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Piers Morgan Live
Interview with Heidi Klum; Interview With Duran Duran
Aired October 28, 2011 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Tonight, the original supermodel-turned- super mogul on her naughty past.
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HEIDI KLUM, SUPERMODEL: What makes you think that I was a nice little girl?
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MORGAN: Love at first sight with rock star husband Seal.
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KLUM: Yes, we did find each other in a hotel lobby in New York City. And it was kind of like two magnets that went like this.
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MORGAN: And the surprising reason she became an American.
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MORGAN: Specifically, apparently, so you could vote for Barack Obama.
KLUM: I did.
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MORGAN: What does she think about that now? My first encounter with the beautiful and rather cheeky Heidi Klum.
Plus --
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MORGAN: The music of Duran Duran was the soundtrack of the '80s. Now, they're back and they say they're better than ever. All the sex, drugs, and rock and roll you could possibly wish for.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got a phone call, and they said you've got 15 minutes to get out of here. I said, 15 minutes? He said, yes, 15 minutes, pack your bags and get out of the room.
MORGAN: Stuff things out of a 20-story floor of a hotel. You're not a proper rock star.
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MORGAN: This is PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT.
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MORGAN: I can't decide what tie to wear for this interview.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, they're all really nice.
MORGAN: You know what? I should go and ask her. She's a supermodel, after all. She should know.
Heidi, how are you?
KLUM: Piers.
MORGAN: Nice to see you.
KLUM: Nice to se you.
MORGAN: Now, I've got a slight sartorial issue I'd like you to resolve.
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: What tie should I wear for our interview?
KLUM: Can you wear none? I don't really like any of them.
MORGAN: Really?
KLUM: Yes. You look hot like that. I would actually open one more button. Let me see. You're kind of like a bear that way.
MORGAN: Wow. Like a bear.
KLUM: Just go like this. Yes, you're a little bit hairy right there.
MORGAN: Really?
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: Well, you are Heidi Klum.
KLUM: Just go like that.
MORGAN: What Heidi wants Heidi will get.
KLUM: That's what my husband says.
MORGAN: Really?
KLUM: Happy wife, happy life.
MORGAN: Why don't we leave your husband out of this for the time being?
KLUM: Come on, let's do it.
MORGAN: Like a bear.
She has one of the most recognizable faces in the world. It would be hard to find many people who haven't heard of or at least seen Heidi Klum. She's a model turned mogul, a TV superstar, a mother of four, and she's my guest, and she has made me de-robe for this interview.
KLUM: Yes. And you look good.
MORGAN: You're quite bossy, aren't you?
KLUM: I am.
MORGAN: Do you always get your own way?
KLUM: But you see you did it.
MORGAN: I'm not sure if it's a good idea. It might be career wrecking. I feel suddenly naked without the tie. I feel a bit like Simon Cowell sitting here.
KLUM: No, you look good.
MORGAN: Really?
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: That's good enough for me.
KLUM: But I like to be bossy. My husband says it all the time.
MORGAN: Seal's a big lad. I mean, you boss him around?
KLUM: He's big, but he's very gentle. And you need to have a bossy wife in the house to get things done.
MORGAN: Do you feel lucky to have met Seal?
KLUM: Of course.
MORGAN: Because it felt like the pair of you had been sort of searching for each other and then you collided, and you have this extraordinary life with hundreds of children and fabulously successful careers?
KLUM: Four. We have four.
MORGAN: Yes, you have four kids.
KLUM: It feels like 100 sometimes with the speed, the way they go. Yes, we did find each other, in a hotel lobby in New York City, and it was kind of like two magnets that went like this.
MORGAN: Was it really?
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: Talk me through -- I like this. Talk me through this moment. What were you both doing there?
KLUM: I was just visiting a friend. And we were sitting in the hotel lobby. And it was a mutual friend of ours. And my husband came into the hotel after he just went to the gym, and he was wearing hot little bicycle shorts. And he was very sweaty. And I was like, oh, hello.
(LAUGHTER)
MORGAN: You knew him, right?
KLUM: I hadn't met him before. But obviously I knew his music, yes.
MORGAN: And did he know you?
KLUM: No.
MORGAN: So what happened next?
KLUM: I told him to sit down, have a pizza with us.
MORGAN: Literally, like that?
KLUM: Yes. And he said no, I have to go and take a shower. And I'm like, no, I think you should really sit down and have a pizza with us. And he's like, no, I really have to go take a shower. I said, OK, then take a shower and come back. And he did.
MORGAN: You really are bossy. You were ordering him to join you in his sweaty bicycle shorts.
KLUM: But see, what would have happened, you know? I would have said come sit down and then he would have said I have to go take a shower and then our ways would have --
MORGAN: So he came back down. What happens then?
KLUM: What happens then? Then we just chatted. We were sitting together and chatted and ate a pizza and we exchanged numbers. And then --
MORGAN: And he hasn't got a clue you're Heidi Klum the supermodel?
KLUM: No.
MORGAN: He doesn't know, seriously?
KLUM: No. I don't think he knew what I was doing. I wasn't all that dolled up and stuff. No.
MORGAN: So what happens then?
KLUM: Then we met each other again, but always with friends. We saw each other again. We went to dinners. Or it was fashion week. We went to like a fashion event at night.
And then we went to another dinner. And then we were kind of sitting at this table with a lot of different people. And you know, our hands kind of met under the table by accident. And you know how normally when that would happen you would just do a jerk reaction and go the other way --
MORGAN: No, it doesn't happen --
KLUM: But then we didn't do that.
MORGAN: It was pretty good?
KLUM: It went like this and normally we'd go and we just went like this. No one saw it. And we were just sitting there under the table holding hands.
MORGAN: And who gripped who?
KLUM: We both gripped each other.
MORGAN: And what were you thinking in that second?
KLUM: I got really hot.
MORGAN: Did you think this is the guy?
KLUM: I was like, oh, wow. Yes.
MORGAN: Had you kissed lots of frogs to get to this point?
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: And you were thinking I can't find the right guy? Like so many supermodels. There's no one out there who can deal with me because supermodels are so scary.
KLUM: I'm not quite that difficult, even though maybe I'm a little bit bossy. But you know, in order to get things done, you do have to be a little bit bossy sometimes or tell people what you really want. Otherwise, things just don't get done, do they?
MORGAN: So you squeeze hands, and then you get married. How does he propose? I'd imagine it would be incredibly romantic with Seal. KLUM: It was. I mean, it was probably one of the most amazing engagements. Like when I hear other people, how they got engaged. I mean, my husband, we were in whistler, and he rented a helicopter. He had an igloo built on top of this mountain. And --
MORGAN: He had an igloo built on a mountain?
KLUM: Yes. He did, like a full on igloo with a bed inside with pillows and blankets and candles and rose petals.
MORGNA: Oh, my God.
KLUM: It was full on.
MORGAN: And then what happens in you get helicoptered to the igloo.
KLUM: I went in a helicopter and he knew that I'm not into flying. I'm quite scared of flying, and especially helicopters, I don't like them at all. And as soon as I saw the helicopter, I'm like what are you doing? You know I don't like this.
But then I was like there must be something really good on the other end of this ride. Why is he doing this to me? And it was.
MORGAN: So talk me through the proposal.
KLUM: So then we hop into the helicopter, and I cried because when I get scared I cry. You know? And it's all like chopping in the wind. And I'm like, why are you making me do this? This is terrible.
And then we get there, we hop off. And then the helicopter leaves. And there we are in the middle of nowhere. It was beautiful. And then he had his guitar with him. And he sang a song for me. And he went down on his knee --
MORGAN: Wait, what was the song?
KLUM: He just made something up. It never came out. It was not something that --
MORGAN: Seal is on bended knee in an igloo on top of a mountain sing a special song to you.
KLUM: Yes, he did.
MORGAN: How could any woman resist this?
KLUM: Exactly.
MORGAN: And what were his exact words of proposal?
KLUM: "Do you want to marry me?"
MORGAN: What did you say?
KLUM: I said yes.
MORGAN: What an amazing story.
KLUM: Yes, it was beautiful. And then we went in the igloo. You know?
MORGAN: And then what happened?
KLUM: And then nine months later Henry was born.
MORGAN: No.
KLUM: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
MORGAN: You should have called him igloo.
KLUM: No. We called him Henry because --
MORGAN: That's what the Beckhams would have done.
KLUM: Yes, that's true. No, because one of Seal's name is Henry, and I always loved that name. Actually, his parents, and his brothers and sisters, they all call him Henry. But here in America they call him Seal. And that has become like his name, I guess.
But I always loved Henry. And I said if we have a boy, I want to call him Henry.
MORGAN: And how have you managed to sustain such a happy relationship? Because I've seen you together and you are incredibly happy together. In two businesses which are notorious for their lack of longevity in relationships.
KLUM: I just think because we love each other. We have fun with each other. We respect each other. I let him do his thing, even though that's hard for me sometimes, you know, because I'm like I'm not sure if I like that song. Are you sure? And then I'm like have to zip it up sometimes.
And you learn that the years that you are together, I learned how you have to like let him do his creative thing because I am quite bossy in my industry. So sometimes I say too many things and I learned to kind of hold back.
So I let him do his thing. He lets me do my thing. And you know, we spend a lot of time together. And with four children, we're very family-oriented. We do a lot of things together.
MORGAN: How do you be a mother to four children with everything else you do?
KLUM: You know, I don't know how that happened. We always had one baby at a time. I know that sounds kind of weird. But we never thought, oh, we're going to have four children one day. You know, we had Blingey (ph) and then we had Henry, and then we always looked around the table and we were like, we're still not complete. And then there came Johann (ph). And then we thought, you know, we're still not complete. And it would be so nice to have one more girl. And we just -- then came Lou three years later.
MORGAN: Are there any more planned?
KLUM: No, that's it
MORGAN: That's it.
KLUM: That's it. But it always kind of worked. I always juggled all the different things in my life. And I'm very creative. And I love doing more things than just modeling. That's how I kind of fell into all these different ventures because I love being creative. And it always worked with having children. And so I kind of juggled it all.
MORGAN: Let's take a look at the rather steamy video you made with your husband.
KLUM: Super steamy.
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MORGAN: That was called "Secret."
KLUM: You should do that with your wife.
MORGAN: I wouldn't mind, actually. I wouldn't mind making a steamy video. I'm not sure there would be quite the same appeal to the wider public that there is with you and Seal taking your clothes off.
KLUM: Well, you can just do it for the two of you.
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MORGAN: Do you like working with him?
KLUM: I do. I mean he -- he was very shy. See, I'm used to rolling around with not much on, doing Victoria's Secret (INAUDIBLE)--
MORGAN: You don't seem very shy to me.
KLUM: I'm not, you know. And even today, if I go to a beach somewhere, I'm not all covered up. I'm -- I've always been very free. That's how I grew up with my parents.
And so for me, it was not hard being in a studio with cameramen and filming us. But my husband was quite shy. He kept -- he was like, OK, who really needs to be here?
The cameraman?
OK. Who really else needs to be here?
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KLUM: Everyone else, out. Like he was -- he was quite shy about it.
MORGAN: I want to take another break and comeback and talk to you about how a nice little girl from a little place in Germany became this runway supermodel superstar.
How did this happen?
KLUM: What makes you think that I was a nice little girl?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's pathetic.
KLUM: It is pathetic. It is kind of pathetic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know.
KLUM: How is this possible? How do you keep this skinny figure that you have?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't. I walk a lot. A lot. And I do a lot of stair climbing.
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MORGAN: That'd during your hit show, "Project Runway."
Did you ever imagine when you started it would be nine seasons?
KLUM: No way. No. You just don't when you get into something like that.
You know, when we first created "Project Runway," it was Harvey Weinstein, Desiree Gruber, my publicist for the last 15 years and myself. And we just shopped it around. We went to all these different networks and tried to explain to them what we wanted to do was a show about fashion.
And everyone was like, well, why is that interesting?
Why would we want to watch how people make clothes?
But, you know, I love fashion and I'm in the industry for 18 years now and I'm a -- because it's so cool how they come up with new things all the time.
And then -- and then finally, we did find a network and we were on the air. And then it was really a word of mouth, you know, because we weren't having a big budget, hair and makeup and stylists and this, that. They would do me in the morning and then they would leave me high and dry. I would be like shiny and messed up by the end of the day. No one cared.
And -- but then we -- it got bigger and bigger and bigger because people really --
MORGAN: Well, it's a hugely --
KLUM: -- really loved it.
MORGAN: -- successful show. I mean it -- people love it. It seems to me --
KLUM: Because it's really about talent. It's really about talent.
MORGAN: Yes.
KLUM: And I think people admire those designers when they see what they can do.
MORGAN: You're wearing, actually, a dress from this season --
KLUM: I am.
MORGAN: -- right?
KLUM: I am. This is a dress from Anya (ph).
MORGAN: Well, it's beautiful -- it's a beautiful dress.
KLUM: Yes. She's a great designer. And she just learned how to sew four months before she came on the show. And I really fought for her, because --
MORGAN: That is amazing, to design something that good with that little experience.
KLUM: Yes, no, because that just tells you -- you don't have to necessarily go to school and learn everything from, you know, from -- from scratch. If you are talented, you can really do anything. And if your heart is at the right place and you have the passion for it, you can go for it and do it.
MORGAN: Well, your heart began in the small town of Bergisch Gladbach in Germany.
KLUM: Um-hmm.
MORGAN: Did I pronounce that right?
KLUM: Yes. Bergisch Gladbach.
MORGAN: So, a young German girl and you -- were you dreaming of being a model?
Was that always the dream for you?
KLUM: No, not at all. I didn't even know that that was a job, to be honest. I wanted to be a fashion designer. I went to school and I went for 13 years and after that, I would have given to Dusseldorf and I would have done the design school. And then I entered a competition.
I literally, out of a fashion magazine cut out a coupon with my girlfriend, sent some random photos in that she took of me, entered this competition. And it went on for six months. It was a model search, you know, Face 92, it was.
And then I won that by pure luck. It was like winning the lottery. And that's how I started.
MORGAN: And it was. You went on to become this incredibly successful catwalk model, magazine cover star, everything, Victoria's Secret. I mean there was nothing you didn't do. You conquered the world of modeling, didn't you?
KLUM: A little bit.
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: I mean, I can't -- I can't say no, I didn't. All, I mean I've done hundreds of magazine covers and I got to work with some of the greatest --
MORGAN: What was the most --
KLUM: -- designers --
MORGAN: -- exciting moment for you?
KLUM: Every one and it still is, because everyone is a little step again. You know, you can't say Victoria's Secret was the biggest thing, because then there was "Sports Illustrated" and that was huge.
And then I did a "Mirabella" cover that was awesome. And then I did "Cell" (ph).
So, everything was because everything, you know, put you out there again, because you can't just do one thing like I won this television show and then you're done, you lay back, you're like, yes, what's coming next?
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: It just doesn't work like that. Everything is just as important as the thing before.
MORGAN: Karl Lagerfeld said something supremely bitchy about your company years ago. He said: "Heidi is no runway model. She's simply too heavy and has too big a bust and she always -- KLUM: Well, that's probably true.
MORGAN: -- grins so stupidly."
KLUM: Which is probably true. I am --
MORGAN: That's one of the bitchiest things I've ever read and completely ridiculous.
KLUM: I am -- I mean, I am not a runway model. I never have been. And I never did all the big fashion shows.
I was always too heavy, too curvy. My boobs, at the time, before having four children, you know, it was -- I was too curvy. I wouldn't fit in the clothes. And I was too short and just not thin enough.
So that's true.
MORGAN: Not thin enough and too short?
KLUM: For this industry, yes, because the designers, such as him, they require the girls to be a certain weight, height and size.
MORGAN: Yes, but I think he's talking absolute claptrap, old Karl. And, also, it's dangerous sort of nonsense that he's starting, isn't it?
KLUM: I mean, I --
MORGAN: He's making young women think that they look at you and they should think that you're all these things. And it's ridiculous.
KLUM: I definitely agree with some of it. I did not want to starve myself and get ill and do all of these things that are expected, you know, for you to fit into that. And so, I just didn't. I thought I'm just going to find my own way or I don't. If I don't, I go back to Germany and I do something else, you know?
MORGAN: I mean, there is a danger --
KLUM: I also like food too much.
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: So that was a big problem. I was like --
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MORGAN: I mean I hate -- I hate the whole size zero thing. And most men I know hate it, too.
KLUM: But I don't --
MORGAN: They don't want a really skinny --
KLUM: -- understand size zero. How is that possible? Zero to me, means nothing. So --
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MORGAN: Well, it is --
KLUM: -- there.
MORGAN: But it's a kind of, you know, it's almost skeletal look that became so popular in the '90s.
KLUM: Right.
MORGAN: That the only way a woman should be portrayed in a magazine is to be ludicrously skinny.
KLUM: I think --
MORGAN: Which I just think is really dangerous.
KLUM: I think to be thin or too skinny, that's like two different things. I do like to be fit. You know, I feel better when I'm fit. Like I don't think I'm skinny, but I feel like I'm fit.
You know, I work out. I eat super healthy. Our children eat super healthy. And I just feel better that way than being, you know, a little bit overweight. But --
MORGAN: You also look relatively natural.
KLUM: Thanks.
MORGAN: Any -- any scalpel at any stage?
KLUM: No.
MORGAN: Would you ever?
KLUM: I mean, I don't want to say never. You know, I don't know. Who knows?
Twenty years down the line. I don't think --
MORGAN: But you're even frowning.
KLUM: But right now -- I know. My mom says you can't do this because --
MORGAN: But that's -- KLUM: -- I do talk like that a lot.
And what are you going to do?
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: I have that from my dad. He has a lot of those lines.
MORGAN: Yes, but I've had lots of models in here who can't frown. It's physically impossible.
KLUM: Yes, I just -- I can't face myself. I can't look in the mirror and look at fake things. I just can't. I'd rather age.
MORGAN: Really? That's interesting.
KLUM: Yes, I'd rather age. I feel like looking in the mirror when you brush your teeth, yes, I see lines and then I smile and I see things here and there. But that's just, you know, you -- that's your journey, you know?
I feel like that's part of being OK with getting older, too.
MORGAN: But when you walk around L.A. and you see, you know, very beautiful women, but they've just desecrated their faces, I find it really sad when I see that.
I -- I sort of think why have you done that? Who are you doing it for?
KLUM: I don't know. I never like to talk bad about people who do it, either, because whatever makes you feel good is what you should do.
MORGAN: Is it chronic insecurity?
Is your great gift, if you like, the fact that you're secure in yourself, you're self-confident?
KLUM: Yes, I have --
MORGAN: You don't need to have that --
KLUM: I have self-confident. I do. You know, I think that we all are not perfect and we have all flaws and I could run a little bit more, you know, than -- than -- and I do sometimes go through spurts. Like in the summer, I do like this six-week run and I go really crazy and I run a lot and then I stop again. And I'm like, I should really start again.
So everyone has their things that they don't love as much.
But at the end of the day, I'm happy with myself and that's it. And if I get wrinkles and I get a little bit older, that's fine with me.
MORGAN: I think we're all --
KLUM: I'm 38 now.
MORGAN: -- we're all relatively happy with how you look, Heidi. I wouldn't -- I wouldn't panic yet.
KLUM: Well, thank you.
MORGAN: Let's have another little break and come back and talk to you about business.
KLUM: OK.
MORGAN: Because you're not just a pretty face, are you?
You're quite a smart cookie.
KLUM: I like business. I like to create things and make things.
MORGAN: You like making money, don't you?
KLUM: That, too.
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: Don't you?
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MORGAN: Back with my guest, Heidi Klum.
Now, Heidi, you are a smart business lady, aren't you?
Where did you get that from?
KLUM: I don't know if I'm that smart at it. I try as good as I can, you know? And I have made some things happen.
MORGAN: What's been your most satisfying business success?
KLUM: Business success?
Putting "Project Runway" on the air is definitely one of them.
I host "Germany's Next Top Model" in Germany. And I help produce that show and I host that show and I love doing all of that.
I love all my different ventures in designing if it's for Amazon -- I have a line that I sell there. My QVC lines for, you know, my jewelry that I -- that I just started bringing out there.
I design for Pea in the Pod and Motherhood for its maternity clothes, which I love. I do shoes with New Balance.
I do all the things that I love and I bring them out. And that is definitely something that I love. I love seeing people in my things and I love creating things and --
MORGAN: A few years ago, you became an American citizen.
KLUM: I have.
MORGAN: Specifically, apparently, so you could vote for Barack Obama.
KLUM: I did. MORGAN: Is that true?
KLUM: That's true.
MORGAN: Why did you feel so --
KLUM: I --
MORGAN: -- keen to do that?
KLUM: I've been here since '94. I've been paying quite a few taxes in this city -- in this country. And I felt that it would be right for me to, you know, vote for the next president. And I really, I don't know, I liked him and I wanted him to win over the other person.
MORGAN: How do you think he's doing?
KLUM: That is a tough question. First of all, you're really into this. And second of all, it's always very tough to talk about politics, don't you think?
I mean, there's so many things, if you get me started, I don't stop. And how long is this show?
So, but I mean you can't lay it all on one person to make things happen in --
MORGAN: How do the --
KLUM: I think you definitely try to --
MORGAN: -- how do the Germans all feel when you when you became an American?
KLUM: I still am a German, as well.
MORGAN: Oh, you are?
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: Did you ever stop being a German?
KLUM: I have a dual citizenship.
MORGAN: Yes.
KLUM: It's the dual for our children.
MORGAN: What do you think of America?
KLUM: I really like it. I think that people in America are very nice, when I talk about people in Germany who can be quite harsh, you know, with everything. Just -- and in the beginning, it kind of bugged me, when I first got here, and people would always be like, how are you? And I'm like I'm good.
But they didn't really care, so why do you ask me that question?
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: It's kind of this chitty chat and it's very -- they never really want to know really deep how you really feel or want to know too much about you. It's always very fluffy and stuff.
But that's not always bad, too, I found out afterwards.
MORGAN: Well, it's quite --
KLUM: If people --
MORGAN: -- it's quite polite, I think.
KLUM: It's polite and I think, also, people are quite generous here. And they are happy for you when you're doing well. It's a good job. It's great what you're doing.
In Germany, I feel like sometimes it's the opposite.
MORGAN: Well, Germany and Britain, I think, can be quite, both similar in this way, quite cynical places -- certainly if you are high profile and successful. A lot of people want to prick your balloons.
KLUM: Exactly. That's what I mean by that. You know, the Germans can be quite harsh and not be as happy for you than they are here in America.
MORGAN: But you're one of the most famous Germans ever, aren't you?
You and Boris Becker. Well, there aren't many. There aren't many globally famous Germans.
KLUM: Maybe not.
MORGAN: Can you think of any? Modern -- in the -- in the modern era, in the last sort of 30, 40 years?
KLUM: In Germany, definitely, yes. But not people that you would know here so much.
MORGAN: No.
KLUM: Yes.
MORGAN: What's next for the Heidi Klum Incorporated machine?
KLUM: More designing. That's really my passion, I love to design. So I will be doing more of that. You will be hearing and seeing more things.
MORGAN: Really?
KLUM: From the things -- yes, that I cook up.
MORGAN: And no more children. You've done that.
KLUM: No, we have four children and we're complete now. Like I told you before, we always looked around the table, is there still someone missing?
Yes, there's someone missing. Now there's no one missing anymore.
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: It's mayhem 24-7. It really is, because they're all so young, you know, seven, five, four and two. It's -- there's a lot --
MORGAN: And if they wanted --
KLUM: -- that's happening.
MORGAN: -- to, any of them, to get into fashion, would you worry about it, given the experiences you've had?
KLUM: I would not push them. No. I wouldn't push my kids to do anything. I want them to be happy, healthy, and I want them to be who they want to be, you know?
And I still have a few years to go on that. So, let's just see what they want to be.
MORGAN: What if they want to be --
KLUM: Now they should be kids.
MORGAN: -- a rock star like their dad?
KLUM: Yes. Henry could be. I mean, you definitely see the passion. You know, and Henry loves to dance and he loves to perform. They actually all love to perform. They give us tickets and then they put the chairs up, they put the music up and they start dancing and singing. And we all sit there and applaud and they -- they bow and they do all of that.
(LAUGHTER)
KLUM: They all have a little routine going on. Yes, we love it.
MORGAN: Well I -- I look forward to these kids growing up, actually, because they must -- they're going to look great and be very talented, aren't they?
KLUM: Oh, they're a lot of fun.
MORGAN: They have to.
KLUM: They're good kids.
MORGAN: Good genes.
KLUM: They drive me crazy sometimes, but they're good kids.
MORGAN: What's your proudest achievement, you personally?
KLUM: Oh, my family for sure. Yes. My husband, four children. That is, you know. That is everything.
MORGAN: The most important thing.
KLUM: What are you going to do if you have all the money in the world and all the things that you wanted to achieve in your business and you have no one to share it with? You come home alone at the end of the day. And then what?
MORGAN: And you come home to a guy who just gets on bended knee in igloos and sings you crazy.
KLUM: Exactly.
MORGAN: What more could a woman want?
Heidi, it's been a pleasure. Or as I believe they say in Germany -- (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
KLUM: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
MORGAN: Wow. You like my eyes.
It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
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MORGAN: Duran Duran has sold over 80 million records, had 18 American hit singles and 30 UK Top 30 hits. Now the boys are back with their -- boys? Not boys, they're men. The men are back with their 13th album "All You Need is Now." Their new single is "Leave a Light on." And John Taylor, Simon Le Bon and Nick Rhodes join me now.
Men you are, not boys anymore.
NICK RHODES, DURAN DURAN: Exactly.
MORGAN: And you're alive. I'm alive. We're all alive.
RHODES: Yes.
MORGAN: Who would've thought that to be 80s in Britain?
SIMON LE BON: We survived the '80s.
MORGAN: Exactly.
RHODES: And the '90s. SIMON LE BON, DURAN DURAN: Yes.
RHODES: It's the third British invasion, Piers.
MORGAN: Exactly. Exactly. You'd never really gone away. But when you come to America now, how's it changed in all senses from when you first came out here?
LE BON: Wow. I mean, we came out -- we've really hit New York to begin with. And it was just an incredible time. The early '80s in New York was amazing. The clubs that were there. Peppermint Lounge and Danceteria and Arias. It was incredible. There was a real scene there. Things have shifted a little bit now.
How was L.A. when we first came here, first?
NICK TAYLOR, DURAN DURAN: Boring.
I mean, yes, we played The Roxy, we did two shows at The Roxy and we stayed -- we got kicked out of The Hyatt. Continental Hyatt.
MORGAN: Kicked out of The Hyatt.
TAYLOR: That was a must do. It was a must do. You must get kicked out of The Hyatt --
MORGAN: So how did you get kicked out?
LE BON: Andy Taylor, who was a guitarist with Duran Duran, was standing on top of the hotel where there's a pool. And he found a bucket, and he as filling it up with water from the pool, pouring it over the diners who were eating in the open dining area 20 floors below.
I got a phone call, and they said you've got 15 minutes to get out of here. I said 15 minutes? Yes, 15 minutes. Pack your bags and get out of the room.
Sounds like our tour manager.
RHODES: Trevor. I have Trevor from Wolverhampton, who was very concerned about it because he was in the lobby and he got arrested by seven policemen. And he just said, I surrender.
MORGAN: Modern bands just don't do this kind of thing, do they?
RHODES: They haven't lived.
MORGAN: They're gutless.
LE BON: Gutless.
RHODES: Spineless.
MORGAN: They haven't chucked things out of a 20-story floor of a hotel. Really you're not a proper rock star, right? LE BON: Bloody jordies.
MORGAN: What about the music business itself? Because you were saying that this amazing record store around the corner.
I've actually got Vinyl sitting here in front of us here.
RHODES: Yes, Amoeba.
MORGAN: Amoeba is the store.
But, I mean, Vinyl for all intents and purposes is just not there anymore. How are you finding the changing style of music?
TAYLOR: Vinyl is here, actually. It's almost like the slow food movement now. You know, people -- well, in a way, you know, mp3s have become like the fast food of music. And if you want to listen to, you know, and you have a need, you can fix it with an mp3.
MORGAN: How do you guys listen to music yourselves?
TAYLOR: Well, ideally, I listen to music like that.
MORGAN: Do you?
TAYLOR: Yes.
MORGAN: Do all of you do?
LE BON: Yes.
RHODES: I don't have Vinyl at home. I have to confess. At studio we have Vinyl.
MORGAN: Why do you prefer it?
RHODES: It's better quality. It's much better quality.
MORGAN: Vinyl is better, is it?
LE BON: It's a better sound.
MORGAN: Is it, really?
LE BON: It's a ritual, putting it on, getting it oust sleeve, making sure that there's no fluff on it, and putting it on and putting the needle on. My wife, Yasmin, has Vinyl nights and she invites her friends over and they play '70s disco -- '70s and '80s disco music.
TAYLOR: You should see what they wear.
MORGAN: Are you guys on iTunes?
TAYLOR: We are.
MORGAN: One or two people are still resisting. RHODES: It's incredible, though. That is the world's record store now. No doubt. We actually released "All You Need is Now" the album, on that first before we put it out.
MORGAN: Can you make any money from that kind of thing? Real money. Or is all the money now just, from as I hear it, from touring and merchandise?
RHODES: Well, obviously, there's been enormous problems with illegal downloads, which has affected the entire industry in a massive way. But I think that will resolve itself over time.
MORGAN: How do you feel about it? Because you guys were the sort of trail blazers. But come on, we're all young, hip, crazy people. Part of you must think if you were a teenager, you wouldn't be paying for records, would you? You'd try to get them on the sly.
RHODES: Well, I think everybody likes to have things free. There's no question. And I understand it entirely. But at the same time, if we all did that in every industry, then there wouldn't be any --
MORGAN: That's completely wrong. I'm just not sure how you tame the Internet beast in that way.
TAYLOR: Yes. The culture is changing. You know, we're old guys. You know. And we're judging the business by our standards from when we were teenagers. But young people today have got an entirely different idea about how things are, you know.
So I think kids that are growing up that are starting bands have different expectations about what they can earn and how they can earn it. They have different ideas.
MORGAN: By the way, you're not old guys.
(CROSSTALK)
MORGAN: I think you're vaguely maturing. Like a final Shafel Latoure or something.
Last time I saw you...
LE BON: Yes --
MORGAN: ...was at the Chelsea Flower Show in London. One of our great social occasions.
LE BON: Yes.
MORGAN: And you could barely speak. It was back in May.
LE BON: Yes.
MORGAN: And you had this dreadful thing. Tell me what happened. You were on stage. LE BON: We were on stage in Cannes playing a show that was very late at night. I must have been -- gone in very hard at the beginning of the show. And I went for a note in the third song, "All You Need is Now," and I tried to hit it and it wasn't there. And I couldn't hit anything above that note. So I lost seven notes of my range. And I went to -- I've seen so many doctors. It's been a wonderful night --
MORGAN: How did you -- when you came on stage, how did you feel?
LE BON: Terrible. I mean, I didn't feel ill. But psychologically, I felt damaged.
MORGAN: I mean, you've been a singer 30 years.
LE BON: Yes.
MORGAN: That's all you've known.
LE BON: Yes. And, you know, people are very nice to me. But I've basically figured out that if I can't sing, what can I do?
I'm a good dad. You know, I'm good at looking after the dogs. I can ride bikes.
TAYLOR: It can get boring.
LE BON: And it was very challenging to me. And I was out of action for a long time.
MORGAN: Well, your whole tour had to be canceled.
LE BON: Yes.
MORGAN: Your European tour.
LE BON: Yes. But we're back on now. We've made a lot of improvement.
MORGAN: I mean, for the rest of you, a worrying moment.
TAYLOR: Yes, it was.
MORGAN: You guys -- the story is great. You formed Duran Duran. And then, either you found Simon, or as I believe he prefers to tell it, he found you, right? Which way around was it?
TAYLOR: Well, actually, there was a middle person, Fiona, that Simon was living with. But she was working at the club that Nick and I and Roger were working in. We kind of got the band going, but we didn't have the front man. So we had the name and we had a sound --
LE BON: Actually, we'd split up and she came to me and she said, Simon, I think you should go and meet these guys. And I went, I thought, OK, well. And then I turned up one day and we hit it of immediately. It was -- we recognized kindred spirits in the way we dressed, in what music we liked, in everything.
MORGAN: You were new romantics.
LE BON: We were post-punks at that point.
MORGAN: Post-punk, pre-new romantics.
LE BON: There wasn't such a thing as new romantics yet.
MORGAN: But you evolved into new romantics? Or you never really crossed that barrier?
TAYLOR: It was something a little opportunistic about that, I think. There was an article in "Sounds" about Spandau Ballet calling them The New Romantics. And we read, we didn't know what they sounded like, but reading the article it sounded like they were doing a similar thing to what we were doing. So we called up the journalist who'd written the piece and said, you know, we're doing something like that, you should come and check us out.
MORGAN: When we come back, I want to take you back to the heady days of sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
TAYLOR: Brilliant.
MORGAN: Which I used to report on and feel envious from my horrible little tabloid desk.
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MORGAN: That was your latest single "Leave a Light On" from your onstage tour performed here in L.A. and directed by David Lynch.
Your new collaborations with Mark Ronson on the new album. Now he's an exciting talent. Tell me about that.
LE BON: Mark has been a bit of a Duran fan for quite a few years. I remember meeting him in the streets in New York. Excuse me.
I remember meeting him in the streets of New York. He was 10 years old, and he asked for my autograph then.
MORGAN: Did he really?
LE BON: Yes. He's a -- he's come to us with a vision for how he feels Duran Duran should sound from the point of view of a fan. And it was something which really helped us.
MORGAN: What did he tell you that you maybe had just, I don't know, either got a bit complacent about? Or how did he revive the Duran magic, do you think?
RHODES: Well, I think really what Mark did was focus our attention on what we're good at.
LE BON: Yes. RHODES: He said, look, what people like about Duran Duran is this about your sound, the way that John, you play bass and you do this with Roger and you lock down to this funky groove. And then Simon sings -- sings a beautiful melody on top of this --
MORGAN: Was it reminding you, as a fan, was it reminding you of what you're all really good at, or was it making you more adaptable to the modern market?
LE BON: He said you don't have to try, you just have to do what you do, and that's what people want from you.
RHODES: If anything, he was reflecting for the first time on our earlier material because we don't usually look back on it. We try and just stay blinkered and move forward.
MORGAN: He had obviously a famous collaboration with Amy Winehouse.
LE BON: Right.
MORGAN: Obviously, she tragically died recently.
When you look at what happened to Amy Winehouse, you guys, at the peak of your fame -- I remember, I was reporting on it for one of the British papers. You know, you lived the excess life with great gusto and indeed pride and enthusiasm.
When you see what happened to Amy, what do you think of that?
TAYLOR: Well, I think we were fortunate that we were a band, first of all, and that we always had each other. And I think that, you know, whenever one of us got too close to the abyss, there were four guys kind of -- you know, you felt that. I mean, things got pretty hairy for all of us to different degrees. And we were quite I think -- I'm quite grate that we didn't lose any.
MORGAN: Did you all have moments when you could have potentially have ended up like Amy? I had her father in. It was interesting. The first report said there were no drugs in her body.
LE BON: Right.
MORGAN: He said she'd been clean of drugs for three years, but had a big problem with alcohol since then. Actually, her body, she was told to try and gradually come off alcohol, and she would do binge drinking and then do two, three weeks of no drinking at all. And she was tiny.
TAYLOR: Exactly.
MORGAN: He believes her body just in the end gave up.
TAYLOR: She got so thin, didn't she?
MORGAN: Yes. And she'd have these seizures. So it may be much more complicated than people think.
But to me there's no doubt that, you know, her spiraling descent into all that began when she got into the hard drugs. And the father accepts that. She got in with this guy, and suddenly it was all heroin and ecstasy and --
TAYLOR: Which we never went down that road.
MORGAN: Did you not?
RHODES: No.
MORGAN: I think it's interesting this parental role, isn't it? I mean, do you enjoy it, or do you feel part of you when you go on tour now think we've got to roll back the years here? I'm getting old here.
LE BON: No. I think you've got to -- I think -- the way I deal with it is I just accept what I am and where I am in my life. And that I have kids, that I love them, I've got a good marriage, and I'm not dangling myself out there as someone who's available. And --
MORGAN: Is that just as well, do you think, chaps? Would there be a massive queue these days, I mean?
Are these old fans of yours who've come with you or do you have a new breed?
RHODES: A mix. Some of them bring their kids. It really is from the Internet as well, I think a lot. People consume music in a different way now. And it's not so much to do with OK, this belongs in this time period.
I mean, when we were kids, right? When we were 17, 18, I mean, we only listened to music that had been made that year or the year before maybe. Right?
Now kids listen to '60s music, '70s music, '80s music.
LE BON: Absolutely.
MORGAN: That's completely true. My 3 sons, they listen to Michael Jackson, or whatever, or Duran Duran. I mean, it's very interesting that their musical tastes are much wider. They don't cop to a trendy, groovy set of music.
(CROSSTALK)
Let's have a little break. When we come back, I want to talk to you about what's keep the band together. Most bands get sick and tired of each other.
You are still talking, you appear to be reasonably friend to each other. No one has hit anyone yet. I want to found out how and why.
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MORGAN: Of course, the "Immortal" video from Duran Duran's "Ordinary World."
One thing your world hasn't been, chance is ordinary.
(CROSSTALK)
Exactly. How have you stayed good mates? Because I know you are good mates? How have you managed to avoid the rock 'n' roll cliche of artistic differences? We're never speaking again?
LE BON: I think being a band goes beyond friendship, actually. There's times when you're together because you're in a band. And there are times when you could fall out with each other. But there's -- but I think underneath that, there's a real -- there's an underlying affection that we've got. We care about each other. And whenever there's a difficult time, it -- kind of that fades away and that care comes through underneath. We all like the same things. We love music. I think our relationship is very much based on that as well, the fact that we do.
TAYLOR: I mean, this summer, actually, going through this business with Simon's voice, it actually brought us closer together. It was one of those situations where we could have been like -- you know, it could have been an opportunity to splint and it drew us together.
MORGAN: Well, what are the ambitions now? Do you have a genuine ambition, or is it to keep going?
LE BON: I think the keeping going and to create a body of work is one of the big ambitions. It is for me.
RHODES: We always like to challenge ourselves. I mean, doing the sound with Mark Ronson, we didn't know what we were really going to get. But I think, we could all look each other in the eye and say it is the best Duran Duran album we have made in more than a decade.
And if you can do that when you're three decades in, that keeps it pretty exciting. We made a film with David Lynch. That was great. We had all been fans since we were kids.
MORGAN: The odd thing to me about you three is that you two are on Twitter. I know this because I read your tweets, and we're all fairly avid, you are not.
RHODES: Don't you read my tweets.
MORGAN: Is that what it is? Is it more of a primitive, because I would imagine you would be the first in that kind of stuff?
RHODES: I like the idea of it, but I think, one, it is very time consuming. These two are at it all the time. But I also -- I'm sure I'll get sucked in eventually. Just haven't gone there yet.
MORGAN: Here is a question for all of you.
What was the single greatest gig you've ever played? Would you be in agreement you think?
TAYLOR: Well, you know, Coachella was great.
LE BON: Yes.
TAYLOR: I mean, that was really up there.
MORGAN: You were third on. The sun was just beginning to set, right? I mean, that is a moment to play Coachella, isn't it?
Was it the best ever?
TAYLOR: I think to that point -- MORGAN: Even at the height of the mania?
RHODES: You can't just pick one. Madison Square Gardens is always great. When we play in London, it is always great. But then sometimes you will play in a city, Kansas City or something, and maybe your expectations aren't the same as New York or L.A., and it will be the best show of the tour.
TAYLLOR: That's something you learn. You learn you can have an amazing show in front of a couple hundred people and you can have a really crap show in front of 20,000.
(CROSSTALK)
MORGAN: And the most outrageous party? In Duran Duran history?
RHODES: Well, the Warren Cuccurullo. The one with Cuccurullo years.
LE BON: I was going to say Nick's wedding wasn't bad.
TAYLOR: My god, yes.
MORGAN: When was that?
RHODES: Pink Flamingos.
MORGAN: Pink Flamingo?
TAYLOR: The groom wore more makeup than the bride.
RHODES: A lot of pink. It was a lot of pink.
It's hard for us to get away from pink, though. You look at our album cover, it's still half-pink.
MORGAN: How many of you still wear makeup? You clearly, have a little bit on. I mean, you do for this show, but do you normally?
RHODES: It's a tattoo.
MORGAN: When you're going out, do you still get the old gear on?
RHODES: If I feel like it, you never know.
Rubber suit. a bit of makeup.
MORGAN: Simon, do you?
LE BON: If I feel I need it, yes.
MORGAN: Let's form a very quick dream group to round off this interview.
LE BON: OK.
MORGAN: All-time dream group that you're in it. Who would you bring in as additional singers or guitarist --
TAYLOR: James Jameson and Benny Benjamin, bass and drums.
MORGAN: Yes. Who is the best other singer you have ever seen live?
LE BON: Well, I love --
RHODES: Prince.
MORGAN: Prince is pretty amazing.
LE BON: Yes. I would love Patty Smith on backing vocals, but she would upstage me.
MORGAN: A pretty good group.
Gentlemen, it's been brilliant rolling backed years with you. Good luck with the album, "All You need is Now." A template for Duran Duran, I think. It's all about now, isn't it?
LE BON: Absolutely.
MORGAN: Thank you all very much.
RHODES: Thank you.
MORGAN: That is it for us tonight. "AC 360" starts right now.
