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Video Reveals Mistreatment of Hens; Most Wanted Libyan Captured; Super Committee Deadline Looms; Google Music Launches New Service
Aired November 19, 2011 - 19:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon. You're in THE CNN NEWSROOM.
We begin tonight with a story that is tough t watch. It is graphic and it is sickening. But it will probably make you think twice the next time you order eggs from a fast food restaurant.
CNN affiliate WGN has the disturbing details. Again, viewer discretion is advised.
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REPORTER (via telephone): Hundreds of hens crammed into wire cages with no room to move, dead hens left rotting in cages, workers burning off the beaks of chicks without painkillers -- it even shows one worker swinging a bird around on a rope.
The company in question is called Sparboe Farms. The undercover footage comes from its facilities in Iowa, Minnesota and Colorado. The facility in Vincent, Iowa produced all eggs for McDonald's restaurants west of the Mississippi.
NATHAN RUNKLE, EXEC. DIR., MERCY FOR ANIMALS: Most of this abuse took place in front of or by supervisors and managers at this factory farm.
REPORTER: Twenty-seven-year old Nathan Runkle is the executive director of Mercy for Animals -- an animal rights group based in Chicago he founded when he was only 15-years old. They're dedicated to preventing cruelty to farm animals.
RUNKLE: To know that this abuse is taking place for McDonalds and for Egg McMuffins, I think, really shocks and appalls people. So, we're hoping the company really steps up to the plate and makes some meaningful policy changes.
REPORTER: After the footage was exposed, the fast food giant announced it would stop buying eggs from the company.
McDonalds released a statement which reads in part, "Based upon recent information, we are no longer accepting eggs from Sparboe. This is not a food safety issue for our menu items. We can assure our customers that eggs in our entire supply chain meet McDonald's high standards for quality and safety."
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LEMON: That report from our WGN affiliate in Chicago.
The president of Sparboe Farms put a response on the company's Web site. Among other things, it says the company has fired four people and ordered an independent audit of its animal welfare practices.
The statement from President Beth Sparboe Schnell goes on to say this, "I was deeply saddened to see the story because this isn't who Sparboe Farms is. Acts depicted in the footage are totally unacceptable and completely at odds with our values as egg farmers. In fact, they're in direct violation of our animal care code of conduct, which all of our employees read, sign, and follow each day."
Tonight, Libyans are celebrating like they haven't since the death of Moammar Gadhafi. The capture of his son set off the parties. Saif al-Islam Gadhafi was once seen as a reformer who could lead Libya into the future. That was before the revolution when he became his father's mouthpiece.
Matthew Chance looks at what's next for Gadhafi.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The capture of Saif Gadhafi is obviously a huge success to the Libyan authorities. He's indicted at the International Criminal Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity, centering on his unflinching support for his father's brutal crackdown on Libyan rebels and the uprising that began in Libya in February. He's accused of complicity and murder, for instance, and other crimes.
Gadhafi who was Colonel Gadhafi's second old son is also seen as a key figure who maybe able to direct investigators to the billions of dollars that have been estimated to be stashed around the world by the Gadhafi regime. Obviously, officials as the new Libya would very much like to their hands on that cash.
The big question, though, is where will he be put on trial? There is that indictment at The Hague that was discussed. But the Libyan officials are making it clear that they want to try him in their country, where he'll potentially face death penalty. The international concern is that Saif al-Islam does not meet the same grisly fate as his father whose arrest and killing last month was widely criticized. He seems to have avoided that at the moment but prosecutors from The Hague are now set to travel to Libya urgently to help decide Saif Gadhafi's future.
Matthew Chance, CNN, London.
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LEMON: All right, Matthew.
An emotional day at Syracuse University. The school's basketball team took the court without associate coach Bernie Fine. Fine has been put on administrative leave pending an investigation into child sex abuse allegations leveled against the coach by two former ball boys.
CNN's Ed Lavandera joins us now live on the phone from Syracuse.
So, Ed, you were at the game. What was the mood like there?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): You know, it was interesting and I think this kind of -- this mood kind of permeated throughout the Syracuse community. I don't think people really feel like they have enough based on what they know, based on what they've seen transpire in the last few weeks at Penn State. So, it was definitely, and these allegations, kind of like that elephant in the room that nobody really wants to talk about.
After the game, it was -- the coach Jim Boeheim, who's been coaching here at Syracuse university for more than 35 years, as one put student put it to us yesterday, you know, Jim Boeheim is to Syracuse what Joe Paterno is to Penn State.
And it's interesting because he had made some comments to the local paper in Syracuse, the coach saying "I'm not Joe Paterno." We asked him about that and he basically said that it was his kind of way of defending his assistant coach, a man that he's known for 50 years and he says that, you know, knowing someone for that long he deserves to be able to show some loyalty to his assistant coach.
The coach did not sit by him on the bench tonight at the game here, Don. He was asked about that repeatedly and about the coach. For the most part, Jim Boeheim deflected all questions, refused to talk about the investigation, how it was handled six years ago when these allegations first surfaced. But the only comments he really did make was to say that, you know, they will continue focusing on basketball. He says that his basketball program will be fine, they'll keep moving ahead.
We have a little bit of interview sound after the game where he was asked about that comment, Don. I asked him specifically, I said, "look, you've made these comments, I'm not Joe Paterno. What did you mean by that?"
Let's listen to what Jim Boeheim responded to that.
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JIM BOEHEIM, HEAD BASKETBALL COACH, SYRACUSE UNIV.: When Coach Paterno said I didn't do enough, I could have done more, that was the reference, setting up that if I had heard something or something happens today, you know, I'm going to do something about it. That was the kind of that reference that was really not meant to be what it was turned into. I've been friends for 50 years with Coach Fine, and that buys a lot of loyalty from me and should. And, you know, that's what I was talking about.
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LAVANDERA: So there you have it, don. Coach Boeheim continues to stand by his assistant coach who wasn't next to him at the game today. In fact, he's gone to say in much stronger terms as well, that he's considered to the two accusers that come forward with these allegations, the coach called them liars. So, all of this continues to play out here in Syracuse -- Don.
LEMON: All right. Thank you, Ed Lavandera.
Now to the Penn State sex abuse scandal. Lost in that story, all the good the Second Mile foundation did for young kids. Now that program may shut its doors. That's ahead here on CNN.
But, first, most of the Republican candidates for president taking to the stage tonight in Iowa, but it's the candidate who isn't there who was making news this hour.
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LEMON: Six of the top Republican presidential hopefuls are in Iowa tonight, looking to win support among the state's conservative activists. While it may not seem like it, but it's time is running out for them to really make a difference. The Iowa caucuses are coming up on January 3rd.
Live pictures now. Rick Perry is speaking at that event. Just moments ago, it was Herman Cain.
Let's go to our very own Shannon Travis. He's at the Thanksgiving Family Forum in Des Moines.
So, Shannon, why is this event important and how did it go?
SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: It went very well. And as you just mentioned, time is running out, Don. Only 25 days left before the Iowa caucuses. And so, it was really important for these six candidates to come here and to make essentially one of their last- ditch appeals to these conservative voters.
Of course, these conservative voters, they will come out to the caucuses -- rain, snow, whatever. They helped hoist Mike Huckabee in 2007. So, this is an important voting block which is why you saw all six of them here.
But, also here tonight, Don, Occupy Des Moines protesters. They were out in front of the venue before candidates even started to show up.
And in a very kind of bizarre moment, Frank Lutz, who was the moderator for this discussion, he knew that out of 3,000 people, that potentially some of them might be Occupy Des Moines protesters.
So, he said, you know what? I'm going to make a deal with anyone who's in here who might be planning on disrupting this, I will give you a few moments to speak right now if in turn you allow us to speak uninterrupted for two hours.
One man got up. He didn't say that he was with the movement but take a listen to what he has to say.
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UIDENTIFIED MALE: This bank is foreign-dominated. It is a massive, massive fraud upon the American public.
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TRAVIS: And out of that, Don -- out of that, Don, Mitt Romney, we should mention that he's not here. He was campaigning in New Hampshire today at the same time as this event, some very tough words for the president.
Take a listen to what Mitt Romney had to say.
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MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think he believes that as bureaucrats -- well-meaning, well-intending to bureaucrats in Washington can do a better job by guiding our economy and guiding our lives than country people. He's wrong.
The approach I think he is drawn to is the approach of Europe -- which has a very heavy hand on free enterprise and the freedom of individuals. And now, the approach isn't working in Europe. I'm sure the same is not going to work in the United States.
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TRAVIS: One last thing, Don, about Mitt Romney. We learned that he's opened his very first campaign headquarters here in Iowa, which suggests that he might be amping up his activities here in the state -- Don.
LEMON: All right. Thank you, Shannon Travis. We appreciate it.
The Republican presidential hopefuls will debate national security and economic issues Tuesday night right here on CNN. It is co-sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute.
There he is, Mr. Wolf Blitzer. He's going to host it. Wolf joins me tonight from Washington with the preview.
Wolf, what can we expect on Tuesday night?
WOLF BLITZER, HOST, CNN'S "SITUATION ROOM": Well, we're going to deal with the most important national security foreign policy issues of the day. And we're going to try to get some clarification, some clarity from these eight Republican presidential candidates, where they stand if, in fact, they were to become the president of the United States, the commander-in-chief, on national security, foreign policy.
And there are so many issues out there, whether in Iran for example, the continuing wars of Iraq and Afghanistan -- all sorts of problems that the U.S. faces. And some will argue the economy, the global economy, is a national security issue. Admiral Mullen, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made that point that America's national security depends on a robust economy. What happens if the European economy goes down? After Canada, the largest trading partner the United States has -- a lot of American jobs at stake. What about China?
There's no shortage of issues that we're going to go through and we'll see where the candidates agree, where they disagree, where they agree with President Obama, where they disagree with President Obama, for example. So , it will be a good strong smart debate. I think, hopefully, undecided voters out there will have a better appreciation of where the candidates stand.
LEMON: We have seen some have great performances and some not so good. So, Wolf, who has the most to lose, most to gain?
BLITZER: Well, Mitt Romney has done well in the debates. Newt Gingrich has done well. Rick Perry, not so well.
Herman Cain, he's had some problems on other non-debate related issues. Obviously, the sexual harassment allegations, the long pause on a relatively simple question on Libya that he had the other day in Milwaukee, before editorial board of that Milwaukee newspaper. So he's had some problems.
So, you know, he's going to have to come out strong, Herman Cain. Rick Perry is going to have to come out strong. Michele Bachmann, if she wants to come out. Rick Santorum has done relatively well in the debates, although he's not yet generating the kind of numbers in the national polls, in the statewide polls that he needs to become a top tier candidate.
We'll see how well Newt Gingrich -- we ask Newt Gingrich how he prepares for these debates and he says I've been preparing for 50 years for these debates. So, you know, he's obviously very knowledgeable in a lot of these issues and we'll see how well he does.
But Mitt Romney has potentially a lot do if he makes a major mistake. He hasn't done that in the debate so far. So, we'll see how he does on Tuesday.
LEMON: The best moderator when it comes to these sorts of things, it is Wolf Blitzer. Wolf, thank you very much.
Remember, Wolf is going to host the next Republican presidential debate, Tuesday night at 8:00, right here on CNN, co-sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute. The focus of the debate will be national security, national security and the economy.
Make sure you tune in and watch that. Wolf can do a great job, we know far sure.
In other news tonight, her death may be second only to that of Marilyn Monroe when it comes to Hollywood's biggest mysteries. Now, 30 years after Natalie Wood drowned, her case is reopened. The story in just four minutes.
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LEMON: The Penn State football team defeated Ohio State just a short time ago. Their first away game since child sex allegations were leveled against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.
Susan Candiotti is standing by on the Penn State campus.
Susan, Jerry Sandusky has mostly stayed out of sight since he was accused of sexual abusing eight boys over 15-year period. But he was recently spotted somewhere.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: He was. He was coming out of his driveway, in a car and he rolled down the window to reporters, handed a note that said I have nothing to say, if you have any questions, contact my lawyer.
Well, we do try to reach his lawyer today, but he didn't respond. We had many questions, including what Sandusky thinks about the charity that he founded and news that might have to close his doors because donations are drying up, Don.
LEMON: So, the NCAA says it is opening an investigation in the Penn State case. So, that makes how many investigations now? Three or four? How many are going on?
CANDIOTTI: Well, you know, Don, by our count, four investigations, plus one involving the Second Mile charity, as well as another one in Texas over another possible victim there.
LEMON: Let's talk about ex-head coach Joe Paterno. His family announced he has a treatable form of lung cancer, Susan. So, what's been the response there in and around the campus?
CANDIOTTI: Well, it's yet another blow, Don, to this town that's all reeling -- already reeling from the sex abuse allegations. Certainly, everyone here saying they feel very badly for him, wishing him with well, while at the same time saying that, you know, he did make a mistake by not reporting those sex abuse allegations sooner.
LEMON: Susan Candiotti on the campus of Penn State for us tonight -- Susan, thank you so much. We appreciate your reporting.
What exactly happened the night actress Natalie Wood drowned 30 years ago? After all this time, detectives are reporting their -- reopening, excuse me, their investigation. But as Kareem Wynter is reporting, police are not casting any further suspicion on Woods' husband fellow actor Robert Wagner -- Kareen.
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KAREEN WYNTER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Don, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department says Wood's husband at the time, Robert Wagner, who was on the yacht the night she died -- they say he is not a suspect. But still, this has not stopped investigators from taking a second look at this mysterious case. (voice-over): Natalie Wood was one of the most popular, sought after actresses in Hollywood which made her death in 1981 at just 43 years old all the more shocking and for some, inexplicable. Sheriff's officials were vague Friday about what led to the reopening of the investigation after 30 years.
LT. JOHN CORINA, LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Recently, we have received information which we felt was substantial enough to make us take another look at this case.
WYNTER: It was Thanksgiving weekend 1981 when Wood and her actor husband Robert Wagner went sailing on their yacht the Splendour. They were joined by actor and friend Christopher Walken.
That Saturday night, Wagner and Walken apparently got into a heated argument. A short time later, Wagner notified the fourth person on the yacht, Captain Dennis Davern, that Wood was not on board.
On Friday, Davern told CNN he thought she might have tried to take the yacht's dinghy to shore.
DENNIS DAVERN, FORMER CAPTAIN, "THE SPLENDOUR": And I said to Robert Wagner, and I said well you know let's -- let's turn on the searchlight to see if we can see her. And he said no, we don't want to do that right now.
WYNTER: Natalie Wood was discovered hours later dressed in a nightgown and socks floating a mile from the yacht. The autopsy revealed dozens of bruises on her body. Still, the coroner sought to quashed rumors Wood was killed or committed suicide, insisting "The Splendor in the Grass" star died of accidental drowning.
Was alcohol to blame? An autopsy showed Wood had an alcohol blood level of 0.14.
Even more perplexing, Wood once told an interviewer her greatest fear was dark sea water. And her sister Lana, later claimed Natalie didn't even know how to swim.
Thirty years later, the question remains: How did Natalie Wood end up floating in the Pacific?
(on camera): And as for Dennis Davern -- well, investigators say they want to talk to him again and hear what he has to say this time around -- Don.
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LEMON: All right. Thank you, Kareen.
All right. Many of you are probably gearing up for Black Friday. It's less than a week away, but are you always getting the best deal? We're going to take a look ahead.
But, first this: with unemployment hovering at stubbornly high levels, a lot of people wonder if they should go back to school. Well, Katrina Spencer is one of them. She puts that question to CNN education contributor Steve Perry in a special "Ask Dr. Perry" edition of "Perry's Principles."
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KATRINA SPENCER, CONSIDERING A RETURN TO SCHOOL: Hello, Dr. Perry. My name is Katrina Spencer. Right now, I'm in medical (INAUDIBLE) lobotomy. But I want to go back to school. But why should I go back to school if I can't find a job in the field I'm in now?
STEVE PERRY, CNN EDUCATION CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Katrina, you go to school because you want to improve your marketability, not just for a particular job but for your career. Education is an investment that takes time sometimes to give you the return that you want. This is something that you're interested in, and then you've got to pursue it, because you won't be happy until you truly fulfill that interest.
And if education is essential to that interest, then you got to go back to school. Take the time, do it in the way in which you can and which you can afford. Be responsible about it. But pursue it.
When you look at your life's prospects, they will only get better with more education.
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LEMON: Black Friday less than a week away. And we know what that means for shoppers, big deals. But what does it mean for the economy?
So, joining us live now is Terry Savage. She's the author of the book, "The Savage Truth on Money" and a personal finance columnist with "The Chicago Sun-Times."
So, Terry, welcome back to the show. If next Friday is a big day for retailers, what does that tell us about the rest of the holiday season and the economy as a whole?
TERRY SAVAGE, PERSONAL FINANCE COLUMNIST, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: So, this is very interesting because more people say they're planning to shop, according to the National Retail Federation. Thirty-three percent of the people they surveyed said they were going to shop this holiday weekend compared to 27 percent last year.
But here's the great irony about that. The sales might not be up. And sales might be up only half as much as they were last year because of all those good deals. Prices are down, retailers are offering incredible deals, and so the numbers might not be so high.
LEMON: Well, 74 million Americans planning to shop, up 27 percent from last year. It seems pretty good. But you said the sales may not be so high. Let's hope that because -- go ahead.
SAVAGE: Yes, the total number of sales, their total -- the dollar volume of sales might not gain that much because of all those great deals.
And there's another paradox here. I'm going to tell you as your personal financial adviser, please be careful, please make a list, check it twice, don't go crazy with your credit card, you regret it in January. So, if everybody listens to me, that is good for each individual family.
LEMON: I know, Terry. But everybody gets caught up in the hoopla. And you know my favorite store, it's no longer -- well, it will also be named that and that's Marshall Fields on State Street.
Now, I was just in Chicago. And I wear the numbers of my credit card.
SAVAGE: There is no more Marshall Fields.
LEMON: Yes, there is.
SAVAGE: It's Macy's now. It's Macy's. They've destroyed all the great retailers. And so, it's Macy's.
Wherever you go, be careful. I'm telling you that. Not your job to save the economy.
LEMON: All right.
SAVAGE: I'll be watching those numbers because Thanksgiving is the start of the holiday season. Sixty percent of some retailers of their year's business get stung in the next four or five weeks.
LEMON: Yes, absolutely.
OK. Any other signs? Any new signs, Terry, that the economy is recovering?
SAVAGE: Oh, Don, there's lots of signs. It's just that they're overwhelmed by bad news. But the good signs are, well, we've had low inflation. We've had claims of unemployment have dropped below 400,000 and stayed there. We've got the home builders came out with their confidence index and it's up dramatically.
And there's a lot of good stuff going on. Manufacturing index in New York, that was up. If you look, there are a lot of good, little economic reports. Not booming but good reports. But all of that is overshadowed by what's going on.
I think this week, besides shopping there's going to be two big economic focuses. One is on Europe, where they can't get their act together. Tonight, they're having -- you know, everybody's getting a new government tonight or tomorrow morning in Spain. They're electing a new government. Will Europe get its act together, deal with its debt or will the banks there have problems and hurt us? That's the one big thing and of course the big thing this week is the super committee.
Can they find 1.2 trillion dollars of cuts? They ought to be. It's a huge budget. LEMON: Oh, yes.
SAVAGE: But this is going to be a big thing coming up this week. And it will determine whether our economy has confidence that we're going to move forward and find some kind of a way forward out of our debt problems. So that, you know, it's a holiday season. A lot of Turkey, a lot of people shopping early. Anybody - fair warning. Anybody who gets up from my turkey table when I'm cooking to go shopping on Thursday night is not getting any leftovers. That's for sure.
LEMON: That's right. When I'm in a food coma, I will have one eye on the news and one eye on the newspaper to see what's happening with the super committee. I'm not going to go shopping. I'll wait.
SAVAGE: And you can watch football.
LEMON: All right.
SAVAGE: OK. Got it.
LEMON: Terry, always a pleasure. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving by the way.
SAVAGE: Thank you. You too.
LEMON: All right.
Mastering your money this holiday season, well, you may think Black Friday shopping is the way do that, but are the deals everything they're cracked up to be or are they just hype? Christine Romans breaks it down with personal finance expert Carmen Wong Ulrich, Poppy Harlow of cnnmoney.com and Sirius XM Pete Dominic.
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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Get ready for Black Friday on Thursday. Wal-Mart will open some stores at 10:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving evening, Toys "R" Us at 9:00 p.m., Macy's, BestBuy and Target, to name a few will be opening at the stroke of midnight.
Carmen, Poppy, Pete, I want your 30 second take. I think it's a retail machine. They're all driven to (INAUDIBLE). And I also think that quite frankly the prices are going to be cheaper again by the end of the year. Carmen, you're the expert.
CARMEN WONG ULRICH, PERSONAL FINANCE EXPERT: The prices are going to be much cheaper. I'm going to sit in my jammies and shop. Because that's where it's at. This is a sport. This is a cultural phenomenon. It's a sport. My sister-in-law does this, Bonita, you're crazy. She goes out in the middle of the night after Thanksgiving and it's a sport. Retailers know this. Last year the projected numbers were almost half of the actual numbers of shoppers. Folks are really out for the bargains.
ROMANS: Really?
ULRICH: They were. Folks are really out for the bargains. This is a sport to see who can be the best extreme shopper.
ROMANS: The industry wants us to think everyone is going to be doing this.
ULRICH: This is about extreme couponing.
PETE DOMINCK, HOST, SIRIUS XM STAN UP: I think what we're missing a little bit is people like to shop on the weekends. The malls are always packed on the weekends. This is a Friday that a lot of Americans are getting off. One of the reasons why it's so packed is because they have that day off to get the shopping done. There's just so many days to shop, Christine. This is a day off for them to shop.
POPPY HARLOW, ANCHOR, CNNMONEY.COM: Come on. I think it's sacred, it's Thanksgiving holiday, it's about family and a little football her and there. Go Vikings! It's not about how much -
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DOMINCK: How dare you -
ULRICH: assuming everyone wants to be with their family.
DOMINCK: That's true.
ULRICH: I'm just saying that not everybody - they'd rather go shopping.
HARLOW: Should. They show us that our economy is way too reliant on consumer spending and as one consumer told us the stores are getting desperate, so they're opening up earlier, that's one person's opinion, but maybe we should think about an economy that's not so reliant on how much we can go spend and spend when we need to save, save.
ULRICH: Poppy, it's a dreamland.
HARLOW: I like my dreamland.
ULRICH: I like my Christmas. I'm telling you that right now everybody's about the bargain.
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LEMON: Members of the congressional super committee are still working and some even say they're still hopeful, but they might be the only ones. They have until Wednesday to reach a deal to cut the debt. Live pictures now of the capitol in Washington. And it looks like they're going to use every single minute. An update from Capitol Hill is straight ahead.
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LEMON: They're called the super committee. The 12 members of the House and Senate, six from each party were given the job of coming up with a $1.2 trillion debt reduction plan. They're said to be working through the weekend. After all the deadline is Wednesday if it really is a hard deadline and even that is not what it appears - first appears. CNN's Joe Johns has more tonight from Capitol Hill.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (on camera): Don, there was at least one conference call today between Republican members of the super committee and one senator on that committee told us he wants to keep working on this until the clock runs out. So there appears to be a willingness to continue to talk, but apparently not a lot of momentum.
(voice-over): Just days from a joint committee deadline to get a deal on large-scale deficit reduction, you might think the capitol is full of hope they're actually going to do something.
SEN. PATTY TOOMEY (D-PA): I remain hopeful.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I remain hopeful that we can meet our goal and I urge our democratic colleagues to join us in the effort.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody wants to quit until the stroke of midnight.
JOHNS: Hope may spring eternal but as it stands now, a lot of people don't expect the super committee to get too far on reducing the deficit $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years like they're supposed to. One of the questions now is whether instead of real savings they're going to come up with some gimmick - that well, listen to Steve Ellis of a nonpartisan watchdog group.
STEVE ELLIS, TAXPAYERS FOR COMMON SENSE: It's totally outrageous. It's fictious. And actually it's damaging. I mean the scariest thing is that we could actually come out of the super committee and if they don't do this right, we could come out of the super committee in a worse deaf situation than we were that got us into the super committee in the first place.
JOHNS: Guys who know all the budget tricks say gimmick number one would be for the committee to claim its cutting spending that never really was going to be spent anyway.
STAN COLLENDER, FEDERAL BUDGET ANALYST: The best example of that is we know that activities in Afghanistan are already winding down and that the government's not likely to spend as much over the next 10 years as they have over the previous 10 years.
JOHNS: Stan Collender has worked for both the House and Senate budget committees.
COLLENDER: So if they say all right we're going to cut all the spending for Afghanistan over the next decade, then according to the Congressional Budget Office that would make it look like we were cutting almost a trillion dollars when actually we would be cutting nothing.
JOHNS: Another gimmick the watchdogs are looking for is kicking the can down the road, telling other congressional committees to work out the details later. ELLIS: So new committees go out there, come back with x amount of savings, a couple of hundred billion of dollars worth of savings of the tax code or 400 billion or whatever it is, and we're going to require that be voted on a date certain.
JOHNS (on camera): So the more you look at it, the trickier it gets. If the super committee does not come up with a deal, automatic spending cuts are supposed to go into effect. But there's a catch. Those spending cuts don't kick in until the year 2013 which would give the Congress plenty of time to figure something else out. Don?
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LEMON: All right. Joe, thank you very much.
Still ahead, if you can sell your old records and you can sell our old CDs, shouldn't you be able to sell your old digital music files too? It's an innovative idea but not everybody in the music industry likes it.
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LEMON: This could change everything about the way you listen to music. Google Music officially launched this week a free service that lets you upload as many as 20,000 songs using cloud storage. So you can listen to your library any time anywhere on a host of different devices and to help kick it off, Google even brought in hip-hop superstar Drake who just released a new album that's rocketing to number one on the charts. So there you go.
I want to bring in now Scott Steinberg, the CEO of Tech Savvy Global. So Scott, tell us what makes Google Plus so attractive compared to iTunes or even Spotify which is just new. Everybody was just touting Spotify.
SCOTT STEINBERG, CEO, TECH SAVVY GLOBAL: Well, the upside is of course more choices for consumers. You can download music on demand, stream it right on any device especially Android devices and of course, using Google Plus, the social network that Google owns. You can actually share songs for free. Let friends listen in before they buy.
LEMON: All right. So has Google worked out the deal so you can also buy music through this service?
STEINBERG: That's right. You can buy directly through the service and it's actually added to your online cloud so you can stream into devices on demand. It's fairly convenient except of course, Warner's catalogue is missing from the service as well.
LEMON: OK. So you can but everything but Warner. That's missing from the service.
Let's talk something that's kind of related here. There used to be used records and CD stores everywhere, but digital music downloads are killing them off. Is it true there's now a way to sell your used music files?
STEINBERG: Well that's the hope. The RIA certainly hopes not, but there's a new service called Redigy that purports to let you sell back your used digital music so you can actually use the credits towards buying new songs.
LEMON: So wait a minute. You sell it back to the company. You can't sell it to someone else for a cheaper price than you got it. You sell it back to the company, correct?
STEINBERG: Well, you sell it back to redigy and they act like a digital marketplace like a used CDs stores would and others can buy the music.
LEMON: I understand. All right. I get it now. How much do used music files cost compared to buying them new?
STEINBERG: Yes, well, redigy is selling it for 75 cents. But if you actually upload old songs, they give you a coupon for $0.20 off so you can get them for as low as 59 cents which is a heck of a lot cheaper than $1.29 that you'll be paying on iTunes.
LEMON: All right. So then what's to stop someone from just copying their music files before they sell them and then just holding onto the copies.
STEINBERG: Well, hopefully a conscience, but (INAUDIBLE) Redigy says that it's got a player that scans digital music files. It won't let you upload songs that had been ripped from CD but it looks for digital fingerprints from services like iTunes or Amazon, this metadata as they call it.
LEMON: Yes.
STEINBERG: And then searches for it on your computer and removes when it finds copies of these files. It takes them away and it won't let you sync devices like an iPod so that you could then transfer them over but theoretically nothing because people can find a way around this.
LEMON: That sounds very complicated. It seems like you could keep reselling and reselling music and then using it all over again. I don't know. It just sounds complicated. The music industry was slow to adapt to the digital era so how is it responding to the idea of used music files?
STEINBERG: Well, typical elacrity when it comes to legal action. There should be a cease and desist letter. Interestingly not just with used music, we're also seeing where 200 labels have pulled their music from streaming services like Spotify and Napster this week. So certainly the recording industry up in arms doesn't like what it's seeing here.
LEMON: All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate it, Scott Steinberg. The comedian who said he would never host the Golden Globes again is going to host the Golden Globes again. What changed? Plus Demi and Ashton call it quits. What celebrity couple are we going to look up to now. Do we ever really look up to them. I don't know. We're talking entertainment after the break.
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LEMON: It is either the smartest or the stupidest move by the Golden Globe organization. Ricky Gervais will be back to host the 2012 awards in January. (INAUDIBLE) complained that his punch lines were not funny but flat-out mean. CNN's Shanon Cook is here.
So Shanon, I remember we were discussin this, talking about how Ricky Gervais was just embarrassing to everyone. People are like wincing at his jokes. So why are they letting him host it again?
SHANON COOK, CNN ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: Ratings, baby. Ratings. I mean who isn't going to want to tune in and see what tricks Ricky Gervais has up his sleeve this time. You know, he's not going to hold back. He has indicated that this is definitely his last Golden Globes. So I wouldn't expect him to go easy on anybody. He's really going to go out on a bang. And he's a comedian who just does not care who he offends. And I think it will be interesting, Don, to see which celebrities he has in (INAUDIBLE) this time. I think if I was Kim Kardashian or Ashton Kutcher at the moment, I would be bracing myself for a pretty brutal roasting.
LEMON: That'll probably be the only reason I'd tune in. That would be funny.
OK. So listen -
COOK: Right.
LEMON: I was shocked, Shanon, when I turned on the news one morning and I saw this. It was like breaking news at the top of the show.
COOK: Right,
LEMON: And it was Ashton Kutcher and Demi. I'm like really? Do we - I mean, come on here.
COOK: Come on here.
LEMON: Yes.
COOK: Can't we all just stay married and get along.
LEMON: Yes. Hollywood couple, I mean they break up. Come on. We were just talking about Kim Kardashian who was married for 72 days. We come to expect this in Hollywood.
COOK: We absolutely do. And in this situation's defense, at least these guys were married for six years. Whereas Kim Kardashian married for about six seconds. LEMON: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. How long have your parents been married? 20, 30 years. Six years? Come on. That's no time.
COOK: Right. I know. But as you pointed out, we're talking about a Hollywood romance.
LEMON: OK. Sorry. I digress.
COOK: I think six years is pretty impressive. But let's talk about this. I mean if you look at the time, a lot of people, you know, saying what tipped Demi off. What made her, you know, finally decide to get a divorce. And you know it's easy to point to recent allegations that Ashton Kutcher was unfaithful, as the straw that broke the camel's back but there have been various reports that this couple actually had an open marriage and that that may have led to complications. And some sources have told "People" magazine that the two have been fighting like cats and dogs for quite some time now. Others say they have been working hard to try and fix their marriage. So it could be all the above or none of the above, Don. Your guess is as good as mine. As with any marriage you just don't really know what's going on inside a relationship.
LEMON: All right.
COOK: Don't worry. It's OK. You can find another celebrity couple to look up to.
LEMON: I know. I'm sorry.
COOK: You seem really heartbroken.
LEMON: I just don't get it. I don't really see the news value. I'm sorry. I don't get it.
Anyway.
COOK: Then let's stop talking about it.
LEMON: Yes. The terminator proves he is human. Arnold Schwarzenegger was injured this week. How did it happen? Where did it happen?
COOK: Well, he was on set in New Mexico of what is supposed to be his big screen come back. He is starring in the film "The Last Stand" and he tweeted this really delightful photograph of him with blood running down his forehead. He said that he got banged up on set but it really wasn't a huge deal, Don, because an hour later he was back to work. He is playing a cop in this film, by the way, so who knows what kind of daredevil stunts he was up to. Just a little ding for the terminator. Not really worth crying about. And probably, Don, not really worth tweeting about or talking about. Let's stop talking about this one, too.
LEMON: I think that's cool. I think that, you know, it's from governor - he is back on the set now. I think that's interesting. That is kind of fun news. All right. Shanon, thank you. Hey, listen, the next story you're going to want to see because I know that you did R.E.M. and you interviewed Sting and all of that.
COOK: Rock and roll, baby.
LEMON: Rock and roll. A man who lived a life that many of us dreamed about, really hanging out with some of the world's biggest rock stars and then he's taking pictures as well. Wait until you hear the story about the Rolling Stones in just two minutes. Look at this book. Amazing.
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LEMON: Ken Regan has spent 40 years photographing some of the world's most famous musicians, sports stars and politicians. And in this book, it's called "All Access." It's a new book of vintage behind the scenes photos of the biggest rock stars in the world. The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan and many others. And in his first ever TV interview, Regan talked with CNN about his experiences and the stories behind some of his iconic images. Here he talks about being with the Rolling Stones.
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KEN REGAN, PHOTOGRAPHER: So in 1975 they called me and you know, I signed on. They were rehearsing out of Andy Warhol's house in Montwak. So I went out there for a couple of weeks. Spent a lot of time. I was doing work for them. I was photographing a cover story on Mick and the band for "People" magazine.
And I was outside on the beach with Mick for a while doing some photographs and I came in the house and I smelled - about 4:00 in the afternoon and I smelled somebody cooking bacon and eggs. It was, you know, clearly bacon and eggs. So I wandered into the kitchen and here is like, something that you could never imagine seeing because number one, it was 4:00 in the afternoon. Keith never got up until 6:00 p.m. at least. And here he is with no shirt on making bacon and eggs. I said "Keith, what are you doing?" Says "Oh, I don't know. I was a little hungry. I got up. You know, the cook is gone and I decided to make some bacon and eggs."
A few years later and the band asked me to do a session with them which we did over the course of two days and we did end up with portraits of everybody. We did group shots. We did two shots, three shots, everything. And at the end of the day I said to myself, "Hey, guys, what would you think about me photographing you in my bathroom?" Because it's kind of a cool bathroom. You know they all looked at me like, "Yes, sure, why not."
So we went into the bathroom. I had Keith sitting on the toilet. I had Charlie in the shower and I asked Charlie if I could give him an umbrella nad turn on the water. He said, don't push your luck. And then Bill was sitting on the sitting and Ronnie(INAUDIBLE) was sitting below him and Mick was sitting opposite Ronnie, you know, kind of on the hamper. And we probably shot for five or 10 minutes. Now I had forgotten about this photograph and when we started researching for the book, maybe two or three years ago, Tom Justino (ph) who runs my office, came across this photograph and he said "Oh my god, Ken this was taken in the bathroom." I said "Yes." He said "Well, OK." I go out of town for a couple of weeks on the story. I come back and there is a 16 by 20 of this picture hanging in the bathroom. And everybody who goes in that bathroom now says "Oh, my god, I'm in the same bathroom as the Rolling Stones were in."
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LEMON: It is a fascinating conversation. Tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, we will see much more of this fascinating photography in this book from Ken Regan including Bob Dylan. You can also find the entire interview right now on cnn.com. Make sure you join us at 10:00 p.m. Eastern. It is a fantastic book. I'm Don Lemon at the CNN World headquarters in Atlanta. Thank you so much for joining us. I'll see you back here at 10:00 p.m. Eastern.
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