4:00 AM, three miles away from here, Nancy. We know that around 4:00 AM...
GRACE: I`m sorry. I -- hold on, Jim.
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GRACE: I`m sorry, Jim. Jim, I`ve got New York talking in my ear. One is at 12:30 AM. When was the second one?
SPELLMAN: About 4:00 AM.
GRACE: 4:00 AM. OK, hold on right there. Hold on. The 12:30 AM, Jim Spellman, the baby was sighted where?
SPELLMAN: Just about a block away from baby Lisa`s home.
GRACE: OK. OK. The 4:00 AM sighting, where did that witness place the baby?
SPELLMAN: Three miles away from baby Lisa`s home.
GRACE: So in about four hours, they`ve gone three miles away. And what about the third sighting, Jim Spellman?
SPELLMAN: It was only two sightings by three people.
GRACE: I see.
SPELLMAN: The first sighting at around 12:30 was a couple that saw this man together.
GRACE: You know what? That adds a lot of credibility to that sighting, Jim, because you`ve got two independent people seeing the very same thing. Not that the third sighting is less credible. It just bolsters that first sighting at 12:30 AM.
Where was it three miles away? Was it at a mall, a grocery store, a parking lot, the side of the street, a bus stop? Where were they spotted at 4:00 AM?
SPELLMAN: It was near an exit to one of the interstates in the area. There are many that converge right around here. And it was a man coming home, riding his motorcycle from working the night shift. It stuck out to him in this cold weather, which you definitely would notice on a motorcycle, in the 40s, a man carrying a baby without a blanket or a covering.
GRACE: Straight to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter Radaronline.com. What do you make of it, Alexis?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, Nancy, the thing is, while these witnesses are just being found by us now, the police have known about them for -- since the beginning of the investigation. This neighbor couple called them the very next morning. This man reported this a week later.
But just two days ago, the police spent 17-hours in the parents` home. So they know about this, but they`re still really focusing on evidence that they can find in the parents` home.
GRACE: Good point, Alexis. And to Michelle Golland,, psychologist, expert on Momlogic.com. Still, the cops have to continue focusing on what they know about what happened in the home itself, specifically Mommy. You can`t lose sight of that avenue of investigation, either, Michelle.
MICHELLE GOLLAND, PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. And I think there is a huge concern, the fact of her drinking, Nancy, the fact that she did not disclose that right away, and the fact that she`s keeping the other older children at this point away from the police. We know that if they heard things -- they are 8 and 6, I believe -- they are big enough to have memories of that and give information. And it`s very suspicious.
GRACE: Matt Zarrell, other than his height, what do we know? Is he white? Is he Hispanic? Is he Asian? Is he African-American? What was he wearing? Which way was he going? How was he holding the baby? Was he holding the baby normally like a father or a relative would, or was he holding the baby out like that, like he didn`t know what he was doing? What do we know? What can you tell me about this guy, Matt Zarrell?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK, what we know is, is that we do not know his race. We do know he was wearing a T-shirt that exposed his arms. He was holding the baby with both arms. You could see that the baby`s body parts were exposed to the elements. And that`s one thing that caused him to be alarmed. He then called cops. He didn`t call cops until a week later, took him a week before he put two and two together. So we wonder what was missed in that week?
GRACE: Everyone, three sightings emerge on baby Lisa the night she disappears -- not one, two, but three sightings. The investigation into the search (SIC) of 10-month-old baby girl takes a hairpin turn. We are taking your calls live there in Kansas City.
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GRACE: Cops have swooped back down on the family home, the so-called crime scene, pursuant to a search warrant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What she said is basically that the police were trying to trick her into admitting that she had done something her to her daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people who are going to find your child is law enforcement. That`s your best bet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that`s when she got so angry, she decided that she didn`t want to continue the line of conversation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re not talking to them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What continually bothers us is the monotone voice, which is his baseline.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s when we realized she was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that is his normal, but it feels to us that it has such a lack of emotion in it. That makes us feel uncomfortable.
GRACE: You see the neighborhood, a quiet family residential area. Nothing like this has ever happened there before.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you pretty convinced that it was the person, the baby?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I am. 4:00 o`clock in the morning, 45 degrees, the baby don`t have a blanket, a coat or nothing. And this guy`s walking down the street. I thought it was kind of weird.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did he look like, if you were to try and give a description?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About 5-7, 5-8, 140, 150 pounds, kind of maybe late 30s, early 40s.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this baby seemed to be about the same age?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked like it to me, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, same age, same size.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Let`s go out to Marcia out in Alabama. Hi, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nancy, thanks for dancing for the children first, and thanks for taking my call.
GRACE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, my question is...
GRACE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... is it possible that baby Lisa was given some of that wine to sedate her? How much wine would it take to be lethal for a 10-month-old baby?
GRACE: Good question, Marcia in Alabama. You`ve covered -- you`ve taken one of my questions one step further. I`ve been trying to find out from the get-go exactly how much of that big box of wine was left. A lot of my questions were answered when the mom says she was knocked out cold drunk. But good question.
Let`s go to Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining us from Mount Holly. Dr. Manion, thank you for being with us. If you got a 10-month-old baby girl -- I`m estimating her weight to be not really more than 11 or 12 pounds max -- what about wine?
DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER, NJ (via telephone): Her weight may have been -- I think in one article, they said her weight was 20 pounds...
GRACE: Yes, you know what? It`s 26.
MANION: ... or 26 pounds.
GRACE: You`re right.
MANION: OK. A 160-pound person, if they drink, I would say, four glasses of wine in one hour, they might reach an intoxication level of .1. Now, if a child is only one eighth of that, you could reach an intoxication level of, you know, very -- a weight of only one eighth of that, you could reach a .8, so I would probably off the top of my head -- probably three or four glasses of wine would be -- you know, would be enough depress -- to get to .3 or .35, and that would depress respiration and could essentially kill an infant. So it`s possible.
GRACE: And Dr. Manion, how common is it that people use wine or alcohol to get children to go to sleep?
MANION: Not very common. Not in my experience. I haven`t personally had any cases, have not heard of any cases. They may use, you know, medications, a sleeping pill or something, but not wine, not wine or alcohol. The children may not like to drink the wine. It may be offensive to them. The taste may be sour, and they may not like to drink it.
GRACE: This little girl missing from her own crib, tip line 816-474- 8477. There`s over a $100,000 reward. We are live on the scene and taking your calls.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deborah Bradley, who admits she was drinking the night Lisa vanished and possibly even blacked out.
GRACE: The family has been booted. They cannot come back into the home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The community coming together.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re just hoping for a tip that somebody somewhere finds her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is the baby?
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BRADLEY: Please! Bring her home!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A neighbor told Fox 4 news off camera she saw a man walking in the neighborhood with a baby around 12:30 Tuesday morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A day of intense searching here at baby Lisa`s house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search at baby Lisa`s home went to the back yard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m actually standing up on a hillside overlooking the back yard right now.
BRADLEY: Our two other boys are waiting for her! Please! Just drop her off anywhere!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was shocking because I couldn`t imagine anybody outside walking with their baby in the cold like that with no clothes on. We seen her -- the little arm, and then the leg was right here. So the parts of the body we seen, it didn`t look like the baby had on any clothes at all, just a diaper.
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GRACE: That is video from ABC`s "Good Morning America." It`s an eyewitness who claims to have seen baby Lisa the morning she disappears from her crib.
We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Joining us today, San Francisco, famed defense attorney Daniel Horowitz, Randy Kessler, defense attorney, Atlanta.
What do you make of these sightings, Daniel?
DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I hope you give me an eight for this answer. I think that it`s peculiar that a baby has only a diaper. Normally, unless the mother`s drunk, even in the crib, the baby will have clothing on. So why is this man walking with a baby just in a diaper?
It makes me wonder if the report is entirely accurate. But we sure hope it is because as Marc Klaas will tell us, a baby would normally will be killed, if she`s going to be killed, very quickly after being kidnapped. If she`s alive hours later, we have a chance to get her back safely.
GRACE: What about it, counselor?
RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think, you know, for all the cases you`ve covered, this is manna from heaven. You have not just one witness but two witnesses, the cops have to be all over this. I mean, this is great stuff. It`s a start.
GRACE: You know, it is a start, but it`s like a needle in a haystack.
To Detective Lieutenant Steve Rogers from Nutley Police Department, former member, FBI. Steve, number one, the statistical likelihood that this baby is connected, in my mind, is very high if the sightings are as the people think they are because you`ve got -- I don`t know how they would know it was a baby girl, but you`ve got a man with a baby very close to baby Lisa`s home from neighbors in the neighborhood. Obviously, they didn`t know baby Lisa. But statistically, who else could it be? Then a similar sighting four miles away.
Weigh in, Detective.
DET. LT. STEVEN ROGERS, NUTLEY, NJ, POLICE DEPARTMENT: Yes, yes, you`re right, Nancy. This is certainly something that the police are going to have to work on. But they`re going to have to build a timeline now between the first sighting at 12:30 and the second sighting at 4:00 o`clock. What happened, and where were they in that three-and-a-half-hour period?
GRACE: But Detective, also, how can we ignore all the evidence regarding the mom?
ROGERS: Well, that`s true, too. The police will always zero in on what we call ground zero, the center of gravity, the family. They won`t give up on that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Carson and Anna.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to miss a lot of things with "Dancing with the Stars".
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The press line was one of his most favorite things to do, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have to the dance or just do the press.
TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY GRACE`S PARTNER, DANCING WITH THE STARS: Because I didn`t know what was going on. I was hoping Cass and when I turned around I heard the words you`re safe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carson was the fun and joy of this show. And think that will be loss now. So, it`s sad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Literally, he can light up a room like that. He`s the funniest guy I`ve met in a long time and he`s definitely going to be missed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You haven`t seen the last of me.
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Just want to say that I`m going to try my best to teach Tristan how to do the FOX trot.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel when you`re up there and they are saying whether or not you`re safe is it a panic, from watching at home I feel nauseous when it happens.
GRACE: Not the last time I was held in jeopardy but the time before that, they love holding us in jeopardy.
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GRACE: Big thank you to Rosie O`Donnell for having Tristan and I on her show last night and all for dancing advise especially for this upcoming week, Monday`s theme is Broadway. Thank you, Rosie.
Everybody, we`re taking your calls but before -- he`s already started talking. In my ear, too much of a good thing. But first we`re going to go to Carson Kressley. Carson Kressley competed this year. Emmy winning TV star, celebrity stylist, author, and felony robber who robbed me blind on celebrity jeopardy. There were plenty of witnesses. Nobody helped me. It was awful.
OK, Carson we miss you horribly. Gone straight down the crapper without you, Carson.
CARSON KRESSLEY, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 13: Well I don`t know -- probably did get a little straighter now that I`m gone, but I miss you guys.
GRACE: Yes, I really don`t know about that. I don`t know about that, Carson. Hey, Hey, Dana, are you crazy? Put Carson in full. America needs to see him in all of his splendor and glory. They`ve seen enough of us. OK, There you go.
KRESSLEY: You know, you may not be able to see all the good stuffs.
GRACE: OK, Carson, do you miss us?
KRESSLEY: I do. I do. I think, you know, when I -- when it was time to go to New York and do the view and all those shows and it was really seems like it was over, over and then it all like kicked in. and I was like, wait a minute I loved doing the show and I loved working with obviously Anna who is so amazing and all of the celebs were so great. So yes, it`s like you know like getting sent home from summer camp early.
GRACE: You know what? When the horrible day comes, if it ever does come Tristan and I are planning to dance together for many years to come. They will extend season 13 for us. I don`t know we`ll be as gracious as you were Carson. I mean we might have a big old hair fright right there underneath the mirror ball trophy. How did you keep your composure Carson instead of lashing out like you wanted to.
KRESSLEY: No. You know what, I thought about you know I kind of felt like baby it was going to be our week because we didn`t have a great dance again and the judges were kind a little down on us. So, I was kind a preparing and I thought about it a lot. And I thought you know I never felt defeated. I felt disappointed, obviously but I never felt defeated because I came and did what I wanted to do of come, be myself, have a lot of fun, meet great people, get a free spray tan. So, it all worked out perfect.
GRACE: You know actually Carson, you backed up the line at the spray tan booth. Carson was in there more than anybody.
Straight out to Tony Dovoloni, professional dancer seasons two through 13. Tony, are with us all the way I think -- where you from?
TONY DOVOLONI, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 2- 13: Kosovo. That`s right from Kosovo.
GRACE: That`s what I thought before I blurted it out I wanted to make sure. You began dancing at age three.
DOVOLONI: Yes. And it took a lot I mean pretty much it took my dad about seconds to decide that I was a dancer. Since every time the music on, I was the first one on the dance floor to have fun.
GRACE: Now here`s a thing about Tony that at that lot may not know. He and his wife are parents to twins, but when you`re dancing you don`t get to be with them, right, they are on the other side of the country?
DOVOLONI: That`s true, actually I live in Connecticut so my wife takes care of the home front which they say behind every somewhat decent man there`s a greater wife I guess.
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DOVOLONI: But the point is the way I look at it is he had takes care of the home front, she takes care of our twin and 6-year-old daughter also. I have a boy and a girl so Nancy and I have a lot to talk about when it came to twins.
GRACE: Man, we really did. I really, really miss you.
Everybody also joining us from Pensacola, Melissa Rycroft, she placed third, season eight, reality TV star. Melissa thanks for being with us. Tristan and I -- well actually I want advice number one on the FOX trot and number two, when you`re held in jeopardy, how do you not vomit?
MELISSA RYCROFT, THIRD, DANCING ON THE STARS SEASON 8: Oh, I vomited several times. I think Tony had to kind of pick it up off the floor. We were, I think we were in jeopardy several times my season and it`s not a fun place to be. And, you know, Nancy, I wish I could remember our FOX trot and if Tony were with me right now he probably would kick me. I know the colors that we wore but other than that I don`t remember a thing about it.
GRACE: Well, you know I`ve been trying to teach Tristan how to dance now since August. Do you have any advice for him?
RYCROFT: You know, what I learned you got to keep him on your toes and then I had to learn just to shut my mouth. I succumbed to the inevitable. Tony knew what he was doing. He was the professional. I didn`t know how to drive better than he did. And you know, once I learned that lesson we made it all the way to third place so it worked.
MACMANUS: There`s the incentive there. Thanks very much for that, Melissa.
GRACE: I asked advice for Tristan, Melissa. I`ll have to work with you as a witness. I`m not putting you on the stand just yet. We haven`t rehearsed your testimony enough.
RYCROFT: I was never a professional. Would you like me to tell Tristan to listen to you and that sometimes the amateur does know best? Is that the advise you were looking for?
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GRACE: Yes. Actually that was the advice I was looking for. Thank you. You finally got the answer right. Good job. Whoa!
Joining me right now, a special guest, I don`t want to mess this up but I think it`s Edyta Sliwinska, professional dancer, seasons one through ten. She`s absolutely gorgeous and one of the best dancers you ever have to see. Thank you for being with us. We needed - well, I need advice since Tristan knows everything. I need advice on the FOX trot. Help me out.
EDYTA SLIWINSKA, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 1- 10: Advice on the FOX trot. Well, you did already the waltz and the rumba from what I remember. And basically the FOX trot is somewhere in between. So it has to be just as graceful and smooth as the waltz but it has to have, you know, a little bit fang, a little bit of I`ll say sensuality and actually a little bit of flirting in it like rumba. So I think, you know, I think it`s not going to be too difficult. You already are an experienced dancer after those couple of weeks you`ve done on the show.
GRACE: You know, you`re going to have to work on that flirting part. Yes, yes. I`m really good at the whole flirting thing. With me right now, Elizabetta Canalis, competed in season 13.
Hi, Elizabetta. We miss you.
ELIZABETTA CANALIS, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 13: Hi Nancy. Hi Tristan. I miss everybody. I`m missing the show. I`m missing you guys.
GRACE: Hey Elizabetta, are you still dancing?
CANALIS: Next question.
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GRACE: I guess that`s a no. OK. Tristan, give me your plan for the FOX trot.
MACMANUS: High, high scores, big smiles, and flirt.
GRACE: And no shirt. A special FOX trot, shirtless FOX trot for Tristan Monday night.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. The next couple safe is Nancy and Tristan.
GRACE: We are practicing really a lot of times eight to nine hours a day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy and Tristan. You`re safe.
KRESSLEY: This week we have to really focus on rehearsals and make them longer and just really nailed it down because I do not want to go home.
KRESSLEY: Yes, it`s sad because you work really hard and think nobody will ever go home. That`s right there`s competition, there`s only one mirror ball.
GRACE: Can just listen to Tristan and get this rumba down, hopefully Lynn will find it exciting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was simple but very effective. And an elegance about it which I enjoyed very much. There was a few little --
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GRACE: We`re live and taking your calls. We have an all-star lineup of dancing pros and the stars that danced with them.
Straight to the lines. Becky in North Carolina. Hey, Becky what`s your question?
BECKY, CALLER, NORTH CAROLINA: Hi Miss Nancy, my question is this. How do you balance dancing and your children and the TV show, and also another question, if I could. Which celebrities were you more surprised that you got along with and worried about not getting along with?
GRACE: You know, that`s a good question. The first one, Becky, about balancing, you could ask any mom, working mother in America that has to balance work with her family. My husband travels a lot. So, you know, I`m typically the sole caregiver for the children and it`s very, very hard to balance all that.
But my grandmother did it. She worked in a factory and raised two children and helped run a farm. My mother did it. And if they can do it, I can do it. And so can you.
As to the celebrities, the truth is all the celebrities really get along very, very well together. Now, I tell you, some of the pros are a little, let me say, pre-Madonna. I can only refer to one. And I have to remind him that he is the dancer and I am the star and if anybody is going to stomp out of practice it should at least be me. I never once stopped out of practice.
MACMANUS: I`ve never given you a reason to.
GRACE: OK. Point well taken. Out to Barbara in North Carolina. Hi, Barbara, what`s your question? I think I`ve got Barbara. Barbara, are you there, dear?
BARBARA, CALLER, NORTH CAROLINA: Yes, I am.
GRACE: Hi, what`s your question?
BARBARA: I want to tell you that I love all the things that you`re doing with your hair. And you look so beautiful. I think you should change your hair style sometimes.
GRACE: You know what? I`ve had a lot of people tell me that. You know what, I think that`s a really good idea. Especially hey if you could go back to the rumba with that big `80s weave I`ve got. You know they told me, Carson Kressley, I`m going to go to you since this is a style question. When I said is this going to fall off. They said your head will fall off and roll across the floor before this we`ve does. Explain how it works Carson because in `80s week I recall you had a few extensions.
KRESSLEY: I had a weave as well so I know it sounds unbelievable but that was not all my hair. And I think the really cool thing is that, one of the great things about the show is we have this amazing hair --
GRACE: There`s a weave on your chin. There you are with -
KRESSLEY: I had a chin we`ve, yes. So, you know, they are so great what they do and they can transform you into your character for that week. So I had a dream come true. I actually had facial hair for a week. So, it was amazing.
GRACE: You know, back to Elizabetta. Elizabetta, was the competition for grueling for you physically, or emotionally?
CANALIS: Oh, my God. Both of them. Because I was -- I got very emotional and I was working -- I mean I was -- I lost a lot of weight and always very nervous, really. And I watched your rumba and I`m thinking I`m not on the show because it`s so hard. I`m joking.
GRACE: You know what Elizabetta? You`re right. You`re right Elizabetta. It`s extremely hard. I remember on break -- I`ll go out to Melissa Rycroft on this. We would go out, we go outside and whenever there`s a break and all of the celebrities are just laid up against the wall, lying on bench, they are all smoking. Just trying to get through the next 20 minutes of dance practice. Would you say this is more grueling physically or emotionally, Melissa?
RYCROFT: Definitely emotionally. At least in my case, my body never gave up on me. But my mind did. You know there were times I was standing in practice going I do not have the mental capacity right now to learn another dance. And especially when you get to the weeks when you`re doing two dances and you have four days to learn two routines, that`s where the emotional stress --
GRACE: What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Two dances a week? OK. I`m going to go to Edyta. What`s this business about two dances a week?
SLIWINSKA: It`s quite difficult because this is the first time you have two dances. One of them is a group dance. So, that`s the good news. You can kind of tried to hide among other couples.
GRACE: It`s good news unless you`re doing a hand stand which I`m doing this week.
SLIWINSKA: I can`t wait to see it. I think it`s going to be spectacular.
MACMANUS: I can`t wait to see it.
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GRACE: Hey, Tony, we`re doing stunts for our group dance. And I am doing a head stand on to Tristan. What do you think about that, Tony? What are my chances?
DOVOLONI: I honestly think that`s awesome. I think that`s awesome.
GRACE: Wait until you see it.
DOVOLONI: The thing is you are going to throw yourself full and that`s the best way to approach this because think about the elimination. You always get really happy when you get saved. Then you got to be just as committed throughout the rest of it.
GRACE: Hey Tony I ran into your partner China at Rosy. Believe it or now, I was going to shoot Rosy and she was just leaving. I saw her and her husband. It was such a surprise and a blessing.
So, Tristan let`s talk about this stunt we`re doing, this stunt for the group dance. I think maybe you should do the head stand and I should catch you. Thoughts?
MACMANUS: If that`s what you want to do, yes.
GRACE: That`s not true. He never said that a day in his life. He`s only saying that for the camera if that`s what I want to do. OK, yes. Thanks Tristan.
OK, everybody. Right now CNN heroes.
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GARY SINISE, ACTOR: I am Gary. As a founder of the Gary foundation we serve and honor the men and women who defend our country. I see just how much the world needs heroes. Now I`m delighted to help introduce one of this year`s top ten CNN heroes.
AMY STOKES, CNN HEROES: In 2003 my husband and I went to Johannesburg and adopted our son.
Here you go.
HIV aids has really decimated some of these communities. Seeing all of the children and so few adults to help them grow up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can see you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tell me something new that happened in school this week.
STOKES: I had to find a way to bring the caring, nurturing effect of other adults for that child to invest in themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is this?
STOKES: I am Amy Stokes.
I use the internet to create a global village where they can interact face to face on a regular basis.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, how are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How was your day at school. Did you work in the garden?
STOKES: That mentor shows up every week. A relationship starts between one person here and one person there, and then that relationship expands. My mentor is so good. I like him very much.
Because they want to connect with that special someone, they`re going to learn keyboard skills. The skills that they will need to have jobs and to be able to do whatever they need in the future. It is a bite sized opportunity to change a world. And there`s no commute!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you think you weren`t going to make it through tonight?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let the emotions get the best of you. Get out there, feel those feelings.
GRACE: I showed the twins` mommy I can dance.
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GRACE: Hi, everybody. We are live and taking your call, season 13, "Dancing with the Stars." do you have a question?
MACMANUS: I actually do. I have a question for Melissa, if she`s still there.
RYCROFT: Yes.
MACMANUS: Melissa, you were part of season eight. So, you were obviously, you were involved in that one when you had two dances a week.
RYCROFT: Yes.
MACMANUS: Already that fear now of not having enough time for one dance. What would you say -- how did you change your mind to kind of accept that you are going to have to learn two dances as opposed to one. Anything in particular or was that your fear, the choreography, or the time?
RYCROFT: Yes, no, I panicked. I had to work through the panic, you know. After the first day, Tony kind of had to slap some sense into me and go you`re either going to go out there and nail two performances or you`re going to go out and bomb. I went great. That`s the confidence I needed.
But you know, it`s really not as bad as it sounds. You start, your body now is already so used to practicing at the pace of learning a dance every four days, and it is funny, your body is going to take over and sure enough, you`re going to learn two in four days and you`ll look back on go I don`t know how I did it. But we did it.
MACMANUS: Your body and your mind gets used to, I guess you get more confident as the weeks go on because you accept I have been learning to dance and you almost train your mind to go to kind and go where I can take in this new information. So, I think that`s what we need to feel confident about.
GRACE: We need to feel confident about. Everybody, "Dancing with the Stars," Monday night. I hope you can join us. My partner Tristan and I will be dancing to a Broadway tune, and hopefully we will bring you the perfect FOX trot.
Everyone, let`s stop and remember Marine Corporal Nicholas Kirven, 21, Virginia, killed in Afghanistan. Awarded bronze star, purple heart, collected baseball cards, coins, stamps. Family breakfast after church. Remembered for a heart of gold. Leaves behind parents Elizabeth and Michael, sister Mary, brother Jason. Nicholas Kirven, American hero.
Thank you to all our guests. Our biggest thank you to you for being with us. Everyone, see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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