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Nancy Grace
Missing 10-Month-Old`s Parents Cancel Police Interview With Sons
Aired October 28, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, the heartland. A 10- month-old baby sleeping in a crib just feet away from her own mother goes missing without a trace, front door unlocked, front window opened, every cell phone gone. Grainy surveillance video emerges Mommy shopping just before the baby vanishes. What does she buy? Baby food and a big, honkin` box of wine! Mommy knocked out drunk when baby goes missing, changing her story as to the last time she even sees her own baby.
Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, at the 11th hour, Mommy and Daddy put the skids on their boys, ages 5 and 8, revealing what they know, both boys in the home when the 10-month-old vanishes. And at this hour, has there been a blow-up inside the defense? Reports the imported New York defense lawyer boots local counsel off the case.
And have Mommy and Daddy been caught yet in another story change? After telling cops they did not pay a cell phone bill and couldn`t dial out, we confirm a 50-second call was made from the so-called stolen phone within hours after baby Lisa goes missing. And did Mommy tell cops she refused to look at her own back yard for baby Lisa because, quote, she was "afraid" of what she would find? Tonight, where is 10-month-old baby Lisa?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. An interview scheduled to take place today with baby Lisa`s brothers has been canceled. Police say the New York attorney representing baby Lisa`s parents called them to delay the interview.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) for any sign of baby Lisa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They can even smell this if the body was inside the lake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing but pictures right now of a happy, well- fed, clean-dressed baby with toys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police have not confirmed with us who outside of the family saw this child last.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You talk to the mom and you see whether or not she has basic empathy for the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This as reports swirl the local attorney for baby Lisa`s family is off the case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, this woman was sitting there passed out drunk!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dogs did not get a sample scent of baby Lisa. They are trained to pick up a generic scent of any human remains in the area.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What I see more than grieving is that there is a massive resistance to telling an accurate narrative about what happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope the baby is safe somewhere.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m really praying that she`s not in there.
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GRACE: And tonight, season 13 "Dancing With the Stars." With us, Jerry Springer, Indy 500 champ Helio Castroneves (ph), season 13 pros Mark Balas (ph), Tasha Farber, Val, season 2 winner and music superstar Drew Lachey, dancing pro Chelsea Hightower (ph) and my partner, Tristan MacManus, all taking your calls.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judges have their scores. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Len Goodman (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seven.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bruno (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A nine. A nine.
TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY`S PARTNER: She wants to do something that`s more difficult, but we don`t have that time to spend six or seven hours on one step.
GRACE: And I`ve just practiced harder and harder.
I have been in the rehearsal hall since, believe it or not, 7:20 AM this morning!
MACMANUS: I`ll send her off to work on next week.
GRACE: Hey, I like this! He`s a very good teacher!
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GRACE: Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, at the 11th hour, Mommy and Daddy put the skids on their boys, ages 5 and 8, revealing what they know, both of those boys in the home when the 10-month-old baby sister vanishes.
And at this hour, a blow-up within the defense. Reports the imported New York defense lawyer boots local counsel off the case.
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GRACE: Mommy announces that she is exhausted and grieving.
DEBORAH BRADLEY, MOTHER: He said, She`s not in her crib.
GRACE: That sounds like she believes the baby is dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police in boats are scouring this lake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were out there with cadaver dogs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parents haven`t spoken with police in a couple of weeks.
BRADLEY: Fresh clothes on her, get her ready for bed and...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Media was supposed to get inside the home.
GRACE: This far into it, I still don`t know the last person that saw the baby alive, other than the mother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That didn`t happen.
BRADLEY: Give her her bottle, made sure her binky was in her crib in case she needed it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s something really odd about this! She was so drunk!
BRADLEY: She sleeps with her Barney and she sleeps with her Glow Worm (ph) and her blanket. And I said, Call 911! Call 911! And we`re running around the house and we`re screaming for her! And she was nowhere!
GRACE: Mommy`s behavior...
BRADLEY: It`s like they just walked in and just disappeared!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are scared like scared rabbits in a cage.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And why won`t you talk to us?
BRADLEY: Because we`re grieving.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Didn`t sound right she used the word "grieve."
GRACE: Very, very unusual.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. In the last hours, the parents put the skids on their two boys, ages 5 and 8, from revealing what they know, both of the boys in the home at the time that baby Lisa goes missing, their 10-month-old baby sister. Both of them have stated, apparently, that they heard noises during the night.
This as we confirm that cell phone that the parents say was stolen, they said could not dial out because they forgot to pay the bill that month -- well, a phone call was made out from that cell phone in the early morning hours after baby Lisa disappears. A 50-second, nearly a minute phone call goes out.
Straight out to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, joining us there in Kansas City. Jim, why did the parents at the 11th hour stop the interview with their two little boys?
JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We don`t know, Nancy. It`s been such a confusing week, the information we`re getting from the family`s team. First they canceled the media tour here yesterday. Then they canceled the press conference. Then they canceled today`s interview with the boys. Investigators were really hoping this was going to give them some new information to try to get a foothold on finding baby Lisa. Now it`s canceled, or rather, we should say postponed until next week. But every day, we get a different story, so we`ll have to wait and see what happens.
GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest, Erin Miller Weiss, a child forensic interviewer. All along, the parents have said it would be too traumatic for the boys speak to the cops. So cops import a special forensic counselor trained to speak to children.
Erin, thank you for being with us. Erin, after many years of prosecuting cases where children were victims, you really -- to get all the facts, you really have to speak to the child in child language, isn`t that right?
ERIN MILLER WEISS, CHILD FORENSIC INTERVIEWER (via telephone): That`s exactly right, Nancy. And I just wanted to point out, you mentioned that sometimes, there are concerns that this process is going to be traumatic for children. And I can tell you that there are children`s advocacy centers and forensic interviewers across the country who are committed to making sure that this process is as child-sensitive as possible.
We want to gather as many facts and information from children in child terms, and we don`t want them to lead them to any particular statement.
GRACE: Well, you know...
WEISS: And so we take great care...
GRACE: ... Erin -- Erin...
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MILLER: ... very deliberate in that.
GRACE: For instance, when I would be dealing with a child witness, for instance in a child molestation case -- I`m thinking of one specifically -- you know in an indictment, it helps you if you have a date of the offense. Although you can put a range -- between April and June, this incident happened.
But for instance, a child might go, Well, I don`t know what day it happened. You can ask, Well, was the Christmas tree up? Was the Easter bunny coming? Did you have your Halloween costume already? There are a lot of ways to unlock a child`s mind and get the story out of them without traumatizing. Would you agree, Erin?
WEISS: Yes, there are many questions that we can ask to narrow down timeframes. We might ask about weather. What was the weather like? Or how old were you? Who was your teacher at the time? Was it just before or after a particular holiday, before or after your last birthday? So there are many questions that we would ask to, again, narrow down the timeframe. And it`s not unusual for a child to not remember specific dates that...
GRACE: You`re right, Erin. Erin Miller Weiss, joining us out of Kansas City.
Unleash the lawyers. We are all taking your calls. Jim Spellman there outside of the Irwin home. Where is 10-month-old baby Lisa? There is a very strong possibility this child is still alive.
Joining me out of New York, Joe Lawless, defense attorney, author of "Prosecutorial Misconduct," Penny Douglas Furr, defense attorney out of Atlanta, both not just pretty faces, both have tried a lot of cases, know their way around the courtroom.
You know, Joe Lawless, at a certain point, when parents continue to block police investigation, there is a way around this, if they will not let the children talk to forensic investigator, and that is an investigative grand jury. Grand juries are called for two reasons. One, as a charging tool to get an indictment, and number two, as an investigative body. And they can issue a subpoena to these children if the parents continue to put up roadblocks.
JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, there`s no evidence that the parents put up roadblocks. What happened is you have Joe Tacopina coming in, who just got involved. He didn`t cancel the interview, he postponed it. I expect it`s simply because Tacopina wants to get a handle on all the facts before he agrees to it. He`s a very experienced lawyer, and I`m sure he knows about investigative grand juries.
GRACE: Well, hold on. Let`s just check those facts out for a moment. Ellie Jostad, how long has the New York lawyer been on the case?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Oh, I couldn`t give you the exact date he joined it, but he`s been on it, I would say, at least a week, Nancy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nine-year-old Robby Wood (ph) -- Robby has a sever case of autism and was last seen with his father and other family members before running off.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A grueling search effort made even more challenging by the rugged geography.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Robert Wood, Jr., has been found and reunited with his family. He was found at approximately 2:00 PM on a Martin Marietta quarry property. It was approximately three quarters to a mile from where he was last seen. The search is over. The investigation continues. And there are a lot of people to thank.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here at VCU (ph) Medical Center. He`s in the emergency room. He`s being evaluated at this time. And they could not tell us how long he`s been here or what he`s being treated for.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one on the team ever gave up. And I have to say that there was some times that you just had to reach down and find that faith that you were going to find him. And whether it`s appropriate or not, there is a God. He listens to prayer. And prayers were answered.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say they`re frustrated but they won`t stop looking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cadaver dogs had their nose to the ground on the shore line, sniffing for any sign of baby Lisa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Parks, abandoned homes along this route to the Festival Food site.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s near this lake? I`ll tell you what`s there. Festival food market!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The night that she went missing buying that box of wine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deborah Bradley was sitting right here on this stoop with a neighbor, and they were drinking.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they heard anything, they both are pretty heavy sleepers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman was sitting there passed out drunk when she has three children to take care of!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators are looking everywhere and following...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mommy -- who besides the mother was the last person see baby Lisa?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Lisa.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Beautiful little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody out there looking for that baby.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Straight out to Beth in Canada. Hi, Beth. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for everything you do. I have a question regarding the store, OK? She is looking happy throughout. The brother of her is looking distraught (ph) (INAUDIBLE) He`s got long or medium-long hair. Then he dropped her off. (INAUDIBLE) his vehicle? He could have shaved his head. He could have changed his shirt, you know, that type of thing. And why are the children still with the mother, the other two children, because aren`t they at risk (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: You know what? That`s a great question, Beth in Canada. Out to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst, director of Cold Case Investigative Research Institute. Sheryl, right now, some people would consider this case as going cold. I don`t think that yet. I think it`s still close enough to the time of the incident and some things are developing. They`ve gotten a thousand leads in. The reward is up to $100,000. To me, this case is still very, very hot.
SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: It`s red hot.
GRACE: However, you know, Sheryl, when one child gets stolen, kidnapped out of the home while Mommy is passed out drunk, very often, you see the children taken from the family. What do you make of this?
MCCOLLUM: Well, family services certainly needs to open an investigation just based on what she has already admitted to. However, they`re working right now that this is a stranger abduction.
Here`s the biggest problem with this whole thing from what Mama has said from the beginning. There is no case more urgent and time-sensitive than a child abduction. Why in the world would she stall any investigation by not submitting to another interview, by not letting her husband take a lie detector, by not letting her kids give DNA?
She is stalling the "rule in and rule out" process. Why would she do that...
GRACE: Hey, you know what, Sheryl?
MCCOLLUM: ... if she weren`t guilty?
GRACE: You just brought up -- you just brought a really good point. Back to Jim Spellman, CNN correspondent, outside the home. By refusing to let the boys talk to the special counselor about the night baby Lisa goes missing, they also are not giving their buccal swab. All that is, is you take -- it`s like a Q-tip, and you swab the inside of the mouth. That`s it. So there`s mystery DNA in the home. The cops want the boy`s buccal or buccal swab. The parents have put the skids on it. Where were the boys at the time baby Lisa goes missing, Jim?
SPELLMAN: The boys were there in the house with a child of a neighbor, watching movies earlier in the evening. We know that at least one of them was in bed with Deborah Bradley when her husband came home, according to what they told police in the police report.
And investigators tell us every day it`s essential to their investigation to be able to interview the parents, get the DNA from the boys, and have these specially trained social workers interview the boys.
GRACE: Penny Douglas Furr, how long until they convene an investigative grand jury and subpoena the two boys?
PENNY DOUGLAS FURR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s totally up to the police and the direction in which they want to go. They can start one any time they want to. But if I was a mother, I would get a psychologist for my children and then let their psychologist be present at the interview.
GRACE: Penny, that`s a great idea. Hey, Mommy and Daddy, are you listening?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Daughter Lisa was taken from our home.
BRADLEY: We have to be strong for her!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hair samples, mouth swabs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hours of interviews.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Using X-ray equipment that can be used to look inside walls, through floorboards.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A garden area where dirt appeared to be recently disturbed or overturned.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The search for Lisa, a beautiful little girl.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby Lisa Irwin, still missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A bizarre case.
BRADLEY: Call the tips hotline if you know where she`s at!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They say they are exhausted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody`s sleeping. Nobody`s eating.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hard to tell what they`ve been doing to get exhausted.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mommy isn`t looking (ph). She is grieving, and that`s where...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don`t come out to speak to the media.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. To Caryn Stark, psychologist joining us out of New York. Caryn, how would this counselor go about questioning the boys about the night their sister goes missing? Give it to me in a nutshell, Caryn.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: The best way to question children, Nancy, is to be in some kind of a play situation with them. So either have them make up a story or be playing a game with them, and while you`re engaging them in a fantasy world, then you bring in the facts of what you`re trying to get out of them so they`re connected to you and they don`t have to be afraid of what`s happening.
But children, when they act out fantasies, the fantasies are based on things that they know, and so then they can begin to talk about what`s happened to them.
GRACE: To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert. Ben, the parents have stated they could not make outgoing calls on their cell phone because they forgot to pay the bill. Yet now we confirm through two sources that a nearly a minute call was made in the hours after baby Lisa goes missing from the stolen phone -- the stolen phone. What does that tell you, Ben Levitan?
BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Well, Nancy, that is a really bad lie because this is pretty forensic evidence. A 50- second call was made. Not only that, we`re going to be able to find out where that call was made from, from a general area. Was it made from the house? Was it made from the supermarket? Who was it made to? Are there other calls that were made?
Now, these sound like people who are used to having their phone cut off because you know when your phone gets cut off, you can still get incoming calls for a while. It was a convenient lie. But this is not something that you can dance around when the -- I don`t know if the police are holding this back to use it in an interview, but this is real forensic. And this is not something you can talk your way out of.
GRACE: And it`s going to be very interesting to find out who that call was made to after the cell phone was stolen. To Dr. Vincent Dimaio, former chief medical examiner, Bexar County, forensic pathologist. Dr. Dimaio, so great to have you with us. If the parents are afraid or concerned about their children giving a buccal or buccal swab, could you explain what that is? Doesn`t harm them or inflict any pain at all, does it?
DR. VINCENT DIMAIO, FMR. CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): No. All you do -- essentially, it`s like taking a Q-tip, putting it in the mouth and swabbing one side of the inside of the mouth.
GRACE: With me, Dr. Vincent Dimaio. Tonight, the search on for a 10- month-old baby girl allegedly stolen out of her own crib just feet away from her own mother. A $100,000 reward, tip line 816-474-8477. Where is baby Lisa?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 9-year-old Robby Wood. Robby has a severe case of autism and was last seen with his father and other family members before running off.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A grueling search effort made more challenging by the rugged geography.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Robby wood Junior has been found and reunited with his family. He was found at approximately 2:00 p.m. on the Martin Marietta quarry property. It was approximately three quarters to a mile from where he was last seen. The search is over. The investigation continues. And there are a lot of people to thank.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here at VCU Medical Center he`s in the emergency room. He`s being evaluated at this time. They could not tell us how long he`s been here or what he`s being treated for.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one on the team ever gave up and I have to say that there was sometimes that you just had to reach down and find that faith that you were going to find him. And whether it`s appropriate or not, there is a god. He listens to prayer. And prayers were answered.
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Hi everybody, welcome back. Season 13 "Dancing with the Stars". We`re taking your calls. Last week we had -- what did we have?
TRISTAN MACMANUS, NANCY GRACE`S PARTNER, DANCING WITH THE STAR SEASON 13: We had a FOX trot.
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GRACE: I`m losing my mind. This week the jive and the tango. We are taking your calls.
Let`s go straight out to former stars on the show and contestants and pros. With me right now Jerry Springer, the 21st season on the Jerry Springer show. Spring in Vegas for "America`s got talent" live and "price is right" live.
Twenty one years. Wow Springer, that`s a long time. How do you manage to fit in "Dancing with the Stars?"
Jerry Springer, CONTESTANT, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 2: Well, first let me apologize for 21 years. I ruined the culture, I`m sorry.
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SPRINGER: But the "Dancing with the Stars" that was a nice break until I was actually in it. And as you know, God, it`s a lot of work.
GRACE: Wait a minute. Is that you in a matador outfit?
SPRINGER: You`re so hurtful.
GRACE: I wanted to wear a matador outfit in a said no. And there is - well, I`m telling Warren Springer all about this.
SPRINGER: Well, I tell you what, that was the worst dance in the world. I started out by having to break a guitar on the steps but I`m such a wimp I couldn`t break it and instead of moving on to the next steps I`m up there still trying to break the guitar and my --
GRACE: Which is one of the reasons, Jerry Springer, that I told Tristan don`t give me any props to use because they never work out for me. Guys in case you didn`t know is Springer, born in London, his family fled the holocaust, immigrated to New York City, former mayor of Cincinnati, invited by Oxford University to lecture. So, Jerry, could give me some dancing tips please in your free time?
SPRINGER: Well, I`ll tell you, you`re so far ahead of me, Nancy. You know what`s great about you?
GRACE: Did you hear that?
SPRINGER: Among other things. But you are the American citizen. I mean you`re just like a regular person out there, obviously at least initially not in a comfort zone but everyone can relate to you and you`re beating it every week. I mean it`s just; it really is inspiring to watch.
GRACE: Don`t jinx it Springer.
SPRINGER: So what, they have that skill. You just went out there. You`re doing it. Good for you.
GRACE: I wish you could see what I`m seeing. There you are dancing with a scantily clothed pro.
Let`s go to the lines. Kimberly in Virginia. Hi Kimberly, what`s your question?
KIMBERLY, CALLER, VIRGINIA: Hi Nancy. I`m so proud of you in "Dancing with the stars." I think that you`re doing such a wonderful job. Since you had these past weeks of experiences and dances, do you think it gets easier with some of the techniques and dance holds you have to do?
GRACE: You know what, Kimberly? Before last night at 9:00 p.m. -- what is on your shirt?
OK. I don`t want to even look at that. Last night at 9:00 p.m. I was trying to do the jive in a very hot rehearsal hall. 9:00 p.m. Lucy was at home crying for me. John David had already fallen asleep. I thought I was getting the hang it until last night around 9:00 p.m. and we can cross-examine Tristan MacManus on those problems later.
Let`s go out to Mark Ballas, professional dancer. Marc, give us some dancing tips. We`re missing you.
MARK BALLAS, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS: You miss me? I miss you guys. Dance tips. What kind of tips would you like, Nancy?
GRACE: Well, first of all, you had a great, great last dance before you guys went home. Tell me, what went wrong? The dance was great with your partner.
BALLAS: I don`t know. I think it was one of those things. She danced great every week. We had three really good weeks and she was talented and she was gifted and very natural. But, you know, sometimes this is the thing with the show. It`s risky because you really have to have the audience vote for their favorite or vote for their favorite dance. And sometimes people think when she`s doing so well, she did so good. I am going to give my vote to somebody else and then a lot of people that have same idea and unfortunately you end up you know going home.
GRACE: OK, let me get this straight Ballas. Are you actually telling me you guys danced too well to stay on the show? That`s what it sounds like.
BALLAS: I wouldn`t say that.
GRACE: Yes, you did.
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BALLAS: No. She had a really good week and also the other thing I think that kind of, you know, killed us a little bit was the personal story week. Everyone had these beautiful emotional stories and Kristine`s was like I moved to L.A. and I`m just like pursuing a career and it wasn`t very like, you know what I mean
GRACE: I think it was something about that was the year I graduated from high school, and unfortunately it came right after J.R. talked about getting blown up in the war. Yes. I see where you`re headed.
With me right now is Drew Lachey, the winner of season 2, former member of boy band 98 degrees. Let`s see Lachey. There he is.
My goodness, you are good looking.
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GRACE: Drew, tell Tristan and myself what does it take to go all the way. How did you do it?
DREW LACHEY, WINNER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 2: It`s tough. It takes a blend of a lot of different things. Obviously, you have to put the works on the dances but you also have to get out there and does the P.R. game to make it work and get those votes that Mark was talking about.
You know so it`s kind of finding the balance. But if you put your work in the dances and show you`re committed to them and you don`t make jokes out of them that usually go a long way to win over the fans.
GRACE: Who would make out of one of these dances? I mean it`s so pressurized. What do you mean don`t make a joke out of it?
LACHEY: I mean don`t run around wearing matador costumes and smashing guitars, and things like that.
GRACE: Well, hey, it worked for Springer.
LACHEY: I know. Jerry and I go back a long way. I have a lot of respect for Mister Springer.
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GRACE: Well, I thought he looked good in his matador outfit. OK, I`m taking your words under advisement, no jokes, Tristan.
With me right Helio Castroneves, winner season five, three times the 500 champs. Hi Helio. It was great meeting you in person.
HELIO CASTRONEVES, WINNER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON FIVE: Nancy it was awesome to see you. And let me tell you, you guys did a hell of a job on the FOX trot. Let me tell you the whole crowd that was there, it was exciting, it was thrilling. So, keep up the good work. It was definitely a great job.
MACMANUS: Thank you.
GRACE: You know Sasha Farber is with us Helio. She was a strip dancer.
Sasha, you`ve danced so many times but not a lot of people know very much about you. What can you tell me? Where are you from and how did you end up on the dance floor on "Dancing with the Stars"?
SASHA FARBER, TROUPE DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS: I`m actually originally from Australia and I`ve been touring around the year for 11 years. It`s always been dream come true of mine to actually be on "Dancing with the Stars". So, I finally landed and got the job.
GRACE: OK. Dana, please take down camera on. OK, I just want to make sure he`s got on a shirt. Wait. You don`t have on a shirt Sasha. This is not "Dancing with the Stars". Did somebody loan you a jacket? OK. Good. You wore a shirt. I`m glad.
Also tonight Val Chmerkovskiy, dancer season 13. So Val, you`ve been booted. How bad did it hurt? Go ahead tell me.
VAL CHMERKOVSKIY, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 13: See I have a shirt on.
GRACE: You do you have on clothes. Good. How do you get over getting booted, yes?
CHMERKOVSKIY: You make appearances on Nancy Grace weekly. That`s a good way to get through it. You know, the way I got through it, I guess I was fortunate enough to continue dancing on the show and do the pro numbers. Dance to wonderful artists. It`s a huge privilege for me. Plus the relationship that it I build there and I continue to root for my brother. I root for you, obviously, Nancy.
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GRACE: Everybody I want to give a special thank to you California friend, Monica and her son for showing up and voting for us on "Dancing with the Stars". Matthew is in a wheelchair loves "Dancing with the Stars". Monica and Matthew thank you for watching and voting.
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GRACE: My goal this week is make him cry every night to leave rehearsal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every week we go in there and try to be a little bit better than the week before. That`s what this show is about in my opinion.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chaz and Lacy.
MACMANUS: I would like to personally say thank you for myself and from Orland and my family too because of your help has got us the support that made us stay here this week.
GRACE: I need an expert. I need an expert to get into Tristan`s mind. This is Tristan`s mom. High knee, kicks, smiles, was he always that way? We take sympathy votes.
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We`re taking your calls. Here with me Tristan MacManus my dancing partner who has managed to drag us through another week. We had a pretty tough dance last week. This week we have the jive and tango, a group dance.
MACMANUS: Group dance. Yes. Good team now. Right?
GRACE: Yes. We`ve got really -- who is on our team? Let`s tell them.
MACMANUS: We`re on the team with J.R.
GRACE: Love him.
There are some women involved too, Tristan.
MACMANUS: Sorry.
GRACE: J.R. and Karina, Arquette and Kimmy, you and me. We`re bringing the tango back. Yes, Tristan and me.
Let`s go out to Chelsea Hightower, pro dancer seasons 8 through 12. Chelsea, can you give me some tango tips?
CHELSEA HIGHTOWER, PROFESSIONAL DANCER, DANCING WITH THE STARS SEASON 8-12: Tango tips. Tango is really fun but it`s one of the hardest dances. So you have to make sure to keep a strong frame and the best thing about you is that you`re very strong in what you do and the tango is very strong also. You can take that personality you have when you do your show and apply to it the tango, like you did with the FOX trot. And you will be good. You`ll being a great.
GRACE: Tristan wants to ask you a question.
MACMANUS: Can I ask you a question?
HIGHTOWER: No, actually. What?
MACMANUS: What tip would you give to Nancy for say learning the jive because it`s quite difficult the dance, is quite a fast dance.
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HIGHTOWER: The jive. The jive, you just got to go out there and have fun. You got to keep that jive bounce and that jive rhythm with you the whole time and have fun with it.
GRACE: You know I`m going remember that since Len doesn`t care about foot work or form. Just have fun with it. OK, I`ll keep that in mind.
Can you give me some tips about -- what?
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LACHEY: For me the jive was a lot of fun. You know, to me it`s all about getting your knee up and getting those kicks sharp. You know. But if you look back at the people you have on here they are all people that went out and had fun. Everybody loved Jerry Springer. Everybody loved Helio. You know when they`re out there, they have fun. So, it`s sound cliche but having fun does carry a lot of weight.
GRACE: To Helio. To Helio. Helio, when you were wearing that yellow zoo suit is that when you were dancing the jive?
CASTRONEVES: No. That actually was the quickstep. My third week was the jive and let me tell you, the bad news on the jive was very physical. Julianne was really making me kick those legs. It was very hard. At the end of the day for me it was the hardest one. I ended up having tendonitis in my legs because it was so difficult. But I guess Juliana was trying to be like looking for details and she knew my potential. To be honest, the truth is (inaudible) because she`s looking exactly what`s your strength. And right now the last dance, FOX trot is great. You guys should keep going in that direction.
GRACE: Mark Ballas tips on the jive.
BALLAS: Tips on the jive. I think it`s all about like a choosing and keeping your knees up. If you can create your bounce. And also slip you standing foot. You know there once that you got to slip the other one. A one, a two, a three. Get that down it will give you a good jive bounce. People love that. And smile and have fun with Tristan or Justin.
MACMANUS: I guess it`s a question to everyone. It`s fun to balance, to be able to do something so fast anticipate still to be able to take a moment to relax and breathe I guess. I mean hell, you`ve got to breath. You`ve got to breath.
BALLAS: You got to breathe. You can get gassed on that really quick. And I think as long as in your mine you`re taking your time. Breathing in to nose not to the mouth while you know executing the rest of the fast movement. You should be able to get through it with endurances and stamina.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Debbie in Michigan. Hi, Debbie, what`s your question?
DEBBIE, CALLER, MICHIGAN: Hi, Nancy. You give us such a thrill. I`m watching with such joy as you and Tristan dance. I haven`t heard you yet address the physical fitness aspects of dance how that is affecting you mentally and physically and how you plan to keep it going after you and Tristan win.
GRACE: Well, number one I`m just trying to get through Monday`s dance the jive and the tango, which is, you know, a very tall order. Physically, accidentally lost 21 pound. You know, I don`t know how you`re pushing me around the floor 21 pounds ago but you did managed.
I did notice he - hey, show us a shot of that lift, Dana. I notice he didn`t do a lift until I lost the 21 pounds. Although he very kindly never called me a fatty which was sweet. But the reality is that it`s all actually been coincidental because there`s just so much physical activity and even though Tristan makes fun of me I`m really too tired to eat. That`s not the lift. See if you can dig that up from the group dance lesson.
MACMANUS: Hold on a second. Did you say I would make fun of you?
GRACE: I said no you`ve never made fun of me. I`m speaking English not Celtic.
Out to the lines. Debbie in Georgia. Hi Debbie.
DEBBIE, CALLER, GEORGIA: Hi, Nancy and Tristan. My daughter Jaime and I we`re your biggest fans on "Dancing with the Stars", plus your show that comes on every night at 8:00 which I haven`t been able to watch it on Mondays because I`m watching you on "dancing." But I want to know how you have so much energy. I vote also with my phones, my internet. I get my brother in-law, my family. You are so beautiful. Beautiful. You are like a teenager with your long hair. And I believe with all my heart that you and Tristan will win. So, it`s a wonderful team.
MACMANUS: Thank you.
GRACE: You know, the thing is about Tris, is that a lot of -- you hear about a lot of pros blowing up at their stars because we`re all terrible. That never happens, Debbie in Georgia. He keeps it steady, we keep moving ahead. And I`m just very, very lucky. Although I`ll reiterate, Debbie in Georgia, he did not do a lift until I lost 21 pounds.
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MACMANUS: I didn`t know what was going on. When I turned around, I heard the words you`re safe. But I did not figure what`s the vote.
GRACE: Remember to vote. 800-868-3405. Help me!
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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are taking your calls with an all-star "Dancing with the Stars" cast. We are set to dance the jive and the tango and Monday, my God in heaven help me.
To Drew Lachey, winner, season two. Drew, in something like the jive, how do you keep your head on when the steps are so fast and furious? Was that your question?
Yes, not him, me. How do I do that?
LACHEY: Honestly, for me it was getting the music into my body and making the steps second nature to where you know exactly what`s coming up and you feel each turn, each kick and exactly where it sits, so you`re not thinking about it, you sit into it and have fun with it.
You know having two dances to do this week is harder because you have to balance in your mind what you`re remembering. But if you just can try and get them in your body and get that muscle memory going, it will do you wonders come Monday night.
GRACE: And to Val. Val, to me, translating what Lachey just said, I think he`s saying repetition, repetition, repetition, until you know it by heart, by second nature. Would you agree?
CHMERKOVSKIY: I would definitely, I would agree with actually everything Drew said on the show today. First of all, to make it in this competition, you have to let go of your, I guess guard and people love vulnerability. People love to see people you know go out and be genuine, and I think you`ve done that. That`s one of the reasons I think you`ve been successful, both you and Tristan are so lovable in real life and you portray that honesty on television screen.
GRACE: Yes, go ahead.
CHMERKOVSKIY: In terms of preparation for jive, you can`t think on the dance floor. If you able to make it second nature like Drew said, you could really let go and enjoy yourself.
GRACE: Sasha, when Tristan starts crying at about 8:00 or 9:00 to go home and stop rehearsing, I should make him stay, right?
FARBER: Choose your words, mate. Practice makes perfect.
GRACE: OK, Farber says you got to stay.
Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant James Kearney the third, 22, Emerson Iowa, killed in Afghanistan. Awarded bronze star, purple heart, loved basketball, hunting, mudding, his jeep. Scout leader. Merit badge counselor. Leaves behind grieving parents James Junior and Teresa. Brothers Jeremy and Brandon, sister Melinda. James Kearney III. American Hero.
Thanks to our guests and for you for being with us.
And happy birthday to Atlanta lawyer Renee Rockwell in Louisiana 106. I first saw her in court with purple beads on but women didn`t wear long pants in court. Happy birthday Renee. And happy birthday to our superstar Mike, loves cooking and traveling and family.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern. And until then, good night.
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