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Nancy Grace

Mother of Missing Boy Blames Former Husband

Aired November 22, 2011 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Washington state, mystery surrounding the disappearance of a 2-year-old little boy vanishing from Mommy`s Acura sports car after she claims to run out of gas, then leaves the car on the side of the road, taking her 4-year-old little girl but leaving the 2-year-old strapped in the carseat, no forced entry and the car starts right up, plenty of gas.

The country searches desperately for 2-year-old baby Sky, but Mommy busy with a search of her own on line for a lover. That`s right, we uncover Mommy`s on-line profile looking for love and money. In the days after Sky disappears, Mommy says she`s looking for a quote, "sugar daddy," a real man who can pay her $5,000 a month.

Bombshell tonight. After hiding out for weeks instead of talking to police, Mommy feeding info to network reporters, blaming her husband being Pakistani for baby Sky`s disappearance, saying he`s, quote, "deceptive" and "sadistic," that he`s, quote, "got something to do with" the 2-year-old`s disappearance. But hold on, Mommy! You were the one with baby Sky when he vanishes, not Daddy. Tonight, where is 2-year-old baby Sky?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Mr. Karlinsky (ph), my former husband is a sadistic Muslim Pakistani. No one has any idea. This is all too difficult. Kindly, Julia."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bizarre details emerging.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mother`s on-line dating life is coming under scrutiny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A "sugar baby" is a woman looking for a sugar daddy, women who want to meet a wealthy man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has a child that`s missing and she`s very, very upset.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) while her baby is still out there missing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "My attorney has forbid me from speaking about the ongoing investigation. My former husband`s allegations are without merit. Solomon is deceptive."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What she`s trying to do is divert herself from what`s happening in her life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And has refused to cooperate with detectives.

GRACE: Not searching for her son.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is Sky Metalwala?

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Mystery surrounding the disappearance of a 2- year-old boy, vanishing from Mommy`s Acura sports car after she claims to run out of gas. After hiding out for weeks instead of talking to police, in the last hours, we uncover Mommy not talking to cops, not taking a polygraph, but feeding information to network reporters, claiming her husband being Pakistani descent has something to do with baby Sky`s disappearance, that he`s, quote, "deceptive" and "sadistic," that he has, quote, "something to do with" the baby`s disappearance.

But hold on, Mommy! You`re the one with baby Sky when he vanishes, not Dad.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The recent surveillance photos of Julia are dramatically different from the photos from her accounts on social media Web sites. The gray sweatsuit she`s seen wearing in these photos is the same outfit she was wearing the morning Sky disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s why we feel it`s important to get these photos out.

GRACE: How did she deal with baby Sky`s poopy-pants?

SOLOMON METALWALA, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: Throw it outside (ph) right away. Right away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aims to connect singles with so-called sugar daddies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can`t understand how anyone would leave a sick child in the car for over an hour.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This story does not make any sense!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This story doesn`t make any sense. She knows exactly what happened to the child.

METALWALA: Actually, when we came home, you would have to go right in the shower.

GRACE: This obsessive-compulsive disorder your wife has, I understand that she would not let you use the commode.

METALWALA: I was not allowed to. I was not allowed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Julia, please, do you have any idea where Sky is?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "No."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Do you think your husband was involved?"

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Yes."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened the morning Sky disappeared? Because cops say the car wasn`t out of gas.

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GRACE: Mommy refuses to talk to cops, hiding out at a local hotel. But yet she`s feeding information to reporters, to network reporters, blaming her husband being Pakistani descent, claiming he`s deceptive and sadistic, that he`s got something to do with the baby`s disappearance? Well, Mommy`s the one with the baby when he`s left strapped in the carseat on the side of the road. Daddy was nowhere around.

We are taking your calls in the search for 2-year-old baby Sky. Out to you, Alexis Weed. Explain to me, Mommy is logging onto her friend finder or Seekingarrangement.com Web site instead of talking to cops or taking a poly, while Daddy volunteers for two polygraphs? Mommy feeding information to network reporters instead of police. What the hey is going on, Alexis?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy, she`s all over the Web. She`s on her e-mail accounts. She`s on this Seekingarrangement.com, where she supposedly, according to this profile that appears to be set up by her -- she`s seeking a sugar Daddy. And she`s on the Web site, Nancy, as most recently as Friday evening at 7:00, almost 8:00 o`clock at night. She`s also talking to this ABC reporter, as ABC is saying that she has now responded to e-mails from ABC.

GRACE: And in the last hours, we learn police have released to the public surveillance photos of Mommy in the hours before baby Sky disappears. Take a look.

Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Atlanta, defense attorney Darryl Cohen, out of our New York studios, renowned defense attorney Alex Sanchez.

So Alex, Daddy`s lined up for not one but two voluntary polygraphs. We`re going to hear from him in a moment. He has talked to police ad nauseam. Mommy won`t talk to the cops, won`t take a poly, but she`s feeding information to network reporters? Hello? What`s the problem, Alex?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I think the police...

GRACE: Buh-buh-buh-what?

SANCHEZ: I think the police are probably concluding that this is some type of, you know, sick custody dispute. I doubt if they think there`s a murder, but they probably believe she took the kid and she`s hiding the kid with somebody else and she`s trying to shift the blame from him. They`re in the middle of a horrible custody dispute.

GRACE: Really?

SANCHEZ: She hates the husband. There doesn`t seem to be...

GRACE: Put him up!

SANCHEZ: ... a motive for killing the kid. So I think it`s basically a sick custody dispute, and she thinks she`s going to get away with it. That`s what I think it is.

GRACE: Let`s take another look at the photos cops have just released of Mommy and baby in the days before baby Sky goes missing. Alexis, what can you tell us about these?

WEED: Nancy, there are some surveillance photos that police have now let out to the public. They say that these photos, these surveillance photo images were taken in the hours and days leading up to Sky`s disappearance. They show the mom. She`s alone. She appears to be at a checkout counter. She`s also shown walking out of some double doors with some bags in hand.

In none of these surveillance images, Nancy, do we see Sky anywhere. She`s also dressed in this gray sweatsuit, and this is the attire that police say they believe she was wearing the day that Sky was reported missing. So it could be that these truly are images within the hours of when Sky vanished.

GRACE: Darryl, what kind of custody dispute is there when Mommy doesn`t even show up to dispute custody? She didn`t even try to get her 4- year-old girl back. She was a no-show.

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it`s pretty obvious this woman is unbalanced, but that doesn`t make her a bad person. It makes her a screwed-up person. It makes her a person that is not making sense. This is a person who left her kid. Why she left him, who knows? Maybe he was so sick that she didn`t want to take him with her. Did she really run out of gas? Maybe the car wasn`t working, she thought she was running out of gas.

GRACE: Put him up, please. Put him up!

COHEN: This woman...

GRACE: Put him up! Darryl!

COHEN: Yes?

GRACE: Please. Please. Please. I respect the both of you too much to hear this inane conversation because you both are renowned veteran trial lawyers. Cohen, you were a prosecutor before you went to the other side. Sanchez, you`ve tried a million cases. So don`t try to hoodwink the viewers, OK, because we already know -- you two know, we`ve discussed it off air.

Cops tested her car. She had nearly three gallons of gas. This car - - how much did it get, almost 30 miles to the gallon? There`s nothing wrong with the car. They test drove it. There`s no engine problem, one of the doors unlocked, plenty of gas. So that`s all BS, all right? So don`t start. Just show us a little respect and try to work with the truth, Darryl. OK, hit me.

COHEN: All right, Nancy, number one, you talk about a polygraph. I would never allow a client to take a polygraph. And you`ve been there and you know it, that the authorities always weigh a polygraph against the person who takes it, unless they want him or her to pass it.

GRACE: Wa-wait! Rephrase! Rephrase!

COHEN: All right.

GRACE: You mean they flunk it. Yes. And I`ve asked people...

COHEN: Either it`s not -- either it`s...

GRACE: ... many times to get polygraphs.

COHEN: ... inconclusive or...

GRACE: I don`t have a problem with a polygraph.

COHEN: Not as a prosecutor. But as a defense lawyer, you never want your client to take a polygraph because...

GRACE: OK.

COHEN: ... they`re either going to be inconclusive or they`re going to fail it. So let`s throw that out the door.

GRACE: Point taken. Go ahead.

COHEN: All right, let`s throw that out the door.

GRACE: Agree.

COHEN: Now, she`s doing...

GRACE: I`m not throwing it out the door because I think it`s highly relevant that Mommy won`t even sit for a polygraph when Daddy sat for two. I know what you and Sanchez think. You never want a possible target or suspect -- Mommy not a suspect -- to take a poly. But what I`m talking about -- can I just steer you back to the middle of the road, Cohen?

COHEN: We`ll try.

GRACE: All right? At least Sanchez tried! Just go with why Mommy didn`t show up to get her 4-year-old daughter out of foster care, like one of you would your kid in foster care. Over my dead, cold body would I have one of my children in foster care, all right?

COHEN: Nancy, at best...

GRACE: What?

COHEN: At best, she`s using bad judgment. Why did she take her kid out of foster care? Once again, the press can come out and say, Look, she`s got one child. The other child`s missing. Look what she`s done. So what do you do?

GRACE: Well, let`s hear what Daddy has to say about Mommy`s frame of mind. Daddy?

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METALWALA: Well, she has a pattern of cleaning. She cannot stand dust over the counters. So for her to be at ease, she would need to wipe out every surface of the house just so she wouldn`t see any dust. Shall I go into more detail? Is that...

GRACE: OK, what is this business about her refusing to let you use the commode?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s all right. You can talk.

METALWALA: OK. She`s -- OK. She has -- it`s very hard to talk about this.

GRACE: I know that you are upset. I understand that she would not let you use the commode. What happened?

METALWALA: I was not allowed to. I wasn`t allowed to.

GRACE: But why?

METALWALA: I just wasn`t allowed to.

GRACE: Did she think that you would leave germs? Was she that obsessed with cleaning?

METALWALA: Well, I mean, she used it. That wasn`t a problem. But she told me I couldn`t use it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you hear this story, you have to scratch your head and wonder why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seekingarrangement.com.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was looking for a wealthy guy who could really take care of her and pamper her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With a so-called sugar daddy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still many, many questions about the car and her actions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother is the last to have seen the child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman had thoughts that would not leave her mind.

METALWALA: Our daily lives were like hell.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OCD, severe OCD.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they examined the car, they found 2.2 gallons of gas still in the tank.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if that casts suspicion on Julia, I think it`s the facts speaking, not us.

GRACE: Baby Sky is gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Abducted by a stranger? Was he hurt or just hidden away by a friend or family member?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a three-pronged search, locally, nationally and internationally.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we have here is a genuine mystery of a missing child.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. New developments in the search for baby Sky. To Joe Gomez, KTRH. Joe, Mommy, instead of taking a poly or talking to police, or even helping the search for her son that she left strapped in the carseat on the side of the road -- instead of going to court, even showing up to get her daughter, her 4-year-old girl, out of foster care -- instead, Mommy`s on line checking her profile on a dating Web site, where she`s looking for a man who can pay her $5,000 a month.

She`s doing that and she`s feeding information to network reporters, blaming her husband, saying he`s Pakistani, that somehow that`s the problem, that he`s sadistic and deceptive, that that`s the problem...

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH (via telephone): That`s right.

GRACE: ... that he`s responsible for baby Sky`s disappearance. She`s the one who was with the baby and left it behind in the car, Joe Gomez.

GOMEZ: That`s right, Nancy. She seems to be enjoying herself, doesn`t she, all this attention that she`s getting, feeding that ABC News reporter those tips, telling him -- telling him that, you know, she -- that she thought her husband was a sadistic Muslim Pakistani.

What does that have to do with anything? She was the one who reportedly had left her little baby boy strapped in the back seat of that car, all alone on the side of the road, on a frigid -- on a frigid day, walking -- walking miles away, coming back and then he`s gone! She`s the one that would be theoretically to blame here! Why is she feeding this information out and trying to attack her -- her former husband? Why do you think that is, Nancy?

GRACE: You know, to Victoria Taft, talk show host on KPAM, Victoria joining us from Portland. Victoria, thank you for being with us. Let`s follow up with what Joe Gomez has to say from KTRH. Why is she pointing the finger? It`s almost like, Look everywhere but here at me. What are you hearing?

VICTORIA TAFT, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST, AM 860 KPAM: Well, the one thing that I would bring back up about this issue of the Muslim Pakistani thing - - she thinks that she`s trying to hurl some sort of, you know, words of war against her husband. But her mother in one of the declarations she made in a court proceeding had talked about how her Pakistani-born husband expected to, at some point in time, go back to Pakistan but wanted U.S. citizenship, and that`s why he married her. I think that`s something worth pursuing.

But the other thing is, of course, she wants all eyes off her, and she wants someone else to take the rap for this. Her answers make no sense, Nancy, as you well know. Here`s a woman with OCD, who cares about specks of dirt that she relentlessly tracks down in her kitchen and her bathroom, and yet she won`t even get out of a hotel to relentlessly track down her son.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Saying that there was a sufficient amount of gas to travel an ample distance to several gas stations.

GRACE: Have you looked on that FaceBook site? Practically no pictures of baby Sky. It`s all about the 4-year-old little girl.

METALWALA: And she said it so much that Miley started to repeat, I want to kill myself.

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METALWALA: She has a pattern of cleaning. She cannot stand dust over the counters, so for her to be at ease, she would need to wipe out every surface of the house so she wouldn`t see any dust.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. While Mommy refuses to talk to police about her missing 2-year-old boy she left behind, strapped in the carseat on the side of the road, she is feeding information to network reporters. She has time to do that.

And interesting, she`s willing -- let`s see the transcript, Liz -- to point the finger at Daddy, who was nowhere around when the boy goes missing. But then when the reporter wisely asks, What about the fact that your car had gas in it and it was working, Mommy never responds to that question. Let`s see the transcript, Liz.

We are taking your calls. Out to Katty in Illinois. Hi, Katty. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I wondered if her OCD could have caused her to somehow hurt this baby.

GRACE: Well, that is a fear many of us have had, too. Dr. Paula Bloom, clinical psychologist and author of "Why Does He Do That, Why Does She Do That?" Paula, thank you for being with us. That`s been a concern all along because we`ve all said 2-year-old boys are pooping, vomiting, muddy machines.

PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right. It`s true. Listen, you know, people are using the term obsessive-compulsive, and sometimes people use that in layman`s terms. It`s sort of a little bit of a specific meaning as a psychologist.

You know, obsessive-compulsiveness is two things. It`s the obsession, which is thoughts that you can`t get out of your head, and the compulsion, which is the behavior. I think that it`s a bit of a stretch to go from, This person doesn`t like dust on their countertops, to, They hurt their child because the child produces a lot of germs.

I do want to say something about this commode issue. I would be curious to know if she did not let him use the toilet once the custody dispute happened, if he wasn`t living in the home anymore. A lot of times, when people are going through a bitter divorce, they don`t even want the person in their house. So I`m not sure if he was living with her at the time.

GRACE: Paula, I know the answer to that. That was apparently before the divorce.

BLOOM: Oh, OK. Well, then that`s some information, to not let somebody in your home use the toilet. But I wouldn`t necessarily make the leap to go from, This person has a germ issue to...

GRACE: But what difference does it make? What difference, Paula? Do you think it had to do with his body? She thought that was dirty, or him using the bathroom was dirty?

BLOOM: Right. It could be that. It could be the obsessions. It could be control issues. It could be -- you know, when you`re going through a divorce or you`re starting to go through a divorce, you can feel very disgusted by your partner. I`m not endorsing what she did...

GRACE: But Paula, what do you think she did if that 2-year-old boy wet his pants back there in the carseat that day? What do you think happened, Paula?

BLOOM: You know, listen, a lot of times, parents can get very frustrated. But again, I wouldn`t assume that because somebody has OCD they`re going to hurt their kid.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is Sky? Police say his mother, Julia Biryukova, is still not responding to questions about the case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can`t understand how anyone would leave a sick child in the car for over an hour.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This story does not make any sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This story doesn`t make any sense.

SOLOMON METALWALA, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD SKY: Actually when we came home you would have to go out and shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve read and watched the reports about the dating site myself and I can tell you I have to be very sensitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was looking for a wealthy guy who could really take care of her and comfort her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you hear the story you have to scratch your head and wonder why.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And she claimed to leave Sky in the car.

METALWALA: I do believe Julia has -- she is responsible.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Which ran out of gas and then returned to find him missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What mother does this?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The police do not have enough evidence to arrest her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not searching for her own child. She is refusing to cooperate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very, very worrisome.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search for Sky.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police seem to believe the case hinges less on searching and still on Julia.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Mommy doesn`t have time to talk to cops, won`t take a polygraph, although daddy has taken two voluntary polygraphs, goes online repeatedly looking for a sugar daddy that can pay her up to $5,000 a month.

This is while the nation is searching for baby Sky but makes time to feed information to a network reporter claiming the baby`s disappearance is her husband`s fault because he`s Pakistani, because he is sadistic and deceptive, she says. He has something to do with it.

Hold on, mommy. Daddy wasn`t there when the baby was strapped in a car seat and left on the side of the road. You were.

We are taking your calls. I want to go quickly to Joe Gomez, KTRH. What can you tell me? We are just learning about items found in a park potentially connected to the disappearance of baby Sky. Where is the park and what are the items?

JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: It`s really disturbing. This is a park in Kirkland, Nancy. We don`t know exactly what items were found. We do know that police were using rakes and shovels. Very strange. Rakes and shovels.

This could potentially be a very, very grim discovery, Nancy. Why else would they need a shovel in a park? I presumed today -- I mean we can put two and two together. What kind of evidence do you think they found.

GRACE: Alexis, is that correct? Cops using rakes and shovels to find items of interest connected to sky`s case in a local park?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy. And they even sent a forensic team to go look at some of these items. This is a park about five miles west of the mother`s home. They sent some items for analysis. We don`t know the results yet but, Nancy, this park was closed to the public. All the while that they searched. They searched day into the night using additional searchlights so they can continue after dark.

GRACE: Victoria Taft, joining us from 860 KPAM.

Victoria, where is this park in relation to mommy`s apartment, this park where cops are digging things up with rakes and shovels?

VICTORIA TAFT, REPORTER ,860 KPAM: Nancy, it`s in Kirkland. She lives in Redmond. Her husband lives in Kirkland. So this is a place with which she is familiar about five miles away from her home, and that`s where they are now searching.

I was just mentioning about the rake issue, it is fall and it is very leafy on the ground around the pacific northwest right now so I can see why they might need rakes to get rid of some of the leaves that have fallen in that park just to see what`s underneath them.

GRACE: You know what, Victoria? I hope it`s just to get rid of leaves and not that they are digging for something in the park.

Alexis, did you tell me that they corded off the park and were digging?

WEED: Yes. This park is called Water Shed Park. They close it down to the public during the search and they searched all the way into the night using additional searchlights so they could keep on going.

GRACE: With me, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler" joining us out of D.C. What about it, Pat?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": OK, Nancy. I have a couple of things. One is, this woman reminds me of somebody who has more likely to have a narcissistic personality disorder and possible Munchausen syndrome. She likes to be the victim.

Look, if she was that paranoid about her husband, you know, stalking her and being devious, she wouldn`t have left the baby in the car so he could follow her and grab the kid. So that`s a bogus.

Now the next thing I do have a possible motive. She is on this supposed dating site. I`m sorry. That`s a prostitution site. She`s not looking to marry a millionaire. She`s looking for a guy to pay her $5,000 a month for sex.

And here`s the problem. When you go on there and she said she has two children, the boy and the girl, sometimes guys don`t want to pick up a woman, have to deal with her or pay her and she`s going to have two little kids around. You get rid of the little boy they`re much more accepting of a woman with a little girl. Just a little girl.

GRACE: Everyone, we are taking your calls.

Speaking of the different relationship between mommy and a boy, a baby boy, and mommy and a baby girl that Pat Brown just brought up, let`s hear from daddy about whether mommy was expecting a baby at all, Daddy.

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METALWALA: He wasn`t planned. He just came forward. So if you`re asking me did we plan to have a second child, I would say no and Sky was a blessing. I love Sky. I could not imagine not having him in my life. He`s such a dude. I like -- I love him.

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GRACE: To Dr. Cathleen London, physician, New York Presbyterian Hospital, professor, Will Cornell College.

Dr. London, you`ve dealt with so many moms in various predicaments. An unplanned pregnancy with a mom who is devastatingly OCD has a baby boy. What is the equation, Dr. London?

DR. CATHLEEN LONDON, M.D., ASST. ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, NY PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL, ASST. PROF. AT WELL CORNELL COLLEGE: I mean it definitely does not add up to somebody who is going to be in a happy place. She is going through a bitter custody dispute, wants to be -- wants to be supported, you know, is looking for somebody to take care of her.

This whole notion that she would even put a story up, that she left her child in the car like that was acceptable, something here, this woman is very, very disturbed. I just -- on every level. And she seems to -- the fact that she wouldn`t let her husband use the commode, that she has these OCD issues, some things adding up here that is disturbing. And it makes me wonder if something awful has happened here. And it`s very sad.

GRACE: Again, mommy -- with us Dr. Cathleen London joining us out of New York.

Mommy has not been named a suspect or a person of interest.

Joining me right now, Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert out of Raleigh, North Carolina. His research uncovers that mommy is checking in at all hours of the day or night on her dating Web site while the rest of the country looks for baby Sky.

Ben Levitan, what do you know about her last log in? Was it on Friday night?

BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: That`s right, Nancy. She logged in at five of 8:00, 7:55 Pacific Time on to the seeking arrangements Web site and prior to that she logged in on the 17th at about 5:00, nearly 6:00 Pacific, and on the day before the 16th she logs in at 3:30 in the morning.

She is spending a lot of time on the site and that`s as far back as I`ve been following. However, I also found that she spends a lot of time on the computer. On the 17th, which is Thursday night, she uploaded 30 photographs of her little girl on to a photo sharing site called Flickr. And she is obsessive about Flikr. This year so far I`ve counted that she`s uploaded over 700 photos to Flicker. And most of them are the little girl.

GRACE: Wait a minute. When does she upload the 30 photos?

LEVITAN: On Flikr the date says uploaded on the 17th of November, which is -- 30 of them were uploaded that day that I count. Also -- that would be Thursday night. And that`s also the night that she was on seeking arrangements at about 5:51.

So she -- Ben Levitan, out of Raleigh, telling us mommy is uploading dozens of pictures of her little girl on to an Internet photo album while the rest of country is looking for her little boy. Who she left strapped in a car seat on the side of the road.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are suspicious of Julia Biryukova`s story.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She claimed to leave Sky in a car.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And she claims while she went for gas.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And then returned to find him missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No sign of sky.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We feel Julia can help us.

GRACE: Mommy refuses to talk to cops.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The child is still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we`re hoping she`ll come in and talk to us.

GRACE: She had no trouble going on Facebook, accepting new friends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we can`t understand how anyone would leave a sick child in the car and then just leave her there for over an hour.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The police do not have enough evidence to arrest her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not searching for her own child. She is refusing to cooperate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very, very worrisome.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search for Sky.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police seem to believe the case hinges less on searching and still on Julia.

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GRACE: Where is 2-year-old baby Sky? We are taking your calls. To Tammy in Maryland, hi, Tammy. What`s your question?

TAMMY, CALLER FROM MARYLAND: Hi, Nancy Grace. I want to tell you I really like watching your show and your children are beautiful. They`re so precious.

GRACE: Thank you.

TAMMY: My question to you is I want to know if her husband has taken a second lie detector test and if so what it came out as? And secondly, do you think this is going to be another Casey Anthony case?

GRACE: Good question, Tammy in Maryland. To Victoria Taft, talk show host 860 KPAM.

Victoria, what do we know about daddy`s two polygraphs? I know they were both voluntary.

TAFT: They`re both voluntary. That`s right. The first one was inconclusive and the second one, well, it was inconclusive as well. And I -- that`s my understanding. And the thing is that the father is more than willing to do it. The mother has so far not done it. So that`s the bone of contention here.

GRACE: You know, Tammy in Maryland asked another good question.

Unleash the lawyers. Alex Sanchez, Darryl Cohen.

Darryl, Tammy wants to know is this going to be another tot mom case. What do you think, Darryl?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Boy, I certainly hope not because Casey Anthony is the worst of the worst of the worst, but I still say that at this moment this woman has done stupid things but nothing to indicate that she`s done something criminal, other than maybe leaving her child that was ill and she went to get gas or so she said.

So I don`t see this at this point as being that terrible and hopefully we`ll find this kid and she`ll have -- the mother will have some reasonable explanation as to why she did what she did. But right now all she`s doing is I`m -- I don`t know what else to do so I`m going to talk to this ABC reporter and I don`t have to talk to him. I can e-mail him.

GRACE: You know, Alex Sanchez, I like the way Cohen just tosses that off, she went to go get gas or so she said. She didn`t need gas in her car. The cops have already confirmed that there was nothing wrong with her car.

And, Sanchez, what do you make of her -- this is in the last couple days uploading dozens of photos off her little girl on to a family internet album but nothing -- this is as we`re all trying to find the baby boy, the 2-year-old.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, there`s something very sick going on in this particular household of hers. And I`d like to know when she was barring her husband from using the commode, you know, what alternative arrangements he made to resolve that particular issue. Maybe you can ask him that question.

But in terms of this particular case, you know, I think it`s going to be much ado about nothing. I think that she, you know, basically took that kid, is secreting that kid somewhere with a friend or somebody and thinks that she`s going to avoid the -- you know, the child ending up in the custody of the father.

I don`t think there`s any evidence of a criminal -- of a crime at this point. Why would anybody believe that she went to a park? She hates dirt. And hates digging and burying a baby there --

GRACE: Well, number one, you`re leaving the baby on the side of the road.

SANCHEZ: Yes, I think that --

GRACE: Whoa. Whoa. Evidence of a crime.

SANCHEZ: Look, I think we agree that`s --

GRACE: Is criminal negligence and child abuse, child neglect.

SANCHEZ: We agree. Nancy, we agree that`s nonsense.

GRACE: Well, you just said no crime.

SANCHEZ: OK. That may be the crime but in terms of murder I don`t think there is a crime of murder. I think there is a crime of her secreting the kid somewhere else so she can take the kid herself.

GRACE: You know what? There is absolutely no evidence that this child has been hidden anywhere. Cops have called off any type of international search.

To Nancy in Colorado, Nancy, what`s your question?

NANCY, CALLER FROM COLORADO: First of all, Nancy, let me tell you I voted for you every week on "Dancing with the Stars." I love you so much. But a couple things really bother me about this case.

GRACE: Thank you.

NANCY: It bothers me when you ask the husband a question he stutters all the time and he has to think about his answer, which makes me think he is untruthful. And the second thing is, you know, they`re each from different countries. And a lot of times they take their boys when things are happening and send them to their home countries so they`re safe and that bothers me.

GRACE: Well, we know daddy was not there when the baby went missing.

Joe Gomez, KTRH, doesn`t -- hasn`t daddy shown he`s got an alibi at the time the baby goes missing?

GOMEZ: Yes, we believe there is an alibi. It is also important to note this guy has taken polygraphs. He`s volunteered. He`s been on your show, Nancy. You were grilling him just the other night. And I mean he`s been very forthcoming with a lot of information. We don`t have any information at all that would suggest that he is in any way took little baby Sky.

GRACE: None at all. And to Victoria Taft, talk show host KPAM, we know that cops were holding on to mommy`s apartment and not releasing the apartment. She couldn`t get back in. Apparently they`re convinced there was trace evidence that they had missed and were still looking. Where is mommy?

TAFT: Well, the last time I checked she was in a hotel, secreted herself somewhere. And watching the world revolve around her and paying no attention to where her son is talking on the internet and looking for a sugar daddy.

GRACE: Again, mommy not a suspect.

Paula Bloom, psychologist, what does it mean to you that mommy is dragging in her husband Pate being Pakistani and/or Muslim that somehow that has something to do with the baby`s disappearance?

TAFT: Yes. I don`t like that. It just feels like, you know, with all of this stuff with 9/11 it just seems like she`s kind of preying on people`s worries and fears and prejudices. I don`t like that.

The other thing I find kind of interesting. She recently uploaded 30 pictures of her daughter to something where this reporter -- anybody could access it. If you`re worried about -- the safety of your kids you tend not to post tons of pictures in public places of them.

GRACE: You know another thing, Paula, very quickly, she is very willing to tell reporters that her husband is involved in the baby`s disappearance but then when they ask her about her car, having gas and working perfectly fine when she leaves it on the side of the road, she refuses to answer those questions.

PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, BLOGGER, PAULABLOOM.COM: Yes. I just find that incredibly strange and the idea is if she was blaming him in the context of giving tons of information and being transparent that`s one thing, but if that`s the only message she`s getting out there I don`t like it.

GRACE: Let`s take another look at the photos cops have just released of mommy and baby in the days before baby Sky goes missing.

Alexis, what can you tell us about these?

WEED: Nancy, There are some surveillance photos that police have now let out to the public. They say that these photos -- these surveillance photos images were taken in the hours and days leading up to Sky`s disappearance. They show the mom, she`s alone. She appears to be at a checkout counter. She`s also shown walking out of some double doors with some bags in hand.

And none of these surveillance images, Nancy, do we see Sky anywhere. She`s also dressed in this gray sweatsuit. And this is the attire that police say they believe she was wearing the day that sky was reported missing, so it could be that these truly are images within the hours of when Sky vanished.

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METALWALA: This is your son who`s missing, you know, it`s our son who`s not here, and if you know anything, please let the authorities know so they can go and get him.

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GRACE: Welcome back. The search for baby Sky in high gear. A lot of you have written and called in, wanting to know if mommy`s obsessive compulsive disorder applied to the children. What about it, daddy?

METALWALA: Yes. They -- washing of the hands was very important. We had to wash our hands when we came from -- if we left, let`s say we went to visit my mom, we would have to wash our hands at my mom`s house, and when we come home, we have to wash our hands. So wherever we left we had to wash our hands, and when we came home -- actually, when we came home, you would have to go right in the shower.

GRACE: You would have to take a shower when you got home from visiting?

METALWALA: Yes. And then -- because it would be nighttime.

GRACE: OK.

METALWALA: Then we would just go to sleep.

GRACE: Let me ask you this. How did she deal with baby sky`s poopy pants?

METALWALA: Well, all of the -- see, we had since we live in the condo, the diaper chute was on the same floor, so it was any garbage, it would -- it would be thrown outside right away.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember. Army Captain Drew Russell, 25, Warren. Killed in Afghanistan. Awarded bronze star, purple heart, army achievement medal, national defense service medal.

Loved the outdoors. Home improvement projects. Video games. Hockey. Favorite team, Detroit Red Wings. Leaves behind parents Jim and patty, grandparents, Mary, Edwin, and Marie. Brother Jimmy, girlfriend Sarah. Their dog, Peanut.

Drew Russell, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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