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Earthquakes Rock Oklahoma; Two GOP Debates This Week; Herman Cain Clashes With Reporters
Aired November 06, 2011 - 06:00 ET
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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Well, good Sunday morning, everybody. I'm T.J. Holmes.
And a second earthquake in 24 hours in Oklahoma. And this one, the largest on record for that state.
Plus this morning, Republican Herman Cain clashes with reporters again.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed that sexual harassment complaint against --
HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Don't even go there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, doctor (ph) --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask my question?
CAIN: No, because --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask a good question?
CAIN: Where is my chief of staff?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm right here.
CAIN: Please send him the journalistic code of ethics.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: Yes, Cain giving lessons in ethics. Says he's not talking about sexual harassment claims against him. Reporters have not stopped asking.
Also, more arrests and violence at several "Occupy" protests around the country.
This is your CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Thank you for spending part of your weekend here with us. And a special hello, as always, to our military men and women watching us right now on the American Forces Network. Thank you for being here, and thank you for what you do.
But let's start with the ground rumbling in central Oklahoma once again. People there a bit unsettled after two earthquakes and a string of aftershocks. Got some video here coming into us from Broken Bow, Oklahoma. The U.S. Geological Survey says a magnitude 5.6 earthquake, that's the largest ever to hit Oklahoma, struck just before midnight eastern time. There are reports of damaged homes and buildings. Kind of -- much of the stuff you're seeing right there on the video. A highway buckled as well in a couple of places. A report that only one person has been injured. Listen now to some of the homeowners describe what was going on last night.
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COREY DITTAMORE, HOME DAMAGED BY EARTHQUAKE: Well, this is the after effects of what happened tonight. We -- we were just getting ready to go to bed after watching those two football games. And this was a little bit more exciting. All of a sudden it sounded like -- almost like a freight train coming through. And there was a lot of wind. There was -- it sounded like wind. And then everything started shaking real bad in the house. I know that we've had different, smaller earthquakes in Oklahoma, and I've never really -- I mean just slightly felt them, but nothing like this.
BUBBA FERNANDEZ, HOME DAMAGED BY EARTHQUAKE: Ran down here to see it, and I actually -- I could not believe how much damage there was from it. But I'm surprised there's not more to be honest with you, as long as it shook. It was at least a minute. I mean upstairs -- I mean, literally, my kids' trophies, the piano upstairs, I mean everything was -- I mean the little tassels on the fans, they were -- they had (ph) at least a minute.
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HOLMES: All right, I'm here with Reynolds now.
We were just talking about earthquakes and we don't hear about them that often in this area.
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: How odd is that?
HOLMES: So, what's going on? Two in 24 hours. And now we're told this is the largest ever on record for the state.
WOLF: Absolutely, because the largest ever, we actually spoke about it less than 24 hours ago, the 5.5 that struck back in 1952, on April 9th to be exact. The one that caused a crack in the capitol.
HOLMES: (INAUDIBLE).
WOLF: It was about a 45 feet length.
There is a fault line that runs right through parts of Oklahoma. It's called the Mean Mishal (ph) Fault. And along that fault line it is not unusual to have tremors, to have earthquakes, to have aftershocks. But this, of course, was the biggest. And you've seen the video of the damage.
What we had yesterday was something very interesting. Had it been something in smaller, not a 5.6 but perhaps if it had been, say a 4.1, that would have been considered an aftershock. But because it's higher, more intense on the Richter scale than say the one we had yesterday, this is its own separate earthquake. And I can tell you, although you see the pictures of them throughout parts of Oklahoma, the effects of this were felt near and far. In fact, last night on FaceBook, I can tell you from personal experience, some good friends of mine actually were in parts of Wichita. They were talking about feeling the earth moving, hearing the windows rattle.
And you can see this video right here in Oklahoma. You've got damage to a lot of roadways. You see where the ground is actually splitting. Some structural damage. Not unusual when you have a 5.6.
Now, this certainly is not as strong as the earthquake we had last weekend in Turkey. In fact, just exactly a week ago we had the strong one in Turkey. Certainly not as strong as the 9.0 that we had that struck Japan. But, still, to say the very least, it is a very impressive earthquake. And there may be some aftershocks that will soon follow. In fact, T.J., I would anticipate that there will be -- not a guess, but I'm sure that it's all but a certainty that we'll definitely have some aftershocks through the morning and perhaps over the next several days.
HOLMES: OK. Should we make anything of this? That we had two in the past 24 hours? Does this happen oftentimes that you just get, you know, a lot of activity at one time?
WOLF: It seems that you often have a little bit of -- a kind of pattern so to speak. We will have a little bit of seismic activity. Basically you have that fault line, which is two different areas of the earth's surface that are brushing up against each other. Friction builds up and then, to release the friction, you have the earthquake. So not unusual at all. You know it might be -- what's interesting is you might have another one of these, say, within the hour. You might have one next month. You may have one five years from now. But that is going to be a place where you're going to see some activity.
What's interesting, too, is when you think about the span of geologic time, although it might not fit into our lifetimes, having, say, if you had one 10 years from now, 20 years from now, that's actually pretty close proximity. The earth is 4.6 billion years old. Having something that quick and that soon, even if it's years apart, is actually, in terms of geologic time, very, very close together. There's a lot of -- that's a pretty good frequency.
But, here, we definitely say we might see some aftershocks. Perhaps even a bit more damage. Because some of these buildings, as you hear, T.J., already damaged a little bit. Another shake or two, maybe even a 5.5, which would be considered an aftershock, could cause more damage.
HOLMES: All right. And to our viewers, we do have some video we're going to share a little later. A local report there. They were live on the air. A news anchor there in town, and the shaking started, he was live on the air. We'll be sharing that with our viewers a little later.
Reynolds, of course, will have the forecast. He'll be with us throughout the morning. But thanks for right now, buddy.
WOLF: You bet.
HOLMES: We're six minutes past the hour. We're going to turn to some politics and a Republican presidential candidate debate that didn't necessarily live up to the billing. Really, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain were supposed to be facing off one on one in Texas. It was supposed to be a lively debate in the style of those legendary Lincoln-Douglas debates. Instead, this kind of turned into two guys complimenting each other's ideas and then, of course, bashing President Obama. At one point, Gingrich likened President Obama to Bernie Madoff.
Now, Herman Cain, well, he wasn't too feisty during the actual debate. He saved that for after the debate. The rule was that no one could ask about those sexual harassment claims during that one-on-one debate. So the questions came in the post-game. Didn't sit well with Herman Cain. Listen to this clash with reporters afterwards.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you all listen, if you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you sit down (INAUDIBLE), sir. Could you do that?
CAIN: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No.
CAIN: No. No.
(CROSS TALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE). It's time for us to trade places, everybody. So Mr. Cain, it's time for us to trade places.
(CROSS TALK)
CAIN: You see what I mean. You all -- I was going to do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond, OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are -- we are getting back on message --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. Cain.
CAIN: End of story. Back on message. Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts where everything has been answered in a story. We're getting back on message, OK?
(END VIDEO CLIP) HOLMES: Want to get back on message, but still those claims of sexual harassment don't seem to be going away. And reporters, as you see there, continue to want to ask about it. We'll have more on Cain's campaign just a little later in the show.
Also, the field of Republican presidential candidates will square off in some other real debates later this week. Two of them. Our Paul Steinhauser has more on that, as well as Mitt Romney's Iowa push in the week ahead.
PAUL STEINHAUSER, DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Hey, good morning, T.J.
Mitt Romney returns to Iowa tomorrow. The Republican presidential candidate hasn't spent a heck of a lot of time this year stumping in the state that kicks off the primary and caucus calendar. But regardless, the most recent polls indicate the former Massachusetts governor is tied with businessman Herman Cain for the lead in the Hawkeye state.
Now, Romney went big in Iowa four years ago when he made his first bid for the White House and the strategy backfired on him. The question this time around is whether Romney will go big again.
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MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And I will be here again and again campaigning here. I want to get the support of the good people in Iowa. I'd love to win in Iowa.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
STEINHAUSER: Wednesday, the candidates team up in a debate for the first time since our CNN showdown last month in Las Vegas. The CNBC debate in Michigan will focus on the economy. The candidates share the stage again on Saturday night in South Carolina for a debate that focuses on foreign policy and national security.
T.J.
HOLMES: All right, thanks to our Paul Steinhauser, as always.
At nine minutes past the hour, we turn now to a shocking and disturbing story out of Pennsylvania that focuses attention on Penn State University's football program. It involves former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. You might not know that name, but he was an assistant for legendary head coach Joe Paterno for 30 years. Sandusky also ran an organization for less fortunate kids called Second Mile. Well, Sandusky has now been arrested and charged with sexually abusing eight kids, all of them young boys. Prosecutors say it went on for 15 years, between 1994 and 2009.
Here's what the attorney general is now saying about the case. Says, "this is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys." Now the details in the indictment are extremely disturbing. Sandusky is saying he's innocent. Listen to his attorney.
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JOSEPH AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: He's been aware of these allegations now for over three years. He came back to state college voluntarily last night. On the other hand, I've seen counts and cases like this where there are allegations of child abuse that involved hundreds of counts. So 40, actually, in term of perspective, in terms of the nature of the case and the allegations, it doesn't surprise me.
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HOLMES: As for Penn State, the coach, Joe Paterno, apparently brought the abuse allegations to the attention of the university in 2002, three years after Sandusky quit as coach. But Sandusky still had access to the school, often brought kids there. Two officials at the university are also facing charges for allegedly lying about what they knew. The university president is standing by those two employees right now saying, "the allegations about a former coach are troubling, and it's appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly. Protecting children requires the utmost vigilance."
But about the two current employees, he says, "I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless, and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately." The indictment is the result of a three-year investigation. The 67-year-old Sandusky is now out on bail.
Let's turn now to the "Occupy" movement. We saw more arrests last night in the Occupy Atlanta protest. The protesters moved out of Woodruff Park at closing time, but then started marching down the street. Police tried to break up the crowd and several people were arrested when a motorcycle cop was knocked over.
Then tempers flared in Washington, when three "Occupy" protesters were hit by a car. Police let the driver of the car leave the scene, which led to confrontations between protesters and police. The three people who were hit actually got tickets for crossing against the light.
Then in New York, around 20 protester were arrested for clogging up sidewalks. They were marching toward banks in the financial district. Organizers say the march was meant to support the Move Your Money Day efforts targeting big banks.
Well, there are still about 110,000 customers without power in Connecticut. No light. No heat. It's cold. The power company is promising to have the lights on for 99 percent of the people by tonight. They gave themselves that deadline. But the governor says he does not think Connecticut Light and Power Company is going to be able to get that down. The power lines were knocked down by a big snowstorm more than a week ago.
So you heard us talking about it here yesterday. Everybody was talking about it. Called it the game of the century. Tickets were going for $6,000 online. And, yes, folks, worth every penny. It wasn't a high-scoring affair, though. Number one LSU beat second ranked Alabama last night in overtime. The score, 9-6. A lot of good defense, but still made for a great game. They pounded each other the whole game. If you wanted some offense, you should have checked out the Razorbacks as they beat up on South Carolina. But that's another story.
Now, the commander in chief's trophy going to be staying just north of Colorado Springs. The Air Force Academy Falcons rallied for a -- from a 14-0 deficit at halftime to beat the Black Knights of the Army. The Falcons rolled up 24 unanswered points in the second half. And 24-14 your final.
Well, coming up at 13 minutes past the hour, some news about legendary boxer Joe Frazier. And the news is not good about his health. He is facing a battle against cancer and really the words coming out from his camp and his family, not good right now. A quick break. I'm right back.
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HOLMES: You know that song. You know it well. That's Elvis Presley. A little "Jailhouse Rock." We should be showing a live picture of Memphis. We don't have that one for you, so we'll give you Atlanta.
Good morning to you, Atlanta.
But the song you're hearing is one on "Time" magazine's all-time 100 songs list. Their critics put together this list a short time ago. The best songs since 1923. That's the year that the magazine started. But Elvis Presley. A number of songs he could probably have on that list.
Let's say good morning once again at a quarter past the hour to our Reynolds Wolf.
The folks in Connecticut, whoo, they promised they'd get all the lights on. What, 99 percent of the folks would have their lights by tonight.
WOLF: That's right. Yes, and I assume some of them might be listening to us by satellite radio. And to those who happen to be listening, I know you're frustrated. I know especially those that are -- senior citizens, also some very small kids, it's really tough to deal with. Thankfully, though, the weather's going to be pretty mild in parts of the northeast.
HOLMES: OK, good.
WOLF: So that's good. That's the good stuff. Not so much out towards the west, though. We're going to talk about that in just a few moments.
In fact, let's hop on over. We'll show you the next big weather system that we're seeing in terms of winter weather. We've got to go way west in parts of the Sierra-Nevada, and you can see it plain as day just to the west of Reno at this time, a little bit of snowfall that's popping up. There's more to come. And the reason why is you've got a lot of moisture that's going to be coming in from the Pacific Ocean. And then high aloft up in the Sierra-Nevada, you've got a lot of cold air locked in place. So when it interacts, when it moves up slow higher -- into the higher elevations, it's going to turn into some snow. We actually see some light snowfall across parts of the Great Basin and some near Salt Lake City. Our skiing friends out towards Snowbird, they're going to be happy campers.
Now, what we're going to be seeing today should be a pretty tranquil day in parts of the southern plains. Pretty mild for you in Texas. Again, we talk about the snow and rain out towards the west. Northern plains, chance of rain.
But what I want you to think about, what I want you to follow, is what is going to happen in this part of the world. In fact, I would say right about here, in parts of Oklahoma and Kansas, late tonight and into tomorrow, there's going to be the chance of some severe weather right in that pocket. You've got plenty of moisture that's been pulling into the area. A lot of unstable air masses because you've got that warm air, too. And that front is going to be kind of the catalyst, if you will. So there will be a chance of some severe weather in that part of the world.
Very mild for you in parts of the eastern seaboard, as we mentioned. Plenty of sunshine there with high temperatures wrapping it up for you in Boston with 56, New York with 56, 70 in Memphis, 74 in New Orleans, 47 in Denver, 59 in San Francisco, 67 in El Paso. And Atlanta, the high, 63 degrees.
T.J., that is a look at your forecast. Let's pitch it back to you. And I know we're probably going to be talking about something else having to do with some boxing maybe?
HOLMES: Yes, some boxing. You know, you hate this. Joe Frazier -- legendary boxer. And people know him from those classic bouts with Muhammad Ali. But we're getting news now -- he has liver cancer. It was discovered just a few weeks ago. He's 67 years old. And he is now in hospice care in Philadelphia. And the word coming out of his camp, many family members and people speaking who are close to the situation, just say it's -- it's not a good situation right now. Doesn't look that good. But, still, he is not doing well. Frazier, again, those battles he had, I think at least three with Muhammad Ali including, as we all know, the "Thrilla in Manila." But they don't make them like that anymore. The heavyweight division is -- well, you can't name a single heavyweight right now, can you?
WOLF: No, I really can't.
HOLMES: Nobody can.
WOLF: You know it's -- many people have always said that if it weren't for Ali, if Ali had not been at the same time, that Frazier would have been the boxer of his generation. But two giants. Two tremendous people. And he's very active in the community in Philadelphia. It's very sad to see this happen, but what a wonderful guy. A good American.
HOLMES: Yes. All right. So we'll turn to -- still on the sports front. Terrell Owens. You may have seen him not to long ago doing a workout. He's trying to get a job. He's about to be 38, I believe, in December. So, you know, he's trying to work out. And he's coming back from a serious knee injury. He wants to show that, hey, I can play. Well, apparently he needs a job pretty badly. An arrest warrant has been issued for Terrell Owens because he missed a court date. A court date connected to a child support hearing. Again, he is an unemployed wide receiver right now. Says that the child support payments are based on income he had several years ago when he was at the height of his career, really, making a whole lot of money. Right now he is not making that money. Trying to get back into the league, back on the team. Held an open workout. No teams showed up. That was about a week or so ago.
WOLF: That's not a good sign.
HOLMES: That's not a good sign. But, still, standing by for that phone call.
Let's turn to the NBA. This ain't happening. It doesn't look good that -- for this lockout to end. The owners are now giving the players until Wednesday to accept a deal. To accept the latest proposal. The players union saying they're not even going to put it up for a vote. So clearly they don't plan on accepting that. But the league has already canceled games through the end of this month. If the players don't take this latest deal by Wednesday, the owners plan to pull the offer and propose another one that would give the players less money.
WOLF: You know, when it seemed when -- during the -- there was that possibility, that phantom of the NFL strike. There was at least a few rays of sunshine. We could see the parties working together. And this, you don't see anything. You don't see anyone really taking a step forward. It is a -- it's frightening to watch.
HOLMES: We've got college football, pro football --
WOLF: And college basketball.
HOLMES: College basketball, as well. We might be OK.
All right, Reynolds, thank you. We'll see Reynolds plenty throughout this morning.
I want you to take a look at something. On a restaurant wall, can you make out what that is? Yes, that's someone being lynched. It's been up, though, for 30 years. But now someone is finally saying, hey, it needs to come down. Why did it take 30 years for someone to get upset about this? We'll explain. Stay with me.
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HOLMES: Well, 22 minutes past the hour now. And a faked picture of a lynching is gaining a lot of attention in Katy, Texas, today. It's on the back wall of a restaurant there. The owner says it's no big deal. You look at it. Do you think it is? It shows men with rifles and what's supposed to be an Iranian hanging from the tree. But the caption at the bottom, did you see what that says? It says, "it's time to play cowboys and Iranians." Some are calling it offensive.
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AYMAN WAFAI, THINKS SIGN IS OFFENSIVE: Looking at it now, I see really nothing more than a display of racism and bigotry. I don't think something like this should really be accepted by any community. If this was any other race, if we were looking at a picture of an African-American or Asian American or Native American even, this would be a very, very huge deal.
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HOLMES: The owner, though, is standing by the sign and says it needs some context. Says it was made by some locals during the 1979 Iran hostage crisis and has been on the wall for 30 years now.
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JOHN NONMACHER, RESTAURANT OWNER: I laughed. And I'm still laughing. I mean they don't understand what it is. They don't care to understand it. And somebody's taken it upon themselves to campaign and crusade. It's my choice to have it up. It's your choice to go where you want to go. But I'm not going to take it down.
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HOLMES: Now, the owner says he has never had any complaints before now.
What do you think? Is that picture offensive? Should the restaurant owner take it down? I want to hear from you this morning. You know where to find me on FaceBook and Twitter and our blog. I'm @tjholmes on Twitter. Got that right up on my computer now, so I have been corresponding with some of you all already this morning. But looking forward to getting your responses on this. Should that picture come down?
Well, at 24 minutes past the hour now, picture IDs, intimidation? A lot of controversy over voting laws. We're going to be talking about that again in a moment.
Also, when does life begin? That issue on the ballot in one state this week.
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HOLMES: As we get close to the bottom of the hour on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING, we've got some key votes to watch this week. In Ohio, a key referendum that could have ripple effect across the country. Voters will decide Tuesday whether to uphold a controversial labor law that severely limits government workers' collective bargaining rights. The measure was pushed through by the Republican governor, John Kasich. Among other things, it prohibit public employees from holding strikes.
Also, in Mississippi, voters will be choosing their next governor on Tuesday, could make history if they select Democrat Johnny Dupree. That's Hattiesburg three-term mayor. He would be the first black candidate to win statewide office since reconstruction.
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MAYOR JOHNNY DUPREE (D), MISSISSIPPI GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE: I have a 100 percent chance of not winning if I wasn't in the race.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he does it will be like Moses rolling back the red sea.
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HOLMES: OK. Dupree faces off against Republican Phil Bryant, who is currently Mississippi's lieutenant governor.
Also, Mississippi voters will cast ballots on a controversial measure that could have a nationwide ripple effect, as well. It's called initiative 26. It's better known as "the personhood amendment." Critics say if it passes, it would make it nearly impossible for a woman to get an abortion. Current Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour voted by way on absentee ballot on Thursday.
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GOV. HALEY BARBOUR (R), MISSISSIPPI: I voted for it. I struggled with it. I had some concerns about it. Have some concerns about it. But I think, all in all, I believe life can -- I know I believe life begins at conception. So I think the right thing to do was to vote for it, which is what I did.
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HOLMES: Also, a voter ID law will be on the ballot Tuesday in Mississippi. Voters will decide on an initiative that requires a government-issued photo ID in order to vote. Strict voter ID laws are causing controversy all over the country. Critics say it's an effort to keep minorities from voting. Yesterday I talked with some folks who feel strongly on both sides of this one.
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JUDITH BROWNE-DIANIS, CO-DIRECTOR, ADVANCEMENT PROJECT: This is actually the most wide-scale rollback of voting rights that we have seen in over a country. They're requiring one type of ID. And, in fact, there is an estimated 21 million American that don't have state- issued photo ID. What's wrong with the utility bill? What's wrong with your work ID? There are many other kinds of ID.
HANS VON SPAKOVSKY, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Georgia has had a photo ID law, one of the strictest in the country, in place now for five years. They've had two federal elections and local elections. There has been no downturn in the turnout of African-American voters in any of those elections. In fact, they have gone up significantly.
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HOLMES: Fourteen states have enacted voter I.D. laws. Most have set to go into effect in 2012.
Many Americans are fed up and certainly reflected in the "Occupy" movement, especially fed up with the big banks. We'll explore the "Move Your Money" movement that's gaining traction across the country, as well.
Also, check this out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed the sexual harassment complaints --
HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Don't even go there.
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HOLMES: Herman Cain once again sparring with reporters who keep asking questions he is tired of answering.
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HOLMES: We're just past the bottom of the hour on this CNN Sunday Morning. Thank you for being with us spending part of your weekend. I'm T.J. Holmes.
Did you move your money yesterday? Apparently, a lot of people did. All part of a backlash again the big banks. That was just one of thousands of fed-up Americans across this country who have closed their bank accounts. Two similar movements declared Saturday.
Bank transfer day or move your money day. Either way, it was pretty much the same thing. So where did that money go? Well, it's -- assumed a lot of it went to smaller community bank and credit unions. Many people say they're sick of costly multiplying bank fees.
Let's dig into this now with Bill Cheney in Washington. He's the president and CEO of the Credit Union National Association. Sir, thank you for being here.
Is there any way for you all to gauge, to measure just how big of a day yesterday was? It was the move your money day. Could you tell? Did people move their money?
BILL CHENEY, PRESIDENT AND CEO, CREDIT UNION NATIONAL ASSOCIATION: Well, T.J. yes, we think they did. Thanks for having me on. People were busy yesterday. So we don't have a lot of information directly from credit unions from yesterday.
But we were talking to them throughout the week. And we actually based on our surveys of over 5,000 credit unions, best we can tell -- and this is actually through Thursday of last week, not through yesterday.
But over 650,000 people have moved their money, $4.5 billion, probably more than that. The interesting thing about that, T.J., is that's a year's worth of growth for credit unions in one month. So there's definitely a movement going on.
HOLMES: Did you send a thank you card to Bank of America?
CHENEY: We haven't done that yet, no. You know what? The credit unions deserve the attention they're getting. You know, they're a better deal. It's a place where you can -- you know -- if you're a member of a credit union, you're an owner.
Credit unions are financial cooperatives. So it's different than doing business with a for profit bank. There's nothing wrong with the for profit banking system. We need a strong system.
But at a credit union, you're a member, an owner. It's fundamentally different than the relationship you have with a bank.
HOLMES: OK, so why -- you know what, I shouldn't get on to you for not doing a good enough job, but it -- it took people to get upset with Bank of America to come to the credit unions.
I guess, is it difficult to put your message up and against a Bank of America, which of course, has advertising all over the place? Is that the issue? Why don't people know enough about you?
CHENEY: Well, you know, that's a great question. We ask ourselves that all the time. Credit unions are focused on their members, are focused on their communities. They don't have these multimillion dollar ad budgets.
So while you see Bank of America commercials and similar big banks all the time, credit unions are focused on serving their members. So we've worked to try and get the message out. This has certainly been helpful to us.
But there are a lot of things people don't understand about credit unions. You know, T.J., people think that, well, I'm not eligible to join the credit unions just for that company or that organization. Credit unions have really changed over the years as the financial system has modernized, credit unions have modernized.
And while you do have to be -- use have to be eligible to join a credit union, we have tools that make it easier to find a credit union that you -- that you're eligible to join.
HOLMES: OK. Now a lot of people who may not be that familiar -- I'll let you make your sales pitch, if you will, you've been talking about how it's more personal. You have more ownership. It's not a for profit bank.
But people have the concern -- is it going to be difficult? I have the ease of paying my bills online with this bank. I've got ATMs all over the place. It's -- you know, it's very convenient. Is some of that convenience taking -- taken out if you're with a credit union?
CHENEY: Well, we don't think so. First of all, if you want to find a credit union you can join, there's a web site, asmarterchoice.org. Credit unions are a smarter choice. They have your interests at heart.
At asmarterchoice.org, you can find a credit union you're eligible to join. That's the first step and then, yes, from a convenience perspective, another thing people don't understand is it's not just the credit union down the street that is going to help you.
We have a network of credit unions throughout the country. We have a co-op ATM network with 28,000 ATMs across the country. We have 3,000 shared branches. Credit unions pooling their resources to help you so they -- they are convenient.
They have the sophisticated tools, the online banking systems, over 90 percent of credit union members through their credit union have access to online banking and bill pay and all the modern conveniences you would expect.
HOLMES: All right, Bill Cheney, you might want to send that letter over to say thank you to Bank of America and others who have really started this thing and are you reaping the benefits. But thanks for your time this morning.
CHENEY: Thanks very much, T.J., I appreciate it.
HOLMES: All right. We're 38 minutes past the hour now.
We'll look at some of the stories making headlines. We have got some new suspicions this morning on Iran's nuclear program. The western diplomats have been briefed on a soon-to-be released report from the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency.
The report outlines more charges that the Iranians are trying to build a nuclear weapon. The Islamic Republic has maintained their intentions are peaceful and strictly for generating electricity.
In Saudi Arabia, an estimated two million Muslim pilgrims have arrived at Mt. Arafat, the second day of hajj underway now. Some are concerned that this year's political uprising in several Islamic countries could spark trouble during the five-day observance, but so far, no reports of any issues.
Also this morning, Herman Cain versus Newt Gingrich. The two rising Republican presidential candidates squared off against each other for a one-on-one debate in Texas. The real fireworks, though, came after the debate was over.
Our political reporter, Shannon Travis, was there.
SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: T.J., it was a pretty tame discussion between Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain here in the Houston area. It was what happened after their debate where sparks really flew. During their debate, the two men tackled entitlement reform, government spending. But afterwards, candidate Herman Cain took questions from reporters. We obviously know that he's been besieged this week with claims and questions, details and denials.
He took questions from reporters and basically tried to drive a stake through any more questions about what happened this week, details from the accusers. Take a listen at one of the reactions from candidate Cain to a reporter's question.
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CAIN: If you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you sit down at the microphone for us, sir? Would you, please?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no -- it's time for us to trade places, everybody. So Mr. Cain -- it's time for us to trade places.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cain --
CAIN: I was going do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond, OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are getting back on message, end of story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. Cain.
CAIN: Back on message. Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts where everything has been answered in a story. We're getting back on message.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TRAVIS: But Cain didn't stop there. He took another question from a reporter and essentially tried to school the simple press in the room about how to do their jobs.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ladies and gentlemen, last question, please.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed a sexual harassment complaint against you --
CAIN: Don't even go there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask my question?
CAIN: No. Because --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask a good question?
CAIN: Where is my chief of staff? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm right here.
CAIN: Please send him the journalistic code of ethics.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will do.
TRAVIS: A journalistic code of ethics, Herman Cain basically saying that journalists reporting on this story are not doing their jobs properly.
It's something that he echoed in the debate itself where at the end of the debate, he said that one of the most surprising things he's learned since running for president is that journalists are making up things out hole cloth -- T.J.
HOLMES: All right, thanks to our Shannon Travis there.
Well, the code of ethics, we keep one around here somewhere, don't we, at CNN? This is from the Society for Professional Journalists. Number one, it says, test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error.
Number two, diligently seek out the subjects of news stories that give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing. Also, give voice to the voiceless. Be vigilant and courteous about holding those with power accountable.
All right, quarter mile wide, moving 30,000 miles an hour and it's heading toward earth. We'll tell you when you need to take cover.
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HOLMES: We're a quarter off the top of the hour now. Earlier, we were telling you about this fake picture that's causing a bit of a stir in Texas. It's on a wall of a restaurant there. You see the picture there. You see, this is a fake lynching.
The caption says, "time to play cowboys and Iranians." You see men standing around with rifles and supposedly hanging an Iranian. This was put up some 30 years ago, according to the owner of the restaurant.
It was put up during the hostage crisis, the Iran hostage crisis. He says he has no intention of taking it down, but now some people are starting to complain. Says the first time in 30 years that anybody has complained about it, asked you about it.
Some of you are writing in. Monica, thank you for your comment. You said, "are you kidding me? Of course, it should come down. It's a public embarrassment and very offensive."
Another one here are saying, "people don't like what that dude has in his diner then just keep away from his place of business." Also another one says, "If enough people boycott eating there and it affects his revenue, trust me, he will take it down." More of your comments continuing to come in. Keep them coming @tjholmes. I am reading through them during the show. We'll share more throughout the morning.
Let's say good morning once again though to Reynolds Wolf. Reynolds, it seems like every weekend or so, you're telling me I need to duck because either there's a satellite falling, but now you've got an asteroid coming toward us.
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It's a great deal of frequency about this, isn't there?
HOLMES: There's a lot. This still freaks me out for some reason.
WOLF: Well, this thing is massive. We're talking about an asteroid that's about the size of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. It's about 1,300 feet in width.
We're talking about something very, very massive that could come within 200,000 miles of planet earth. That actually would be closer than the earth is to the moon.
HOLMES: OK. Give me -- relatively speaking, 200,000 miles, is that a little too close for comfort when we're talking about objects flying through space?
WOLF: It's very, very close. I mean, keep in mind unlike some of the things we've been discussing this past month about, say, the satellites falling to earth, that's inside the earth's atmosphere. This is not going to be inside the earth's atmosphere. It's going to remain outside.
HOLMES: Are you sure?
WOLF: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. NASA says they are 100 percent satisfied with their studies that this is going to remain --
HOLMES: Satisfied, what's that mean?
WOLF: OK, let's put worst case scenario. You want to talk worst case scenario? Let's say if something this big were to make an impact, let's pick the Pacific Ocean --
HOLMES: OK.
WOLF: Not that we have any dislike for the Pacific Ocean and great things that happen there. Say the Pacific Ocean, it is believed that this could cause an earthquake that would be a 7.0-magnitude earthquake. It could cause a tsunami that could extend some 60 miles out from the point of impact. They could be 70-feet high.
HOLMES: I don't like -- I don't want the water scenario. Give me the land scenario.
WOLF: Land scenario, again, 7.0 earthquake is basically the biggest thing you'd have.
HOLMES: OK, what if it hits Texas?
WOLF: If it hits Texas, Texas would go, this is again all speculative, it would go through an earthquake that would be a 7.0. You have to remember that parts of Texas, you don't have areas that are -- it's not like San Francisco.
It's not like Tokyo. It's not like you've got buildings that are built to withstand those kinds of things. So again, you're playing a doomsday scenario.
HOLMES: I watch too many movies, man.
WOLF: You were watching too many movies. But let me tell you, it is not expected to make a really -- not going to threaten the earth, but it's going to make another pass in the future that should be a lot closer possibly within 160,000 miles.
HOLMES: OK. Will we be able to see this thing as it flies by?
WOLF: With a real good telescope you should be able to see it go by. The second time it comes by, we'll be worm food, it's going to in 2092.
HOLMES: I'm not worry about that one.
WOLF: It's their problem, the grandkids' problem. Let them deal with it.
HOLMES: Thanks. Reynolds will be back with us, of course, shortly, covering the weather and all things up in space.
All right, it's 12 minutes off the top of the hour. Look at this now. They have a style all their own. Women in Africa dressing up like this.
Some call it like Victorian England. It's in our "Morning Passport." We'll explain.
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HOLMES: My director's telling me my mike's open and I can talk any time, but I was like enjoying that song. This is Frank Sinatra, "Got You Under My Skin."
This is from "Time" magazine's list of 100 best songs since 1923. In '23 is when "Time" magazine started up. This is a signature song of Frank Sinatra. We've been sharing plenty of these songs with you this morning and we will share some more.
But at 10 until the top of the morning, let me say good morning to Nadia Bilchik for our "Morning Passport." You know, fashion, things come and go. Not too much survived over the long run, but they are holding on to this in Namibia. NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: In Namibia, which used to be Southwest Africa. It was German Southwest Africa at some point. So what you're seeing in these magnificent pictures that you are about to see in a couple of minutes are women who during the 1900s, the women is -- in the 1900s, the Germans colonized Southwest Africa.
And the women came in Victorian dress and many of these women, the Herero women worked in the homes of the colonialists. And they dressed much more sparsely because of the weather and were forced by the people they worked forced by the people that they worked for to dress in Victorian dress.
What happened is they actually adopted the style and it's always interesting because you're seeing Herero women who are wearing the long dresses of the Victorians. But you'll notice their headdress, there's nothing Victorian about that.
That's actually supposed to resemble cattle horns because the history of the Herero is that they were a cattle-breeding people.
HOLMES: And they are holding on to this? No signs of things changing?
BILCHIK: No, they're holding on to this. They love the long skirts and the petty coats. But it's a very interesting combination of Victorian style, but Namibian fabric.
HOLMES: OK, so they are making these dresses -
BILCHIK: They are making these dresses and if you go to that part of Namibia, you'll see they also make dolls in the fabrics that they sell to tourists. That become somewhat of a tourist attraction.
But also interesting, don't you find, that the Germans colonized this part of Southwest Africa or Southwest Africa in general. They -- colonized. It was a brutal colonization.
So for something brutal came something very beautiful because the clothing is very ornate and very lovely.
HOLMES: This is remark -- can we show these? We're going to wrap this up, but can you put the pictures up full for me once again? You were telling us that this is -- the pictures were remarkable, and you're absolutely right. These are gorgeous and to think that women in Africa are wearing these. These are pretty --
BILCHIK: In the heat of Africa are wearing these long dresses, lots of petticoats, and they'll wear them as a symbol of pride. A young woman will say to her future in-laws, look, I'm dressing this way to show you what a fantastic wife and mother I'm going to be to your future grandchildren.
HOLMES: Great stuff this morning. Nadia Bilchik with our "Morning Passport" from Namibia. Thank you so much. We'll see you again here shortly. As we get close to the top of the hour, the New York City marathon is today and some running in it will be wounded warriors who served this country on the front lines. They are taking part in the marathon. We are following their journey. Stay here for that.
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HOLMES: Just a few minutes to the top of the hour. Good morning to you, New York City, Columbus Circle on the right, Statue of Liberty on the left. In New York, listening to "Superstition" from Stevie Wonder. One of "Time's" all-time 100 songs we're sharing this morning.
We're just a couple hours from the 43rd Annual New York City Marathon. Starts around 9:30 Eastern Time. Of course, big field of runners, always a fun day out there. Race organizers actually ran out of shirts yesterday for that event and 25 disabled veterans are taking part today.
Two of them really good buddies who lost limbs on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan. They're telling our CNN photojournalist, Rod Griola why competing in the marathon means so much to them after everything they've been through.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Usually the first half of the marathon for me, I'm asking myself why I did this and the second half is usually a lot better. Usually the second half is best.
Nicholas Colchar, Alpha Company, First Armored Company, engineer. I was injured in Sadar City in August of 2008. I was found at Walter Reed where I was there recovering from injuries.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We approached him and said, do you want to participate in a hand cycle, participate in this race. He said, no, ma'am, I'm all set. My name is Jenna Griffith. I'm the director of the Achilles Freedom Team of Wounded Veterans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At first wasn't interested, was more interested in recovering.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It takes a while, two to three weeks after injury, a month after injury, you go up and say, do you want to do a marathon. They think that it's a joke. They think, are you kidding? Who's the crazy person coming and talking to me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They pulled -- soldier hand cranks, getting them to do races and asking them to join the Freedom Team. My name is Michael Cacher. I was injured in Afghanistan, June 18, 2008, while I was deployed with the 28th infantry division, National Guard.
In my head, I'd love to, I'd love to, but I can't. And they're like, why? I had a colostomy, my lungs collapsed, I can't breathe. They're like, don't worry, what's your goal? I said, my ultimate goal would be to do a marathon. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They brought me to New York. The hopes and possibilities, did that in June of 2010. Kind of caught the bug from there. This will be my sixth marathon, first New York City marathon.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was actually my first marathon, a Boston marathon. An unbelievable beginning to end experience that can never be -- well, pretty hard to beat. I won't say can't be toned, but pretty hard to top.
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HOLMES: Good luck to those guys and all the runners today. The marathon getting underway here in what, about 2-1/2 hours.
Coming up, Oklahoma once again did some shaking, a second earthquake in the past 24 hours. This one is the strongest on record for Oklahoma. Stay with us on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING.
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HOLMES: We are at the top of the hour on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING.
Good morning to you all.
A second earthquake in 24 hours in Oklahoma. And this one, the largest on record for the state.
Also this morning, Republican Herman Cain clashing with reporters again.
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REPORTER: Mr. Cain, an attorney for one of the women who filed a sexual harassment complaint --
HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Don't even go there! No, because --
REPORTER: Can I ask my question?
CAIN: Where is my chief of staff? Please send him the journalistic code of ethics.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: We are working on our code of ethics in journalism these days. Cain says we need to. He says he's not talking about the sexual harassment claims against him. Reporters, though, have not stopped asking.
Also this morning, more arrests and violence at several occupy protests around the country. In a few minutes, my interview with Reverend Jesse Jackson who says the occupy movement is much like the civil rights march on Washington. He says he is seeing the results.
This is your CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm T.J. Holmes. Thank you so much for spending time here with us.
And the folks in Oklahoma, whoo, they're feeling unsettled this morning. Another earthquake? This is two earthquakes now and a number of aftershocks. Some video we can show you here from Broken Arrow where there are reports of damaged homes and buildings. Highway 62 also reportedly buckled in a couple of places.
The U.S. Geological Survey says a magnitude 5.6 earthquake, that's the largest ever on record there in Oklahoma, said it hit just before midnight Eastern Time. They were feeling it during their late local news.
Watch this play by play now from our affiliate KYTV in Oklahoma City live on the air when the earthquake started.
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ED MURRAY, KWTV ANCHOR: Having an earthquake. Our lights shaking quite a bit. It's calming down as another earthquake has just hit. I still hear a few lights rattling in our studio. And we will -- we still have -- if you can see our duratran behind us, still shaking.
Here in Oklahoma City. We do not know the epicenter as it just now happened.
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HOLMES: You know, you -- you don't report on the news after it happens, sometimes it happens while you're live. But still -- OK, a couple things here.
REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Bring it on.
HOLMES: A lot of people don't think Oklahoma, they don't think earthquakes first of all. But now here we are, two earthquakes, and now we're told this is the largest on record.
What in the world is going on in Oklahoma?
WOLF: You have something that's called the New Majo (ph) fault line happening, that actually splits right through parts of the city of Oklahoma. It's very similar to any fault line you'll find anywhere else in the world. For example, say, the San Andreas Fault. And that being said, it's not as active as you will have in San Andreas or, say, along parts of the Pacific Rim.
But still, it certainly caused some damage. You see it there on the roadways, some structural damage. There was a person injured. Thankfully, no fatalities. But what's really mind-boggling about the whole situation is how far away this was felt. There are people in Wichita, people in Illinois, people in Texas.
They have reported feeling the shock of this earthquake, 5.6 magnitude. Again, not the most destructive earthquake but something you don't have every single day in Oklahoma. What's amazing is, though -- actually the biggest in history that you see on the screen, April 9th of 1952 that caused a 45-foot -- actually split through part of the state capitol. That was the biggest one ever. That was a 5.5. Last night's was 5.6.
So, if we had another that came, I would say, a 5.5, that would actually be considered an aftershock because, of course, you had the just 5.6. Anything that is in less frequency within relatively close proximity to what we just had is going to be considered an aftershock. Not unusual to have these in parts of Oklahoma.
I'm sorry, it is -- I misspoke. It's certainly unusual to have them in this frequency. It can happen because you're close to the fault line. But certainly something that's going to really rattle the windows in that part of the world -- certainly a kind of wake-up call to a lot of people.
Keep in mind earthquakes can happen anywhere on the planet. They can happen at the North Pole, they can happen at the South Pole. They can happen any spot you possibly think of.
Coming up, we're going to talk about that place that was affected by the earthquake and how the ground may be shaking very soon due to severe weather that may pop up over parts of Oklahoma, Texas, and maybe even Arkansas later tonight and into tomorrow. Could be a very active time there geologically speaking and meteorologically speaking as well. Both ways, T.J.
HOLMES: Reynolds, very impressive you got those words out after this late night you had.
WOLF: You have no idea.
HOLMES: All right. Reynolds, thanks, buddy. We'll talk to you here in just a minute.
We're at six minutes past the hour. We got to transition now to politics. And the Republican presidential candidate debate set -- I don't know if this lived up to the billing really. This was supposed to be a one-on-one, mano-a-mano, Newt Gingrich versus Herman Cain facing off in Texas. It was supposed to be a lively one-on-one debate in the style of the legendary Lincoln-Douglas debates.
It turned out they sat and complimented each other's ideas but they did go after President Obama. At one point, Gingrich likened President Obama to Bernie Madoff.
When Herman Cain, really, the fireworks for him started after the debate. The rule was that no one could ask about the sexual harassment claims during the debate. So the questions came up in the post-game. Didn't sit well with Herman Cain.
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CAIN: If you all listen, if you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time.
REPORTER: Could you sit down for the microphone for us, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. It's time for us to trade places, everybody. So, Mr. Cain, it's time for us to trade places.
CAIN: You see what I mean? You all -- I was going to do something that my staff told me to not to do and try to respond. OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are getting back on message, end of story, back on message.
Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts where everything has been answered in a story. We're getting back on message. OK?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: Maybe easier said than done. But again, trying to get back on message. But reporter still having those questions. We will continue to follow the Cain campaign, have more on it later.
Also, shocking, really disturbing story to turn to out of Pennsylvania now. It focuses attention on Penn State University's football program. It involves in particular that man, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. You might not know the name or the face, but he was an assistant for legendary head coach Joe Paterno for some 30 years.
Sandusky also ran an organization for less fortunate kids called Second Mile. Sandusky has now been arrested and charged with sexually abusing eight kids, all of them young boys. Prosecutors say it went on for 15 years, between '94 and 2009.
This is what the attorney general had to say about it, "This is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys." The details of the indictment are extremely disturbing.
Sandusky says he's innocent. Listen to his attorney.
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JOSEPH AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: He been aware of these allegations now for over three years. He came back to state college voluntarily last night. The other hand, I've seen count and cases like this where there are allegations of child abuse that involved hundreds of counts. So 40 actually in terms of perspective, in terms of the nature of the case and the allegations, it doesn't surprise me.
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HOLMES: As for Penn State, Joe Paterno, the coach, apparently brought the abuse allegations to the attention of the university in 2002. That was three years after Sandusky quit as coach. But Sandusky still had access to the school, often brought kids there. Two officials at the university are also facing charges for allegedly lying about what they knew. University president is standing by those two employees, saying, quote, "The allegations about a former coach are troubling, and it's appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly. Protecting children requires the utmost vigilance."
But about the two current employees he says, "I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless, and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately."
The indictment is the result of a three-year investigation, 67- year-old Sandusky is out on bail right now.
Well, at 10 minutes past the hour, let's turn to the Occupy movement. More arrest last night in Atlanta. Protests moved out of Woodruff Park at closing but started marching down the street. Police tried to break up the crowd, 19 people were arrested. Some of them after they allegedly knocked over a motorcycle cop.
Also in Washington, tempers flared when three Occupy protesters were hit by a car. Police let the driver of the car leave the scene which led to confrontations between protesters and police. The three people who were hit actually got tickets for crossing against the light.
Also in New York, around 20 protesters were arrested for clogging up sidewalks. They were marching down banks or toward banks, I should say, in the financial district. Organizers say the march was meant to support the Move Your Money Day efforts targeting big banks.
Still, 110,000 people without power in Connecticut. They don't have any lights, no heat right now. It's cold right about now. The power company is promising to have the lights on for 99 percent of their customers by tonight. The governor says he does not think Connecticut light and power will be able to get that done.
The power lines were knocked down by a big snowstorm more than a week ago.
Well, some people were calling it or at least it was billed, no doubt, as the game of the century. But did LSU, Alabama, one versus two, live up the hype last night? We'll let you decide.
Twelve past the hour. Stay with us.
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HOLMES: Good morning, Los Angeles. A little "California Love" this morning. It is 4:15 in the morning out there. Playing a little 2Pac this morning. We can use any excuse to use 2Pac around here, but we got a good reason this time.
This song made "TIME's" list -- "TIME" magazine's list of the 100 best songs of all time. "TIME" has been around since 1923. So, they went back and found the best songs since 1923. 2Pac, "California Love," made the cut. WOLF: Dude, I mean, that's from the soundtrack of my life. As I've always said you to, a day without 2Pac is a day that's not worth living. I mean, seriously. I mean, that's how I roll.
HOLMES: We were in college. I know I was in college when the album came out.
WOLF: Yes, it seems like yesterday.
HOLMES: It doesn't really. No, that was a long time ago.
Good morning to Reynolds once again.
We've been talking earthquakes and flying objects coming toward the earth. We need to talk some weather, too.
WOLF: Yes, we do. And, unfortunately, we've been talking about -- not unfortunately we've been talking about Oklahoma, but what's been happening in Oklahoma in terms of the earthquakes. Now something else is coming that's going to be fairly big, too, and it's starting out to the west. Well, it doesn't look too impressive for the time being.
You see some scattered showers in California, the San Joaquin Valley. Also in parts of the Sierra Nevada. A little bit of snow coming through. Even some on just the top of Mt. Shasta.
But what we're going to see is the storm system that's bringing that snowfall make its way off toward the east. As it does so, it's going to interact with a lot of warm air that's coming from the Gulf of Mexico. High humidity can be expected for much of the central and southern plains.
And look at what is going to happen. We're going to see that low make its way to the east, it's going to interact with the moisture, scattered showers first.
But then as we make our way into Monday evening, Monday afternoon, Monday evening, and then overnight, there's the potential that we could se a severe weather outbreak for parts of Oklahoma, perhaps into portions of the Midwest like Chicago, Iowa, and the Corn Belt, and the back half of the system. Possibly snowfall for the front range of the Rockies and into Kansas.
Something we have to keep a sharp eye on, especially later today and into tomorrow. And by Tuesday morning, we could be talking the potential for damage. Hope it doesn't happen. But it's our job to let people know what might be coming. It looks like severe weather potential for parts of the southern plains, maybe into the Midwest.
HOLMES: All right. Reynolds, thank you.
We're 17 past the hour. Reynolds and I were talking it a lot yesterday. The whole country was talking about this. One versus two, many billed it as the game of the century.
And some will say it didn't live up to the billing. What do you say?
WOLF: I say it did, absolutely.
HOLMES: Absolutely. But you know, a lot of people like a lot of scoring. This was a smash-mouth football game, the best defenses in the country.
One versus two, LSU versus Alabama in Tuscaloosa, mind you. And LSU goes in there and wins where teams just don't go in there and win, the score, 9-6. It even went into overtime last night, 6-6 at the end of regulation. That's a good game.
It's amazing game. What's really interesting, too, is it may be sort of a passing of the torch in ways. There are a lot of people at LSU that have been holding Miles as a little bit -- they haven't embraced it.
Yes. They had a great affinity for Coach Saban. Coach Saban, of course, brought LSU to the a national title. Now, when Miles did it, Miles also won a title at LSU. They said he did it with Saban's players.
Now, we're seeing again Miles going in, winning a big game. I got to tell you, LSU has not had an undefeated seen since 1958. So, it looks like they might be getting --
HOLMES: Another chance.
WOLF: Really. What team are they playing toward the end of the season?
HOLMES: The Arkansas Razorbacks.
WOLF: The Razorbacks.
HOLMES: LSU will not go undefeated.
WOLF: It could be interesting.
How the Razorbacks do last night?
HOLMES: They beat South Carolina -- beat the mess out of them.
WOLF: The mess?
HOLMES: I wanted to say something else but that's all I could go with.
Reynolds, thank you.
Nineteen minutes past the hour. "Occupy Atlanta," the "Occupy" movement across the country getting a helping hand from a number of civil rights-era icons, including Reverend Jesse Jackson. He's offering some advice.
You'll hear it next. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HOLMES: Twenty-two minutes past the hour now.
Reverend Jesse Jackson, Minister Andrew Young, Reverend Joseph Lowery, heavyweight names from the civil rights movement, are now offering support and advice to the "Occupy" movement.
This weekend, I talked to Reverend Jackson. He told me of the parallels he sees between the "Occupy" movement and the last campaign of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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REV. JESSE JACKSON, RAIN/PUSH COALITION: In many ways, this is a newer version of Dr. King's last effort, the poor people's campaign. His mission was to occupy the Mall in Washington, D.C.
We call it resurrection city. Dr. Abernathy appointed me to be the mayor of that city. We were sent there for more than a month choosing people to choose the war on poverty at home, to revive the war, rather the war in Vietnam. He felt that bombs dropped in Vietnam would explode in our cities.
(INAUDIBLE) if we kept giving more privileges to the wealthy and more and more war, and no money left for social uplift, Dr. King called it moral and spiritual bankruptcy.
Today, we fight the same challenges, T.J. More and more -- fewer and fewer have more and more, very expensive wars and poverty is on the expansion.
HOLMES: Are they getting results yet, the "Occupy" movement?
JACKSON: They're getting attention for discussing poverty for a change. Secondly, last week, we saw the banks back down off of a fee. Banks have been making money off of origination of loans. They made money off of private mortgage insurance. They made money off of the excessive fees, off of foreclosures. They got bailed out of lending, not reinvestments.
They've just made money over money over money. So, because it's been -- I might add that student loan debt is greater than credit debt because of the present scheme of, in fact, obstructing education.
HOLMES: But to talk about it and get the attention. But at some point, is the "Occupy" movement to have to get more organized to get results? Because you have them popping up in so many cities. And frankly, we're seeing some ugly scenes, including Oakland, that's getting a lot attention and taking away from the message.
JACKSON: But the common theme is economic disparity. The wealth gap, the health access gap, the education gap, the income gap, that's the theme.
Now, that incident in Oakland did not really describe the movement of Oakland's economic justice. And when it did happen, those who were the occupiers stood between them and that activity.
Unlike Memphis, Dr. King leading a march for collective bargaining for sanitation workers, the back of the line were some provocateurs who throwing bricks on us. They would rather cover the bricks than the banks.
This issue is about bank behavior. It's about removing the Glass-Steagall where they have option to lending and investing. They chose investing over lending -- whereas we have huge bodies of foreclosed homes, churches, and some communities.
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We're going to take a break on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING, then I'm right back with you.
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HOLMES: Good morning, Washington, D.C. Lovely morning it appears to be there in Washington, D.C.
We're listening to a little Led Zeppelin this morning. This is one of "TIME" magazine's all-time 100 best songs. The list came out not long ago. They put this list together, sharing some these songs with you this morning. We'll continue to do so.
Well, for you travelers out there, listen to this -- new concern about those body scanners at airport security checkpoints.
The TSA is promising Congress it will perform new safety test after new investigations showed that the X-ray scanners could increase risk of cancer. TSA uses two types of scanners. There are 264 scanners out there called millimeter scanners. These use radio technology not linked to cancer. But 250 are X-ray scanners. These are the ones that are causing some concern.
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MICHAEL GRABELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, PROPUBLICA: This is ionizing radiation which we know damages DNA and increases the risk of cancer. The National Academy of Sciences has looked at this -- has looked at the issue of low levels of ionizing radiation and said there's no low level at which the risk -- the increase -- the risk of cancer is zero.
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HOLMES: Something else to keep an eye on. I'll be back at the top as CNN SUNDAY MORNING continues.
