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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Vow to Endure Cold Weather; Suicide Bombers Strike In Kabul; Darrell Hammond Talks About Abuse, His Mental Instability and More; Can Occupy Wall Street Withstand Winter; Herman Cain Interrupted by Ron Paul Supporters; Conrad Attorneys Present Defense Argument; Mississippi Amendment Makes Fertilized Human a Legal Human Being

Aired October 29, 2011 - 17:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon. Thank you for joining us here in the CNN NEWSROOM.

We're going to begin with this and keep in mind, it was October. But heavy snowfall, power outages, near freezing temperatures. They sound like the headlines from the dead of winter. But those are the headlines today right now. Across the mid-Atlantic states and into the northeast, the winter-like blast is causing all kinds of problems. Major airline delays in New York City, in Newark, also in Philadelphia. Look at these pictures. Snow piling up on trees that still have plenty of leaves, knocking out power to thousands of people.

And, of course, CNN reporters are out in force. Our Chad Myers is in York, Pennsylvania, I should say, where some of the heaviest snow is coming down. Susan Candiotti in New York City where weather threatens the Occupy Wall Street protesters and our meteorologist, Jacqui Jeras, is standing buy in the CNN severe weather center, we can get to Jacqui in just a moment.

But first, let's get to CNN's Chad Myers. Chad, it looks like winter has already arrived in Eastern Pennsylvania and it did it early.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It really surprised to a lot of people. And it even surprised me because on Wednesday, this really wasn't forecast to be a one-foot snow event. Two to four. And then it surprised me today when I flew into Harrisburg and I went to the rental car counter and I say, you know, "I need a four-wheel drive." And he said, "why?" I said, "because there's going to be a foot of snow here." And he said, "No, it's going to be two to four." So, the word didn't get out on Friday when the -- changed. And so, now we're in this position here where snow is coming down. Down here in -- here, a couple of trees on some lines. I don't think that they're power lines, more like cable lines or telephone wires.

But now that it's getting dark, starting to get dark, things are starting to get colder. This coldness now will begin to freeze all this muck that on the side of the roadway. There's just stuff on the side and there's no cars coming, that's why I can do this. This stuff here, it's just hard -- it's got salt and grime and stuff in it. That's I'm going to freeze and this road is going to become one big ice chunk, Don. And right now, we're seeing accidents all across the roads, all across the highways here in New York County, all the way up even into Harrisburg. And the power line people are saying, as soon as we put our power line back, another one comes down. Another one branch falls because now, with eight inches of snow here, things are beginning to sag more and more and more. And in the darkness, people will be without power, and in some spots, of course, without power, that means without heat.

LEMON: Chad, I'm kind of like you out there, you're doing a great job. Of course, you're here in the studio with me just yesterday, we worked here and I turned to you and I said, Chad, maybe as much as 18 inches in some places and you said possibly it's going to be a lot of it? And you certainly found it. Show us around where you are a little bit more if you will.

MYERS: Sure. Just go back. Turn around this way. Down here. This will be highway U.S. 30. Along parts of U.S. 30, completely shut down with wires on the ground. We are in Eastern York. If you go to the east on 30, you go to Lancaster, you go to the west, you actually going to downtown York surround the eastern side of York, I drove down the turnpike today, and as I stopped at the turnpike booth, and gave the my $10 fare, I said, "man, this is ugly." He goes, "at least you're on the road." And I'm like, what does that mean, at you're on the road? He goes, "half the people on the scanner are in the ditch, so be careful." And literally, it was a white-knuckled 35-mile-per- hour drive on the turnpike and on I-83 about four hours ago. It hasn't stopped snowing since. I can imagine what those roadways look like now. I know they're not good now.

LEMON: And we're looking at the live radar where you are in York, Pennsylvania. And yes, it doesn't look good as well. Chad Myers, thank you very much. Stick around. We're going to get back to Chad Myers because again, this is a developing story. You know, some people have to spend the night out in the snow and the day as well but they did it voluntarily. They wanted to be there. The cold, wet weather testing the resolve of Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York.

And that's where we find our Susan Candiotti standing by. Susan, what are they telling you about this? Are they letting it stop them?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, no way. No way. These people are here for the long term. That's what they're telling us. Don, it's ugly. There is no other way to describe it. I mean, we've got slush as you can see on the street here and these tents are barely holding on, trying to tack them down as best as they can. There's a guy down there with a broom trying to sweep away the slush on the street. And you can see just above it a little bit, there's some plywood there and some other, it looks like -- I don't know if they're going to try to build additional protection if they can.

But, remember, it was only yesterday when the Fire Department on the orders by the mayor said, we're going to pull out all of the generators that you have in here, all the propane tanks for heat because they've reached, in their words, an unsafe level. Those have been there for very long time. Despite that and despite these ugly conditions, these protesters say they are here to stay. I walked through the park today. You can see all the tents. We're used to see a lot more people walking around. And I talked with one of the people who have been spending a long time here, more than almost three weeks. And he says he's not leaving.

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CANDIOTTI: What was it like all night?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It was freezing cold all night, terrible.

CANDIOTTI: How did you manage to stay warm?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Just had to kind of huddle together and try to keep our body heat together and stay warm that way.

CANDIOTTI: I mean, the obvious question is, how can you bear this?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I don't know. It's just for the cause, I suppose.

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CANDIOTTI: And amidst all of this, they also have issues with, of course, the effects of the cold weather. Some people are getting sick. The medical unit volunteers here, one of the many working group, said that they treated a handful of people overnight as well as today. And you know, Don, they say it's 34 degrees now. Kind of feels like with the wind 23 degrees. And it's going to obviously get much colder tonight.

LEMON: They can always go inside if they'd like to. Thank you very much, Susan Candiotti, in New York City. We appreciate it.

Let's get to our meteorologist in-house, Jacqui Jeras in the CNN Severe Weather Center. So, Jacqui, we saw the snow still falling where Chad is, and you saw very wet in New York City. Where is it heading now?

JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, it's moving northeast. So, it's going to continue to affect these areas tonight. The storm is intensifying. So the winds are going to be picking up. And our snowfall rates are going to be increasing, especially in the interior here. And you get up into those higher elevations, and that's where the worst of the snowfall totals have been and will continue to be. The coastal areas still just getting rain right now. But winds could be gusting as much as 50 or 60 miles per hour. And as for the snowfall with those kinds of winds, there is still a lot of leaves on the trees. So all of that snow collects on that surface, that adds to the weight to bend down those big tree branches and also brings down power lines.

And that's why we have tens of thousands of people without power in Connecticut, in New York, as well as into Maryland and Pennsylvania. So, thousands of people suffering with this. And it's certainly going to be getting worse. We've got a live picture to show you out of New Haven, Connecticut, where the storm continues to come down. A few of you folks could be seen upwards of five to 10 inches. Isolated amounts are going to be a little bit heavier than that. And you know, really, the I-95 corridor, that's kind of the key with this storm and how things are lining up. If you're west of there, your snowfall is going to be heavier. If you're east of there, it's going to be much lesser, if not all rainfall.

So, the big cities only get in on a couple of inches. And that is why, but if we get some of this what we call thunder snow, as that storm really ramps up tonight, we could see lightning and hear thunder as a result of it. And that could bring down two inches in a short period of time and skew those numbers a little bit. So, keep that in mind. Otherwise, Poughkeepsie extending over towards Springfield, Massachusetts, you folks are going to see some of the heaviest snowfall. All this moisture coming in from the Atlantic, whipping around, interacting with that cold air. The storm, look at this is really out of here by 7:00 tomorrow morning. You'll still be seeing some snow in Boston. But say by 10:00, it's going to be done and then it pulls all the way out of New England. By this time tomorrow, everybody's done with it. Eight-and-a-half inches already in Springtown, Pennsylvania. Seven inches there and Markleysburg, Central Park, 1.3 inches so far.

Snow still coming down. And that's a record for you. And just to put it in perspective on how rare this thing is, Don, New York City, your average for snowfall, December 18th. We've only had snow three other times before in the month of October. The last time we've had it was 1952. Take a look at Boston, so it snowed four times in October. Before in Philadelphia, you've had two inches, you could get as much as four. Last note on this storm is that it's just causing major problems at the airports. Teterboro is closed. The time in this has been extended even longer. We're not sure when that's going to open anymore. Ground Stop in Newark which means nobody can leave from other places to get into Newark. And then JFK, looking at five hours, two-and-a-half in Philadelphia. We had five hours earlier in LaGuardia by the way too, Don. That's gone away but I can imagine that we've probably seeing some delays and cancellations on top of that is not going to get better.

LEMON: I was just looking over your shoulder there, as you were finishing up, the producer was telling me that Richard Roth is stuck on the tarmac at Newark.

JERAS: Yes. Well, right now, Newark is the Ground Stop. So, I'm not sure what that means exactly for him trying to get out of there. But yes, there were major delays. He said he was on the plane for three hours. I know he's still there. So, no fun.

LEMON: Ground Stop means not moving.

JERAS: Not moving.

LEMON: It's going to be there for a while. All right. Thank you very much. And a lot of people are watching us in the airports. Stay tuned. We'll keep you updated here on CNN.

Meantime, other news to tell you about. A developing story this hour out of Afghanistan. A suicide bomber takes aim at a military convoy. And there are believed to be American casualties there. The latest in Kabul in just two minutes.

And in ten minutes, this little boy wants to be a Girl Scout and the Girl Scout organization is weighing in. So are his parents and a human behavior expert will do it as well right here on CNN, too.

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LEMON: "We're not going to let these guys win." Defiant words from the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan after a bloody attack by the Taliban in the capital of Kabul killed 17 people. Early reports to just most of the casualties are Americans. The strike was one of three across the country may all demonstrates that our troops remain vulnerable despite battlefield games over the past year.

CNN's Nick Paton Walsh has more.

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A suicide from a driving vehicle relating with explosives run into a NATO convoy and hit near Central Kabul detonating this device, hitting an armored bus known as a rhino. Now, ISAF have to clarify exactly the casualties in this. There are eight ISAF civilian personnel and five military. There nationalities are not clear. A U.S. official saying, all 13 of them, Americans but are now -- one of them according to Canadian military was a Canadian soldier. So, really this fluid situation perhaps testament to the sheer scale of the blast here, an enormous amount of explosive required to penetrate the armor of these huge rhino buses used to ferry NATO personnel between hostile areas.

This actually one of a number of instances during the day. Another blast, a suicide bomber, age 25, we understand, from Afghan officials there, detonating a device hidden under her burka outside the headquarters of the Afghan intelligence service in the province of Kunar. And another incident this morning in the south near Kandahar in the area known as Nesh in which a man who was wearing an Afghan army uniform turned his weapon onto ISAF personnel killing them, an Afghan army commander in the area telling us both the ISAF dead were Australian, something ISAF won't confirm at this stage.

But really, this escalating violence on the terrible toll of the attack in this center of Kabul here, making many concerned we could be seeing escalating violence in the weeks ahead, vital weeks for the political process here, important conferences abroad and here as NATO. And the Afghan government try and fray the narrative for piece for the partial withdrawal of American troops, for the handover of much Afghan territories to Afghan Security Forces and hopefully to find some kind of way of putting the insurgency further on their back foot. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kabul.

LEMON: All right, Nick. As deadly as this month has been for our troops, it still trails far behind August. Seventy one American troops were killed that month. It was the deadliest for U.S. forces in Afghanistan since the campaign began. Thirty of those casualties came when a rocket-propelled grenade took down a Chinook helicopter in Wardak Province, 17 of those victims were Navy SEALs. In Syria, at least 17 people died today in fighting across the country, this was the western city of Homs as it came under attack from Syrian tanks, an opposition group says, at least ten people were killed following a mass of anti-government protests on Friday in the city of Hama. Opposition forces say, 35 civilians lost their lives in incidents nationwide.

Coming up on CNN, why the girl scouts rejected this child, long hair, loves dolls, but Bobby is a boy. A psychologist weighs in.

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LEMON: Remember Darrell Hammond? Maybe you remember his name. When you see his face, you'll recognize him. He was once part of "Saturday Night Live" and you know him for his spot-on impressions of Bill Clinton. Here he is.

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DARRELL HAMMOND, COMEDIAN: Your next leader will show up where he's supposed to show up, say what he's supposed to say and conduct himself with decorum at all times, thus restoring dignity to the Oval Office. You're going to miss me, aren't you? Admit it. Admit it.

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LEMON: I had to say, he does the best Bill Clinton impersonation. So watching his talent has made you laugh. The secret that came out this week, though, hearing about his childhood will make you cry.

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HAMMOND: When I was a child, I was a victim of systematic and lengthy and brutality, I mean, stabbing, beating, being electrocuted, stuff like that.

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LEMON: So, joining me now is Dr. Alduan Tartt he's a psychologist. So, Dr. Tartt, I want you to listen to a little bit more of the Darrell Hammond interview on CNN.com and then we'll talk.

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HAMMOND: With me, I was on as many as seven medications at one time. I mean, these doctors really didn't know what to do with me. There was a cutting-backstage. I was once taken to a psych ward. The week that I did the Gore debates, I believe I was taken away in a straight jacket. And there's no way people would know about that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: All right. So cutting, multiple medications and doing it all while he is performing before millions of people. He talked about being abused as a child. That, you believe, in your summation, led to this sort of behavior as an adult?

DR. ALDUAN TARTT, PSYCHOLOGIST: It's very possible. There are millions of Americans walking around with sexual abuse, physical abuse. And it's not necessarily the bite that hurts is the venom that stays in you and how you think about yourself as being a victim of child abuse, why would someone do this to me? I'm not worthy, I'm not loved. And so, you actually start on a journey of self-destruction behavior that can last a lifetime.

LEMON: Yes. The more I hear about his story, I've been listening to a number of interviews this week. And it's just really sad and depressing to think about his childhood, what he says his mother did to him and all these things in his book. And we're going to hear much more about his interview tonight at 10:00 here on CNN. We're going to talk to other people about this. But what I want to say about him is, is it something in a person's DNA? What is in a person's DNA or their makeup that allows some people to move beyond and other people to have these sorts of behaviors?

TARTT: Well, it's how you think about what happens, it's the reaction to it. Whether you feel that you're to blame or the fault, that's the key. If you believe this happens to me but it wasn't my fault, you're able to move forward. Because as he talked about it and you say it later on tonight, is that he's able to forgive his mom for what happened and forgive his dad and therefore he can have forgiveness so it doesn't follow up. But most people are not able to move forward. They still stay stuck, 20 years later after what happened to them and then I have moved forward.

LEMON: There's still the debris. They're still there. Even though you may be moving beyond and you've forgiven people, you still have the debris, it's still inside of you. Much, much more tonight. We're going to hear more of that interview. So, thank you for coming in on that.

Let's move on to another disorder here. This one is called drunkorexia. University of Missouri Research has finding teens and college girl save their calories for drinking, getting drunk forcing them to throw up and stay thin, really?

TARTT: Thin at all costs. When you think about it, it's a combination of an eating disorder with staying thin at all costs. So, if I'm going to the party, I don't want to drink anymore, Don, because it's going to make me look fat and bloated, so if I just don't eat for two days...

LEMON: That's what alcohol does anyway.

TARTT: But they don't want to be fat. It's really a body image disorder. So, if they think beforehand, OK, I want to drink, I want to have fun, but I don't want to look fat. So, I'm just not going to eat.

LEMON: OK. All right. Let's move on. This story I want to talk about a lot here because I think it has garnered lots of attention, lots of talk here. Another story for parents, but for much younger kids here. A boy in Colorado wants to be a Girl Scout and was initially turned away. The mother of Bobby Montoya says, her son likes dolls and girls' clothes and wanted to join the girl scouts after seeing his sister in it. So, here's more from Bobby's mother. Listen.

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FELISHA ARCHULETA, MOTHER OF BOBBY MONTOYA: I said, what's the big deal? She says, it doesn't matter how he looks. He has boy parts, he can't be a Girl Scout. Girl Scouts don't allow that. I don't want to be in trouble by parent or my supervisor.

BOBBY MONTOYA, BOY REJECTED BY BOY SCOUTS: It was like somebody told me I can't like girl stuff.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: All right. So is it damaging for the boy that he was turned away? Is it damaging that his mother allows him to do this?

TARTT: Absolutely.

LEMON: Is it damaging that his mom allows him or is it damaging that he was turned away?

TARTT: First of all, he should not have been allowed interest into the Girl Scouts. It's for girls. It's not for boys that want to be girls.

LEMON: Right.

TARTT: It's damaging for his mom to allow him to express at level at this young an age. Because he doesn't really know who he is. Think about it. He's not going to be accepted by boys and he's not going to be accepted by girls. So there are a number of kids now that grow up and they want to do things that girls do or boys want to do things that girls do. But the problem is, they're not old enough to really say that's who they are and identify that way.

LEMON: You know what's interesting, I just had this conversation in Arkansas -- I did a speaking engagement there. And we talked about this exact thing. I think that little boy wanted to be a princess or something for Halloween. And most of the women in the room said, yes, allow him. And most of the men said, they're too young, until he gets older and he can express himself, you know, maybe when he's in high school or in college, it's fine. But at his certain age, a parent has to be a parent. Why would dad think differently?

TARTT: Well, you know, it's that -- thing. But it's a slippery slope...

LEMON: It's not just -- because there were even gay men in the class who were saying, no, don't let him do it.

TARTT: Right. I mean, because you know how society is going to respond. LEMON: Yes.

TARTT: And that's the thing he's not prepared for. So, OK, he wants to go school. He's already talking about being teased, being bullied, not being accepted. Wait until he's older until he's really sure, this is what I want to be and then we can deal with. Because the kid is going to be what he needs to be. But at this age, he really is setting himself up for a lot of rejection. And that's the part, she can't go to school with him.

LEMON: That was the consensus from most of the guys. Thank you, Doctor Tartt.

TARTT: You're welcome.

LEMON: I appreciate your insight here.

You know, the Girl Scouts of Colorado told our affiliate KUSA that a child who lives life as a girl is welcome to join and is now working to educate the associate who rejected Bobby. But at this point, it is still not clear if the girl scouts are letting Bobby join.

LEMON: You know, they have occupied a New York park for weeks now. But where is the Occupy movement headed? What's the end game? That's next. And there's this.

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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: With all due respect, I'm going to give this speech today, thank you very much.

(CHEERS)

LEMON: All right. What did Herman Cain say today that led to those boos? We'll tell you.

But first, job counselors say following your passion may not be the best career advice in a down economy. But in this week's "Smart is the New Rich," Christine Romans introduces us to a man who did just that. He left a job with the NBA to coach kids.

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's not the NBA but it's a job and it turns out, David Brown loves it.

DAVID BROWN, DIRECTOR/HEAD COACH, BASKETBALL STARS OF NEW YORK: I have a great passion for working with kids. I have a great passion for the sport of basketball.

ROMANS: Brown, a former Division One college basketball player, runs basketball stars of New York. Camps for kids. He launched the business this spring after leaving a job with the NBA.

BROWN: Freeze, freeze, freeze. ROMANS: Brown says, he's fortunate. He's still working in basketball given the league lockout and prospects for 400 more job losses. Career coaches say pursuing a passion in a job market with 9.1 percent unemployment, it's a big gamble.

BRAD KARSH, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, JOBBOUND: I love passion. I think it's great. And you never want to take a job that you're going to despise or hate or not be pleased with. But I think especially for people coming out of school, there's this almost romantic view of jobs, meaning like, I want a job that I'm going to love every day. And the fact of the matter is, there's probably not many jobs that anybody loves every single day.

ROMANS: After graduated from college, Brown coached at the high school level into a two non-division one universities. He loved to work but the pay was tight.

BROWN: I haven't had the chance to really earn a real paycheck to, you know, sustain living. So, I had to go out for another opportunity and what my mother would call a real job.

ROMANS: Brown got a job with the New Jersey Nets, selling ticket plans for games. He eventually was promoted to the team's marketing division. But after two years on the job, he felt he ran out of room to grow. He and the team parted ways in the spring. But Brown took what he learned and applied it to a new career, coaching kids.

BROWN: It's very important that you take stock of your current situation, you understand what your opportunities are and the areas that you're familiar with. But then stay active and also look at areas where you can transfer your skills, areas and industries where you can see growth.

ROMANS: For now, he's happy to be working with kids again and having the opportunity to grow his business and pursue his passion for coaching.

BROWN: Do what you love. If you do what you love, it's not going to be work, you're going to be successful.

ROMANS: Christine Romans, CNN, New York.

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LEMON: They have withstood political criticism and weeks of living outdoors. But can the Occupy Wall Street crowd endure snow and winter-like temperatures? That's the scene you're looking at live this hour in New York's Zuccotti Park where protesters are gearing up for what is going to be a Cold, wet evening.

Joining me now to talk about where the movement is headed is Dorian Warren. He's a professor of political science at Columbia University.

Professor, thank you for joining us. Could the bad weather end up doing what police and city officials couldn't, force the occupy protesters to go home?

DORIAN WARREN, PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: I don't think so. I think as we've seen from the footage earlier today, I think they're pretty committed to staying out there through the snow, through the cold weather, with or without generators. I think they're out there to stay, not only in Zuccotti Park but in other cities across the country.

LEMON: Yes, they just took their generators away. We've seen several cities crack down on these protesters. Oakland, California, being among the most dramatic. Any signs the movement is weakening or fading? Do you think it's still growing?

WARREN: I think it's growing because people are becoming more upset with the response of the police, for instance, to the protesters. So I think the Oakland incident has galvanized people even more so than it would have if there wasn't tear gas and other perceived forms of brutality against the protesters.

LEMON: Again, we talk about the weather and what impact that will have on the movement as the weather starts to get bad all across the country, meaning colder and probably a lot of snow, a lot of inclement weather.

We're looking at live pictures. There's the radar. We saw our Chad Myers, who is out there in York, Pennsylvania. Susan Candiotti in New York. It looks bad. York got tons of snow. New York only got about 1.5, but still, when you're outside and you don't have generators, it makes you cold. But as I said, they can always go home, but they are choosing to do this. So we should be concerned about it because if it gets really bad, their lives could be at risk.

WARREN: Yes.

LEMON: A lot of people compare this movement, Professor, to the protests of the 1960s. Do you think that's an accurate comparison?

WARREN: I don't. I actually think the more accurate comparison is of the 1890s and the 1930s populace movements. Those movements have three key features that I think the Occupy Wall Street movement has. The first was a focus on the common man or the common woman against the tiny elite. So the "we are the 99 percent" mean -- actually corresponds to that historic function of populism of saying, "we are the common people against the elite."

The second element of populism has to do with the demands that people make. In this case, the protesters are pointing attention to Wall Street and saying, economic inequality has grown too much and the political system is broken.

So the third element then is to restore democracy, to restore some balance in the political system so that the rules aren't rigged against those common people that are working hard every day and just trying to get by.

LEMON: Here's my question. And people say, oh, well, it doesn't have a really concise message, what's the message, what do they really want? I think, at the end -- what you just said, in the end, that's what they want.

But here's a question. At some point, even the Tea Party, for a recent comparison, had to take their movement into the political system in order to evoke some change, right? In order to make some change, you have to do it through legislation and through government.

WARREN: Yes.

LEMON: So how much of an impact can they have just by sitting in parks all over the country? At some point, don't you have to have legislation, make changes in laws, those sorts of things, so that the behavior that they believe is happening doesn't happen anymore?

WARREN: Absolutely. But let's -- remember -- actually, a good example is the civil rights movement. The Montgomery bus boycott began 1955. Five years later, in 1960, student sit-ins in lunch counters; 1961, freedom rides. The big gains didn't come until the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1964 Voting Rights Act. That was almost a decade after one of the key moments that started the movement for the civil rights movement. We're only five weeks into Occupy Wall Street. I think we need to wait a little bit longer to see how this movement will evolve and grow, not only in this country but, it seems like, around the world.

LEMON: I think that you're right. But to think that it's going to take a decade in this day and time, with how quickly information gets by, I don't think it should take that long. But I think you're right. We can wait a little bit. But we'll see.

Professor, appreciate you joining us.

WARREN: Thanks. Thanks for having me, Don.

LEMON: It is time now to talk presidential politics. A lot of Republican hopefuls are on the road this weekend. Herman Cain is making a swing through Alabama. He talked about foreign policy and the economy and got into a little back and forth with some Ron Paul supporters in Tuscaloosa. Here it is.

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HERMAN CAIN, (R), FORMER GODFATHER'S PIZZA CEO & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In a Cain administration, we won't have any foggy foreign policy positions. It will be clear. Our economy is on life support. And the reason that this economy is on life support --

(APPLAUSE)

CAIN: With all due respect, I'm going to give this speech today, thank you very much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(APPLAUSE) (BOOING)

LEMON: While Ron Paul supporters stirred up things in Alabama, Ron Paul himself was in Iowa to address a federation of Republican assemblies. Paul won both the Iowa voters' only count at the Saturday convention in Des Moines, as well as a tally of non-Iowans who participated in the vote. In the Iowa voters' result Paul took 82 percent of the vote.

There's also a lot of contention at the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor this week. Conrad Murray's attorneys have begun presenting the defense's side as they try to keep him out of prison. We're talking legal matters in less than three minutes.

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LEMON: Dramatic testimony at Conrad Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial this week as the defense began laying out its case. Taking the stand, several medical experts and five character witnesses, including Ruby Mosley. She is a former patient of Murray's who told the court that Michael Jackson's former doctor was not motivated by money.

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ED CHERNOFF, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Do you think Dr. Murray's greedy?

RUBY MOSLEY, CONRAD MURRAY'S FORMER PATIENT & WITNESS: Do I think?

CHERNOFF: Yes, ma'am.

MOSLEY: No.

CHERNOFF: Do you have an opinion about whether he is?

MOSLEY: If this man had been greedy -- excuse me, Judge. If this man had been greedy, he never would have come to an area of community of Acreage Home, 75 percent of them poor, on welfare and Social Security.

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LEMON: She's definitely one of the most animated of witnesses that we've seen in this trial.

Holly Hughes is here, a criminal defense attorney.

Holly, were Ms. Mosley and other character witnesses, their testimony, was it a big boost for the defense?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY & FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know what I think it did mostly, was humanized Dr. Murray. He's been sitting there very stoic. But a lot of people interpret that as disinterest. He doesn't even care what's happening --

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LEMON: First time he smiled when those -- yes. HUGHES: Exactly.

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LEMON: That's OK. That's OK. That's where I was going. We got there. But that's the most important thing. It humanized him and it makes him possibly likeable to this jury. So far, we haven't seen anything in this trial that makes us want to root for Dr. Murray.

LEMON: OK, let's talk about -- well, I don't know. Maybe this next thing that I'm going to play, maybe that helped. I'm talking about Dr. Paul White, an anesthesiologist, and one of the most respected experts on Propofol, came through big for the defense. At least most people are saying that, saying that Jackson must have injected the lethal dose of Propofol himself. Here he is.

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DR. PAUL WHITE, ANESTHESIOLOGIST: I cannot understand how it's possible that he got a three-hour infusion when the evidence didn't show the infusion set up.

UNIDENTIFIED ATTORNEY: So you think it was the self-injection of Propofol near the hour of between 11:30 and 12:00 that did it?

WHITE: In my opinion, yes.

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LEMON: So, Holly, this guy is believed to be the expert in the country on Propofol and he said -- he's basically agreeing with the defense but he's a defense witness.

HUGHES: Absolutely. He's being paid to agree with the defense, Don. But here's the problem, even if you took everything he said as true, it doesn't help the defense convince this jury that Conrad Murray is not guilty, and here's why. Because even if Dr. Murray let Michael Jackson be on a three-hour drip and walked out of the room and did not monitor him, he is still incredibly careless. And this is a standard of care charge. This doesn't say he injected him and poisoned him and killed him with Propofol. This just says that he administered care so poorly. So the problem is, even if you believe that Michael Jackson injected it himself, Dr. Conrad Murray, not being there to monitor and not being there to revive him with resuscitative equipment when he did stop breathing --

LEMON: You know what it sounds like, because the cross-examination is on Monday --

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You're a former prosecutor. It sounds like that's what they're going to say when they do the cross on Monday.

HUGHES: Absolutely, they have to go there. LEMON: OK. OK. Cross on Monday, and it's believed, I think, the closing arguments are going to come Tuesday. But it's gone a little bit longer. At first, we thought it was going to end. But it's gone a little bit longer.

Let's move on here and talk about another case. This one is out of Mississippi. On November 8th, voters will vote on an amendment that declares a fertilized human to be a legal person. It's a so-called Personhood Amendment. People worry that this takes away women's rights for their own body.

HUGHES: Well, sure. It absolutely invades women's reproductive rights. The problem is, even if Mississippi passes it, it will not withstand constitutional muster. Even if it's -- it's going to be challenged. It's going all the way to the Supreme Court. Do you remember the little case called Roe versus Wade? Back in the '70s, when the Supreme Court of the United States said that women have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. It's just like somebody coming along and saying, if you break your leg, you're not along to get it casted. I'm going to tell you what medical care you can and can't have.

LEMON: So what does this say -- I mean, women who have abortions, would that make them -- would it be prosecutable? What's -- what's at stake?

HUGHES: Well, what would happen, it wouldn't be a murder charge, per se, because you have to look at what's charged in a murder charge. A murder charge says that you kill a human being. The state can't come along, all of a sudden, say, we think an egg is a human being. You can't legislate that kind of thing. It wouldn't be prosecutable under a criminal statute. But it probably would be like a regulatory or administrative violation. And they'd be charged with something less than a murder charge.

LEMON: All right, Holly Hughes, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

HUGHES: Thanks, Don.

LEMON: I want to say this as we go. The opposition to this amendment, as we mentioned, coming from all corners, critics who say it is a dangerous violation of women's reproductive rights.

So, again, our thanks to Holly Hughes. We appreciate that.

After a quick break right here on CNN, two months after this tragedy at the Indiana State Fair, a country music band makes up on a good promise to perform.

And you don't see this every day, a high-speed chase where a car being chased is a police car and it's driven by a cop.

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(SINGING) LEMON: It was more than just another concert. Last night, Sugarland returned to Indiana for their first show since the deadly stage collapse at the state fair in August.

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LEMON: The country group was set to perform before ferocious winds caused the stage to fall, killing seven people and injuring dozens more. Fans say the free concert last night was healing.

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MARIA ABCELNOUR, CONCERT GUEST: I feel like we're almost completing something we started in August. And it's kind of coming full circle. And I'm glad we get to finally carry it out tonight.

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LEMON: The band performed in front of a capacity crowd, around 18,000. And money donated benefited the Indiana State Fair Remembrance Fund.

So who wins in a race between a police officer and a state trooper? Well, it isn't exactly a race. But on October 11th, this speeding Miami police officer refused to pull over for a Florida trooper, leading her on a chase in excess of -- get this -- 120 miles per hour. The officer's excuse, when he was finally pulled over at gunpoint, he was late for a second job. Nice. Score this win for the Florida Highway Patrol officer though.

Sometimes there is a clear line between good guy and bad guy. Check out this high-speed police chase in Texas. It lasted about 20 minutes. We're talking speeds of more than 125 miles per hour. The suspect is accused of robbing a gas station with a rifle then speeding off. Cops caught up with the man and they arrested him.

An overweight teenager, determined to transform her body, accomplishes that goal beyond her wildest imaginations. Her inspirational story, two minutes away.

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LEMON: Halloween just two days away. That means kids around the country are getting ready to eat a whole lot of candy, adults as well probably. A real problem for kids who struggle with their weight. In this week's "Human Factor," CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta introduces us to someone who overcame childhood obesity and turned herself into a beauty queen.

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LEMON: All right, Sanjay, thank you very much. Big banks reconsider their policies on a controversial fee. Why that's good news for many of you who use debt cards?

And the Coast Guard captures a huge amount of cocaine off the high seas. Try seven tons. Wait until you hear the street value.

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LEMON: Let's check the headlines right now.

A cold, wet snow falling across the northeast knocking out power and snarling traffic across the region. There won't be much accumulation overnight in New York and Boston. But people in higher elevations and to the west of the I-95 corridor could see up to a foot of snow. Airports in New York, Philadelphia, Newark, delays right now.

Richard Roth has been stuck on a plane for quite a while due to that weather.

Richard, there is still a ground stoppage. I think you can inform us. Where are you? Where are you going? And you haven't moved yet, right?

RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR U.N. CORRESPONDENT: Nearly seven hours ago, Don, I boarded a plane in Syracuse, New York headed for JFK. We were then diverted and we've been on the ground now for about 3.5 hours, trapped. I spoke with Fredricka three hours ago and we're still on the same plane. 100 passengers on this JetBlue flight. The pilots are working the phones. It's really sad to have to watch this. That's all they can do. And Signature Air, a private air company, either refusing or not able to provide a ramp to take these passengers off. There have to be dozens of other planes stuck like this. We're here in the dark now and -- at Bridley (ph) International Airport and the pilot just came on. There's no hope at the moment in sight, despite earlier promises that they would do whatever they can. They said they're trying to find buses, ramps. Still nothing happening.

LEMON: Richard Roth, good luck. So sorry. But keep us updated.

All right, talk about sailing high seas. Check out this video of the U.S. Coast Guard unloading seven tons, seven tons, that's 15,000 pounds, of cocaine that was seized off of a submersible aircraft in Central America. That's worth roughly 180 million buck to put it in the bust -- to put that bust in perspective. This is haul alone equals roughly one-third of all land-based drug seizures in the U.S. for an entire year.

All right, good news for some of you. J.P. Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo decided against charging a monthly debit card fee after testing the idea in pilot programs. In September, Bank of America announced its own $5 a month fee but the backlash has now prompted it to also consider changes in the policy.

I'm Don Lemon at the CNN world headquarters in Atlanta. See you back here in one hour.