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Kim, Kris Split; Interview with Ann Coulter

Aired November 01, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Kim Kardashian and hubby Kris Humphries split after 72 days of marriage. So was it a reality stunt or did true love fold under the pressures of fame. Joy will find out from some stars whose own marriages crumbled in the spotlight.

Then Joy`s favorite sparring partner, Ann Coulter is here to weigh in on those Herman Cain sexual harassment reports.

Plus we`ve all heard of sex addiction but tonight you`ll hear about the opposite sexual anorexia. Joy will find out if there`s a cure for bad sex.

That and more starting right now.

JOY BEHAR, HOST: 72 long days after saying "I do", Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries are calling it quits. So was it a real marriage or a reality TV marriage? Joining me now to talk about it are three people who know a thing or two about high profile marriages and divorces. Linda Hogan, author of "Wrestling the Hulk: My life against the ropes", she was married to Hulk Hogan 24 years. Chris Judd, director and choreographer, he was Jennifer Lopez`s second husband. And Countess Luann du Lesseps, co- star of the "Real Housewives of New York City", who got a divorce from her husband of 16 years while on the show.

But first, let me turn to A.J. Hammer, host of HLN`s "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT", for the latest on this hot story. A.J. There`s a lot of backlash against Kim and Kris today. Why are people so upset with them?

A.J. HAMMER, HLN HOST, "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT": Listen, I don`t think the whole thing started out in a meeting -- I hope not, anyway -- with the Kardashians and her mom Kris Jenner, sitting down and saying, "Ok. I have a master plan. Let us do a monumental wedding that we`re going to bring in lots and lots of money. We`ll let it play out for a couple months, not even three months and then you get divorced."

Look, I don`t think that was the plan but I think once the train was rolling down the tracks, there was no way that anybody could pull that emergency brake.

BEHAR: All right. Well, apparently Kim agonized over the decision to file for divorce. What can you tell us about the agony?

HAMMER: Apparently she thought she was going to file and then she decided she wasn`t going to file and she ended up filling. Agony, it was pure agony, I`m sure.

BEHAR: You know, look. You know, you`re very cynical about this, A.J.

HAMMER: No, I`m not. I don`t even --

BEHAR: And it`s shocking to me that you`re so --

HAMMER: No, let me tell you something Joy, hold on a second. A couple weeks of ago, there were all these rumblings that there was trouble in paradise for Kim and Kris. I am the hopeless romantic and I`m also the guy who doesn`t like it when just because a couple is together that people throw the stories out there, "Oh, their marriage is doomed like Demi and Ashton."

I`m the guy who says, "You know what; until we hear from them, I don`t believe it." I was the same way about Kim and Kris. But now I feel like I`ve been duped in a way. I was being defensive of them and now, well, guess what, I was wrong. And maybe, well yes, maybe I am cynical.

BEHAR: Are you just as upset about the fact that Wall Street got bonuses after the bailout?

HAMMER: No. Of course not.

BEHAR: That`s what I`m upset about. Apparently the last straw for Kim was that Kris hired his own publicist over the weekend.

HAMMER: Yes. Yes. Well, you know, look. Kris has to have a publicist. Quite frankly, I won`t blame him if he wants to turn this into something. People know Kris Humphries now in a way that they never knew him before. So he went out, he got himself a publicist. There were rumors that he was going to be doing this big gig in Vegas. He`s not going to be doing that. But the word was that Kim was all ticked off, saying he`s gone all Hollywood. Hello --

BEHAR: Yes.

HAMMER: -- kettle, pot, black. You know, I mean honestly, I didn`t understand that she would even be upset about this. This is an entertainment publicist that he has apparently hired and good for him, you know. He should actually turn this into something for himself and maybe get a little piece of that Kardashian fortune.

BEHAR: You know what; I bet her publicist can beat up his publicist.

HAMMER: No question about it.

BEHAR: Ok. Thank you A.J. Thanks a lot.

HAMMER: You got it Joy.

BEHAR: Now, let me turn to my panel. Chris, you`re actually friends with the Kardashian family, as I understand. So was this true love or just a publicity stunt? What do you think?

CHRIS JUDD, DIRECTOR AND CHOREOGRAPHER: I definitely think that it was true love. I mean I`ve known Kim and the family. I`ve done a TV show with Bruce Jenner, "I`m a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here" years ago and I became friends with the family. And I do know Kim pretty closely and I do believe that she was finding true love in this whole situation.

BEHAR: What do you think, Countess?

COUNTESS LUANN DU LESSEPS, "REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK": True love? I think that true love deserves more than 72 days. What about you? I mean if somebody really loves you, I think that you put more of an effort than 72 days. That`s just too quick to, you know, say you`re married and then all of a sudden, I`m calling it quits.

BEHAR: Is there any case to be made for the possibility that you know it`s not working so why drag it out?

DU LESSEPS: I agree but you know, they apparently since they`ve been married, they haven`t really spent much time together. So to call it quits in 72 days seems a little ridiculous. I think it sets a very bad example, whether they`re reality stars or not.

BEHAR: Yes.

DU LESSEPS: I mean it sets a bad example for the youth that are watching this show, to say, it`s ok just to get married and then divorce three months later. What`s the big deal?

And I think it`s a big deal. Marriage is a big deal to me.

BEHAR: Ok. Linda they made $18 million for the marriage special and $1.5 million for the photos. What is your take on that? Did they do it for the money, do you think or is it true love?

LINDA HOGAN, FORMER WIFE OF HULK HOGAN: Well, Joy, you know, having been in the TV business for a little while reality, I have to tell you after my divorce, dating Charlie, I did have a network come to me and ask if I wanted to do a reality show and if a wedding would be a finale. That`s not something that I would do.

I really believe that this was something that was kind of structured through the network, you know. Of course, they`re going to try to get as much as you`ll give. Where it ends, is that you have edit what you give back to them. If they had sagging ratings, I`m sure that this was probably a huge opportunity for them to cash in and hike the ratings and stuff like that.

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: It did get huge ratings. The show got huge, huge ratings. Go ahead, Linda. I`m sorry.

HOGAN: All I`m saying is what happened to the institution of marriage? I have to defend that, as far as, you know, not making a mockery of this and stuff. This was her second marriage. It wasn`t like she was - - wanted to be a blushing bride.

This was a huge experience. She either had some bad management or somebody giving her some bad overall decisions. I really feel that where is she going to go with this now with all the young girls watching and stuff?

I mean it`s too easy to get a divorce in this country number one, you know.

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: Well, wait a minute. Didn`t she do --

HOGAN: Is this going to be the third time now?

BEHAR: But didn`t she make a sex tape?

DU LESSEPS: She did make a sex tape.

BEHAR: I don`t think she was -- was she worried about what the young girls were going to think then? I don`t think so. Why would she care what the young girls are going to think about now?

DU LESSEPS: I think they spent more time planning the wedding than they did working on their marriage. I mean --

BEHAR: My theory -- and all of you can answer this. The bigger the wedding, the higher the chances of you getting a divorce. Is anybody there on me with this one?

DU LESSEPS: Well, you know, I actually eloped a lot of people don`t know and it lasted for 16 years.

BEHAR: You lasted a long time.

DU LESSEPS: We actually got married after knowing each for three weeks.

BEHAR: And Linda, you lasted how long did I say, 26 years was it?

HOGAN: It was a month before the 25th year.

BEHAR: 25.

HOGAN: Yes. 25 years. I think that when people are spending that much time and effort on the party and the reception of it, I think that it`s just more about the party. They`re not really concerned about actually spending the time on the actual relationship. I think this was very quick. I think that all of a sudden, he blew into the situation and all of a sudden, a wedding was happening.

BEHAR: Yes.

HOGAN: We all kind of felt that this probably would be the case even if she really was thinking that maybe she was in love. It was just too fast.

BEHAR: All right. Chris, you were married to Jennifer Lopez. Did you have a high profile wedding? I don`t really remember.

JUDD: No. Well, they tried to have a high profile wedding. We were very adamant about being private so we didn`t have it televised, we didn`t take any money for -- we didn`t benefit from our marriage at all. We were very adamant about keeping it private and exclusive.

BEHAR: How long did the marriage last with Jennifer?

JUDD: In total, we were married a year and three months. Something like that.

BEHAR: That`s not very long. That`s not very long.

JUDD: It`s not very long. Plus, you have to understand also, too, you have to remember that these are still two people, you know, that are getting married and thinking that the whole dream and the dream wedding is going to be that and be forever.

You know, when Jennifer and I got married, we weren`t under the scrutiny of Twitter and Facebook because it didn`t exist back then. So we didn`t see all of this stuff going on. It is still two people, they`re two human beings that are trying to get married and live forever. Yet everyone in the world gets to see this and you know that adds to extra pressure.

BEHAR: Yes.

JUDD: And also, 72 days is quite fast and, you know, it should be -- they should have given it more of an effort or her or him, rather, and stick it out and see if it works. They went through all these problems to -- they went through all these problems to -- you know --

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: When we come back, I want to talk about -- you know, a little bit about how do these reality shows impact the marriage? All three of you basically, I don`t know about Chris, but you guys have been.

So wait right there everybody. I`ll be right back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Later this week on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, a visit from Kim Kardashian`s mom Kris Jenner.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BEHAR: I`m back with my panel. We`re talking about Kim Kardashian and their own profile -- the high-profile marriages. Luann, You were married 16 years, right?

COUNTESS LUANN DE LESSEPS: Yes.

BEHAR: And you got divorced while you were filming the "The Real Housewives".

LESSEPS: Yes.

BEHAR: Did the show -- tell me from your heart, do you think that the show had anything to do with the divorce?

LESSEPS: No. You know things weren`t going well and we were separating in any case. I -- it didn`t end my marriage. It certainly didn`t help but it didn`t end my marriage.

You know when two people love each other, they love each other. At this point in my life, the marriage was really over. And it wasn`t you know just a matter of time. So --

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: So the show --

LESSEPS: It wasn`t the show that ended --

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: You don`t feel the show had any impact?

LESSEPS: Definitely not. And you know and I just want to add that this show -- I didn`t show my divorce on the show. I didn`t live it on the show.

BEHAR: Yes.

LESSEPS: I basically tried to hide it from the show.

BEHAR: But it was hard -- it must have been hard to go through the divorce on the air.

LESSEPS: It was -- it was hard -- it was hard, knowing that things weren`t going well.

BEHAR: Yes.

LESSEPS: We were separating and eventually divorcing and it was hard to kind of hide that. But I did that for my children, out of the love for my family just to protect them.

BEHAR: You kept it quiet.

LESSEPS: Exactly I kept it quiet because I don`t think you have to share everything with these reality shows.

BEHAR: Hello.

LESSEPS: And you know I think that`s the mistake a lot of people make.

BEHAR: Yes.

LESSEPS: You know they really give too much of themselves when you really don`t have to.

BEHAR: Well, what -- you know it`s like Kathie Lee Gifford, one time I said, somebody said to her, you always talk about your kids. And she said, that`s what my life is.

LESSEPS: Right.

BEHAR: So I have to talk about my life and I think these reality shows are about your life.

LESSEPS: Absolutely.

BEHAR: And that`s what you have to do.

(CROSSTALK)

LESSEPS: Yes.

BEHAR: And if you withhold, you don`t last.

LESSEPS: Well, no but it`s not about withholding things and not being honest, it`s about talking to your kids about it for example like on the show, I never brought up that I wasn`t happy with their father. You know I wouldn`t do that to the children.

BEHAR: To the kids.

LESSEPS: That`s right, to the kids and so you have to really protect your family.

BEHAR: And you left there, you know you`re still standing.

LESSEPS: I`m still standing.

BEHAR: And a lot of them are not. So you did it right.

LESSEPS: I did what was comfortable for me.

BEHAR: Yes. Linda, do you think there`s a reality show marriage curse, Linda because you were on -- you were about to -- how does it go now? I had a note here about it. You were about to get a divorce but you stayed on the show. What was the story there?

LINDA HOGAN, HULK HOGAN`S EX-WIFE: A lot of people think that it is the reality curse. But truthfully, you know, we had some problems brewing behind the scenes. I mean we all have our characters that we basically are an extension of yourself with just a little more color.

And we were very protective of our family on-screen. We had limits on what we would allow. No nudity, no serious violence. The network knew what they got, the public knew what they got. And we just had our limits, as far as what we give them, that`s where we edit that. And what they want, believe me, they`ll go for the jugular if they can.

BEHAR: Yes you filed for divorce.

HOGAN: So it`s really what you edit.

BEHAR: Here`s the note I was looking for. You filed for the divorce just a month after the last episode aired. Were you keeping it going for the cameras?

HOGAN: You know I really didn`t know that my husband was having an affair while we were filming. I didn`t find out until several months later after we wrapped. I just knew that we`re definitely something was different. I was not happy, we were not happy. So it was a -- I was still trying to keep a stiff upper lip and get through the filming. But I was definitely -- I knew that there was some kind of problems going on.

BEHAR: Yes.

HOGAN: I didn`t know what though.

BEHAR: Ok. All right now Chris, in this particular case were talking about which is Kim Kardashian, she happens to be more famous than Kris. Ok, like J. Lo is more famous than you, I mean not for nothing.

CRIS JUDD, DIRECTOR & CHOREOGRAPHER: Yes.

BEHAR: I don`t mean to be rude to you but it -- you know it`s a fact. She`s -- she`s very famous, Jennifer Lopez. Do you think that that had any impact on the marriage?

JUDD: No, I don`t.

BEHAR: You don`t.

JUDD: I just think once -- no. No, I -- I don`t think so. Once you -- once you bring cameras into your family behind closed doors, I think it`s a doomed thing from the start. Your family life and everything should be private and it should be protected by you and your family.

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: Well you didn`t do that.

JUDD: I don`t think it had anything --

BEHAR: You didn`t do that, no.

JUDD: No, we didn`t. We were very -- we were very adamant about that. And this is like my private life and no one needs to know what goes on behind my closed doors along with my family and my problems.

BEHAR: But do you think -- do you think sometimes when the -- when one person is more famous and both people are in show business, like Marc Anthony and Jennifer Lopez, another situation. I mean he`s famous, Marc Anthony but no -- he`s not as well-known as Jennifer Lopez like I just said to you.

(CROSSTALK)

JUDD: Yes but that`s -- but that`s --

BEHAR: That does not impact the relationship?

JUDD: It didn`t impact our relationship at all.

BEHAR: Really?

JUDD: I mean, I was my own man, and my own, I had my own business yet I wasn`t making as much money as Jennifer but successful in my own right.

BEHAR: How does it play into it -- how does it play into it when the woman makes more money than the man? That doesn`t --

(CROSSTALK)

JUDD: Well I mean, that has to -- it doesn`t play into anything. You are your own man. You are set -- you are set in your ways and you are confident in who you are and your place and where this is at.

So my place and Jennifer Lopez, when I was her husband, I was like the quiet strength, the pillar. And the -- you know, and the safe guard for her. You know, so it was -- it wasn`t me trying to like jump into the limelight and catch her thunder. I wasn`t -- that wasn`t me at all. And I was just there to protect her and be there for her whenever she needed it.

BEHAR: Ok.

JUDD: So it has nothing to do with --

LESSEPS: Good for you. I like that.

BEHAR: Yes. Good for him.

JUDD: With -- with who are -- who are -- so it`s like -- if it doesn`t work out that way for men, then, it`s our own character flaw and they can`t deal with it. There`s a lot of animosity when people are doing better than others. And -- and it`s going to happen both ways either way you look at it.

BEHAR: Ok. All right, thank you very much, everybody. And we`ll be right back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next, Ann Coulter tells Joy why she thinks those Herman Cain`s sex harassment claims are nothing more than a liberal smear campaign.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BEHAR: GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain may be in some sexual hot water as allegations have surfaced that when he was CEO of Godfather`s Pizza he may have tried to make two women offers they couldn`t refuse.

Joining me to discuss this is Ann Coulter, the author of "Demonic" -- I love to say it -- "How the liberal mob is endangering America". How are you?

ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "DEMONIC": Fine, thank you.

BEHAR: It`s a scary title like "The Horrible Liberals are Destroying the Country" --

COULTER: Yes. And they`re all living up to it at Occupy Wall Street.

BEHAR: Oh, it`s the greatest. I love it so much.

So let`s get. First of all Herman Cain was the president of the National Restaurant Association at the time of these allegations. So let`s just say who he was, that`s what he was doing.

COULTER: Right.

BEHAR: And so he was in a position of power. Right?

COULTER: Nearly 20 years ago. And there was no quid pro quo though, you had a very clever intro. There`s no allegation of that.

BEHAR: And his story has been evolving since it broke yesterday. Let`s watch some of what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?

HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am unaware of any sort of settlement. I hope it wasn`t for much because I didn`t do anything. But the fact of the matter is, I`m not aware of a settlement that came out of that accusation.

I was aware that an agreement was reached. The word "settlement" versus the word "agreement", you know, I`m not sure what they called it. I know that there was some sort of agreement, but because it ended up being minimal, they didn`t have to bring it to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: Agreement, settlement; tomato -- tomato. Is he lying when he says he wasn`t aware or is he lying when he says he was aware?

COULTER: No. He`s not lying at all. It`s a little hard to know how anyone is supposed to respond to the allegations because I don`t know -- no one knows what the allegations are. We have two anonymous sources and they`re claiming there were remarks that were inappropriate. And one gesture that was not sexual but it was inappropriate.

There were all these cases --

BEHAR: Well, something must have happened then because they got paid off and they never came back.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: That happens all the time up until Bill Clinton introduced the one free grope rule. But before Bill Clinton, you`d have these lawsuits all the time. A woman would get fired and she`d turn around and claim, my boss called me honey. It would be like in the `80s running a nursery school and being accused of child molestation.

BEHAR: Are you saying that women should not accuse men of sexual harassment?

COULTER: No. I`m saying this belittles real sexual harassment. It was rampant in the `90s.

BEHAR: But you don`t know what happened. How can you say it wasn`t real sexual harassment?

COULTER: Then why did Politico report it? You don`t know what happened either. Politico doesn`t know what happened? Review now --

BEHAR: Politico reported that there was a settlement. Two women accused him of sexual harassment. That`s what they reported.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: To leave -- and we don`t know what the statements were.

BEHAR: No, no, no. It was about sexual harassment.

COULTER: Well, anybody can say that. And they were seeing it all the time.

Look, I`ll give you actual cases. One woman sued for sexual harassment and won a lot of money because her boss had a picture of his wife in a bathing suit on his desk.

BEHAR: Who are you talking about? Some other case?

COULTER: Yes. It`s a case.

BEHAR: All right. Let`s just not be throwing a million canards in here.

COULTER: At least we have facts in those cases. We don`t have any facts in this case. To be accused of sexual harassment in the 90s and have a settlement for less than $100,000 and to have no accusation of touching, no accusation of quid pro quo.

BEHAR: We don`t know that yet. Nothing`s been --

COULTER: Well then, nothing should have been reported. According to the original --

(CROSSTALK)

BEHAR: You know what; let`s take a break.

COULTER: Are you telling me Politico was holding back on that. We`re going to launch this story and --

BEHAR: I think that they`re doing their job.

When we come back, I`ll ask Ann if she`s taking a page out of Hillary Clinton`s book, is there a vast left wing conspiracy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still to come, is there a cure for bad sex? Joy talks with the folks from the new group therapy reality series, "Bad Sex".

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BEHAR: I`m back with the lovely Ann Coulter and we`re talking about Herman Cain`s sexual misconduct controversy.

OK. Let`s look at Cain`s version of what did happen, OK? Let`s hear that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: One incident that I recall as the day has gone on, she was in my office one day and I made a gesture, saying, I was standing close to her, and I made a gesture, you are the same height as my wife.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: He suddenly recalled.

COULTER: Yes. It`s from 20 years ago. The HR department --

BEHAR: Allegation, now all of a sudden, he suddenly recalled the specific incident where a woman is the height of his wife. Fascinating!

COULTER: You consider that sexual harassment?

BEHAR: Well, that`s his version.

COULTER: Do you consider that sexual harassment?

BEHAR: You don`t know where his hand was.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER: Do you consider that story sexual harassment? But then he denied he had ever sexually harassed someone, and then we see there was a gesture that wasn`t sexual and the woman found it inappropriate.

BEHAR: That`s what he says.

COULTER: Well, we don`t know what they say because we don`t know their names.

BEHAR: They were told that we`ll give you the money if you keep your mouth shut?

COULTER: Yes, $10,000? That means there`s no case, I`ve got news for you. If it`s under $100,000.

BEHAR: How do you explain there were two of them, two separate occasions.

COULTER: We don`t know that.

BEHAR: There were two cases. Two allegations.

COULTER: Because a woman gets fired, she says I was sexually harassed. Here`s $10,000. Go away. It happens all the time. It`s like - -

BEHAR: I don`t believe it happens like that, Ann.

COULTER: Yes, it does. I try to give you examples. You say, don`t give me facts.

BEHAR: That was a ridiculous example.

COULTER: OK. There are numerous examples. It happens to be a factual example of an actual case of a company having to pay money because a man, a boss had picture of his wife.

BEHAR: What company was that?

COULTER: I don`t know, what difference does it make? It was in the United States of America, decided in a court in America. What difference does the company make?

BEHAR: It makes a difference.

COULTER: It was Triple-A company and his name was John Salten (ph).

BEHAR: Now, you`re lying.

COULTER: Of course I`m lying. What difference that it makes? It fact in America.

BEHAR: Well, if you are going to work with facts, I want the actual facts.

COULTER: That isn`t a relevant fact. It happened in America to one company. It can happen to another company. It can happen to Herman Cain. It happens all the time when not even bosses, but colleagues would say a woman was wearing a pretty dress. That`s a nice dress. That would give right to sexual harassment.

BEHAR: Well, it depends if it`s threatening.

COULTER: I`ll give you another one. A bunch sitting around a meeting and a guy say, nothing I like more than sticky buns in the morning, and wiggling his eyebrows.

BEHAR: And licking his lips.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: You consider that sexual harassment?

BEHAR: Well, if he says it like that.

COULTER: You consider that sexual harassment?

BEHAR: Maybe, depends, I don`t know. It`s not easy to harass me. I have been sexually harassed by some of the best.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER: Forcing a White House intern to perform oral sex on him when he doesn`t even know her first name, no, none of that, not calling Paula Jones to the hotel room and dropping your pants and say -- I love sticky buns in the morning. That`s sexual harassment.

BEHAR: He got away with it. I don`t think anybody should get away with it. He did, Bill Clinton. I`m on the same page with you. But he still was a great president.

COULTER: He spent $9,000 only on legal fees in the first nine months from Paula Jones` elder press conference which is why companies settle.

BEHAR: OK. Let me ask you a question. You call this a high-tech lynches.

COULTER: Yes.

BEHAR: OK. So, do you agree the Birther movement is a high-tech lynching too then, because they`re both going after black men?

COULTER: Well, I attacked Birther in my book "demonic" and it was and in fact I ran it down I mean a lot already knew this it was started by someone on the Hillary Clinton campaign and it was pushed by the left. It was shut down by --

BEHAR: The birther movement was -- I interviewed the woman who started, what`s her name? Someone by some crazy name. She was no lefty, honey. Let me tell you something.

COULTER: I never heard of her. She doesn`t write for American spectator, my newspaper, human event, national review. She`s not on FOX News, FOX News never talked about her. No one in FOX, no one in newsroom. My newspaper shot it down, human events shot it down. American spectator? That was not coming from respectable right wingers.

BEHAR: OK. Can I just say my feeling about this Herman Cain thing, this whole thing even though "politico" reported it, is coming from the right. Because I don`t -- hear me out. I don`t really believe the Obama camp has an issue with Herman Cain at the moment.

COULTER: Yes, they do.

BEHAR: If they were going to bring it out, they would wait until he was the nominee. Why do it now. He`s no threat. Listen to me. He is no threat. He`s no threat to you. But he is a threat to Rick Perry, and your boyfriend Romney, he`s a threat to the two of them.

COULTER: No one is really a threat to Romney. It`s going to be Romney. And frankly, Romney`s interest is in keeping Cain in the race so the social conservatives canal it fight it out among themselves.

BEHAR: Is he your choice, Romney?

COULTER: No, I just think --

BEHAR: He`s a bigger flip-flopper than John Kerry ever was in his entire career.

COULTER: This is add in the same question.

BEHAR: You have add, too, we`re a couple here.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTER: Herman Cain, along with Alan West, Michael Steele is an enormous threat to the left. Conservatives attack Obama-care, you`re a racist, conservatives attack this to me, you`re a racist. A conservative attacks this to me, you`re a racist. There`s a tea party, you`re a racist. Donald Trump said, the black, that`s racism. A conservative black is a massive threat to the entire liberal establishment and this is a smart powerful black.

BEHAR: Why is that?

COULTER: Because that`s their answer to everything.

BEHAR: Something you said is really crazy. You said our blacks are so much better than their blacks.

COULTER: Yes.

BEHAR: To become a black Republican, you don`t just roll into it, not going against the flow, probably thought about your family members and thought everything out and why you have impressive blacks. Are you saying that all the African-America who are Democrats, are stupid?

COULTER: No, I`m saying Google Maxine Waters, Cynthia McCain, John Conner (ph) and then Google a tape of the Alan West, Michael Steele or Herman Cain and decide for yourself who you are.

BEHAR: So are the people on the left.

COULTER: Not the ones I just named.

BEHAR: Well, because you don`t agree with that so you would saying --

COULTER: It`s not because I don`t agree with them.

BEHAR: You know, I don`t agree with a lot of people on the right, but I don`t say they`re stupid. I don`t think that`s right.

COULTER: They are more impressive.

BEHAR: Impressive. That`s code.

COULTER: No question about that.

BEHAR: I`m sorry. I don`t think that that`s --

COULTER: When you see Maxine Waters took the side of Damion Football Williams who dropped a cinder block on Reginald Denny`s head during the L.A. riots, she went to visit him afterwards. She called L.A. riots a rebellion. She offered Damion Football Williams a job. She is heavily responsible for the entire financial crisis.

BEHAR: I won`t get into a race conversation. You say liberals detest conservative blacks. I like Michael Steele. He`s fine.

COULTER: I`ll answer. Stop talking. There was a question mark there.

BEHAR: OK.

COULTER: At the end of the question mark, why do I say that? OK, when Michael Steele was running for Senate, liberals showed up and rolled orioles down the aisle at him and called him Uncle Tom. They called Herman Cain an Uncle Tom. The way they went after Condoleezza Rice in racist terms, the only words I mean here in America these days is against conservative black, and they are vicious.

BEHAR: Well, your friend, Rush Limbaugh was a - didn`t he call Obama, the magic Negro, what is that mean? What is that mean, the magic Negro?

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COULTER: It was a title of an article in the L.A. Times. He was quoting the title. That`s where it comes from.

BEHAR: Didn`t he say also that he was an affirmative action president? They were always asking, let me see your grades and your birth certificate.

COULTER: I don`t know. You`re bringing up stuff I don`t know. I happen to remember the magic Negro and now you`re bringing up something I never heard of before that someone else said that I`ve never heard him said.

BEHAR: But the whole movement on the right against Obama is so racist in so many ways. They want to know how come he`s the only president that ever anybody wanted to see his birth certificate. Now they want to see his grades.

COULTER: Condoleezza rice who are manifestly two of the brightest people --

BEHAR: Nobody said anything about Condoleezza Rice.

COULTER: Yes. She was accused of being stupid by the Clinton alleged you know Osama bin Laden guy, that you know what was his name, testified before any 9/11 commission. Oh, no, he said when he brought up al-Qaeda Condoleezza Rice blanked over as if she had never heard of al-Qaeda. There were radio interviews for talking about al-Qaeda 10 years earlier. Bob Beckel called her dumb on TV with me one night.

BEHAR: And didn`t she get the memo bin Laden is going to be attacking us in the flying zone? Is she ignored it? I mean, come on, that a fact.

COULTER: No, no, no. Thank you for mentioning that. I read about that so many times. Bin Laden determined to attack was the title. It`s like saying Hollywood actress determined to succeed.

Everything in that memo said that it was going to be attacked on federal building with bombs in New York with bombs. If we followed everything in that memo we would have bomb sniffing dogs around the federal board house in New York.

No one imagined it was going to be hijacking planes. No one imagine it was going to be the world -

BEHAR: Why not?

COULTER: It wasn`t in the memo. You`re saying, why didn`t follow the memo. If they followed the memo, we would have been wastes resources in places nothing happened.

BEHAR: Down to the world trade center, too.

COULTER: Yes, we know. And you know Robert determines to get money from bank. That doesn`t really tell you the scheme.

BEHAR: I`m saying nobody`s perfect. So, she made mistakes. That doesn`t make her stupid.

COULTER: That`s like horse going to win at Belmont. That isn`t giving you horse. Give me the name.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: It`s basically the idea of the memo.

COULTER: We know.

BEHAR: I gave you to the idea of the memo.

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BEHAR: Richard Clarke said that they had many, many more names.

COULTER: Richard Clarke is the one who called Condoleezza Rice stupid. Thank you.

BEHAR: Maybe he knew something, I don`t know.

COULTER: So you`re calling Condoleezza Rice stupid.

BEHAR: I happen to think Richard Clarke is quite brilliant.

COULTER: Black conservatives come under the most vicious--

BEHAR: Talk about demonic, Clarence Thomas is demonic. He`s not stupid. He`s in trouble with his wife right now. He could get impeached.

COULTER: What the wave of liberal opinion is and you come back with only your opinion whereas when I describe conservative opinion, you come back with some tiny little thing that allegedly Rush Limbaugh said I never heard.

BEHAR: I was giving you an example of somebody on your side that makes racist comments.

COULTER: The magic Negro was in the "L.A. Times" I was reading from.

BEHAR: What about the idea that Obama can`t do affirmative action, isn`t that a major diss on a person?

COULTER: I don`t know what your --

BEHAR: They like to continuously like to say that Obama got there because he`s not a citizen, he came through affirmative action, all this stuff as if he`s not qualified to be president.

COULTER: I haven`t heard anyone say that.

BEHAR: Bush was the most incompetent president I have ever heard.

COULTER: How did we get to from these conserve racist attacks on conservative blacks to --

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: To the contrary we say we don`t like Obama-care, we don`t like him planning to raise taxes and start class warfare, their answer to us is you must be a racist because he`s black and why they hate Herman Cain.

And you say, the minute we go back after a black guy on your side, you say it`s a high-tech lynching.

COULTER: It`s the only argument they have.

BEHAR: We will be right back.

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BEHAR: To most people having sex means hours of fun, OK, minutes.

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BEHAR: But for others, it means hours of therapy. On the new logo network series, "bad sex," everything from clinical frigidity to compulsive public sex will be exploited.

Joining me are Christopher Donaghue, therapist and host of "Bad Sex", Sex educator, Logan Levkoff and Matt who once had a bad sexual encounter and now has a fear of sex. That`s you Matt.

OK, Chris, how do you define bad sex?

CHRISTOPHER DONAGHUE, HOST BAD SEX: That`s a great piece of the show. Because I don`t really believe there is anything such as bad sex.

BEHAR: Neither does Woody Allen.

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DONAGHUE: Well, you know sex is an exciting part of our lives and it`s something that in our culture has really made a negative and we (inaudible). And so, I don`t believe in bad sex and I work with my clients and really accepting the sexual diversity that they have.

BEHAR: But Matt, you had a bad experience. What happened to you?

MATT, HAS FEAR OF SEXUAL CLOSENESS: I got sperm ma side on my face. I put a con don on wrong and I got it on my face and the person with me laughing hysterically.

BEHAR: So, it was funny?

MATT: Well, to anybody, it would be pretty traumatic.

BEHAR: Was it your first sexual encounter?

MATT: Yes.

BEHAR: Well, that`s why, because probably a guy who had more experienced would have laughed it off because it`s not like she`s saying you can`t do it, you know what I mean. You just had a mishap. And then it traumatized you.

BEHAR: Yes.

DONAGHUE: It bled into Matt`s social life.

BEHAR: What bled? -- What bled?

DONAGHUE: The anxiety.

BEHAR: The anxiety bled. What, the condom, have spikes on it?

MATT: It was impactful.

BEHAR: It hurt him. How do you help him?

DONAGHUE: Yes.

BEHAR: So, how do you help him?

DONAGHUE: Well, in my work, I really like to push my clients to go into their fear, go into their anxiety. So, if they say to me, something will make me anxious on like, that`s where we zero in on it. Our work was on giving homework assignment, Matt go into his life and really push himself in to the moments that scares him. So, it`s asking woman out looking to a sexuality and kind a holding him to the fire.

BEHAR: Have you been doing anything?

MATT: Yes. I was diligently doing my homework.

BEHAR: So, give me something that you just did.

MATT: I got here.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: But I mean with women.

MATT: God, I talk to them all the time now. So, it`s not as hard as it used to be. I used to have like, a checklist of things I had to do before I talked to women and now it`s very easy, comfortable, and I can address some.

BEHAR: To me, I`m not an expert on this topic, but it sounds to me as he was traumatized at that moment but there`s something else that went on years before that maybe that brought him to that. Because another person who was more comfortable with himself maybe wouldn`t have been so upset by that. Do you agree with that?

LOGAN LEVKOFF, AUTHOR, HOW TO GET YOUR WIFE TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU: Yes, I think we have this idea there`s one right way to be sexually. We have to be perfect, we have to be advanced. There`s no such thing as being awkward and that fact that we all know good sex is really awkward and we laugh and those are the moments more meaningful. And we put so much pressure on ourselves and we have this crazy magazine headlines that say, 5,000 ways to pleasure partner like never before.

BEHAR: As if there`s time.

MATT: Yes, there is. I`ve read those. It`s not applicable at all.

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DONAGHUE: Technique based that we try to move away from. Everyone thinks there`s a laid-out path. With Matt it was about changing perspective, understand that sex isn`t about where are you going, and not working towards anything. It is about connecting and pleasure and moved away from techniques.

MATT: Checking in with yourself what the end result was.

BEHAR: Ok, Logan, on the show, Chris calls Matt`s problems sexual anorexia. Did he try to have sex with some supermodel? What does that mean? Sexual anorexia.

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LEVKOFF: I think it`s this idea that we deprive ourselves of something, in this case, sex and sexual pleasure and intimacy with someone else. And you know it stems from insecurity. It stems from a lot of bad sex Ed.

BEHAR: What is anorexia.

LEVKOFF: Chris, how do you define it in terms of your job?

DONAGHUE: Avoidance and fear and anxiety.

BEHAR: It`s like an avoidance of food?

DONAGHUE: Absolutely. It`s the same process. Instead of food, it`s fear and avoidance of sex. And Matt had extreme fear talking about sex and making attempts towards it and so he had to work on you know slowly getting him anxiety tolerance to move closer towards it.

BEHAR: So, before we take a break, I want to know what other problems you deal with on this show.

DONAGHUE: We deal with it all.

BEHAR: Give me some bad sex examples?

DONAGHUE: A sex addict that can`t get through his work day without leaving multiple times to get sex to a female that likes rough damaging sex and she`s afraid that she`s not normal and wants to know how to bring that into relationship in a healthy way. We have a female who has never had penetrative sex and wants to have intercourse it for the first time. We have a man who is a love addict and he` addicted to his girlfriend. It`s a full of --

BEHAR: Are all these people in group therapy?

DONAGHUE: Yes. We do group therapy and individuals. It`s fun times.

BEHAR: Is it fun?

MATT: Yes, it was good. It was enlightening.

BEHAR: You feel normal probably, right?

MATT: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

MATT: I`d walk away every week, Jesus Christ.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: Yes, it`s great. Ok, we will continue this after a short break.

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BEHAR: We`re back and talking about bad sex, bad sex. Let`s talk about sex at the school for a second because you are in to that, I know.

LEVKOFF: Yes, Very much so.

BEHAR: How old should a child be before they are exposed to sex Ed a school?

LEVKOFF: I think it is important to remember that sexuality education isn`t teaching your kids how to have sex. It is setting them up for a good understanding of their bodies, what`s happening to them in their sexual development and then how to evaluate healthy choices.

This idea that we have some crazy people out there to think that if we talk to kids about sex it means we`re telling them what to do and how to do it and to run out and do it right now. They are crazy.

BEHAR: Absolutely crazy like Sean Hannity on FOX?

LEVKOFF: Yes. I`ve been there. I just debated with him last week. Lovely experience.

BEHAR: Did he somebody who just twists the whole thing around to make it look like a perversion that teachers are in to.

LEVKOFF: Absolutely. I mean suggesting that sexuality educators teach things like bestiality and give out vibrators. That is one of the suggestions that were made. I can assure you that are not a part of the educational program.

BEHAR: Maybe Logan that is a fantasy of his.

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LEVKOFF: You know what, I didn`t think about that but maybe I`ll send him a vibrator now.

BEHAR: I think you should send him one.

LEVKOFF: It`s done.

BEHAR: What about religion? I always think that a lot of times religion plays a part in repressing sexual interest.

DONAGHUE: Absolutely. Most of the clients I worked with that have you know females have low desire, even men that have low desire. A lot of those have struggle things they have been taught belief systems they have been inherited.

BEHAR: That it is dirty, that is wrong.

DONAGHUE: That it is only for marriage. I mean that`s going to be since I have to work on my client`s says sex is actually a really healthy thing to do recreationally and even within a relationship.

BEHAR: Well, a lot of religions, like the Catholic religion, I don`t know if they preach this but you only have sex to pro create. There`s no other reason to have sex.

LEVKOFF: And there`s a gender discussion on this too. That mean men are entitled to sex and women aren`t, so it`s not really a surprise that women have issues with intimacy and sexual pleasure we were taught to shout shut our legs and never have pleasure.

BEHAR: Yes. Now, Matt, you went - you did have a sex Ed in class when you were younger.

MATT: Yes, at sixth grade.

BEHAR: Yes, you were in sixth grade.

MATT: Yes. The extend of it was math class was shortened and we got a video that was made probably in the `60s or late `70s. That was sex Ed with the whole thing was to a male and female holding hand and talking about, like a lot of imagery that was really romanticized.

BEHAR: Yes. People running in slow motion towards each other?

MATT: Toward a wedding. Never any appropriate discussion of how to put a condom on which would have been helpful 20 years later for me.

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BEHAR: I mean whatever happened to the banana and the condom thing they usually they show sometimes. That would have helped you.

LEVKOFF: Tremendously.

MATT: Big time. They should put that on the condom package.

LEVKOFF: I started as a sex educator. My parents came home, I was fifteen. Two condoms and two bananas and said this is how you put on a condom and we are signing you up to be a peer HIV/AIDS educator.

BEHAR: And look at her now?

DONAGHUE: Yes.

BEHAR: Driving Sean Hannity out of his mind.

LEVKOFF: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: Making her head crazy.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: Ok, thank you guys very much. The show "Bad sex" premiers Friday at 9:00 p.m. on LOGO.

And pick up Logan`s book "how to get your wife to have sex with you." I want you to come back and talk about that book.

LEVKOFF: Anytime.

BEHAR: Thank you for watching. Good night everybody.

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