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Casey Anthony Bombshell Baby Claims; Ashton Kutcher Testifies; Kardashian Love Triangle; Blue Ivy`s Bonanza
Aired January 12, 2012 - 23:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, HOST: Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT - Casey Anthony`s bombshell baby claims. Was her daughter, Caylee, really the result of date rape? The disturbing psychological documents just revealed.
Plus, Casey`s own words accusing her father of sexual abuse.
Kardashian love triangle. Khloe is not really a Kardashian? It`s the outlandish report burning up the Web. The claws are out. The entire Kardashian clan is on the attack. But what`s the truth?
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KRIS JENNER, REALITY TV STAR, "KEEPING UP WITH THE KARDASHIANS": I gave birth. I know who the dad was. Everything`s good. We`re all good.
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Blue Ivy`s bonanza. New pictures of Beyonce`s lavish delivery room revealed today. A secret hallway, plush linens, two flat-screen TVs. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, is there anything wrong with that?
TV`s most provocative entertainment news show breaks news right now.
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Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York with big news breaking tonight - a revealing new glimpse inside the mind of Casey Anthony.
Tonight, we`ve got a SHOWBIZ newsmaker exclusive with the former prosecutor in the Casey Anthony murder trial. Jeff Ashton argued vigorously to prove Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, Caylee.
And then a shocked nation watched as a jury acquitted Casey on the murder charge only finding her guilty of lying to police. Well, now, we`re hearing brand-new disturbing details about Casey`s mindset while she was locked up accused of killing her own daughter.
And for the very first time, we`re actually hearing from the very doctors who evaluated Casey`s mental state. Their newly released deposition contain explosive claims, apparently from Casey, told in what I think are the most graphic detail we have heard yet.
For one, the deposition says that Casey claims she didn`t know who Caylee`s father was because the pregnancy was probably the result of a date rape.
We also learned new information about Casey`s claims that her own father, George Anthony, sexually abused Casey, accusations that George denied in court. So what does this glimpse into Casey`s mind tell us?
Joining me right now from Orlando, SHOWBIZ newsmaker, former Casey Anthony prosecutor, Jeff Ashton. Jeff now running for state attorney in Florida. And I really appreciate you being with us, Jeff.
JEFF ASHTON, FORMER PROSECUTOR IN THE CASEY ANTHONY CASE: Thank you very much. Happy to be here.
HAMMER: Well, let`s get right to it because the details from these reports are just mind-boggling to me. According to these evaluations, Casey not only paints her dad as her molester, but she claims that he also molested little Caylee.
Let me read to you a bit of what the doctor said in his deposition, "She`s described fear of basically having Caylee in the house alone with George, fears that events that happened to her would happen, that had happened to Casey, would happen to Caylee."
"She believes George took Caylee out of the bed, has a sexual, has some sort of sexual experience with her daughter, and in order to cover it up, killed her."
All right, Jeff, I mean, this is pretty, pretty outrageous. What was your first reaction when you very first heard these depositions?
ASHTON: Well, I mean, I was there for the depositions, so my experience was sort of firsthand. And I think I was as sort of incredulous as most people would be.
I mean, it was an amazing story. It was really a combination of all of the possible stories we speculated about for months that she might come up with. It was sort of the worst of all of them, you know, to accuse her father not only of sexually molesting her, but of possibly sexually molesting Caylee and then killing her was pretty outrageous.
But you know, it`s what we`ve come to expect from her. You know, if you`re going to lie, lie big. And that`s what she certainly did to those doctors in my opinion.
HAMMER: And I realize, Jeff, it`s your job, but I just can`t even imagine sitting in the room listening to these allegations. There were so many disturbing allegations.
Casey alleged to her doctors this as well that "Casey was woken up by George and Caylee was missing. They went and searched for her. And at some point after the search had taken place or whatever, they hadn`t found her."
"Then all of a sudden George brought Caylee to her in his arms. She was wet. She appeared to be deceased since she had no way to know." Again, amazing.
ASHTON: Yes.
HAMMER: And I need to point out that Casey`s attorneys did not call these two doctors to testify in the trial. Jeff, did they do that or not do that because the doctors may have also said something that could have been damaging about Casey`s mental state which obviously they wouldn`t have wanted?
ASHTON: Well, they withdrew the witnesses, actually, because the judge had indicated he was going to grant us the right to have our doctors talk to Casey before their doctors would be allowed to testify.
So upon learning that is when the last of the doctors was withdrawn. The first doctor, Dr. Danziger, was actually withdrawn the day after his deposition was taken, pretty much, because he was the one who clearly was so uncomfortable in putting out this story for the defense that they withdrew him pretty early on.
The second doctor was withdrawn when they thought that we were going to get our doctor in there to talk to her and they didn`t want to risk anybody actually talking to her from the state side. So that`s when they withdrew the witnesses.
HAMMER: OK. Got it. And I don`t know how it felt there in the courtroom, but I`ve got to say, like so many people across the country watching, I`ve got to say, my stomach turned when the defense`s opening statements were being heard.
Her attorney, Jose Baez, painting George as this sexual predator. And of course, George had to defend himself as we all know. Let`s revisit a bit of that.
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JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Casey was raised to lie. This child, at eight years old, learned to lie immediately. She could be 13 years old, have her father`s (EXPLETIVE DELETED) in her mouth then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened.
My question is, you would never admit to it, would you, sir?
GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: Sir, I would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way.
BAEZ: Only in that way.
ASHTON: Objection, your honor.
JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, CHIEF JUDGE, NINTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT IN FLORIDA: Sustained.
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HAMMER: You know, I don`t care how long ago this took place. It`s just awful to watch. And after these horrendous allegations, I`m curious on your perspective of how do you think the public reacts to George now when they see him.
ASHTON: Well, you know, I would think that this public would take these revelations and feel sorry for George. I think they should. I mean, you know, George has been put through a lot.
I think the public was, you know, maybe too willing. Some people in the public were too willing to think ill of George because, you know, a sexual molestation allegation is a stain that`s hard to wash away.
I think people now know the full extent of Casey`s lie. And I think knowing that, they`re much more willing to look at George and say, "You know, you were put through hell. You shouldn`t have been put through that because of this woman`s lies." And I hope that they`ll have some sympathy for him.
HAMMER: Yes. And only time will tell. Well, your perspective obviously is so unique. And I really appreciate you being here. Jeff Ashton, thank you so much.
ASHTON: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.
HAMMER: You`re welcome. And we`ve got even more big SHOWBIZ justice to bring you tonight. This involves "Two and a Half Men" star, Ashton Kutcher and his tragic ties.
Listen to this. Kutcher may actually testify in an absolutely gruesome murder case that`s being called the "Hollywood ripper." The details of this case are horrifying.
Michael Thomas Gargiulo is charged in the stabbing deaths of two women including a woman who was actually dating Ashton Kutcher at the time that she was killed.
With me right now in New York, Beth Karas, who is a correspondent for Tru TV`s "In Session."
All right. I know you`ve been following this very closely, Beth, and here`s what we know. California native Ashley Ellerin moved to Hollywood back in 1999, quickly became a fixture on the party circuit there.
February 21, 2001, she was invited to attend a Grammy after-party by her then-boyfriend Ashton Kutcher. Ashley was supposed to meet up with Ashton at around 10:30 that evening, but never showed up. What happened next?
BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION" ON TRU TV: That`s right. Now, he was watching the Grammys with friends. According to court papers, he had two conversations with her, about 7:30 and just before 8:30. She`s home. He spoke to her. She`s alive.
When she doesn`t show up at 10:30 for the after-party, he goes to her little Hollywood bungalow thinking, "Oh, maybe I was supposed to pick her up."
He looks in the window she was repainting. There are no window treatments so he could see straight into her apartment, her home. And he sees a red stain on the landing going up to the bedroom.
He thinks she`s not home. The door`s locked. She probably spilled some wine, and he left. He didn`t think there was a crime. He didn`t call 911.
It wasn`t until the next morning that her roommate came home - her roommate wasn`t home that night - and found her dead.
HAMMER: Wow.
KARAS: Stabbed 47 times. Her head almost cut off.
HAMMER: So he thought it was wine.
KARAS: Yes.
HAMMER: Obviously, it was blood. And I read that the Los Angeles detective, Tom Smalls, his name - he responded to the scene as the lead detective and he described the killer as this modern-day Jack the Ripper because of how violently Ashley was killed. I know there was supposed to be a pretrial hearing today about this. Didn`t go down though.
KARAS: No, it did not. It was a control day to make sure everything is on track. The defense was supposed to be filing some motions. It`s been put over until tomorrow though. There was a scheduling conflict.
HAMMER: And will Ashton Kutcher actually have to testify? It sounds like he has a pretty important role here.
KARAS: Yes. He`s a timeline witness because he will establish she was alive at 7:30 and 8:30. But he sees the stain, the locked door at 10:45. So he`s a timeline witness. He will narrow down that period during which she was killed.
HAMMER: And this is the kind of a deal where they`ll issue a subpoena. They will say, "You`ll have to show up," because I just imagine, you know, Ashton probably doesn`t want to even have to do anything with it.
KARAS: Yes, but he`s going to have to testify. I don`t see any way around it. He will be subpoenaed unless he comes forward voluntarily, but probably subpoenaed.
HAMMER: And is this the kind of thing we`ll get to see?
KARAS: I hope so.
HAMMER: His testimony?
KARAS: I hope so.
HAMMER: All right.
KARAS: I hope we`re allowed to televise it. I`ll be there.
HAMMER: All right. And we`ll count on you to bring it to us. Beth Karas, thank you so much. As we move on tonight, you know, keeping up with the Kardashians used to be so simple, right?
Now, it could give you whiplash. The latest drama is that Khloe may not actually really be a Kardashian. Come on. Yes, I know it sounds kind of like a soap opera plot. But this thing is blowing up in a big way.
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JENNER: I have never heard such crap in my life. I mean, I was there, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re talking about giving birth to Khloe?
JENNER: Yes.
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HAMMER: We know Kris is Khloe`s mom, but there are questions being raised tonight about who her father really is.
There`s another famous kid in the middle of a scandal. She`s not even a week old. Blue Ivy`s bonanza. Beyonce`s lavish delivery room was revealed today.
I`ve got to tell you, this place looks like a five star resort. I want to stay there. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, is there anything wrong with that?
And Madonna mouths off. Madonna reveals for the first time what it was really like when she put her lips to Britney Spears`. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Here comes the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Katy Perry gets most People`s Choice Awards, five wins. Betty White gets standing ovation at People`s Choice Awards for her 90th birthday.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And lastly, happy 90th birthday to Betty White next week.
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GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: How are you feeling? Hung over? Why am I not surprised. Thought you were supposed to be getting your act together.
SHAILENE WOODLEY, ACTRESS: I have gotten my act together. I was just drinking. I`ve been doing really well, actually. Nobody ever seems to notice that.
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HAMMER: That, of course, George Clooney and his young co-star, Shailene Woodley, in their Golden Globe-nominated performances in "The Descendants." Such a great movie. Well, the Globes are just days away now. Will these two bring home the big prize?
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
And yes, the countdown is on to the Golden Globes, of course. Sunday is the big day. The nominees are giving us an awful lot to talk about this year.
Clooney is getting a lot of love for his performance as a dad in "The Descendants." But his daughter in the film also getting a dose of high expectations.
Shailene Woodley is best known for her role in the TV series, "The Secret Life of the American Teenager." But tonight, we`re getting the inside story on this up-and-comer from her TV co-star.
Ken Baumann stars with Shailene in "Secret Life." And I spoke with him about Woodley`s chances of winning a coveted Golden Globe. Ken, it`s great to have you here. Nice to see you.
KEN BAUMANN, ACTOR: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
HAMMER: So let`s talk for a moment about your co-star in "The Secret Life of the American Teenager," Shailene Woodley.
BAUMANN: Sure.
HAMMER: Of course, she`s getting a lot of attention right now because of her big nomination for a Golden Globe for her role in "The Descendants."
I`m guessing you saw the movie. I thought she was simply extraordinary. And I actually give her a pretty good shot on Sunday. Give us your prediction though. What do you think? Is Shailene going home with the trophy?
BAUMANN: Predictions are tough. I will say that, you know, I hope to God that she takes it home because I think she deserves it.
I think that performance, you know, especially from someone her age, is incredible, you know, let alone from anybody. The emotional range in the movie is great. And, you know, I`m biased. I know her. She`s a great friend. She`s incredibly humble.
She works so hard. But I will say that even if she doesn`t take it home on Sunday, it will not be that much of a sob story because she obviously has a huge career ahead of her. And, you know, there`s going to be a lot of great work from her to come.
HAMMER: Yes. She`s got a huge amount of talent. And it`s so nice just watching her enjoy the ride she`s on with that movie right now. But let`s take a look at a clip with you and Shailene from "Secret Life of the American Teenager" right now. Roll that.
BAUMANN: Sure.
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(on camera) Did you ask Ricky if I had sex this summer?
WOODLEY: What?
BAUMANN: Was that a yes?
WOODLEY: No.
BAUMANN: Amy, I love you. I really love you. And I only want to be with you the rest of my life.
WOODLEY: Sorry, Ben.
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HAMMER: Obviously, you know, you watch that and you see you guys have a great connection on the show. For anybody who hasn`t seen it, it`s a terrific show. You`re both great on it.
I do have to get your take on something that my friend George Clooney said. He, of course, stars with Shailene in "The Descendants." He actually said he thinks she`s underused on your show. What do you think about that?
BAUMANN: Well, you know, I don`t fault Mr. Clooney for not watching "The Secret Life of the American Teenager." I think it`s - you know, it`s a bit out of his demographic.
But you know, I think the show sort of is, you know, much like any show on television. It`s easy to sort of categorize and just dismiss.
But if you go back and watch episode to episode, she has done really great work. You know, she has been given great dramatic arcs.
And, you know, the first season alone - oh, my god - she`s a teenager who`s, you know, thrown into the world of pregnancy in high school.
And it`s - you know, she did a great job. So I can understand Mr. Clooney saying that, but again, maybe - you know, maybe he hasn`t done his "Secret Life" homework. I prescribe him a whole, you know, season-long Netflix session.
HAMMER: That`s a great idea. When I run into him on Sunday at the Globes, I`ll be sure to make sure -
BAUMANN: Please tell him. Please tell him.
HAMMER: Ken, it`s great having you on, and best of luck.
BAUMANN: Thank you.
HAMMER: Congratulations on all of your success.
BAUMANN: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
HAMMER: And the new season of "The Secret Life of the American Teenager" returns to ABC Family on March 26th. And don`t forget, I`ll be right there on the red carpet at the Golden Globes talking with all the stars on Sunday.
And be sure to join me. On Monday morning, we`ll have all of the Golden Globe shockers at 10:00 a.m. That`s Monday right after the Globes and right here on HLN.
And look, I think it`s pretty obvious. Some of those shockers are going to be the one-liners coming from Golden Globes host, Ricky Gervais.
Ricky, of course, got scathing reviews after he hosted the Globes last year for being too crass and too mean. But they asked him back anyway. So today, Ellen DeGeneres asked the question that is on everybody`s mind right now.
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ELLEN DEGENERES, HOST, "THE ELLEN DEGENERES SHOW": Do you think that they`ll be kinder because now they realize, oh, everybody`s on his side so now they`re going to be on your side?
RICKY GERVAIS, COMEDIAN: Well, I don`t think I was nasty. I mean, if they saw my standup, their heads would explode. People say, "Is there anything you shouldn`t joke about?" And I don`t think there is.
I just think it depends on what the joke is. I think comedy comes from a good or a bad place. And I was just teasing them, you know.
DEGENERES: Right.
GERVAIS: And it wasn`t a room for the wounded soldiers. These are the richest, most privileged people in the world, you know.
DEGENERES: Right. Right.
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HAMMER: And he hopes that everybody can just lighten up a little bit this year. I thought it was terrific last year. If they don`t lighten up, well, you know, Ricky is going to get them anyway.
The Golden Globes air on Sunday night on NBC.
So getting tossed from his speeding car, jumping from a burning building, getting bashed in the head in a bar fight. That`s all in a day`s work for the most sought-after stuntwoman in Hollywood.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I doubled Abigail Breslin on "Zombieland." I doubled Anna Paquin, just for one episode, on "True Blood." Hayden Panettiere on "Heroes."
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HAMMER: Tonight, a SHOWBIZ special report - secrets of Hollywood`s top stunt woman.
Also this -
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Oh, I love this. Don`t adjust your TV. That is our president singing "Born This Way." It`s the SHOWBIZ viral video that`s going to make you say, how did they do that? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Brittany Murphy`s dad wants another test to find out star`s cause of death. Vanessa Hudgens tells SHOWBIZ which hit comedy should be Oscar nominated.
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VANESSA HUDGENS, ACTRESS: "Bridesmaids" was by far my favorite movie. I`ve seen it so many times. So many times. I love it so much. I know it`s not like this serious movie that you think of, but I love "Bridesmaids."
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HAMMER: Well, these pictures, stalker-ish as they may seem, make you wonder who`s more famous - the leader of the free world or the biggest celebrity couple on the planet?
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt just visited President Obama in the Oval Office. Angelina and Brad were in town for the screening of Angie`s directorial debut, "In the Land of Blood and Honey," when the couple decided, yes, let`s pop by 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Why not? I wonder if they talked about Brad`s chances of beating George Clooney at the Golden Globes on Sunday. You never know. It`s going to be a tight race.
So from hanging with Hollywood stars to kicking it like a rock star, tonight`s SHOWBIZ viral video is a genius mash-up of President Obama`s speeches. So now, I present to you, President Obama covering Lady Gaga`s "Born This Way." I`m not kidding. And it`s brilliant. Watch.
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Wow, that is amazing. I can`t even begin to imagine how long that took. Pretty great. And I`m sure Mother Monster is proud.
So first, the mystery. Now the backlash. Jay-Z and Beyonce taking a lot of heat for their luxurious maternity suite. I`ll show you their plush digs a little later.
But our Facebook fans are so fired-up about this. Brandy M. writing on our wall, "If I could have afforded it, I probably would have gotten it, too. Whatever it takes for me, to make me, my family`s visitors and new bundle more comfortable."
But Patti I. writes, "Having the suite of rooms was not a problem but having the obnoxious security was, interfering with other families."
Here`s what`s coming up at the bottom of the hour on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I want you to brace yourself now. Khloe is not a Kardashian?
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JENNER: I`ve never heard such crap in my life. I mean, I was there, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re talking about giving birth to Khloe?
JENNER: Yes.
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HAMMER: Does a day go by when these people aren`t in the middle of some nuts-o-drama? I mean, come on. How in the heck did this get started? What`s the truth? I`m going to get to the bottom of this Kardashian caper next. This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
It is time for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Report: Kelly Clarkson to sing national anthem at Super Bowl. Christian Bale says he felt immense pressure playing "Batman."
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HAMMER: Big news breaking tonight on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT - genuine Kardashian? The explosive new claim that Khloe is not really a Kardashian.
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JENNER: I have never heard such crap in my life. I mean, I was there, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re talking about giving birth to Khloe?
JENNER: Yes.
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HAMMER: Kris Jenner and the whole Kardashian family on the counterattack today. But who is telling the truth?
Delivery room diva? Brand-new pictures of Beyonce`s super-posh hospital room. Wood-panel walls, high-tech gadgets, an actual kitchen. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, was it all just too much?
A SHOWBIZ TONIGHT special report - the secrets of Hollywood`s top stunt woman.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I doubled Abigail Breslin on "Zombieland." I doubled Anna Paquin just for one episode on "True Blood." Hayden Panettiere on "Heroes."
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HAMMER: The flips, the kicks, the wild falls. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT goes behind the scenes with the woman who doubles for the biggest movie heroes.
ANNOUNCER: TV`s most provocative entertainment news show continues right now.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York with big news breaking today - Khloe`s daddy drama.
Today, Khloe Kardashian and her mom, Kris Jenner, are hopping mad. The target of their fury, Khloe`s two ex-step mothers who are telling "Star" magazine Khloe`s dad, the late Robert Kardashian, had his doubts that Khloe was actually his. Another Kardashian family drama and it`s all making big news right now.
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(voice-over) We all have questions about the Kardashians, like who leaked that sex tape?
KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STAR: Until death do us part.
HAMMER: Did Kim and Kris Humphries really marry for love? Are the sisters telling the truth when they say they like that "Saturday Night Live" spoof of them?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kim, the pretty one.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m Kourtney, the smart one.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m Khloe.
HAMMER: But today, the real Khloe Kardashian is at the center of a new and explosive question. Is she really a Kardashian?
JENNER: I have never heard such crap in my life.
HAMMER: Today, Kris Jenner, mother of the Kardashian sisters, went on "Good Morning America" and blasted new claims from her late ex-husband`s Robert Kardashian`s second and third wives.
The two other former Mrs. Kardashians claim that Khloe may not have been Robert`s kid. Kris, the first Mrs. Kardashian, says it`s all nonsense.
JENNER: I gave birth. I know who the dad is. Everything`s good. We`re all good.
HAMMER: But things clearly aren`t good in Kardashian land today.
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, "RADAR ONLINE": Now, we have daddy paternity drama.
HAMMER: OK. Before we go any further, let`s review the Kardashian family tree. Robert Kardashian, former attorney and friend of O.J. Simpson, was married to Kris for 12 years.
They had four children together - Kourtney, Kim, Khloe and Robert. Kris and Robert split in 1990 under explosive circumstances.
TERESZCUK: Kris Jenner revealed in her book the bombshell news that she had an affair.
HAMMER: Kris, of course, went on to marry Bruce Jenner. Robert got married twice more before he died in 2003. Now, wives number two and three are telling "Star" magazine that Robert believed Khloe was not his kid.
TERESZCUK: Two of Robert Kardashian`s ex-wives told "Star" magazine that he doubted whether Khloe Kardashian was really his biological daughter.
ELLEN KARDASHIAN, ROBERT KARDASHIAN`S THIRD WIFE: I loved him very, very much. I miss him every day.
HAMMER: Ellen Kardashian was Robert`s third wife and was married to him when he died. She tells "Star" magazine she just wants to set the Kardashian record straight.
E. KARDASHIAN: I`ve waited eight years to give an interview and to tell the truth.
TERESZCUK: Ellen said that Robert spoke to her about the fact that Kris had an affair. And she said, any man would suspect that this child wasn`t his, especially if his wife had had an affair.
HAMMER: It`s often been said when it comes to the Kardashians, one of these sisters is not like the others.
TERESZCUK: People said for years Khloe doesn`t look like her sisters. She`s much taller than Kourtney and Kim. She has a different body shape.
KHLOE KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STAR: I want to see my birth certificate.
JENNER: She is not adopted.
HAMMER: In an episode of "E`s" "Keeping Up With The Kardashians," Khloe got a DNA test.
TERESZCUK: However, it`s kind of a flawed DNA test because she only tested her mother`s DNA.
HAMMER: Now, Khloe is going after her former stepmothers, tweeting, quote, "The audacity you have to mention my father`s name like this. You should be ashamed of yourself. I let a lot of things slide, but this one is really low. You are disgusting. Yes, you know who you are."
So it looks like as far as Khloe, her sisters and her mother are concerned, there is no question. Khloe is all Kardashian, because only a true Kardashian could inspire this level of drama.
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Oh, it is so dramatic. These wild reports just sending the Kardashians to a tailspin. But does all this craziness just kind of bounce off the reality TV super family?
With me right now from Hollywood, one of my favorite actresses, the great Joely Fisher. She`s starring in the Hallmark Movie Channel`s made-for-TV movie, "Cupid." It premieres on February 11th. You must watch it.
With me in New York, TV host, Megan Meany. Let me give you two my take on all this. Let me give everybody my take. Just in the way I feel badly for Kim Kardashian because, you know, she`s going through a rough divorce, I also feel badly for Khloe.
But my sympathy is curbed by the fact that, like Kim`s marriage, this is something else that they`ve used for a plot line on their show for their own personal gain. Khloe even went as far as giving her mom an at-home DNA test on the show.
Yet, now, she`s complaining about it all. I don`t think you can have it both ways. Joely, help me out here. Do you feel badly for Khloe? Am I off-base?
JOELY FISHER, ACTRESS: Well, if she`s having a DNA test, then maybe she`s not sure that Kris is her mother. I don`t know what you`re talking about.
HAMMER: Well, you know, Kris said, "Hey, I was there."
FISHER: Yes, exactly. Listen, she spells her name with a K, so she`s got to be a Kardashian.
HAMMER: Yes. Maybe that pretty much seals it, right? What do you think, Megan? I mean -
MEGAN MEANY, TV SHOW HOST: You know what? I think she`s legit. I actually think -
HAMMER: You think who`s legit? You think Khloe`s legit?
MEANY: I think Khloe is a Kardashian.
HAMMER: OK.
MEANY: I mean, so she`s tall. So her facial features are a little different. I have a sister with red hair and blond hair. This means nothing to me, these physical traits being different. So what?
I also don`t think that Kris Jenner would write a book, talk about this affair she had, which is now what`s making everybody say maybe Khloe is the product of this affair.
HAMMER: Right.
MEANY: Knowing that the media is going to jump on it and put a magnifying glass on it - I don`t agree with all the choices she made as a mother. But would she go so far as to put her daughter through this, if there was really some truth behind this secret when she knows everyone`s going to hop on it?
HAMMER: Here`s the thing -
MEANY: I think the ex-wives have more to come after. It`s called money.
HAMMER: They may have an agenda, and I want to get to that. Look, the truth is, I`m not sure why anybody would bring this up. I don`t know what the gain is here unless there`s a financial interest.
But we`ve seen that Robert Kardashian`s widow is reportedly dealing with some financial issues. Some reports say that, you know, maybe she`s making these accusations now to make money.
Joely, are you with me that if that`s the case, it certainly does raise some red flags about, you know, the credibility here?
FISHER: Well, I mean, I might claim that I`m an illegitimate child of Robert Kardashian if there`s something to be gained from it. I mean, I think it`s ridiculous.
They`re all beautiful girls. Their mother adores them. They have an amazing work ethic, whatever you have to say about it. They show up everywhere. And we`re talking about them. I mean, did we spell their name correctly? That`s the whole idea there.
HAMMER: Yes.
FISHER: You know, perhaps they, you know, need to stay home if they don`t want people to talk about things. But this is a bit ridiculous. I mean, they look like a family.
MEANY: I don`t think you have six kids and then do this as a mother to one of them, put it out there that she might have had an affair that could then draw speculation to the fact it might not be her kid.
HAMMER: And you both make a terrific point because the Kardashian family - you know, they have the reputation of putting it all out there from their births to their weddings. We`ve seen it all. So do you think they should do anything to officially put a stop to this?
MEANY: No. I don`t. It`s nobody`s business. But I still believe that Khloe`s legit.
FISHER: Yes.
HAMMER: Joely?
FISHER: I think that everybody needs to mind their own business. And you know, I mean, we shouldn`t have to defend things like this. It`s a bit obscene. But I`m glad you got me here to tackle these big issues.
HAMMER: Here - that`s my job. And quite frankly, I do have an idea if they decide, you know what, maybe we should, you know, put it to rest once and for all. Maybe this is what they should do. This is just my thinking. Charles, can we roll that little piece of tape?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Andrew, you are not the father.
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HAMMER: I`m just thinking crazy, Joely. I`m just thinking, you know -
MEANY: A little Jerry Springer.
HAMMER: That`s TV. Joely, what do you think? I mean, I would watch that.
FISHER: Definitely. With all those girls jumping around like that, for sure, I would watch.
HAMMER: Yes. Yes. OK.
MEANY: No, Jerry Springer producers, take your hand off the phone. Not this one.
HAMMER: Megan, you brought up an interesting point though earlier. You know, resemblance doesn`t always come with being, you know, in the same family.
MEANY: Right.
HAMMER: In fact, as an example, I want to show you exactly what I mean. I want to show you my brother and I, side by side, for instance. I mean, take a look at us, really, not a huge resemblance there.
MEANY: Right. I mean, clearly, you got all the good looks.
HAMMER: Well, yes, he`s really always been very jealous and envious of me, so what are you going to do? Sorry, Rob, you know, I couldn`t resist.
All right. Joely Fisher, Megan Meany, thank you both so much. Remember, you must check out Joely Fisher in the Hallmark Movie Channel`s made-for-TV movie, "Cupid," when it makes its premiere on February 11th.
We move now to five-star delivery. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT revealing the brand-new pictures of Beyonce`s lavish delivery room.
I`m talking designer furniture, four flat-screen TVs, a splashy kitchen. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT dares to ask, hey, is there anything wrong with that?
Madonna`s kiss and tell. The legendary singer is telling all about that famous kiss she had with Britney Spears.
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MADONNA, POP STAR: Nice moment. Good kisser.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good kisser?
MADONNA: Yes.
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HAMMER: So was it good enough to try again? This is SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on HLN news and views.
Time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Kim Kardashian kicks of female host week on "Live! With Kelly," January 23. Judd Apatow talks to SHOWBIZ about rumors of a "Bridesmaids" sequel.
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JUDD APATOW, DIRECTOR: I think we have to let it all die down and see. To me, it`s always a kind of an amazing idea that`s worth talking about. You have a really mediocre idea, maybe we should all just quietly go away.
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HAMMER: Check out Beyonce`s blowout hospital room. Wow, look at this place. Kind of looks more like the Four Seasons penthouse than a maternity suite.
Well, in just minutes, we`re going to give you a tour of the place where baby Blue Ivy got a five-star welcome into the new world. From Beyonce`s hot secret hospital room to the surprising secrets of Hollywood`s top stunt woman.
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
And tonight, a SHOWBIZ special report you`ve got to see. We`re taking you behind the scenes with legendary stuntwoman, Luci Romberg.
She flips. She kicks. She leaps from tall buildings in a single bound. And she does all of that so Hollywood`s A-list actors don`t risk their own necks. Here`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Kareen Wynter with the secrets of a superstar stuntwoman.
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KAREEN WYNTER, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With high- flying jumps, jaw-dropping flips and gravity-defying moves, it`s no wonder that world champion free runner Luci Romberg is one of Hollywood`s most sought after stuntwomen.
And here at the Tempest Free Running Academy in Los Angeles, Romberg is spilling her secrets on stunting to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
LUCI ROMBERG, STUNTWOMAN: It`s a great job. I love it. I love what I do.
WYNTER: And Hollywood loves her. Romberg`s performed stunts in more than 40 TV shows and movies like bar-brawling in "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," escaping disaster in "The Green Lantern" and being thrown from a moving car in "Zombieland."
(on camera) How do you make these stunts look so real on film?
ROMBERG: You know, some people, you know, in my mind, are professional athletes. So you know, you need to be well-rounded. The biggest secret is keeping your body healthy, because your body is your engine. This is what makes you money. And so taking care of yourself, you know, getting massages, going to the chiropractor -
WYNTER: It is so grueling on those sets and making it look real.
ROMBERG: Exactly. I mean, you know, stunts are a calculated risk. You know, they go to great measures to make sure it`s safe, but you know, you`re still abusing your body.
You`re still hitting the ground hard. You`re still falling down a real set of stairs. The better condition you are in, the less likely you are to get injured.
WYNTER: These are things the stars don`t want to do. Why do you jump in and say, "Hey, I`ll be the one for that?"
ROMBERG: You know, the stars aren`t allowed to do this stuff. You know, if they get injured, production is out, you know, however many weeks, however many millions of dollars, you know, if that the star is not available to work because they`re injured.
WYNTER: Some big name actresses you`ve also worked with on film?
ROMBERG: I doubled Abigail Breslin on "Zombieland." I doubled Anna Paquin, just for one episode, on "True Blood." Hayden Panettiere on "Heroes." I got to double Mary Lou Retton, which is really cool. She is an Olympic champion.
WYNTER: What was that like working on the set of "Indiana Jones"?
ROMBERG: It was so much fun. I was on the scene with the college kids in the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) when they all come together and fight. I was lucky I got to jump on the back of one of the bad guys who runs out of the diner and flips the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) back. So it was really cool getting to work with Steven Spielberg.
WYNTER: You worked as a stunt on "Indiana Jones." We want you to recreate it for us right now.
ROMBERG: That was mean.
(voice-over) Along with performing stunts, Luci says she trains many of Hollywood`s hottest starlets to do action scenes including Jennifer Lawrence for the thriller, "Hunger Games." But today, it`s my turn and Luci`s showing me the secrets to what she calls the safety vault.
ROMBERG: You`re going to run up, put your left hand down, your right foot up and you`re going to push through. Yes. Nice.
WYNTER: Thanks, Lucy, but don`t expect to see me sliding over any car hoods any time soon. But don`t let her fearless demeanor fool you. Despite her experience, Luci says she still gets nervous before the camera rolls.
(on camera) Do you ever get scared or worried?
ROMBERG: Oh, yes. Of course.
WYNTER: And you have the butterflies going?
ROMBERG: Yes, I get the butterflies even with the simplest stunt because you know you`re there to do a good job like, you know, hold yourself to a high standard. And yes, you want to make everybody look good. You want to get rehired for the next gig.
WYNTER (voice-over): And as those gigs in Hollywood keep coming, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you this stuntwoman`s career will continue to soar.
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HAMMER: Yes, that`s pretty cool. I`m afraid of her. That was SHOWBIZ TONIGHT`s Kareen Wynter flipping out.
And now, wow, what an entrance. Beyonce`s and Jay-Z`s little baby Blue certainly made a splash truly sparking the biggest star baby buzz in some time.
But today, we`re getting a brand-new glimpse into the high-end setup that Baby B had at New York City`s Lennox Hill Hospital. Now, there were a lot of wild reports out there that Bey and Jay spent a fortune to revamp their delivery room, reports the hospital has squashed. But did they get special star treatment?
Joining me right now, the spectacular Joely Fisher who starred, of course, in the fabulous sitcom "Till Death." And you can now watch it in syndication, which makes me very happy. Joely, it`s great to see you. Thanks for being here.
FISHER: Thanks for having me.
HAMMER: Absolutely. So listen, we learned today, Joely, that New York health officials looked into all those complaints out there that Beyonce and Jay-Z security detail were getting in the way of other new parents who just wanted to see their babies.
Officials have said there were no violations of health rules at least. Joely, you come from a famous family. You well know that people are going to believe what they want to believe when it comes to celebrities.
Do you think this new report will do anything to satisfy the people who say that this famous family did get special treatment?
FISHER: I mean, listen, I think there`s always a shred, a tiny little shred of truth. They obviously need security because people want to see this baby.
Listen, if I saw a hospital room like that, I`d have, like, six more babies. I mean, it`s a beautiful room. I doubt very much they paid for it.
You know, that`s silly. They were there for one day. But, you know, hospitals, most hospital rooms look like places for sick people.
So, you know, I chose to give birth at home because I didn`t want to give birth in that clinical, you know, sort of atmosphere.
HAMMER: Right.
FISHER: So, I mean, listen, people are going to be reserving that suite well in advance now, I`m sure. I can`t imagine that they got in the way of people seeing their newborn babies. I can`t imagine a hospital would allow that to happen. That sounds ludicrous.
HAMMER: I can`t either. And even if it did happen, I bet they didn`t know about it. They don`t want that to happen, because they`re two pretty great people and I would be very surprised if they had anything to do with that. And I can certainly understand their need for privacy.
FISHER: Of course not.
HAMMER: There`s been so much talk about this lavish room. I mean, it`s really been everywhere. Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT has obtained this, a picture of that very room.
And yes, it is pretty spectacular. How amazing is this? This is where Beyonce gave birth. And listen, what a suite - not just the space and comfort of it.
It`s got a media set up with four flat-screen TVs. It`s got state-of-the- art electronics. But you know, what do we expect? Blue Ivy`s parents are music royalty.
Joely, I want you to stay right there, because we`re going to take a closer look at the room.
FISHER: OK.
HAMMER: I want to know if what you set up at home in lieu of a hospital stay looked anything like that when you gave birth. Hold on for that answer.
FISHER: Just like it.
HAMMER: All right. I`m sure. Time now for the "SHOWBIZ News Ticker" - more stories from the SHOWBIZ TONIGHT newsroom making news tonight.
TEXT: Jessica Biel, Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis, to present at Golden Globe Awards. Kelly Osbourne tells SHOWBIZ why she didn`t wear her cast at "People`s Choice Awards."
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KELLY OSBOURNE, REALITY TV STAR: I know it`s really superficial, but I took my cast off and I left it in the car. I just couldn`t bear to walk down the red carpet with, like, in the brace. And it really hurts.
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HAMMER: Back now with the great Joely Fisher. We`re talking about the big buzz tonight over Beyonce and Jay-Z`s Baby Blue. And tonight, we`re getting this first look at the luxury delivery digs that was renovated just in time miraculously for Blue`s arrival.
Look at this. That`s pretty extravagant for a hospital room. Plush furniture, four flat-screen TVs, state-of-the-art electronics, a kitchenette, art, mahogany walls, even a nice, big comfy bed where Jay-Z could get shut eye.
Joely, does it look anything like you set up at home for the birth of your daughter?
FISHER: You know, I had a pretty incredible experience. I was in my own house. I had my nearest and dearest around me including my - you know, my first daughter who got to watch the entrance.
It`s a scary thing for a baby to come into the world. So the first thing she should look at is a flat-screen TV. I mean, come on, you know. But did they have a play list that they made especially for the entrance of the baby? I think not.
HAMMER: Nice. Nice. All right. So listen, "Till Death," such a terrific show. And I know, you know, with all the things you`ve worked on in your career, it`s one of your favorite projects. Why did you love this show so much which is now in syndication?
FISHER: You know, Brad Garrett and I were like a real married couple without the sex. Oh, wait, that`s a real married couple.
We had this amazing chemistry. We were around for four years. It was hard for people to find us. So now, we`re on every day. So now, new people are getting to know the show and are fans of it and that`s a really nice thing for us.
HAMMER: And you learned a little something about marriage along the way, even though it wasn`t your real marriage.
FISHER: Exactly, ripped from the headlines right on to the show. We took our own stories and threw them up there.
HAMMER: Joely, it is so great to see. This is - you know, we`re talking on the phone earlier. It`s our 15-year reunion. It`s been a while. It`s always terrific to see you.
FISHER: It is. Happy anniversary.
HAMMER: All right. Happy anniversary to you as well. Joely Fisher, great to see you. And make sure you catch Joely in "Till Death" in syndication now. Check your local listings.
And as we move on tonight, you`ll want to pucker up because I have Madonna`s brand-new confessions about her infamous kiss with Britney Spears.
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MADONNA: Nice, nice moment. Good kisser.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good kisser?
MADONNA: Yes.
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HAMMER: Would she want to do it all over again, though? That`s the question.
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HAMMER: Now, pucker up. The notoriously private Madonna speaks out about her infamous kiss with Britney Spears, you remember that, on the 2003 MTV Video Music Awards.
Well, in an interview that just aired on ABC, Cynthia McFadden takes Madonna on a stroll down memory lane. And that`s when Madonna spills the beans about that oh-so-famous kiss. Watch this.
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CYNTHIA MCFADDEN, ABC CORRESPONDENT: All right. This one.
MADONNA: Nice, nice moment. Good kisser.
MCFADDEN: Good kisser?
MADONNA: Yes. Cool.
MCFADDEN: You would do it again?
MADONNA: No, I already did it. I don`t like to repeat myself.
MCFADDEN: Very Madonna.
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HAMMER: Yes. Very Madonna indeed. And that is it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Thank you for watching. I`m A.J. Hammer. Remember, you can catch SHOWBIZ TONIGHT exclusively, weeknights 11:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific here on HLN.
Stay here for "DR. DREW," next. And tonight, Miley Cyrus` dad speaks out about his complicated relationship with his famous daughter. That starts right now.
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