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Nancy Grace
Arrest Warrant in Missing Michigan 2-Year-Old Case
Aired December 15, 2011 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Michigan. 9:25 AM, Daddy driving along a busy thoroughfare with his 2-year-old, Bianca, suddenly, broad daylight, the Mercury four-door carjacked by two unknown armed assailants. Within minutes, cops spot the car less than a mile away, in mint condition, the baby gone.
Daddy lawyers up and fails a polygraph, and as of tonight, he`s yet to go out and search for his little girl. Reconfirmed, cadaver dogs hit on Bianca`s carseat and in Daddy`s apartment. After we air Bianca`s story, eyewitnesses tell cops Daddy parks the car in an alley, then just walks away.
Bombshell tonight. Sources tell us there is an arrest warrant in baby Bianca`s disappearance. Is that warrant for Daddy? Daddy under constant surveillance at this hour as new eyewitnesses emerge. Tonight, where is 2- year-old Bianca?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
D`ANDRE LANE, BIANCA`S FATHER: I don`t know what else they want from me, but I`m giving them everything that they asked for.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are seeking charges against Bianca`s father in connection with the 2-year-old`s disappearance.
LANE: I was on my way to her mother`s house moments before the car was carjacked.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uncle (ph) carried to the car, and my little cousin buckled her up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wasn`t sleeping?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. She was awake.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was called and told that there had been a carjacking and my daughter had been kidnapped.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are closing in on Bianca`s father, D`Andre Lane, skeptical of his initial carjacking story.
LANE: I was yelling, My daughter`s in the car, my daughter`s in the car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doubt Bianca`s father`s story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a gun pointed at me. My daughter`s in the car.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And my day went from normal to horror in just seconds.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was alive. She was active. You saw her, and you interacted with her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dogs smelled signs of human decomposition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s just look for Bibi (ph).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight off the top, let`s go to Alexis Weed, on the story. Alexis, what can you tell me about an arrest warrant in place tonight?
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, this is actually a request for an arrest warrant. This is a packet that police have submitted to the Wayne County prosecutor, asking them to evaluate whether or not charges are appropriate in this case.
GRACE: To Victoria Taft, talk show host at KPAM. Victoria, our sources telling us the arrest warrant is for Daddy. What do you know, Victoria?
VICTORIA TAFT, TALK SHOW HOST, AM 860 KPAM: All I know is what two agencies -- news agencies -- are reporting. And they`re both reporting from their sources with the police department that the warrant is for the father.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Ashley in Alabama. Hi, Ashley. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I just want to tell you that I love you and I love your show and I love what -- everything that you do for everybody.
GRACE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I actually have a question and I have a comment, if that`s OK. The question is, has the father been in any kind of trouble with any of his children, you know, before this happened?
And my comment is, I love how you support the truth and you put pictures of all of the soldiers that have died and you tell about them. And I`m just asking to you please go on FaceBook and search (ph) for justice for Sergeant Ron McNeil Green (ph). It`s my brother. And I think -- me and my family think you`re the only person that can help us get to the truth on what`s going on.
GRACE: You know what, Ashley in Alabama? Don`t hang up. Our producers are getting right with you regarding your brother.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much.
GRACE: I`m going to throw the question straight out to Alexis. What do we know about any of Daddy`s criminal history? And does any of his rap sheet relate to children?
WEED: Not as far as we know, it does not relate to children, Nancy. But we know that in 2003, D`Andre Lane was charged with drug -- controlled substance possession, as well as a felony firearm possession. He served more than three years in prison for that charge. Also, a 2002 conviction for receiving and concealing stolen property, as well as a 1995 conviction for an assault with intent to commit armed robbery, as well as conspiracy charges, Nancy. She served -- he served probation on those charges.
GRACE: Let`s take a listen to what Daddy had to say to us.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Mr. Johnson, actually, you are arousing suspicion because instead of answering the questions head on or straightforwardly...
TERRY JOHNSON, LANE`S ATTORNEY: We`ve answered them.
GRACE: ... you`re using this as an infomercial for you and for your client...
JOHNSON: No.
GRACE: ... who claims he doesn`t care about himself.
JOHNSON: No.
GRACE: Frankly, sir, his story stinks.
JOHNSON: No. We`ve answered those questions.
GRACE: It stinks to high heaven.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: ... and he won`t answer any specific questions!
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Joining us right now is Kelly Jones. This is Bianca`s aunt. Ms. Jones, thank you for being with us tonight.
KELLY JONES, BIANCA`S AUNT (via telephone): Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Ms. Jones, what can you tell us about the search about Bianca? And what does your family know about an arrest warrant for Daddy?
JONES: Well, we haven`t heard anything about the arrest warrant being for the father or anything. The only thing that we know as far as the arrest warrant is that it was submitted to the Wayne County prosecutor`s office. That`s all we know with that.
As far as our search, we never stopped searching. We are continuing to search. I`m working with independent groups to try to continue searches to find Bianca and bring her back home safely to us.
GRACE: Ms. Jones -- everyone, Bianca`s aunt is with us. Ms. Jones, you are the sister of the mother, or the sister of the father?
JONES: I am Banika Jones`s sister, the sister of the mother.
GRACE: Ms. Jones, you stated that your family, you, were told that an arrest warrant has been submitted. You guys didn`t say, For who?
JONES: No. That information was not disclosed to us.
GRACE: OK. When did you learn there was an arrest warrant?
JONES: Well, I`m hearing it from the news and things like that. Even though we`ve tried to stay away from the news, I am hearing it through the news and other family members calling me about it.
GRACE: With us right now is Kelly Jones. This is Bianca`s aunt. Ms. Jones, what have you been told, or the family been told, from police -- not news outlets, from police -- about what happened the day Bianca goes missing?
JONES: Well, from police, the only thing that I`ve really gotten is the fact that he said that he was carjacked and she was in the car, and then she wasn`t in the car. Anything after that kind of just is a blur to me because my whole focus from the very first phone call has been just bring my niece back home to us home safely.
GRACE: Ms. Jones, where -- what is your understanding as to where the alleged carjack went down?
JONES: To my understanding, he was saying he was a couple of blocks away from my sister`s house. I actually attempted to call him immediately after I heard, to find out details, but he did not provide me with anything. So I just have been just going off instincts and just pure prayers and (INAUDIBLE) just try to find her and bring her back.
GRACE: Ms. Jones, did you say you called him, the father?
JONES: Yes, immediately after I heard the news. And this was about 9:30, 9:45.
GRACE: And what did you ask him? And what did he say?
JONES: Well, I asked, you know, What`s going on? What happened? It was just, like, a lot of confusion and yelling and things in the background. The conversation didn`t even last perhaps 10 seconds because I just disconnected and just shot over to the house to try to help out as much as I could.
GRACE: So when you asked him, did he even answer?
JONES: He started stuttering. I didn`t get a full explanation. And it was like, you know, just sitting on the phone listening him stuttering felt like a waste of time. So I just disconnected the call and immediately...
GRACE: You know what, Ms. Jones? I`m going to play something for you. Liz if you could somehow manage to dig up my interview with D`Andre Lane, Bianca`s father.
Ms. Jones, I had the same problem with him. I asked him every which way you can imagine to explain to me -- or even his lawyer, to explain to me what happened at the time of the carjack. And it was like pulling teeth. And by the way, I never even got even the tiniest sliver of an answer. Take a listen, Kelly Jones.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Since you`re saying you don`t care about yourself, then I`m going to ask you to tell me what happened when Bianca was taken. What happened? Where were you, at a red light or a stop sign?
JOHNSON: Nancy, again, the focus is to get Bianca back.
GRACE: All right...
JOHNSON: And I`m sure you`re going to shut me off -- I know you`re going to cut me off and not let me finish. But again, we`ve given those statements to the police.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Kelly Jones with us tonight, the aunt of Bianca. I went `round and `round and `round with him, and his lawyer, never got an answer. After that 15 -- 10, 15-second phone call you had with him, Kelly, has he ever told you guys his version of what happened the day the 2-year-old goes missing?
JONES: No. I actually didn`t have an opportunity. When I pulled up onto -- up to my sister`s house, he was sitting, like, on the stairs of the porch. I ran over to him and attempted to ask him. But immediately after that, the officers pulled him to the side and started talking to him individually.
After that, I`ve just had no contact with him and have not been able to get in touch with him to ask anything.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Everyone, joining us tonight, in addition to Bianca`s aunt, who tried her best to get answers out of the dad, as we go to air tonight, there is a warrant in place for an arrest in the disappearance of 2-year-old Bianca. Our sources say that warrant is for Daddy, the warrant yet to be issued. We believe an arrest of Daddy is imminent.
The lawyers joining us tonight, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta. Also with us, Renee Rockwell.
OK, Renee. Every time anybody tries to ask him about what happened, he starts stuttering. Not a good look (ph) because he normally doesn`t stutter.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, don`t you think he may be traumatized? And if he`s got a lawyer, certainly, the lawyer has said, No more statements.
GRACE: OK, Odom.
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And Nancy, don`t forget, I mean, he`s not a professional talker on television. He`s not a TV star.
GRACE: Really? Because when...
ODOM: Everybody gets nervous...
(CROSSTALK)
ODOM: Everybody gets nervous...
GRACE: ... they were just on the phone.
ODOM: Everybody gets nervous on...
GRACE: The sister wasn`t on TV.
ODOM: Well, that was a 10-second conversation and they-
GRACE: Because he`s stuttering.
ODOM: ... really didn`t have any substantive conversation.
GRACE: He stuttered!
ODOM: Yes, he was stuttering.
(CROSSTALK)
ODOM: So he stuttered. Stuttering doesn`t mean guilt, Nancy.
GRACE: No, he doesn`t stutter. He does not stutter!
ODOM: Sometimes people stutter when they`re nervous.
GRACE: I personally spoke to him on issues other than his daughter`s disappearance, he didn`t stutter at all.
ODOM: Does stuttering mean guilt?
GRACE: So when anybody -- as I was saying, when anybody asks him about the moment his baby was taken, he stutters.
Dr. Bethany Marshall, forget the JD, I need a shrink. What about it?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, it tells me that he is so used to relating to people on the basis of power and violence that he always gets his way. And whatever story he tells his family, they believe him, and he didn`t count on being able to come on your show and that you would question him. So that`s why he is so evasive is because, obviously, he has something to hide.
GRACE: Bethany -- Dr. Bethany...
MARSHALL: Yes?
GRACE: ... did you just say he believed he was coming on this show and I was not going to question him? Did you just say that?
MARSHALL: Someone like him does not imagine that they will be questioned by anybody. He thought he could commit the alleged crime and that no one would question him. He did not think out his story ahead of time. That`s what we see with these offenders, is they don`t have cause- and-affect thinking, so they tell very shallow lies and very shallow stories.
GRACE: Bethany, can you address Peter Odom and Renee Rockwell? What does it mean to you that the only time he goes, Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh is when somebody asks him, Where`s Bianca? What happened? That`s the only time he gets tongue-tied!
MARSHALL: I think it`s because he has something to hide and he hasn`t thought through his story.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. The reward is mounting in the search for 2-year-old baby Bianca, allegedly the victim of a carjack gone back. Tip line, 313-596-2260. An arrest warrant in place. Is Daddy on the verge of arrest?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police are closing in on Bianca`s father, D`Andre Lane.
LANE: I`m the bad guy right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lane says it was just he and Bianca inside his car when he says he was carjacked.
LANE: I was on my way to her mother`s house moments before the car was carjacked.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But cops are not buying the story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Skeptical of his initial carjacking story.
LANE: I`m not the villain here. The villain is the person who has my daughter.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls tonight. Tonight, the search intensifies for 2-year-old baby Bianca, as we learn from various sources an arrest warrant in place in the disappearance of the 2-year-old child. Is that warrant for Daddy? Witnesses come forward after we air Bianca`s disappearance, saying they observed Daddy parking his car and leaving it, no baby in sight.
To Alexis Weed. What can you tell me about that report?
WEED: Right, Nancy. One witness is saying to one of the locals there that he saw -- he`s a city bus driver. He said he saw Lane`s vehicle in the area of the alleged carjacking. Also, another witness comes forward allegedly saying that she was peering out a window to a nearby office building, and she says she saw Lane pull his car into this alley and then just walk away.
GRACE: Now, Alexis, let me get this straight. That`s two independent witnesses that don`t know each other, a bus driver and a woman looking out a window, is that what you said?
WEED: That`s right.
GRACE: They see him park the car down this ally and get out and walk away?
WEED: That`s right.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Peter Odom, Renee Rockwell. All right, neither one you explained your way out of that last bag I put you in about the stuttering.
(LAUGHTER)
GRACE: Let`s have a shot at this one, Rockwell. Go ahead. Two independent witnesses!
ROCKWELL: Nancy...
GRACE: They`re not in league together. They not related to anybody, nothing. Go ahead.
ROCKWELL: The first witness does not necessarily identify him. The second witness sees somebody walking away from the car. Does it have to be him? I`d want to know a little more about the lighting, what time it was, how far away she was. Was she looking out the window with her glasses on? Does she wear glasses? I`m not ready to execute this guy yet, Nancy.
GRACE: Well, you know, Renee, no one has mentioned execution. And FYI, Michigan does not have the death penalty.
ROCKWELL: Thank goodness.
GRACE: So let`s try to get our facts and our law straight.
ROCKWELL: It`s not enough...
GRACE: And I appreciate the big smile, but I`ve seen it before. Not impressed.
OK, Alexis Weed, let`s go back to the witnesses. Now, you stated that one of them identifies D`Andre Lane as getting out of that car, identifies him, because now my lawyers are saying, Well, maybe it`s not him. What do we know?
WEED: Right. This is the second witness, and according to WDIV, they`re saying that this witness was looking out of a building nearby, a dead end alley. And remember, the car was eventually found by police in an alley. This witness says that it was D`Andre Lane.
GRACE: OK, so we`ve got a positive ID. And remember, regarding the lighting -- to both of you two defense attorneys, I know where you`re going, where you test an eyewitness`s veracity. How far away were you? What was the lighting? Did you wear glasses? How long did you have to observe the suspect or the person that you`re ID`ing. I know that. It`s in the statute as to questioning an eyewitness. I`m very familiar with that. I know it by heart.
But here you`ve got an eyewitness in broad daylight that positively identifies D`Andre Jones as parking his car and leaving it, no baby insight! Significance?
Back me up on this, Joe Gomez -- Joe Gomez, news director, KTRH. The significance is that just moments later, after he leaves the car in an alley, he reports Bianca gone. He reports the carjack.
JOE GOMEZ, KTRH (via telephone): You`re right, Nancy. All the events leading up to this are very bizarre. And it`s no wonder it seems that the (INAUDIBLE) have identified him in an arrest warrant, Nancy. There`s no telling (ph).
GRACE: Out to the lines. Marcia, Pennsylvania. Hi, Marcia. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. First off, I just want to tell you I can`t believe that -- I watched that interview the other night you had with the dad, and I can`t believe he would not give you a description of...
GRACE: Nothing!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the alleged abductors, not that I believe him. My question is, there`s reports of a 7-year-old witness, Bianca being beaten by her dad. And I was wondering who that 7-year-old is, and where are they now?
GRACE: OK, what do we know, Alexis Weed?
WEED: Nancy, there were some initial reports that there was a 7-year- old who may have been in the home on that Thursday night before Bianca went missing, saying that the father was allegedly beating Bianca, that she might not have been responsive afterward.
But again, police will not confirm these reports, and we don`t know much more than that about the 7-year-old or who she is or he is.
GRACE: An arrest warrant in place tonight, according to our sources. Is Daddy, D`Andre Lane, on the verge of arrest in this little girl`s disappearance?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My day went from normal to horror in just seconds.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) was with D`Andre Lane, who is his uncle, Bianca Jones and two other kids.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you were with her, how was she?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had spoken to my daughter the night before, and she was fine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was normal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a small window between when Trabeon (ph) was taken home by Lane at 8:00 AM and when Lane called 911 at 9:55.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) on the couch, she smiled at me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That morning?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, please to just bring Bianca home.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Liz, pull me that sound, please, the information from a local affiliate regarding the father, D`Andre Lane, telling police that when they find the little girl that she`ll be covered in bruises and that she was ill as he was driving around town, seeking financial aid for school.
The plot seems to thicken tonight as we learn from various sources an arrest warrant is in place. Is an arrest imminent?
Take a listen to what we learned.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: D`Andre Lane said he was carjacked and a stranger took Bianca. Investigators say they are highly skeptical of Lane`s story, wondering if there was a carjacking at all. They`re also questioning why the father told police if his daughter was found, she may have bruising on her legs, and why Lane said the 2-year-old was very sick the morning of the alleged carjacking.
GRACE: Joining us tonight exclusively, Bianca`s aunt, Kelly Jones. Kelly, what do you know about Bianca allegedly being very sick that morning?
JONES: Sorry about that, Miss. I didn`t hear about her about being sick until maybe about two days ago, when someone stated that she was sick. And I heard that via the news also.
GRACE: So Mom didn`t know anything about her being sick?
JONES: No, she was not sick any time prior to her disappearance. We were not informed at all of that.
GRACE: Daddy`s story getting more and more fantastical as the moments pass.
To Detective Lieutenant Steven Rogers, former member, FBI joint terrorism task force, deputy lieutenant at the Nutley Police Department. Thank you for being with us, Steve.
DET. LT. STEVEN ROGERS, NUTLEY, NJ, POLICE DEPARTMENT: You`re welcome, Nancy.
GRACE: The facts, while they are not at this point conflicting with each other, don`t you find it odd that the father never mentioned to the mom the baby is sick, is very sick, and covered with bruises?
ROGERS: Extremely odd. In fact, the whole story is odd. Nancy, as you know, our experience in law enforcement simply says that the modus operandi of carjackers is to steal cars. They`re not into kidnapping babies. His story is full of holes.
GRACE: Tonight, we learn an arrest imminent, an arrest warrant in place. Sources confirming that warrant is for Daddy. Tonight, where is 2- year-old baby Bianca?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... tell police detectives he was carjacked, that thieves took off not only with his car but also with daughter Bianca, who was inside the vehicle at the time. But cops are not buying the story.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
D`ANDRE LANE, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD BABY BIANCA, CLAIMS CARJACKER KIDNAPPED DAUGHTER: I`m not the villain here.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are closing in on Bianca`s father, D`Andre Lane.
LANE: This is not fair to me.
GRACE: This is not about you. This is about her.
LANE: It`s not fair to Bianca.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are seeking charges against Bianca`s father, skeptical of his initial carjacking story.
LANE: There were two people in the car. One person got out the car. Aimed the firearm at me.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators say they are highly skeptical of Lane`s story, wondering if there was a carjacking at all.
LANE: Until there is evidence, until there something saying that this is what`s going on, let`s just look for BB.
BANIKA JONES, MOM OF 2-YEAR-OLD GIRL ALLEGEDLY SNATCHED DURING CARJACKING: I want to keep the focus solely on the search for my daughter.
LANE: The villain is the person who has my daughter. And my daughter needs to be found.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back. We are taking your calls tonight. We understand from our sources, an arrest warrant is in place. Is the arrest in the disappearance of 2-year-old baby Bianca imminent? And is the name on that warrant for daddy?
We are taking your calls, but first, I want to go back to Victoria Taft, talk show host, joining us from KPAM.
Victoria, again, thank you for being with us. What is disturbing me is that no arrest has yet been made. This is after cadaver dogs hit on the baby`s car seat. This is after witnesses come forward to attack daddy`s story about a carjack ever happening. I guess they are looking for a body at this point.
But what I want to know is, do you know, Victoria Taft -- you`re on the story. Is it true that there is 24-hour surveillance on daddy?
VICTORIA TAFT, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST, AM 860 KPAM: That`s my understanding, and furthermore, the FBI has a hand in this. The father is being watched. That`s one of the reasons why they have not issued the warrant yet or brought it forward yet to issue the warrant against the father. Because they want to see what he`s going to do. And that`s exactly why they`re doing that.
GRACE: Now, Victoria Taft, we went round and round with the father and his lawyer here on our program regarding a polygraph. He apparently failed questions regarding the whereabouts of the little girl. It was like pulling a tooth, Victoria. But what`s your understanding regarding the poly?
TAFT: Well, now, as I understand it, when they brought in the specialist from the FBI to question him and to institute the polygraph, he failed the polygraph on two questions. One, did he have anything to do with her disappearance? And where is she now? He failed both of those questions.
GRACE: And, Victoria, question. Tonight, a new eyewitness emerges. It is D`Andre Lane`s 15-year-old nephew, coming forward, stating he saw the little girl alive that morning, and that she was placed in the car alive.
Now, is this his -- D`Andre Lane`s blood relative or the mother`s blood relative?
TAFT: No, this is D`Andre Lane`s blood relative. This is Treveon Lane, this is a 15-year-old relative. But for whatever reason, he`d never met the 2-year-old victim in this case until that week.
GRACE: You know what? You cut out on me? Did you say he had never met her or seen her until that week?
TAFT: He had never met her before that week.
GRACE: Interesting. What more do we know about Treveon Lane? A young man coming forward. He`s a blood relative of the father, stating the little girl was alive and well that morning. What more do we know about him and his timeline?
TAFT: Well, the timeline is very odd. For instance, he did claim to see the child the night before and that she was in good health. Then we have that morning where we have him, as well as other children in the presence of Bianca, see Bianca and see that she`s alert. Then one of the children actually buckles her into her child safety seat in the car.
Then we have the father, taking the 2-year-old, as well as the son -- I mean, excuse me, the new witness that`s come forward, Treveon, that taking him to school and home. Home first, then school. And then such -- we have commencing the carjacking. That`s what happened. That`s essentially the timeline, and every time he said he had seen the child, she was in the car, then when they were stopped out -- when he was dropped off at home, as well as when he was dropped off at school.
GRACE: Now, Victoria, other than D`Andre Lane`s blood relative, did anyone else see the baby alive after she was put in the car seat? Because that is where the cadaver dog hit, on the car seat.
TAFT: It hit the car seat and they hit, of course, the back at the apartment, the father`s house.
GRACE: Right.
TAFT: The other thing is, though, that there`s supposedly some surveillance tape. We don`t know if this is from the 15-year-old`s school or if it`s Wayne Community College, which is where the father said he was going to go to see about financial aid. But there is out there some surveillance tape that appears to be from a school and in that, we don`t know whether or not there was a child in the car.
GRACE: So many pieces to the puzzle missing. But I know this, Victoria Taft.
Victoria, talk show host, joining us from KPAM. There`s an arrest warrant in place right now.
TAFT: There is.
GRACE: So I know police obviously are not buying daddy`s story, because the name on that warrant, according to our sources, is D`Andre Lane. Now it`s our duty to make all witnesses speak the truth and to impugn perjury on no one.
So let`s try to do that. Let`s try to do that right now. And I`m going to go out to Alexis Weed, also on the story.
Alexis, the 15-year-old nephew and the other little children could be telling the truth, all right? Number one, the child may have been alive and well when placed in that car seat. Then it`s my understanding from Victoria Taft that the nephew, the 15-year-old, was left -- dropped off. The baby still in the car seat. But when that car was parked by daddy, according to two independent witnesses, no baby.
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right.
GRACE: Everyone can be telling the truth. Can they not?
WEED: That`s true. And I should add that the nephew also says to one local station there, that Bianca was in the car seat when he was dropped off at school. But you`re right, Nancy. They all could be telling the truth. But on those surveillance tapes, as far as we know, nowhere is Bianca seen on those tapes.
GRACE: So sometime between, Alexis Weed, daddy dropping the nephew off and calling 911, and leaving his car in that alley, according to two independent witnesses, the baby is gone. We`ve got cadaver dog hits in the car seat and at daddy`s apartment.
Let`s go out to the lines. Candy, Illinois. Hi, Candy, what`s your question?
CANDY, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, I just wanted to say I love your show, and my whole question is, is why don`t these people who commit crimes save us all the time and energy and just confess? They know they`re going to get caught. It`s a waste of taxpayers` money.
Also, I think that they who commit the crimes, not us innocent people out here doing the right thing, working and paying taxes, should have to foot their bill. I think they should have to repay any and all expenses that the city forks out for them, being that there`s -- the ones who are committing these crimes, and I don`t care if they have to do, you know, community service for the rest of their lives to pay it back if there is no room in the jail.
GRACE: You know what? I could not agree with you more.
Rockwell and Odom. Renee Rockwell, why is it that after somebody gets out from behind bars, why don`t they have to pay restitution? Because they don`t. They don`t. They never pay for the expense. The state and the taxpayers bear for prosecuting them.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And, Nancy, they can barely pay the $39 a month, if they are on probation.
GRACE: Yes. I don`t know how that answered my question.
ROCKWELL: OK, they just don`t have the money.
GRACE: No, no, no.
ROCKWELL: They don`t have the money.
GRACE: Everybody, we`ve got to go to break. We`re taking your calls. Yes, because they are not working, Renee.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A heartbreaking mystery.
K. JONES: I believe my daughter is alive.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police investigators believing strongly little Bianca is dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cadaver dogs got a hit in the baby seat.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Detected just that at Lane`s home and around Bianca`s car seat.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Take a positive hit on odors of decomposition in multiple locations leaving investigators to believe the worst. Lead investigators doubt Bianca`s father`s story.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Lane at this point is not doing well. He`s really depressed.
LANE: I`m the bad guy right now.
GRACE: Your story --
TERRY L. JOHNSON, ATTORNEY FOR D`ANDRE LANE, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR- OLD BABY GIRL: We`ve answered those --
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. As the reward mounts in the search for 2-year-old Bianca. Tonight our sources confirm an arrest warrant is in place. What are the cops waiting for? To find a body? Is that what we`re waiting on? That may never happen.
Two-year-old baby Bianca allegedly carjacked as her dad drove down the street in broad daylight.
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Lewis in Florida. Hi, dear. What`s your question?
LEWIS, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi there, Nancy.
GRACE: Hi.
LEWIS: You look terrific. It`s so good to be able to ask you a question. The father we know has a criminal background. Is there anything in the criminal background that could forecast or foretell the possible murder of his daughter?
GRACE: Good question. To Alexis Weed. Give me that rundown in a nutshell, Alexis.
WEED: Sure -- sure, Nancy. He has some drug charges in the past. He also has a firearms possession. He served three-plus years in prison for those. Also probation periods for assault with intent to commit armed robbery, conspiracy, and receiving and concealing stolen properties.
GRACE: OK. So there is your answer, Lewis. A big fat yes. Armed robbery, drugs, possession of a weapon. I would say, yes, that suggests a violent past.
To Kelly Jones, this is Bianca`s aunt. Did the mom know about D`Andre Lane`s criminal history?
KELLY JONES, AUNT OF BABY BIANCA ALLEGEDLY SNATCHED DURING CARJACKING: Yes, she was aware of his criminal history. She has known him since she was around 12.
GRACE: Dr. Bethany Marshall, try to explain that to me. How this could happen?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": The motivation for the murder? Why, say, if there`s a past history of --
GRACE: No, no, no. When you know someone and you love someone, you tend to ignore the obvious problems that everybody else can see, but you. I mean, you think I`m going to hand the twins over to somebody with an aggravated assault or an armed robbery conviction? Yes, I guess not.
MARSHALL: No. Well, these women who were in love with felons refuse to put their thoughts together about the reality of the persons of the man`s crimes and furthermore, the mom may have been raised in a culture of violence herself. This may have been what she experienced amongst her classmates and friends so she came to see it as normal.
GRACE: But -- let`s go back to Kelly Jones on this. This is the mom`s sister, this is Bianca`s aunt. I`m wondering if this guy, D`Andre Lane, didn`t show a different side to the mother. A more gentle, a more engaging side. Not the side that cops saw when they arrested him for armed robbery. What was he like when he was around the mom?
K. JONES: Well, he was not at all seeming in any way violent or anything towards anyone in my family. Not just my sister. Because he has been around my family for many years. So he has not had anybody around him or he hasn`t brought any violence around my family or anything. He`s been around my nieces and cousins and everything since we`ve been younger and we`ve never had a problem with him and any children.
GRACE: You know, Kelly, it`s not just you and Banika, very often criminals are very, very charming. And there is such a thing as a good person doing a bad thing. So I can see how your sister was charmed because even when -- when he was here was questioning him, he was very mild and meek. Of course his lawyer, you know, cut in every couple of minutes, he wouldn`t let him say anything. But he had a very meek and mild demeanor, but he does have this criminal record.
You know, Kelly, what does it say to you that he would not answer your questions, that he has not come to speak to you or Banika about what happened with Bianca?
K. JONES: Honestly once I didn`t get an answer out of him I lost all focus on him because he was not going to provide me with the information, not even to get my niece so.
GRACE: Yes.
K. JONES: That`s just where we`ve all been, just focused on Bianca, and not concerned with D`Andre.
GRACE: And you know what`s interesting? To Dr. Bethany Marshall, very often when you talk to crime victims, you can ask them, well, what do you want to happen to the perpetrator? They`re like, I don`t care. I don`t care. It`s not about them. It`s about my husband, my wife, my fiance, my child. It`s as if the more they think about the perpetrator, the more it hurts them. You can say it better than me, Bethany.
MARSHALL: Well, in some ways, their loyalty is to the love object instead of to the child and they feel sorry for the love object. And they feel that whatever the perpetrator has done, the violence, the history, they blame themselves. There is a crisis of boundaries, so when the other person acts out, they think that they have caused it to happen.
GRACE: Joining me right now is Dr. Bill Lloyd, board certified surgeon and pathologist, joining us today out of Sacramento.
Dr. Lloyd, thank you for being with us. Would the autopsy on the baby show if she had been ill that morning?
DR. BILL LLOYD, BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: Good evening, Nancy. Yes, especially with the issue of the bruises. Trained forensic pathologists can very accurately time bruises both visually and with laboratory methods. So that`s a real possibility. If someone was trying to make the argument about the baby being sick, and the bruises were related to the fact that child has meningitis, there`d be a very specific pattern of the bruising. Not just bruising on the leg.
But let me add, as your listeners know, innocent parents of any abducted child, when given a national TV platform, Nancy, they would speak like for Alastair Cook. They would tell the story as clearly as possible, my child is missing, please help me.
GRACE: Dr. Bill Lloyd is joining us from Sacramento, everyone, and taking our calls.
Dr. Bill, question. If a child had been beaten badly, would they appear to be sick, such as lethargic or drowsy looking?
LLOYD: If there`s been head trauma, just like you see the football player that suffered a concussion, they can be goofy, they can be drowsy, they can be lethargic, and this can be very insidious and they just appear that they`re just a little sleepy. Put the baby in the car seat, let`s get going, when in fact the child has suffered severe brain trauma.
GRACE: You know, another thing -- everyone, with me and taking your calls, Dr. Bill Lloyd, a surgeon and pathologist out of Sacramento.
Dr. Bill, another question. You mentioned meningitis or some illness. In my experience as a felony prosecutor and as a mom, when your child is sick, you don`t try to cover that up. For instance, if this child had died of meningitis, I don`t believe the father would have tried to cover it up by disposing of the body. I think he would have called 911.
LLOYD: Of course. And the nephew was saying the baby was fine the night before. Nobody is saying anything about any fever as well. But when placed into a corner people become very clever with the stories that they can concoct to protect themselves.
GRACE: Also with us today is Gaetane Borders, president of Peas in Their Pods, an advocate for missing minority children.
Weigh in, Gaetane.
GAETANE BORDERS, PRESIDENT, PEAS IN THEIR PODS, ADVOCATE FOR MISSING MINORITY CHILDREN: Listen, nothing that I have heard about him, about the father surprises me. He`s lying. It is very clear through the stuttering and all of that. His actions do not suggest that he`s a loving parent, despite how many times he wants to say it.
A loving parent does not have to excuse away possible bruises. A loving parent doesn`t stutter when asked specific questions about whether or not they`ve hurt their child. It just doesn`t happen.
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GRACE: Are you aware that cadaver dogs have hit on Bianca`s car seat?
B. K. JONES: Yes, I have heard that information, but they have not found my daughter, so I am still continuing to focus and believe that my daughter is alive and well and we will find her.
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GRACE: Breaking news tonight. Our sources tell us an arrest warrant is in place in the disappearance of 2-year-old Bianca. Is that warrant for daddy? Tip line, 313-596-2260. The reward climbing to $30,000. We have not given up in the search for baby Bianca.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A heart-breaking mystery.
B. JONES: I believe my daughter is alive.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police investigators believing strongly little Bianca is dead.
LANE: I was yelling, my daughter is in the car, my daughter is in the car.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cadaver dog did make a positive hit on odor of decomposition in multiple locations, leading investigators to believe the worst.
GRACE: Give me a description of the assailants.
JOHNSON: Don`t you have a composite that you can post?
GRACE: I don`t know what color their outfits were, I don`t know how tall they are, I don`t know what the other one even looks like.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lead investigators doubt Bianca`s father`s story.
LANE: There`s gun pointed at me, my daughter is in the car. I`ve been just trying to give them everything that I could.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are closing in on Bianca`s father, D`Andre Lane.
LANE: I`m the bad guy right now.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lane says it was just he and Bianca inside his car when he says he was carjacked.
LANE: I was on the way to her mother`s house moments before the car was carjacked.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The cops are not buying the story.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Skeptical of his initial carjacking story.
LANE: I`m not the villain here. The villain is the person who has my daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are seeking charges against Bianca`s father in connection with the 2-year-old`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People are pointing the finger at him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would these hoodlums want with the baby? It doesn`t make much sense.
B. JONES: I am still continuing to focus and believe that my daughter is alive and well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How could you imagine any 2-year-old be out here in the cold. It`s just something that you don`t even want to think about.
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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army Specialist Matthew Steyart, 21, Mount Shasta, California, killed in Afghanistan. Awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, National Defense Service Medal. Loved hunting, family. Four-wheeling, traveling Europe. Nickname, Sunshine, because of his smile.
Leaves behind mother Nancy, stepfather Rich, sister Samantha and Denise. Also served the Army. Brother Robert, serving Afghanistan.
Matthew Steyart, American hero.
Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for being with us.
Tonight, our prayers to friend Lynn (INAUDIBLE) for surgery.
Lynn, stay strong.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, as the search for Bianca goes on. And until then, good night, friend.
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