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Nancy Grace
Two-Year-Old Boy Goes Missing; Police Question Mother`s Story about Missing Two-Year-Old; Baby Sky`s Mom Cleaning Obsession; Chaz Bono on the Hot Seat
Aired November 24, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight to Washington state and the mystery surrounding the disappearance of a two-year-old little boy vanishing from mommy`s Acura sports car after she says she runs out of gas and leaves the car on the side of the road, taking with her four-year-old little girl but leaving the two-year-old behind strapped in a car seat. Cops say no forced entry, gas in the car, and it starts right up. So what really happened to Baby Sky? Tonight we investigate.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing two-year-old boy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looking for clues to the disappearance of Sky Metalwala.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why would you leave him in the car?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sky has disappeared but officials are scrutinizing the mother`s story.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She and the boy`s father are reportedly going through a bitter custody battle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mother told police she left him in her car in Bellevue.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the cold for an hour-and-a-half so she could get gas. They don`t know the if Sky walked away or someone took him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother is the last to have seen the child in her car and that`s what she`s been telling us.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The dogs seem to be picking up on something but we`re not really sure if it`s the child or something else.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then when she got back, the little boy was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As a mother myself, I would never leave a child alone in a car for five minutes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please just return him back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two-year-old Sky Metalwala was reported policing by his mother Julia Biryukova.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can only go of what the mother told us, but we are going to search beyond that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The child has disappeared during a custody dispute between his parents. It is an agonizing time for his father.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is he with?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mother Julia Biryukova told police she left him in her car in Bellevue.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is Julia out there in the morning at 8:50 in the morning, especially in Bellevue? She lives all the way in Redman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says the car ran out of gas and that she and her four-year-old daughter went for help.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why? I don`t get it. Sky, he`s two. He can walk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says Sky was missing when they got back to the car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officials are scrutinizing the mother`s story and say when they arrived to find the vehicle in question, they were able to start the car.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right now, what we have is the mother is the last to have seen the child.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has done something. I don`t know what she has done.
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GRACE: With us tonight is a special guest joining us exclusively in primetime, Solomon Metalwala. This is baby Sky`s father. And I think that it speaks volumes that he is here with me and with you taking your calls and questions. He is not afraid of the glare of the lights and the camera.
And with him is his attorney, very well-known in that area, attorney for baby Sky`s father Clay Terry. Both of them joining us tonight out of Seattle. Mr. Metalwala, I have two children myself, both ages four. And I can only imagine what you`re going through right now the wondering where is your baby. When did you first learn baby Sky was missing, Solomon?
SOLOMON METALWALA, DAD OF MISSING TWO-YEAR-OLD BOY BABY SKY: I found that out at 10:30 a.m. when three police officers came to my house.
GRACE: Now, are you living separately from the mother, Julia?
METALWALA: Yes, I`m living separately from her.
GRACE: And I know you guys are in the midst of a breakup, which just adds on to everything. So the mom didn`t call you? Julia didn`t call you and tell you? The police came and told you?
METALWALA: Yes, the police came and told me.
GRACE: Clay Terry, you`re the lawyer here. Why didn`t the mom call? That would be the first thing I would do is call the father. Call my parents. Call the whole family. Everybody get mobilized. We got to find the baby. Why did police have to come tell him?
LESLIE CLAY TERRY III, ATTORNEY FOR DAD OF MISSING TWO-YEAR-OLD: Good evening, Nancy. I`m -- we`re all mystified by it. It would seem like the first thing she would do is set aside any of the bad feelings or the contentious feelings because the most important thing here is the child. She didn`t do it, and she has not been in touch with the family and neither has anyone else surrounding her.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People are wondering where the mother was going at that time in the morning. And the mother was headed to Overlake hospital. She -- she told us that Sky was not feeling well. And that`s when she ran out of gas on the roadway. Everybody already knows the story she ran out of gas, got out of the car, left Sky who was sleeping in the car at the time in his car seat. And then she and her four-year-old daughter walked to a nearby gas station, it was about a mile away to call a friend and pick her up, take her back to the car.
When she reached the car, the child wasn`t there. We did an extensive search with king county search and rescue. They used their dogs. The search was suspended on Sunday night at about the 7:00 p.m., and they were confident at that time that the child was not in that area.
I don`t know if there`s been a crime yet. We`re following up on all those leads. But definitely it`s been over 48 hours, and there has been nobody that`s come forward telling us where Sky is. So, obviously, there`s -- foul play is under consideration here.
MAJOR MIKE JOHNSON, BELLEVUE, WASHINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT: So that there`s no confusion, I want to make a public invitation to Julia, via her attorney and let her know that we are open and willing to interview her and take information from her whenever she`s ready to do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the hour, Bellevue police are growing weary about the level of Julia Biryokova willingness or lack of it to take an active role in the investigation into what happened to her son Sky. Police call that flat out suspicious and quite frankly they say it`s slowing their progress.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The question is do we know more today than we did yesterday about what happened to him, and I would say no, we don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Julia Biryukova told police she`s left her children alone for hours at a time. In court records provided, we know Sky Metalwala and his sister were left to fend for themselves while her mother had her haircut, went shoe shopping, and spent 12 hours in divorce mediation, and that she Biryukova lied about it to those around her, saying someone was watching her. With so many holes in the story of what happened to Sky, the one woman with answers, his mother, just isn`t talking.
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GRACE: To Solomon Metalwala and Terry, all right Solomon, I have a couple of questions for you. I understand not long ago you and your wife left the baby in the car while you went into Target. What were you thinking?
METALWALA: That`s the worst mistake I`ve ever made in my life. And I`m very, very sorry. There`s no excuse.
GRACE: At least you manned up and said did you it and didn`t try to blame it on someone else or anything like that. Did you think the baby would be OK? Was the baby asleep? Why would you do that? I`m afraid to leave mine in the car to just run back in and get their coat or something.
METALWALA: Again, you know, there`s just no excuse. Nothing can justify what happened that evening. And -- and that`s what I -- what I`ve said.
GRACE: Solomon, I`ve got another question for you.
METALWALA: OK.
GRACE: Was baby Sky a surprise? Did Julia want to have a baby? Did she - - when she found out she was pregnant, did she want another baby girl? I mean, I notice baby Sky looks so much like you. I`ve got a couple of shots of the two of you together. And at first I said hey, quick, I want to make sure this is the boy`s biological father. I don`t need DNA now, when I look at the two of you, of you holding him, he looks like you spit him straight out of your mouth. That is your child. Did she want another baby?
METALWALA: Sky was -- he wasn`t planned. He just came forward. So if you`re asking me did we plan to have a second child, I would say no. And Sky was a blessing. I love Sky. I could not imagine not having him in my life. He`s such a dude. I love him. And I don`t know if I answered your question.
GRACE: You answered it and you actually reminded me of when I desperately wanted to have a family and I found out I was pregnant. And then a couple of months later, I found out I was having two. And that was a big surprise because I had so many plans about giving all of my attention to one. I thought how could I give so much love to two, how was I going to do it. So I`m just imagining Julia realizing she`s pregnant and then having a boy, which is a whole another can of worms than raising a girl.
You know, Solomon, I`ve looked on your wife`s Facebook. And it`s full of photos of your daughter. She calls her organic baby, her organic baby girl. Well, there`s practically nothing of Sky. I think I`ve got more pictures of him than she does. Why?
METALWALA: You know, what Julia does is a question mark. I don`t know why she would do that. I love both my kids equally.
GRACE: Have you asked her -- have you asked her, Solomon, what happened to the baby? Have you asked her?
TERRY: She`s not allowed to talk to her.
METALWALA: Yes, I`m not allowed to talk to her.
GRACE: When we come back, police take mom`s so-called empty and broken down car for a spin. The shocking results, next.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom says she left her little boy in the car a little while. She came back and says he was gone. We can only go off what the mother told us, but we`re going to search beyond that.
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GRACE: Police take mommy`s car for a test drive and quickly discover it`s working just fine. But that`s not the only problem with her story. Police say she refuses to meet with investigators one-on-one about the baby`s disappearance, but daddy`s willing to take multiple polygraphs.
Mommy insists she was taking the baby to the hospital but when she runs out of gas she drops the car off on the side of the road, leaving baby Sky strapped to the car seat asleep, comes back an hour-and-a-half later and says baby Sky is gone.
JOHNSON: The police department is the baffled by Julia`s story. We`re frustrated with the lack of information we`re getting from her. We`ve got to try and find this little boy.
GRACE: Not long ago you and your wife left the baby in the car. What were you thinking?
METALWALA: That`s the worst mistake I`ve ever made in my life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At some point, it would not be unlikely this would become a criminal investigation. However, we`re not yet there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to make a public invitation to Julia.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one woman with answers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are open and willing to interview her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re all mystified by it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His mother just isn`t talking.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What mother does this?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they and examined the car, they found 2.2 gallons of gas still in the tank.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It didn`t run out of gas according to the authorities.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both parents are engaged in a bitter divorce.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve got so many questions I don`t know where to start.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why didn`t she call the police?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leave your message after the tone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So far no one else corroborates her story that Sky was left in the car.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a couple tips where people have come forward and said they saw the vehicle and no child in it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It certainly looks suspicious. We`ve got to figure out what all that means.
METALWALA: This is our son who`s missing. You know, it`s our son who`s not here. And if you know anything, please let the authorities know so they can go and get him.
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GRACE: Solomon Metalwala is with us right now, joining us out of Seattle. He`s been leading the search for his son. Solomon, you voluntarily agreed to take a second polygraph after your first one was inconclusive. Did you take a poly?
METALWALA: Yes.
GRACE: Good for you. Did you go to police headquarters to do it?
METALWALA: No, we went to the FBI headquarters.
GRACE: Oh, I see. So Clay, you guys went to the FBI?
TERRY: Yes, we went down to the FBI headquarters in Seattle at their request. It was not taken by the Bellevue police department.
GRACE: Good to know. Solomon, did they ask you generally the same questions they asked you last time?
METALWALA: I believe we aren`t supposed to discuss that right now.
GRACE: What about that, clay Terry?
TERRY: We`ve made an agreement not to discuss the polygraph for reasons which we`ll disclose later.
GRACE: OK. I understand they may have asked you some questions specific to the investigation. I got it. Clay, did they tell you if you pass this time?
TERRY: No. The agreement was that we would not discuss it at all. And I think you understand as a former prosecutor. So we agreed not to do that.
GRACE: I do. I understand.
TERRY: But he`s volunteered. He`s always ready to assist law enforcement in any way.
GRACE: Solomon, where were you at the time baby Sky went missing? Where exactly were you?
METALWALA: I was at home getting ready to go to church.
GRACE: Solomon, we`ve been doing a little bit of investigating. It`s my understanding that there is actually a hospital very close to mommy`s apartment. Number one, why was she taking Sky to the hospital? What was the nature of his illness? And two, why didn`t she go to Evergreen hospital -- excuse me, Swedish medical center only a mile away? What do you know, Solomon?
METALWALA: No, I didn`t think about that. Yes, I don`t know why would she go to -- the only reason I can think of is maybe because she`s been to Overlake before. That`s the only thing I can think of.
GRACE: Why was he having to go to the hospital?
METALWALA: I don`t know. I haven`t seen him, remember?
GRACE: Clay Terry, what do we know? Because you know, if you`re taking a baby to the hospital, it`s that sick, you`ve got to go to the emergency room, why would you leave the baby in the car? What was the nature of baby Sky`s illness? Do you know, Clay?
TERRY: We`ve heard some rumors she said the baby was ill and she was concerned enough to get the baby dressed at 7:00, 7:30 in the morning, get the baby in the car along with the daughter, strap them into the car seats and then take them. And instead of going to Evergreen hospital, she decided to go over to Overlake. As Solomon said, it may have been because she was familiar with the hospital, but she even took -- we don`t know what was wrong and we can`t understand how anyone would leave a sick child in the car and then just leave him there for over an hour.
GRACE: Next, did mommy copy an episode of "Law and Order SVU"?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took the car and Nate was in the backseat. I was only gone for a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you kidding me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He needed diapers. I didn`t want to wake him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What were you thinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone stole my baby! Someone stole my son!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sky is still missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But claims she ran out of gas.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The story doesn`t add up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s 2.2 gallons of gas still in the tank.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother`s story is falling apart day to day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother is the last to have seen the child.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That she would leave the child alone on a chilly morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to scratch your head and wonder why. If that`s really what happened, why?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother`s version sounds a lot like an episode of "Law and Order SVU."
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GRACE: Just hours before two-year-old baby Sky disappears in an eerily similar scenario plays out on an episode of Law and Order SVU, mommy`s favorite TV show, according to daddy. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They took the car and Nate was in the backseat. I was only gone for a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you kidding me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He needed diapers. I didn`t want to wake him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What were you thinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone stole my baby! Someone stole my son!
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GRACE: That is the episode "Law and Order." It aired the night before baby Sky disappears. In it a mom tries to cover up her baby`s death claiming he was taken from her car, that she had just left the car for a brief time. Within 24 hours baby Sky is gone.
To Alexis Weed, our producer on the story. You have combed over the Law and Order episode. Did it actually air the night before the baby went missing?
ALEXIS WEED, "NANCY GRACE" PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, Nancy, it aired the night before the baby went missing and previously on October 19th. The similarities are kind of striking here. The mom tells the police she left the baby in a backseat in a car seat like Sky had been left supposedly. She pops into a convenience store to buy diapers for the boy and comes out and tells police the car is missing. Turns out the whole time baby is dead. The parents admit at the end, yes, they buried this baby on a beach.
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JOHNSON: I`ve heard about the Law and Order "SVU" episode that has great similarity tort their case. I heard it aired Saturday, the day before the disappearance of Sky. I know there are several folks up in the operation center, the command post that have taken a look at that episode and have commented that it is strikingly similar in nature.
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GRACE: Solomon, you guys are in the middle of a divorce. I understand that.
METALWALA: Yes.
GRACE: Could you explain to me one thing off the top is, is it true that "Law and Order" is one of Julia`s favorite shows?
METALWALA: Yes, it is. She loves that show. She will always watch it.
GRACE: When we come back, what happened to baby Sky? Tonight, we investigate.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman had thoughts that would not leave her mind.
SOLOMON METALWALA, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD SKY: Our daily lives were like hell.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OCD, severe OCD.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Julia did make a statement that she ran out of gas and that was the primary cause of why she stopped on the side of the road that day.
METALWALA: She kept on saying that she wanted to kill herself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I can tell you that there is a sufficient amount of gas to travel an ample distance to several gas stations.
NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Have you looked on that Facebook site? Practically no pictures of baby Sky. It`s all about the 4-year-old little girl.
METALWALA: She said it so much that Miley started to repeat, I want to kill myself.
GRACE: The mom is refusing to take a polygraph. All right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What mom doesn`t carry a cell phone with her? I mean that goes along with carrying your sippy cup and your diaper bag.
GRACE: Where is baby Sky?
METALWALA: Sky was a blessing.
GRACE: Everybody get mobilized. We`ve got to find the baby.
METALWALA: I love Sky.
GRACE: Shocking claims emerge about mommy`s OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder. Bizarre patterns of behavior. Spending up to 12 hours a day cleaning. And that`s the tip of the iceberg.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The father is claiming that she had such severe OCD, that she would vacuum in straight lines, that she would not keep food in the cupboards, not keep food in her refrigerator, leaving the kids with no food in the home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This woman was diagnosed as severe OCD.
GRACE: I know that she was an obsessive and compulsive cleaner at the house and would like only vacuum in straight lines. Is that true?
METALWALA: Yes, that`s absolutely true.
GRACE: What else would she do as far as keeping the house clean and keeping the children clean?
METALWALA: She -- she had a routine. It would go for six to seven hours. So she would clean the whole house every day. It didn`t matter if we used that area or not. But it just -- it had to be clean. All the way through. So starting from the kitchen to all the cupboards, all the plates that were outside display, if we had one or two picture frames, she had to wipe that. The mantel, the TV, everything had to be wiped out clean with just water and soap.
GRACE: OK. Hold on. You mean plates that were on display, you`d have to -- she`d clean them?
METALWALA: Yes.
GRACE: OK, I can only imagine what happened in the bathroom. How did she clean the bathroom?
METALWALA: Exact same way. Every inch, every corner, she would Windex the mirror before and after she would use the bathroom. Every corner would get cleaned with water and soap.
GRACE: OK. This is something I think I didn`t understand it. You mean after she would go in and tee-tee or urinate, she would Windex the bathroom window before and after she would use the bathroom?
METALWALA: Yes. So after she -- before and after she would clean the toilet. And then she would window the mirror because she has been inside that room. So for her to be at peace again, that room needs to get re- cleaned.
GRACE: OK, Solomon Metalwala, let me ask you this. I have 4-year-old children. They just turned 4 last weekend. They poop all the time. They vomit all the time. Their noses are running all the time. Their hands, their face, everything is dirty. I carry wet wipes with me everywhere and Purell. How did she deal with a 2-year-old boy being dirty?
METALWALA: All I can say is, Julia did not take care of Miley. As soon as Miley woke up, I had to rush home from work and take care of Miley throughout the day until it was nighttime for us to come back home.
GRACE: What about baby Sky? What about baby Sky`s poopy pants and his vomit? Did that just drive her crazy?
METALWALA: Yes, I would believe so.
GRACE: How did it manifest? What would you observe?
METALWALA: Well, she has a pattern of cleaning. She cannot stand dust over the counters. So for her to be at ease, she would need to wipe out every surface of the house. So she wouldn`t see any dust. Should I go into more detail?
GRACE: OK. What is the business about her refusing to let you use the commode?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s all right. You can tell her.
METALWALA: OK. She`s --
GRACE: Yes?
METALWALA: OK. She has -- it`s very hard to talk about this. She --
GRACE: I know that you are upset. I understand that she would not let you use the commode. What happened?
METALWALA: I was not allowed to. I wasn`t allowed to.
GRACE: But why?
METALWALA: Just wasn`t allowed to.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy?
GRACE: Did she think that you would leave germs? Was she that obsessed with cleaning cleaning?
METALWALA: Well, I mean, she used it. That wasn`t a problem. But she told me I couldn`t use it.
GRACE: I also understand that she refused to store any food in the home. Why?
METALWALA: Because if we ate at home, that means she would have to clean up the whole entire area, but she did that anyway. So it would just create more of a mess. And she didn`t like messes.
GRACE: Is it true that she would keep the family out of the home while she was cleaning?
METALWALA: Yes.
GRACE: Her cleaning obsession, Solomon, did it extend to the children? Was she obsessed about them being clean as well?
METALWALA: Yes. Yes. They -- washing of the hands was very important. We had to wash our hands when we came from -- if we left -- let`s say we were at my mom`s, we would have to wash our hands at my mom`s house and then when we come home, we have to wash our hands.
So where were we left, we have to wash our hands and when we came home -- actually when we came home, you would have to go right in the shower.
GRACE: You`d have to take a shower when you got home from visiting?
METALWALA: Yes. And then because it would be nighttime.
GRACE: OK.
METALWALA: Then we would just go to sleep.
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GRACE: With me is Chaz Bono who has shockingly just said, who is tot mom? He actually said "top mom."
CHAZ BONO, CONTESTANT, "DANCING WITH THE STARS": So it`s tot mom? It`s tot, T-O-T.
GRACE: Are you serious?
BONO: Yes, I`m serious. I know it`s Casey Anthony, right? But I don`t know what does it mean.
GRACE: I just kind of gave that to you.
BONO: What -- no, I said it right away. I said, is that Casey Anthony? But what is -- what`s the -- where does the nickname come from?
GRACE: OK.
BONO: Like she`s a toddler herself or she -- what is it? Just explain it to me.
GRACE: She`s the mom of a tot. She`s a tot mom.
BONO: Of a toddler.
GRACE: Yes.
BONO: OK.
GRACE: A toddler that was murdered.
BONO: Yes, I know, I know what happened.
GRACE: OK. Obviously, he`s not going to go --
BONO: I told you.
GRACE: -- to law school or police academy anytime soon.
BONO: No, obviously.
GRACE: OK. Those of you, just mark that off, big X on that.
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BONO: Did you ever think that would be my next move?
GRACE: Hold it back, Nancy.
BONO: Police academy.
GRACE: Police Academy 4. Well, he`s not filming "Police Academy 4." He`s actually filming "Being Chaz."
Now, you know, you`re all famous because you can just do a whole show on yourself. So what is "Being Chaz"?
BONO: We shot it probably about a month before I starred dancing.
GRACE: Who is we?
BONO: We is -- no, no, we is World of Wonder who did my first documentary. So started filming it about a month before started dancing. And filmed it all the way through until elimination. GRACE: And is it about you or is it about you on "Dancing with the Stars"?
BONO: It`s about me and there`s a good amount of behind the scenes of "Dancing with the Stars."
GRACE: Well, it`s a treasure trove.
BONO: Thank you.
GRACE: A treasure trove. OK.
BONO: It is. It`s -- you know, it`s quite dramatic actually.
GRACE: And for anybody that wonders about Chaz, he is a real man because when we were practicing together for "Dancing with the Stars," he burped all the time and he never said excuse me. Ever. He would just like do it. Ugh.
All right. Back to "Being Chaz."
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Which is going to air on OWN.
BONO: On OWN.
GRACE: The Oprah Winfrey Network.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: 11-27.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: At 8:00 p.m.?
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Whoa, 8:00 p.m. Eastern?
BONO: Yes, 8:00 p.m. Eastern.
GRACE: I`m sorry. That`s the same time as my show.
BONO: Oh, no. Well, DVR. Just DVR --
GRACE: OK. No, wait --
BONO: DVR mine. That`s all.
GRACE: 11-27. What night of the week is that?
BONO: That`s a Sunday.
GRACE: OK. Sunday night, 11 -- is that the Sunday after Thanksgiving?
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Question.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: I thought -- I`m going to get back to "Being Chaz."
BONO: OK.
GRACE: The documentary about Chaz.
BONO: Right.
GRACE: But I want to go to you "Dancing with the Stars."
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: I would like to say that your final dance where it was "Phantom of the Opera," which I have heard my mother play a million times.
BONO: Me too.
GRACE: She`s a professional musician. And I thought --
BONO: So was mine.
GRACE: Yes, your mom is a musician?
BONO: Well, to a degree. The voice is an instrument.
GRACE: What`s a -- what does she play?
BONO: She doesn`t play anything. She sings.
GRACE: Oh, wait. Who`s your mom? Oh. That Cher person.
BONO: That`s right.
GRACE: Oh, yes, who PS, I never told you this is one of the few people I tried to go see in concert in Vegas and couldn`t get in. OK. Now that was before --
BONO: No, I was going to say, if it happens again, you know who to call.
GRACE: I want to go back to your dance.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Your final dance, "Phantom of the Opera," was your best dance.
BONO: Thank you.
GRACE: It was absolutely your best dance. Now there was the rocky dance which I loved.
BONO: Right.
GRACE: And there was the `80s dance to --
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Get your back up off the floor.
BONO: Right.
GRACE: Get your back up off the wall. That was good.
BONO: Yes. The butt shake.
GRACE: That was really good. And -- so I completely disagree with the judges in their scores.
BONO: I did too.
GRACE: Now, you know, everybody`s got to be thrown off at some point.
BONO: Absolutely.
GRACE: You can`t all stay on until the very end. And you know I accepted my fate graciously because I knew -- you know, we were all going to --
BONO: We knew it was a matter of time.
GRACE: Yes. It was going to happen.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: We knew from the get-go.
BONO: We weren`t going to make it.
GRACE: That JR and Ricki and somebody else would be in the finals.
BONO: And somebody else. Yes.
GRACE: But I disagreed with their scoring. And some of their comments.
BONO: Yes.
GRACE: Did you take -- I took a lot -- I took it with a smile because I knew everybody was just waiting for me to argue and be held in contempt.
BONO: That`s good.
GRACE: That`s real court. But did some of their comments actually hurt your feelings?
BONO: You know what it is? It was really a cumulative thing. And like that night it hit me that, you know, the comments had been kind of going in this direction. And like you know, when you do a dance, as soon as it`s over, you know if you nailed it or if you messed it up. Right?
And so as soon as that dance was over, I was like oh, yes, I nailed it. I was like pumped up and felt great and then I got the scores and I got the comments, and I was just like, oh, my god, what do I have to do.
GRACE: OK. First of all, we do not say OMG on NANCY GRACE.
BONO: OK.
GRACE: You can say something else, but don`t say OMG. You can say any other thing in the book but don`t drag Christ or God into it.
BONO: OK.
GRACE: Now, I`m not Catholic but you can leave Mary out of that whole thing, too. Now so you thought --
BONO: But I`m sure like, you know, holy (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is probably.
GRACE: Bleep that. Bleep that. I insist.
BONO: You said anything.
GRACE: I know but I didn`t think you`d really do it. OK. You know what? Enough about you. "Being Chaz," Oprah Winfrey Network, 11-27 Sunday night 8:00 p.m. I`m going to graciously ask you to watch it instead of moi.
BONO: No, just DVR it. I`m fine with that.
GRACE: You know what, Chaz?
BONO: These are your fans. This is your show.
GRACE: You know what? You made a lot -- let me just say unique decisions in your life when you decided to become a guy. And you`ve taken a lot of heat for that. A lot of haters out there. And ever since I`ve known you from the very beginning, you were low key, laid back, friendly, and you accepted me just the way I am with no preconceived ideas on day one, we became friends.
BONO: We did.
GRACE: And everybody, we were together seven and eight hours a day, seven days a week.
BONO: This is true.
GRACE: I was with my partner Tristan, and the other dancers, and you and I were really there practicing.
BONO: Together every day.
GRACE: Yes. A lot. A lot. We -- I liked -- I wanted to practice. I wanted to nail it.
BONO: Oh, yes, I loved it.
GRACE: But you know what, Chaz? I really appreciate how kind you were to me from day one.
BONO: Oh, we hit it off immediately. I remember when I met you the first day and you were getting your makeup done and I came in and said hi.
GRACE: Did we meet the night of the reveal?
BONO: Yes, the night of the reveal.
GRACE: That`s right. That`s when it was.
BONO: That`s when it was. Yes, Howard brought me down. And that was it. Fast friends.
GRACE: What do you want to achieve in your documentary "Being Chaz"?
BONO: You know, I mean I think with "Being Chaz," it was really more about just kind of slice of life and you know, we wanted it --
GRACE: Do you burp in it?
BONO: I do once, yes.
GRACE: Good. Good to know.
BONO: We wanted it to be actually really fun and light and it turned out to be anything but that because a lot of pressure started to hit me, and my relationship, and we were going through a lot and "Dancing with the Stars" happened. So there are a few light moments but I think it`s really fascinating and interesting to watch.
GRACE: You know what`s interesting about "Dancing with the Stars," whenever I would be in court arguing a case, it wasn`t about me. It was about the crime victim.
BONO: Right.
GRACE: And me trying to get justice. On my nightly show on HLN, it`s not about me, it`s about the story.
BONO: Right.
GRACE: It`s about the crime victim and trying to get justice. But "Dancing with the Stars" is about you personally.
BONO: Absolutely.
GRACE: And the pressure is really intense. At least as far as the --
BONO: Oh, my god.
GRACE: -- stars, the pros are like, hey, you know.
BONO: No, I think it`s really intense for the pros, too, especially the longer you hang in there.
GRACE: Yes.
BONO: You know? They get -- it`s a pressure cooker.
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GRACE: But "Dancing with the Stars" was right on the heels of a lot of decisions in your life. You know what I say, Chaz, I`ve never been accused of being nice, OK? And I`m certainly not accused of being a saint. And there are a lot of haters out there.
But I always fall back on I`m not going to be the one to throw the first stone ever. You know, that`s what Christ said. You think you`re so great, fine. You throw the first stone. And my opportunity to get to know Chaz has been a big blessing in my life.
BONO: Thank you, mine, too.
GRACE: So tonight I ask you to open your mind and your heart and check out "Being Chaz" on OWN, Oprah Winfrey Network, 11-27, 8:00 p.m.
And what will the viewers take a way from "Being Chaz"? What will they learn?
BONO: You know, I think -- well, first of all, they`re going to show my original documentary, "Becoming Chaz" which we got nominated for three Emmy`s with.
GRACE: Who-hoo.
BONO: Yes, beforehand. And then into this, and it`s just I think a deeper look into me and what my life is like on a day-to-day basis. And I think it`s -- you know, I think it`s going to entertain people, and again, you know, always kind of at the bottom of everything I do is I really, you know, there`s so much misinformation about what it means to be transgender, and so much prejudice, and people just don`t understand it.
And I know that if I can get out there and people will, you know, give me the opportunity to get to know me a little bit. It`s -- you know, they`re going to learn something knew.
GRACE: I have a question. All right. Those state`s exhibit one. Are those two earpiercings in your ear?
BONO: Mm-hmm.
GRACE: OK. Let me see you tongue.
BONO: No. No other piercings.
GRACE: Are there piercings anywhere else.
BONO: No.
GRACE: That I need to know about?
BONO: None.
GRACE: OK.
BONO: No.
GRACE: "Being Chaz," Oprah Winfrey Network, 11-27, Sunday night, 8:00 p.m.
BONO: Thanks. My buddy.
GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army First Sergeant Tobias Meister, 30, Jenks, Oklahoma. Killed Afghanistan. Highly decorated. Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Five Army Achievement Medals, two Army Commendation Medals. Drill Sergeant of the Year. Fourth degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Texas state Golden Gloves boxing champ. And kickboxer.
Loved being a Sunday school teacher. Leaves behind parents Dave and Judy, brother TJ, widow Alicia, son William.
Tobias Meister, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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