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Nancy Grace
Search Intensifies for Missing Washington 2-Year-Old
Aired November 14, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Washington state. Mystery surrounding the disappearance of a 2-year-old little boy, vanishing from Mommy`s Acura sports car after she claims to run out of gas, then leaves the car on the side of the road, taking the 4-year-old sister but leaving the 2-year-old baby boy, asleep, still strapped in the carseat, behind. Cops say no forced entry on the car, and the car starts right up, no engine problems.
Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Daddy reveals he absolutely does not believe Mommy`s story and submits to a second polygraph. As cops set up a checkpoint Charlie, stopping traffic and pedestrians for miles, police also go door-to-door in Mommy`s apartment complex, begging for tips. As police determine a ransom note was just a hoax, the FBI takes the search international. Tonight, where is 2-year-old baby Sky?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports police considering turning the case of missing 2-year-old Sky into a criminal investigation.
GRACE: I understand not long ago, you and your wife left the baby in the car while you went into Target?
SOLOMON METALWALA, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: That`s the worst mistake I`ve ever made in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can`t imagine how his ex could have done it again.
GRACE: What were you thinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That would have been more believable than what she gives as her story where the car has gotten (ph) out of the gas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My stomach is telling me this is not good for baby Sky.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing prepared him for the news that Sky has disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cops say it`s a, quote, "strategic decision" not to charge her for allegedly abandoning the baby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The second polygraph that he has taken.
METALWALA: She was my wife. She had a routine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She couldn`t handle the dirt.
METALWALA: Six, seven hours. She would clean the whole house. She kept on saying that she wanted to kill herself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do we know more today than we did yesterday about what happened? And I would say no, we don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sky`s mom still refuses to meet with police.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keeping hope alive through faith that his son is indeed alive.
METALWALA: I (INAUDIBLE) I believe that my son is coming back home. That`s what I believe.
I would tell Julia, Please, if you know anything about Sky`s disappearance, please come and tell the authorities so they can find him and -- so they can find him.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Daddy reveals he absolutely does not believe Mommy`s story, as Daddy voluntarily takes a second polygraph. Cops setting up a checkpoint Charlie, stopping traffic and pedestrians for miles as they also go door-to-door in Mommy`s apartment complex, begging people for tips. Police determine a ransom note was just a hoax. As the FBI takes the search international, tonight, where is 2- year-old baby Sky?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you hear this story that Mom has told, you have to scratch your head and wonder why.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A new report says police will discuss switching the focus of the case from a missing person search to a criminal investigation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why did she leave him in the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother`s story is falling apart day to day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother is the last to have seen the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She ran out of gas and walked more than a mile to this gas Bellevue station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would you leave a 2-year-old in the car? It certainly looks suspicious.
GRACE: How did she clean the bathroom?
METALWALA: Every inch, every corner, Windexed the mirror before and after she used the bathroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They set up a checkpoint near where Sky disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s still many, many questions about the car and her actions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looks suspicious, and we`re puzzled by that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to make a public invitation to Julia via her attorney and let her know that we are open and willing to interview her and take information from her whenever she`s ready to do that. At this point, the issue of forcing her in...
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GRACE: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls. Mystery intensifies around the search for 2-year-old baby Sky. Mommy insists she was taking the baby to the hospital, but when she runs out of gas, she drops the car off on the side of the road, leaving baby Sky strapped in a carseat asleep, but takes her 4-year-old little girl with her, comes back an hour-and-a-half later and says baby Sky is gone.
Liz, let`s cue up that episode of "SVU," Mommy`s favorite "Law and Order" show that aired the night before, coincidentally, the same plotline. And then the next morning, baby Sky goes missing.
A lot of developments in the last 24 hours, police canvassing Mommy`s apartment complex, going door-to-door, begging people for help. They as they set up a checkpoint Charlie, stopping pedestrians and traffic for miles, trying to get tips.
We`re taking your calls live. Straight out to David Lohr, senior crime reporter, HuffingtonPost. David, what are you hearing?
DAVID LOHR, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM: Well, Nancy, we know, on Saturday, there was 140 members of law enforcement and some community volunteers conducted a search around the apartment complex. They also used the aerial search and they had some officers on horseback.
Then Sunday, the following day, they had actually set up a checkpoint where, along the route the mother would have taken, they were hoping that someone who regularly drives that route might have seen something on the day that she left the child inside the car.
GRACE: You know what, David Lohr? That was smart because they set up a checkpoint Charlie, like a roadblock, everybody, at the time and the day where previous, the baby goes missing. So hopefully, the same people will be going to church or on their errands or to their job at that same time the following Sunday, trying to find out what they could. That was very good police work, as a matter of fact, David Lohr.
Did they get any tips?
LOHR: They received about half a dozen tips that they said they`re actively investigating. So to date, they`ve investigated about 450 tips altogether.
GRACE: With me, David Lohr, senior crime reporter, HuffingtonPost.
Joining me right now exclusively in primetime in Solomon Metalwala. This is baby Sky`s biological father. He is looking for his son. He calls him his "little dude." And if you see -- Liz, let me see that shot of Solomon with his son. They look exactly alike. When this whole case started, I said, OK, give me a DNA, make sure this is the baby`s biological father. You know what? I don`t need a test. My own eyes tell me this is his baby.
Also with him, Clay Terry out of Seattle, high-profile lawyer in that jurisdiction. Take a look at this. I don`t need a DNA test to tell me who`s daddy -- who`s the daddy here.
OK, Solomon Metalwala is with us right now, joining us out of Seattle. He`s been leading the search for his son. Solomon, you voluntarily agreed to take a second polygraph after your first one was inconclusive. Did you take a poly?
SOLOMON METALWALA, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: Yes.
GRACE: Well, good for you. Did you go to police headquarters to do it?
METALWALA: No. We went to the FBI headquarters. (INAUDIBLE) say?
LESLIE CLAY TERRY III, SOLOMON METALWALA`S ATTORNEY: Yes, FBI.
GRACE: Oh, I see. So Clay, you guys went to the FBI?
TERRY: Yes, we went down to the FBI headquarters in Seattle at their request. It was not taken by the Bellevue Police Department.
GRACE: Good to know. Solomon, did they ask you generally the same questions they asked you last time?
METALWALA: I believe we`re not supposed to discuss that right now.
GRACE: What about that, Clay Terry?
TERRY: Yes, we`ve made agreement not to discuss the polygraph, for reasons which we`ll disclose later.
GRACE: OK. I understand they may have asked you some questions specific to the investigation. I got it. Clay, did they tell you if he passed this time?
TERRY: No. The agreement was we would not discuss it at all, and I think you understand why as a former prosecutor.
GRACE: I do.
TERRY: So we agreed not to do that.
GRACE: I understand.
TERRY: But he`s volunteered, and he`s -- yes. So he`s always ready to assist law enforcement in any way.
GRACE: Solomon, where were you at the time baby Sky went missing? Where exactly were you?
METALWALA: I was at home, getting ready to go to church.
GRACE: Solomon, we`ve been doing a little bit of investigating, and it`s my understanding that there is actually a hospital very close to Mommy`s apartment. Number one, why was she taking Sky to the hospital? What was the nature of his illness? And two, why didn`t she go to Evergreen Hospital -- excuse me, Swedish Medical Center, only a mile away? What do you know, Solomon?
METALWALA: No, I didn`t think about that. Yes, I don`t know why would she go to -- only reason I can think of is maybe because she`s been to Overlake before. That`s the only thing I can think of.
GRACE: And what was the nature of his illness, Solomon? Why was he having to go to the hospital?
METALWALA: I don`t know. I haven`t seen him, remember?
GRACE: Clay Terry, what do we know? Because, you know, if you`re taking the baby to the hospital, it`s that sick you`ve got to go to the hospital, the emergency room, why would you leave the baby in the car? What was the nature of baby Sky`s illness, do you know, Clay?
TERRY: Well, we`ve heard some rumors that she said that the baby was ill and she was concerned enough to get up, get the baby dressed at 7:00, 7:30 in the morning, get the baby in the car with -- along with the daughter, strapped them into the carseats and then take them. And instead of going to Evergreen Hospital, she decided to go over to Overlake. And as Solomon said, it may have been because she was familiar with the hospital.
But she even took -- I mean, we don`t even know -- we don`t know what was wrong, and we can`t understand how anyone would leave a sick child in the car and then leave him there for over an hour.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Melinda in Alabama. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I want to know -- you know, they were in mediation, and maybe I`ve missed the answer to this, but where was the children at when they were in mediation for the divorce and child custody?
GRACE: You mean where were the children physically while they were doing mediation?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, ma`am, because that (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: OK, what about it, Clay Terry? When they were doing mediation, where were the children?
TERRY: Thank you, Melinda. That`s a good question. We understand that during the mediation -- and we -- and I was there during the entire mediation, over -- almost 12 hours -- the child -- the children were at home without supervision.
GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls as the search intensifies for baby Sky. It goes international. And did bloodhounds hit on the scent of this little boy? Take a look at baby Sky, tip line 425-452-2564. Does Mommy know where baby Sky is?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sky has disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But officials are scrutinizing the mother`s story.
GRACE: Mommy says that she apparently ran out of gas, walked over a mile to the closest gas station.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they arrived to find the vehicle in question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They found 2.2 gallons of gas still in the tank.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are finally saying, yes, they suspect foul play in this disappearance.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we`ve tried to do is present the facts.
GRACE: The search for 2-year-old baby Sky.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother is the last to have seen the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not a single relative has seen Sky.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother told police her car ran out of gas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Got out of the car, left Sky.
GRACE: Baby Sky is gone!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The test drive of Julia`s vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... 2.2 gallons of gas still in tank.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) roll-up door of the garage opened, and the silver 1998 Acura Integra sprinted out.
GRACE: No electrical or engine problems at all.
METALWALA: She has done something. I don`t know what she has done.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officials are scrutinizing the mother`s story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if that casts suspicion on Julia, I think it - - it`s the facts speaking, not us.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to make a public invitation to Julia via her attorney and let her know that we are open and willing to interview her and take information from her whenever she`s ready to do that.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Where is baby Sky? With every hour that passes, it`s less likely that he will be found alive. That is the harsh reality. We`re doing our part. Will you? Take a look at baby Sky.
I want to go straight back out to our reporters. Let`s go to Michael Board, WOAI. Michael, so much has been happening in the last 24 hours. Daddy says he absolutely does not believe Mommy`s story as he suits up for a second polygraph. But what can you tell me about a bloodhound picking up on baby Sky`s scent?
MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI (via telephone): Yes, we do believe that it is possible that an arrest in this case is imminent this evening. That`s what we`re hearing from sources right now.
Also, what`s really interesting -- there was a press conference today by police in this area, and they were talking about the investigation of this case and they brought up something very interesting. They said one of the things they are not ruling out in this case is the possibility that baby Sky was taken from this country.
And they specifically -- they were -- police were asked, you know, Is the mother allowed to leave the country? And the police specifically talked about this. They said that you know, if she is making plans to leave the country, that they`d like to discuss that with her. So this is one of the things that police are taking seriously, as other -- are other possibilities in this case.
GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, cops are considering an arrest because of child neglect, leaving the child on the side of the street. What`s their strategy?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, they say that they are considering those charges. However, they are still hoping that she might cooperate with them, might still come in for a face-to-face interview or even take a polygraph test. And they say they do not want to pursue charges at the moment. This is yesterday. They said not right now, but it could happen today that they would charge her in order to get more cooperation.
GRACE: I want to go back to Solomon. This is baby Sky`s father, and the lawyer, Clay Terry. Your lawyer just advised us that when you guys were in mediation, the babies were at home alone, unsupervised. Now, this is after you left him alone in the car and went into Target with your wife.
You leave him alone during mediation? What, am I the crazy one in this scenario? What were -- why did you leave the children alone so you could go mediate, Solomon?
TERRY: Nancy, let me answer this. He did not have custody of the children. The children were left alone by Julia.
GRACE: All right.
TERRY: He has not been allowed to see the children since December.
GRACE: OK. All right. So that clears that up. So there`s no use in me screaming at Solomon about that. But what I`m screaming tonight, Clay Terry, is they left him alone in the car for Target. Mommy leaves him alone to go to mediation. That`s insane, to leave two children -- my children just turned 4. What could have happened with them alone in an apartment? All kind of stuff could happen! Why hasn`t she been arrested for child neglect, for Pete`s sake, Clay Terry?
TERRY: We don`t know. We hope that she will be. But we -- we want - - our primary concern is to find out what happened to the child. But Nancy, once they made a mistake...
GRACE: Well, hey, did you ever think...
TERRY: ... and should never have made that mistake again...
GRACE: ... Clay...
TERRY: I`m sorry?
GRACE: Wouldn`t you think, Clay, that once she`s behind bars, she might crack and tell us something?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Julia Biryukova told police she left him in her car in Bellevue. She says the car ran out of gas and that she and her 4- year-old daughter went for help. She says Sky was missing when they got back to the car.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A toddler shoe has been found near the area where a 2-year-old boy`s disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say they were told Sky did not have shoes on when he went missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would she leave her baby boy strapped in a carseat?
GRACE: You and your wife left the baby in the car. What were you thinking?
METALWALA: That`s the worst mistake I`ve ever made.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s left her children alone for hours at a time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sky and his sister were left to fend for themselves while their mother had her hair cut, went shoe shopping and spent 12 hours in divorce mediation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole thing doesn`t add up. I mean, just over and over, there`s so many inconsistencies.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight out of New York, defense attorney Lauren Lake, out of Atlanta, veteran trial lawyer Randy Kessler. And Liz, if you don`t mind, throw up Woody Tripp, W.W. Tripp, former police commander, polygraph expert. You`ve been around the block a couple of times, Woody.
All right, Lauren Lake, let`s start with you. Lauren, guess what I found out? You know Mommy refuses to talk to cops, but this week, this past week, I found out she had no trouble going on FaceBook, accepting new friends. She`s got plenty of time on her hands if she`s on FaceBook. But why not talk to cops, Lauren Lake?
LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Because her lawyer has probably told her, and I`m pretty sure her lawyer has told her, to be quiet. Nancy, you know they`re looking at this woman. And as a mother, let`s be honest, this story does not make any sense. However, the police do not have enough evidence to arrest her.
GRACE: Put Lauren up!
LAKE: She`s not a suspect or a person of interest at this time.
GRACE: Lauren -- Lauren?
LAKE: Yes?
GRACE: Cross-examination question. This is a yes/no. Do you have children?
LAKE: Yes. Proudly, yes.
GRACE: So if one of them went missing, you really want me to believe you, Lauren Lake, would be on FaceBook instead of out looking for your baby? Yes, I don`t think so! OK, weigh in, Kessler!
LAKE: Nancy, I said, as a mother, that doesn`t make sense! I said that!
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RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`m telling you, that`s why...
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) Kessler.
KESSLER: That`s why they have not arrested her, so that she would do things like that. If they arrested her, she`s not going to FaceBook from jail. They`re not going to follow her from jail. They`re not going to wiretap her from jail. When she`s out in public, they may catch her doing something. She should stay off FaceBook.
GRACE: Smart, Kessler.
KESSLER: She should keep quiet.
GRACE: OK, Lauren Lake, I got to give you credit. You at least did, you know, take off your defense hat for just a minute and speak as a mommy.
OK, Woodrow Tripp, Daddy has an inconclusive on the polygraph. That`s not good. But I know for a fact he was not around when baby Sky goes missing, and he does voluntarily agree to a second poly. What about it?
WOODROW TRIPP, FMR. POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: I see nothing but cooperation from the dad in this? Obviously, the mother didn`t follow the whole "CSI" (SIC) thing through. I don`t know if her remote broke or what, but she probably should have stayed tuned because this is not going to turn out well for her, ultimately.
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METALWALA: Please just return him back.
You (ph) don`t (ph) get up in the morning to find out your child is missing.
What is she thinking?
If she`s not in her right mind, something (INAUDIBLE) happen. She`s done something with Sky. I don`t know what.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The reporters are considering her a suspect. They are asking very pointed questions. They want to talk to her and she ain`t talking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re still looking at, have they looked at the family members or anyone, I mean because the note kind of sounds kind of fishy to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It surfaced on a Facebook page and this is a page that was started by a person who wants to remain anonymous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s still quite a few questions that have to be answered about this note. Number one, who wrote it. Is it legit? Is it a scam?
PENNY DOUGLASS FURR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think this woman should get an attorney immediately and get into the interview.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": She knows there`s no reason to be at her house waiting for the baby because the baby is gone, gone, gone. And she knows where the baby is.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s a confused woman who arguably has lost a child who was left in a car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope that after the weekend activity I would give you sort of an update on the status of the investigation and maybe a shift in focus.
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GRACE: We are live and taking your calls in the search for 2-year-old baby Sky.
Out to Marc Klaas, president and founder, KlaasKids Foundation.
Marc, weigh in. This is as we know police are taking the search international.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, thank you, Nancy, and good evening. If the little boy has a passport it seems to me they should be able to determine whether or not that passport has been used and whether or not he has been taken out of the country. The same goes for the mom. If she has a passport I think it would not be that difficult to confiscate her passport or disallow her from leaving the country as long as the ongoing investigation is paramount.
And certainly, I don`t think -- I think the only mystery here is what did she do with that little boy? There is so much information pointing to this woman. She`s not searching for her own child. She`s refusing to cooperate. That somehow or other she needs to be broken down and she needs to tell the truth so that this enduring mystery can come to a conclusion.
GRACE: Marc Klaas, take a listen to the "Law & Order SVU" that aired the night before. This is mommy`s favorite show.
Roll it, Liz, please.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took the car. Nate was in the back seat. I was only gone for a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What, are you thinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He needed a diaper. I didn`t want to wake him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you thinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They stole my car. My son was in the back seat. Someone stole my baby. Someone stole my son.
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GRACE: OK. Marc Klaas, mommy`s favorite show, that was an episode of "Law & Order" and it aired the night before baby Sky goes missing.
KLAAS: And we`ve had this conversation many times about coincidence and crime. If there really are no coincidences in crime, and if this woman is watching this show and she gets it through her head that she`s going to -- over the course of the next several hours, that this is the way to solve whatever perceived problems she thinks she has, she`s -- I would guess has probably pulled that trigger.
GRACE: You know, I`m completely intrigued by the fact that this is mommy`s favorite show and she likely watched it the night before baby Sky goes missing.
Back to Solomon, this is baby Sky`s father, along with him and taking your calls, I might add, he`s not afraid to take in your calls which is commendable, is Clay Terry.
OK, Solomon, two things. Number one, you tell us this is mommy`s favorite show, correct?
SOLOMON METALWALA, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD SKY: Correct.
GRACE: And number two, I`ve analyzed over and over what you told me about your wife being obsessive compulsive. And I`m just -- out of curiosity -- everyone, this is we think an arrest of mommy is imminent but on other charges specifically child neglect or abuse. Not on kidnap or murder.
You know, being behind bars has a funny way, kind of acts like a meat tenderizer, the kind that makes you to start talking when you wouldn`t talk before.
Solomon, I want you to explain to the viewers that are just joining us this obsessive compulsive disorder your wife had -- has. How did it manifest? What would you observe?
METALWALA: Well, she has a pattern of cleaning. She cannot stand dust over the counters. So for her to be at ease she would need to wipe out every surface of the house. So she wouldn`t see any dust. Shall I go into more details?
GRACE: OK. What is this business about her refusing to let you use the commode?
METALWALA: OK. She`s --
GRACE: Yes?
METALWALA: OK. She has -- it`s very hard to talk about this. She --
GRACE: I know that you are upset. I understand that she would not let you use the commode. What happened?
METALWALA: I was not allowed to. I wasn`t allowed to.
GRACE: But why?
METALWALA: Just wasn`t allowed to.
LESLIE CLAY TERRY III, ATTORNEY FOR FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD: Nancy?
GRACE: Did she think that you would leave germs? Was she that obsessed with cleaning? METALWALA: Well, I mean she used it. That wasn`t a problem. But she told me I couldn`t use it.
GRACE: I also understand that she refused to store any food in the home. Why?
METALWALA: Because if we ate at home, that means she would have to clean up the whole entire area. But she did that anyway. So it would just create more of a mess and she didn`t like messes.
GRACE: Is it true that she would keep the family out of the home while she was cleaning?
METALWALA: Yes.
GRACE: Where would you guys go?
METALWALA: When we had Miley, we would go to the mall, we would go to Toys R` Us, we would go to Christy (ph), just public places and when it was summertime we would go out to the park, stuff like that.
GRACE: Solomon, listen. Can I tell you how many rainy days I and the twins would be in McDonald`s crawling up the play station, Chick Fil-A, you name it, I`ve been there.
I got to ask you a question. Her cleaning obsession, Solomon, did it extend to the children? Was she obsessed about them being clean as well?
METALWALA: Yes. Yes. They -- washing of the hands was very important. We had to wash our hands when we came from -- if we left -- say we were at our mom`s we would have to wash our hands at my mom`s house and then when we come home we have to wash our hands so wherever we left we had to wash our hands and when we came home -- actually when we came home you would have to go into the shower.
GRACE: You`d have to take a shower when you got home from visiting?
METALWALA: Yes. And then -- because it would be nighttime. Then we would just go to sleep.
GRACE: OK. Let me ask you this. How did she deal with baby Sky`s poopy pants?
METALWALA: Well, all the -- see, we had -- since we lived in the condo, the garbage chute was on the same floor. So the -- if there was any garbage, it would go -- it would be thrown outside right away.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What happened to Sky?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are finally saying yes, they suspect foul play in this disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Not a single relative has seen Sky.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sky`s mom still refuses to meet with police.
METALWALA: Her story does not add up.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cops say it`s a, quote, "strategic decision not to charge her for allegedly abandoning the baby."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her brother, her mother, no one has come forward to say well, we saw Sky.
METALWALA: She kept on saying that she wanted to kill herself. And she said it so much that Miley started to repeat, I want to kill myself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve only been able to locate one person that`s seen Sky within the last two weeks and that was a neighbor.
METALWALA: She has done something. I don`t know what she has done.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are live and taking your calls in our help -- in our effort to find baby Sky.
To Dr. Ann Contrucci, pediatrician, joining us out of Atlanta.
Dr. Ann, you know, I met you in the ER. You know all of this is familiar to you that we`re talking about. But you just heard what the daddy said? A 2-year-old boy is an eating, pooping, vomiting, mud machine.
DR. ANN CONTRUCCI, PEDIATRICIAN: Absolutely.
GRACE: All right? That`s what they are. Girls, too, to a certain extent but boys, I think, you know, exponentially more so.
CONTRUCCI: A different level.
GRACE: So, yes. So how would this affect someone with OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder.
CONTRUCCI: Wow. I mean if she wasn`t on medication for it, it would just take her up to a whole another level. You know in terms of just not being able to control the situation, not being able to keep him clean enough, you know, and then the obsessive thoughts, et cetera. It just -- it just would snowball, absolutely snowball. Very, very worrisome. Very worrisome.
GRACE: And you know, every morning when you -- I mean my twins are still -- are 4 now. Every morning I wake up and somehow they get -- they get messy overnight. You know, that`s just the way that they are. And, you know, the crazy thing is I don`t want anybody else to change their poopy pants. I want mommy to do it because Mommy cares, and everything is going to be just right.
But I can imagine, Dr. Ann, all the instances that arise where a child would absolutely get filthy. And another thing, Dr. Ann, what about the child being so sick it had to go the hospital and being left in the car?
CONTRUCCI: I mean it`s another just worrisome thing on so many levels. How do you leave a 2-year-old if he`s really sick -- and the bottom line is, too, if he was really terribly ill, you know, what do I tell people? You go to the closest hospital. You don`t go, let`s pick the one -- I don`t know, a few more miles away.
I mean, you know, was this child really ill? Is this just part of some fabricated story, I don`t know. But why would you leave the child? Why would you in any way, shape or form leave the child? We --
GRACE: You know --
CONTRUCCI: I don`t get it.
GRACE: Dr. Ann, I`m trying to remember if I met you when we thought John David broke his toe at my gym or when we thought Lucy hurt her arm.
CONTRUCCI: It`s the arm.
GRACE: Remember when they were going to try -- yes. When they were going to try to take the X-ray and I nutted up out in the hall and broken the x-ray room, remember that? So the thought of leaving the baby in the car, have you ever seen a mom do that?
CONTRUCCI: No. I mean it`s just again, you know, when you got a sick child you`re, you know, right there on top it. You know what do I need to do to get my baby better. I mean you know, you`ve been there. You know, you`re stressed out. You`re not going to leave the kid. Well, let`s just leave him in the five point restraint. I`m sure he`ll be fine. I`ll be back in a while. What?
GRACE: Exactly. And in your experience, I mean I remember when I absolutely busted through the door of the x-ray room and Lucy was fine. She was like hey, mommy. And I was the one crying and upset.
But how many times have you seen a mom voluntarily separate from the baby, Dr. Ann?
CONTRUCCI: No. It`s very difficult. You know some of the procedures, great example, some of the procedures we have to do, when we do spinal taps for instance. Very traumatic for parents to watch.
I typically, you know, don`t even let them in the room because I`ve had them pass out or whatever. I mean it`s very traumatic to be separated from your baby or your child. So we just don`t do that. And as a mom, I mean I`m a mom, too. And you just don`t do that.
I remember my son had some major surgery last year. It was -- you should have seen me crawling the walls, waiting for him to come out of surgery because I couldn`t be in there.
GRACE: You know, Dr. Ann Contrucci, you actually -- if you could see the hair, I`m getting chills all over thinking of one of my twins being separated from me while they are sick or they`re having some procedure done.
To clinical psychologist, Dr. Leslie Seppinni, joining us from L.A. Weigh in, Leslie.
LESLIE SEPPINNI, PSY.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, I find this case fascinating because she has OCD. OCD goes in combination often with anti-social personality disorder, meaning a sociopathic personality type disorder. And so I`m not surprised that she could leave her children alone.
I`m not surprised that the mounting circumstantial evidence is every where and that she refuses to speak to the police, knowing that she already knows that her child is, unfortunately, gone.
GRACE: You know, back to David Lohr, senior crime reporter with the "Huffington Post." It`s just all hitting way too close to home for me and just this discussion of voluntarily leaving your baby.
I was talking to Dr. Ann Contrucci about the day Lucy we thought had hurt her arm and being on the other side of the door. And just with a door between us I completely nutted up, I couldn`t take it. And as soon as they turned their backs I ran in there and messed up the X-rays.
So, David Lohr, just very quickly, give me the bare bone scenario that we know for sure happened that day?
DAVID LOHR, SENIOR CRIME REPORTER, THE HUFFINGTON POST: Well, you know, that`s it. We don`t know a lot of what happened for sure. She claims she was taking the child to the hospital. Said the car broke down. She went to get gas. Left him in the car. Came back. He was gone.
You know obviously the story doesn`t make any sense. She knows exactly what happened to the child. And unfortunately she`s not cooperating with law enforcement, filling in any of the holes for us.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Cami in Wisconsin. Hi, Cami. What`s your question?
CAMI, CALLER FROM WISCONSIN: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say that you are awesome, awesome, awesome, and I thank you for everything that you do. And I`m just wondering why at this point was the mother not at least arrested for child abandonment, and/or abuse?
GRACE: You know what? We are believing, we are hearing that mommy`s arrest for child neglect is imminent.
Unleash the lawyers. Lauren Lake, Randy Kessler.
Randy Kessler, child neglect, what has to be proved?
RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Willful neglect of a child that could cause criminal damage to a child. This clearly fits criminal neglect. You know I imagine she`s going to be interested any minute now.
Her mistake as a mother was leaving the child alone. Her mistake as a client, though, was talking to the police in the first place. She shouldn`t say another word, she should be psychologically evaluated privately by the lawyer and the lawyer`s psychologist. And the worse develop a strategy. She can`t say anything else.
GRACE: Lauren?
LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. He`s correct. What we`re finding out, Nancy, is as suspicious as her behavior is we are getting concrete evidence that this woman had some mental health issues, and these things have affected the way she`s treated her children and if, in fact, she is found to be criminally responsible for baby Sky`s disappearance those mental health issues are going to be very important.
GRACE: Here we go. Here we go with the insanity defense.
LAKE: Here we go.
GRACE: Very quickly. We`re going to break. We`re taking your calls.
Case alert. The search for a 5-year-old little girl, Jehessye Schockley, last seen at her Glendale, Arizona, home with three older siblings. Mommy says she comes home from errands to find the front door, Jahessye gone. Jehessye, 3`5", 55 pounds, black hair, brown eyes, wearing a white shirt and blue jeans.
If you have any info -- look at that smile -- please call Glendale Police, 623-930-4357.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This is the Bellevue Street where a week ago Julia Biryukova parked her car and walked away with her daughter. Leaving her 2-year-old son behind, she claims, while she went for gas. Investigators were back making voluntary traffic stops and talking with walkers and joggers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anybody that was in this area last week, we want to talk to them if they saw --
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Where is baby Sky?
Heidi in North -- in New Hampshire. Hi, Heidi, what`s your question?
HEIDI, CALLER FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE: My question is for the father. Considering he knew her mental health issues even before they started the divorce, why didn`t he try to petition the court for custody of his children?
GRACE: Good question. What about it, Solomon?
METALWALA: I`m going to have my attorney answer that one.
GRACE: OK. Explain it, Clay Terry.
TERRY: Thank you. We did that exactly. We tried since January to get this child out of the custody. We had custody joint and then they took it away with a false allegation. We tried to get it back. The court would not do it. We predicted this mental illness.
GRACE: OK.
TERRY: We predicted there would be danger to the children. We stated it in two separate motions. And the judge -- the commissioner in the family court did not believe us.
GRACE: They went with the mom.
To Woody Tripp, former police commander.
Woody, you`ve been on a million crime scenes. How often have you seen mommy willingly separate from baby?
WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: That`s just it. There`s no willingly separate in this case. She willingly separated, but it certainly is by her own choice.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember. Army Sergeant Anthony Magee, 29, Collins, Mississippi. Killed in Afghanistan. Awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, National Defense Service medal, Good Conduct medal. Loved traveling, basketball, family, friends. Leaves behind parents, Tony and Patricia, three brothers, one sister. Widow, Courtney. Son, Cameron.
Anthony Magee, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And happy birthday, 90th, to Georgia friend, Trotty, mother of five, grandmother of eight. Avid reader. Speaks three languages. Motto, you`re never too old and it`s never too late.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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