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Piers Morgan Live

Interview with Seal; Interview with Rosemarie Terenzio

Aired January 27, 2012 - 21:00   ET

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PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Tonight, Seal opens up as he's never done before about Heidi Klum.

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SEAL HENRY OLUSEGUN OLUMIDE ADEOLA SAMUEL, MUSICIAN: My love for her has not waned one iota.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: The breakup.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAL: You try and search for the reasons why, but they just don't add up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: The rumors about his temper.

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SEAL: I'm not going to sit here and lie to you that I don't get animated. But having a volcanic temperature, screaming at my wife or my children is really hurtful.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: And their future -- will he try to win back one of the most beautiful women in the world?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAL: You can never say never, I'm not going to sit here and B.S. you and tell you we haven't had problems. Of course, we've had problems. Otherwise, why are we splitting up?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: Seal on the record, an emotional interview -- starts right now.

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MORGAN: Seal is one of the most recognizable musicians in the world. He's sold more than 20 million albums.

But this week, what a shocking announcement. He and his wife, supermodel Heidi Klum, are splitting up. He said he'd come on my show to talk about his new album anyway.

And he's here, despite this news breaking. The new album is "Soul 2," and Seal joins me now.

First off, Seal, thank you, for honoring your commitment to come on the show. Many people in your position would have run a mile, ducked it, canceled it. You've come to face the music, quite literally. And I appreciate that.

Why have you decided to face the music?

SEAL: Well, coming from you, Piers, that means a great deal to me, and I thank you for being so gracious. And just a moment ago, you came in to my dressing room, where you didn't really need to, to offer your heartfelt sympathy. And I appreciated that.

MORGAN: You know something -- not much shocks me. When this story broke, I was not only shocked, I was really sad because I've known you on and off for a long time, not -- we're not great friends. I've known you.

I've got to know your wife, Heidi, who's this fantastic woman. She came on the show. She talked so eloquently and passionately about your marriage just a couple of months ago.

I met you both at a party. We have a great time together and you just seemed the epitome of an unconventionally happy couple, who've been married for seven, eight years, still adored each other.

You renewed your vows every year with a ceremony and so on. And I just never saw this coming. And I think a lot of people feel, wow, how could this have happened to them?

SEAL: Well, I think -- I think you've hit the nail on the head right near there, Piers. You're absolutely right. Well, first of all, my wife is the most fantastic woman I've ever met, and I still believe that now, as I did eight years ago, the day I met her.

And she is wonderful in so many respects, and she's given me four incredible gifts, which were far beyond my dreams. And -- but, you know, you just -- you just grow apart. It just happens.

And you try and, you know, as -- you try and search for the reasons why. But they just don't add up. And you're absolutely right.

And I can understand when you say that you were shocked, because you know, you could include me, certainly, in that group of people who were shocked. I've always believed that -- and I've always said, you know, to my wife that we had it all, or that we have it all.

And you talked about unconventional. We met eight years ago when she was three weeks pregnant, and she said to me, well, I'm pregnant because I sensed something was wrong. I said, oh -- my first reaction was like, wow, that was quick.

(LAUGHTER)

SEAL: And she said, you know, she looked at me and she said -- and she said, not with you, stupid. And I thought about it, and I thought about -- a seven-second pause, and I thought about it and I thought about it, well, she must think the world of me to even be here with me.

And you know, so -- to which I replied after the initial shock, yes, well, it doesn't really change anything for me, it doesn't change the way that I'm feeling right now. I feel on top of the world.

And then, of course, we have, you know, what we like to refer to as the United Nations of Children. You know, we have one beautiful blonde-haired, blue-eyed seven-and-a-half-year old who is -- she pretty much owns my heart. We have this six-year-old son, who looks like I spat him out, he's so much -- he's so much like me, is so much like me as much as I try not to admit that. But he is.

And then we have this -- like little boy who's kind of mixture of both of us. But I actually he looks like my dad. And then we have this beautiful two-year old called Lou. We had everything.

MORGAN: Let me -- let me play you a little clip from my interview with Heidi, which is very recent, because I want to know what your reaction is to this.

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HEIDI KLUM, MODEL: I just think because we love each other, we have fun with each other, we respect each other, I let him do his thing, even though that's hard for me sometimes, you know, because I'm like, I'm not sure if I like that song. Are you sure? And then I'm like I have to zip it up sometimes.

And you learn that, you know, the years that you are together, I learned how to have to like let him do his creative thing, because I am quite bossy in my industry. So sometimes I say too many things, and I learn to kind of hold back. So I let him do his thing and he lets me do my thing and, you know, we spend a lot of time together. (END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: See, when I spent time with Heidi, I was really struck by her. She's an incredibly impressive character, and she's beautiful and she's funny, she's smart, she's mischievous, she's -- you know, she's everything, as you would say, that you could possibly wish for in a woman.

And conversely, the way she talked about you, you came across, you know, she told me story of how you first met and then how you proposed in this sort of igloo up half of a mountain and so on.

And the more she talked about you, the more animated she became. And so when I say I was shocked, I was like really shocked. And when I hear you talk now, I'm like --

SEAL: It doesn't make sense.

MORGAN: No. And what -- I suppose what I'm getting at, does it really make sense to you?

SEAL: I don't know if any of it makes sense, to be quite honest, Piers. And you know, you -- again, you know, we -- I touched upon this thing earlier about having it all.

It is -- how can two people who have it all, as I described, have the careers, have the love for each other, have the beautiful family, have the respect and the honor and the friendship for each other, how can it, all of a sudden, take a left turn?

So, no, it doesn't really make sense. And I suppose that the biggest question -- and I -- you know, I appreciate the fact that you're being respectful -- the biggest question that people are asking, you know, why, there must be one incident, there must be one thing that, you know, they were keeping a secret or maybe there was, you know, that, maybe that something happened or maybe she did something or I did something.

And the truth of the matter is, you know, and I can tell you most sincerely is that it wasn't any one particular thing, which is why we are -- we are managing to stay so civil.

MORGAN: The rumor mill's alive, you know, we're in the world of Twitter, of Facebook, everybody thinks they know why you two split up, and the reality's probably a lot more mundane anything that's on Twitter. But one of the things is: Seal had a temper problem.

SEAL: I looked at something on one of these things online, where they were saying that I had a volcanic temper, because whilst I don't really particularly care what's ever written about me, whether it's good or bad, that was then. I have -- we have four responsibilities now. We have four children.

And so, our first priority and our first concern is shielding them from as much of the outside negativity in this world of new media that we can do. So I wanted to look at this. And I -- and I read this thing about having a volcanic temper.

Now, of course, as I said before, people want to sensationalize things and people, you know, that's just the nature of the business. And one of the clips they showed was of me shouting. In actual fact, I don't even think I was shouting, but I raised my voice at a reporter.

And it was an incident where we were walking through an airport in Los Angeles, and I had my son and my daughter in either hand.

And we were swarmed and -- by about, I don't know anywhere from 15 to 20 paparazzi in the airport, you know? And one of them hit my son in the head with a camera lens. And, honestly, Piers, I don't know anyone, man or woman, any parent who will not react when you see your -- you know, your child being hit and holding his head by a camera lens.

And I obviously said something to the reporter, you know, and then, of course, I become the angry stereotype, you know. I become the rock star, the angry rock star with a hot temper. And --

MORGAN: I don't think you are at all, are you? I mean, I've not -- but (INAUDIBLE) many people, but --

SEAL: I'm not going to -- I'm not going to sit here and lie to you that I don't get animated, and I don't -- and I'm not opinionated, but having a volcanic temper, raising my voice or screaming or, you know, or screaming at my wife or my children or that being the reason for a breakup was, you know, I can -- that's like water off a duck's back for me, but it's hurtful to me that my kids, you know, because that's the priority here.

It's, you know, it's Heidi and I going our separate ways is one thing. But it's really hurtful that our kids may come across that piece of information, which just isn't true, because you know, as kids, you start asking yourself, well, did I miss something?

Was -- is, you know, are mama and papa not telling me something? But, you know, that's the nature of our industry, that, you know, we chose that life, Piers.

You know, it's entertainment. It's different now than when you and I both started. We do live in this age of new media. People sensationalize to sell things and it's the -- it's just what you have to deal with.

MORGAN: Just hold that thought for a moment and let's pick up on that after the break.

When we come back, the question that everybody's asking: could Heidi and Seal get back together?

And later, America's tragic royalty: JFK Jr. and his wife Carolyn, a "Fairy Tail Interrupted".

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MORGAN: Do you -- do you think it's irreparable? I mean, there's a song on the album, "Let's Stay Together."

SEAL: "Let's Stay Together." (INAUDIBLE).

MORGAN: I mean --

SEAL: Do I think it's irreparable -- is your question.

She -- Heidi Samuel, as I like to call her. I mean, you know, that's -- she actually is Heidi Samuel. But for obvious reasons, she's still Heidi Klum -- is without question the most incredible woman I've ever met in my entire life.

She has incredible strength, incredible resilience. She has -- I'd like to think she has made me a better man. I learned so many things from her and from -- and from being with her.

My love for her has not waned one iota. I do -- I love her with all my heart. How can you not love somebody?

MORGAN: This is making me even sadder.

SEAL: Well, how can you -- how can you not love somebody that you -- who've just spent eight years with? How can you just all, you know, some -- then some malicious thing that was, I know he's still wearing his wedding ring and wants, you know, he's doing it for show or whatever.

Well, I'm still wearing my wedding ring because I'm still married to this incredible woman. And you don't, all of a sudden, from one day to the next just so, just say I hate -- unless you are that, you know, those type of people. You don't, from one day to the next, just say, oh, I hate you, and take off your wedding ring.

I tell you what? This -- what this means to me and what it stands for, it stands for respect. It stands for loyalty. It stands for incredible memories. And it stands for these four little miracles. And Heidi making five, that have come into my life over the past eight years --

MORGAN: It also stands for, at the moment, possibly unfinished business.

SEAL: And, yes, back to your question. Is it irreparable? You can never say never. Obviously, I can't speak for my wife.

And again, I'm not going to sit here and B.S. you and tell you we haven't had problems. Of course, we have had problems. Otherwise, why are we splitting up? I mean, this is not a charade, you know, and we have problems. We have issues.

But in our favor, I think that -- or to our credit, we have always been able to talk about them. We have always been able to confront each other. And you know, I always used to say to my wife, you know, the thing that I loved most about us, because to assume that no couple -- that any couple goes without arguing or having a difference of opinion is just nonsense.

But I always used to say to my wife that the thing that I love most about us is that we are a team, and that we are -- we are unpenetrable in that respect.

We -- the outside influences can't get in, because, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what happened behind closed doors, when we are out and about, or whether we are, in fact, when we've kind of had our disagreements, even when we're in the house, can I look at you and say, are you good? Right? When there are more important things to talk about and to focus on. And if she can look at me back and say, and say, yes, I am good, you know, that's what we've always, always been able to do. And that won't change.

And whether we get back together or not, it may happen. I can't speak for her.

MORGAN: Would you like it to?

SEAL: Would I like it to? I don't know. I don't know at this point to be honest, Piers. I think, you know, again, you know, if it were that easy, if there weren't problems, we would still be together. That is the reality.

And I think that, you know, we released that statement because we wanted to handle this as civilly and as -- with as much dignity and self-respect and honor as possible.

So there is no need to go into detail as to why we actually split up. But I will answer your question by saying that I don't know. I don't know right now, because if I did know, I would say, no. Or yes. As simple as that sounds, I would say that, yes, I hope it gets back -- we get back together.

But in another sense, we will always be together.

Yes, the -- who knows what will happen. We are going to separate. We may become legally separated. Who knows if it makes either of us happy, we may even become divorced. I can't look into the future, but I can say that we will always be the greatest of friends.

We will always be bound together for life, because we have produced the things that I am most proud of, more so than anything I've ever achieved in my career, my profession.

MORGAN: Let's have a little break and come back and talk about these proud things in your life, your wonderful children, and also your childhood, which was very difficult and possibly very inspirational to where you led your life -- in good and bad ways.

SEALS: Right.

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SEAL: If I need to connect with God, I always look at this thing I hold around my neck. But if you look right here, that's four examples of God. On the reverse side, that's another one. And there's another one. And there's yet another one.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: Seal in the documentary film, "My God."

Your kids, I know, mean more to you than anything else in the world. So this must be a huge wrench to you, what's happening anyway, particularly given your upbringing. You know, you had this really awful situation, where your mother gave you away and then a few years later, she tried to get you back.

And --

SEAL: She did, actually. She got me back. I remember I was -- when I was born, I was -- I was given up to what we used to call foster parents, which, again, in my opinion, is just a B.S. way of saying adoption. You can't deal, except that you don't have to go through the papers.

And so -- but I understand that, you know, you -- one of the things you learn very quickly as a parent is that you do the best that you can. And if that's not good enough, then it's just not good enough. But as long as you try and do the best you can.

For the first four years of my life, I lived with these white foster parents in Romford, in Essex, who treated with me -- and I'm -- emphasize the fact that they were white, because I was the only black -- I later found out I was the only black kid in that neighborhood.

MORGAN: Really?

SEAL: And but I was never made to feel so because they had four kids of their own, and those were the most important years of my childhood, because they -- it was that harmony that I would constantly refer back to, because my life after that, my mother -- my biological mother came to take me when I was four years old, and it was this strange woman who I'd never seen before.

MORGAN: Do you remember that?

SEAL: Yes, I remember that moment very, very well, because I remember she -- I remember -- I remember screaming all the way home on the bus to Brixton, which is where she was living with her new boyfriend.

I remember exactly where I was sitting on the bus, and I don't remember much from that very early part of my childhood, because, of course, it was quite traumatic and dysfunctional after that, that you tend to block a lot of it out.

But I remember exactly -- I remember the face of the conductor, I remember her face, I remember exactly where I was sitting on the bus, and I remember screaming all the way home. I didn't get on with her. That was it. You know, I didn't like this woman.

Two years later, this strange man that I'd never seen before, who was my father.

MORGAN: Biological father?

SEAL: Yes, my biological father, he came to take me and I live with him and his new wife, my stepmother, who I love dearly, and that was pretty much when the hell started. I was thrashed every day of my life from the age of 6 to 15, when I wrote --

MORGAN: By your father?

SEAL: Yes. I wrote a note under my pillow that night, and I ran away from home at 15.

MORGAN: When you say thrashed, how?

SEAL: Well, my father used to -- my father used to -- he used to -- there was one point where my father cut up six what must be -- must have been meter-length pieces of twine, something that you hang the curtain up with, and because I'd been suspended from school. Now, I will say that I wasn't the easiest child at school, you know --

MORGAN: Why should you be, after all this?

SEAL: Well, when you have kids, you realize that it's not the easiest gig in the world, but, yes, you're absolutely right, for all intents and purposes, I was a child. And my father thrashed me -- he broke every single one of those until I was so badly blistered and beaten that I couldn't leave the house for two weeks because surely someone from social services would have stopped me and said, how did you get those?

But when I left home, and the reason I left home at the age of 15 was because my father had come home one day and in a terrible mood, you know, something had happened, I don't know what it was. And he took it out on me, but he beat me in a very different way this time. He took his fist and he punched me to the ground as though he were punching a man of his own size.

So, I was homeless at 15. I slept in the -- I used to hide in the Underground. I used to hide at Queens Park Station Underground until, you know, they do the final search and -- because that was the only warm place. And I would sleep on -- I would sleep in the underground.

I would -- I slept in homeless shelters, on friends' floors. And I blamed him for many, many, many years. He showed me everything that I must never be. Every single day of those six to 15 years, I vowed I would never, ever be like my father.

MORGAN: Is that one of the reasons why when you get smeared with this volcanic temper thing, it really annoys you, because actually the last thing you would be is like that, because of the way you were brought up?

SEAL: No, the reason is, is that I don't want my kids to ever see that. You know, it's one thing Heidi and I having our differences. But I don't want our kids to ever read that. I want them to -- already, I feel as though I have failed them.

You know that's -- and that's my responsibility. You know, that's -- that is -- I am at least half of that decision making process. I have failed to continue to set an example for a secure, loving family unit as an example for our children. That is the reality of it. There is no way of getting around it.

If we continue along this path that we are doing, Heidi and myself, and we separate, kids are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. They will be fine and, of course, we will do our utmost best -- utmost best to make sure that we connect with them, that we continue along the same path --

MORGAN: Are they aware of what's happening?

SEAL: Yes.

MORGAN: You've told them?

SEAL: Of course we have. And --

MORGAN: Given everything you've been telling me --

SEAL: We had to tell them.

MORGAN: From everything you've been telling me, in this incredibly powerful way, that moment when you had to sit down with your kids to say that must have been, I would say, probably the most difficult moment of your life, knowing what you've been through.

SEAL: I can tell you unequivocally the most difficult thing I have ever had to do in my entire life after Heidi and I came to this decision, was to sit down with our three children and tell them -- try and explain to them that we love them very much and that we are very -- we still love each other, but that, you know, I will be -- things will be different.

But the difficult thing was knowing that this institution of marriage and this thing that both of us have held in such high regard, and this magical mystery tour that we have been on for the last eight years, was about to take a very serious, dynamic change. And I'm sure our children will be OK. I will emphasize that, because both Heidi and myself, we are -- if nothing else, we are great friends, who love each other. And we are not the type of people who will ever quarrel in front of children.

We are not the type of people who will ever let them see an ugly side of either of us. We are not those kind of people.

MORGAN: Let's take a break. Let's come back and talk about music. Let's talk about this album. I mean, you couldn't be more appropriate or inappropriate to this, Seal. "Let's Stay Together" "What's Going On" "Love Don't Live Here Anymore," "Back Stabbers," I'll Be Around," "Love Won't Let Me Wait," "Lean On Me," "Oh Girl." Let's talk about this after the break.

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(SINGING)

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MORGAN: "Let's Stay Together" from Seal's new album, "Should II." Absolutely love that version of that song.

SEAL: You know what's funny about that? I was watching, as I'm sure you have seen the clip of President Obama.

MORGAN: How good was he?

SEAL: Well, exactly, that's what I had to say. I heard him sing that and I thought, God, it's a good job he didn't cover that, because he -- I honestly thought -- and this is not false modesty. I wasn't aware that he had such great tone in his voice.

MORGAN: I thought he was unbelievable.

SEAL: I thought he was really great. And he would have sang --

MORGAN: Imagine the pressure on him. He's got his aides telling him, President Obama, this is not a good idea, right, to sing in public, with Youtube and everything. This could end everything.

How do you think he's doing? You've been in America for 20 odd years now. And the ascent of a black president , after all the wait, and against all the odds, was an incredible thing to witness. I was here. It was just so exciting. How is he doing, do you think? What is the reality check about Barack Obama?

SEAL: Well, you mentioned black president. And it's funny, that, because, you know, of course, his mother's white and his father's very black, as I understand it, almost as black as me. But, you know, of course, such is the nature of this country. He's not white. He's not snow white. And so therefore he must be black.

I never say that to our -- the three of our -- in fact, I never say that to any of our kids. We never say that to any of our kids. We don't say that they're black. We just say that they're this beautiful mix. But that's also the great thing about this country, is that that can happen.

And it's one of, if not the only country in the world where you can go from such a -- this country can take such a paradigm shift going from a Bush administration, hard right, right, to, in a post- 9/11 era, somebody by the name of a kind of, for all intents and purposes, black man by the name of Barack Obama. Right?

That is the great thing about America. I think it's the greatest country in the world. But I'll say the same thing now as I said back then, to answer your question. What this country was in need of was not a great president. This country was in need of a great leader. And he has never waned, not one single bit.

MORGAN: Let's end on the positive note of this album, although I've got to say, if you're reading the titles on the songs on this album, it is like a lament for a guy going through a terrible love split, isn't it? As you were preparing this album, did you have any concept that that was how this was all going to play out?

SEAL: No, not at all. I have always strived to do something different, to push myself. Because indeed, my first loyalty is to music. I love our industry. I love the song. I love the voice. I love it. Not necessarily my voice. But I care about the song and the voice.

MORGAN: They're all about, Seal, tormented love. You get the irony of this?

SEAL: That, in of itself, probably gives you some insight into who I am as a person.

MORGAN: Were you aware when you -- as I say, when you put this together, was it anything to do with what was happening with your life at that moment?

SEAL: No.

MORGAN: Total coincidence?

SEAL: No, because we -- we -- I wasn't the only person who picked those songs. In actual fact, Trevor picked a lot of them. But you know, you never know. You never know. You never know how you come across to some people.

I mean, people have always said -- you know, there's a famous Joni Mitchell line, "there's comfort in melancholy." And people have said for as long as I can remember about my career and about the songs that I sing, that although they are ultimately optimistic, there is a sense of melancholy about them.

Maybe I carry that about me without even knowing. Maybe I do so. That, in some kind of round about way, could be -- have had some influence. But no.

MORGAN: Seal, it's been a great interview. Thank you very much. And I wish you and Heidi all the very best for your kinds, hope it all works out in the best way for all of you. I'm sad. And I appreciate all your candor today in talking to me about this. Best of luck.

SEAL: Thank you.

MORGAN: The new album is "Soul II." It's a terrific album. And it's on sale right now.

Coming up next, inside the marriage of JFK Jr. and his wife Carolyn, their tragic fairy tale interruption, with one of the people who knew them best.

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MORGAN: The Kennedy family is the closest thing to American royalty. The crown prince was John F. Kennedy. From his childhood salute at his father's funeral to his death in a tragic plain crash, he was always in the spotlight. Now his personal assistant is breaking years of silence in her new book "Fairy Tale Interrupted, A Memoir of Life, Love and Loss."

Rosemarie Terenzio joins me now. Rosemary Terenzio, It's a very personal book, very moving --

ROSEMARIE TERENZIO, PERSONAL ASST. TO JFK JR.: Yeah, it is.

MORGAN: -- in many places.

TERENZIO: Yeah.

MORGAN: Tell me why you decided, after all this time, to write it?

TERENZIO: Well, I had done an interview -- a TV interview in 2009 about John's charity Reaching Up. It was the 20-year anniversary. And I had been approached to do an interview about it. So I did. And there was sort of a renewed interest. And I started to get approached again about the possibilities of telling the story and telling the stories of how we met, the girl from the Bronx and the whole, you know, sort of mismatched friendship that developed.

MORGAN: The passage in the book where you hear of his death is particularly moving, because you can't really believe it. You refuse to believe it at the time. You are getting all these messages from people saying how sorry they are. But you're determined somehow for this not to be true.

Describe to me what it was like, this, because obviously for the world, it was this huge shock. For you personally, an incredible blow.

TERENZIO: It was devastating, because it wasn't just about -- I mean, it wasn't just about losing your boss or your job. It was about losing two people -- three people actually that I was very close to and I had a very close friendship with. And I think because I always felt that John was sort of my protector, my sort of older brother, it was frightening in a way. It was frightening to think of what it would be like without him.

MORGAN: There are these sort of unsavory details about the funeral where people are still jostling for a good position and all that kind of thing. What did that tell you about the nature of -- I don't know, modern celebrity, modern politics and the way that people would stoop so low.

TERENZIO: You know what? I think that people had this sort of desire to feel very close to John, because there was so many people, you know, who were vying for attention from him that I think it was important. He was important to enough people that they just really wanted to feel close to him. And they wanted to feel like they knew him really well.

MORGAN: Yes. I mean, John and Carolyn, they started dating at the time you began working for him. So you were in unique position to watch how that relationship unfolded. I guess the mythology is that she found it very, very difficult to be suddenly the subject of the public gaze. How would you describe the relationship, as you saw it develop?

TERENZIO: You know, as I saw it develop, they sort of started out -- they had this little camaraderie. They were friends. They were buddies. They laughed together. And they gossiped together. And they were -- you know, they obviously socialized together.

But they were friends. They seemed comfortable around each other. They liked being around each other.

MORGAN: But did she find it tough, do you think, being in the public gaze?

TERENZIO: Initially, I think it was very difficult because it was -- once they got married, it somehow amped up. The attention amped up and the paparazzi became, you know, more vigilant. And I think that was surprising to her. Because when they were dating, it was kind of doable. It was kind of bearable.

It was sort of sometimes even amusing to her. But for some reason, once they got married, it really got worse.

MORGAN: Let's have a little break and come back and talk about politics and how you think the John F. Kennedy Jr. story would have developed if he stayed alive, what he would be doing now.

TERENZIO: OK.

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RAINN WILSON, ACTOR: I was literally sitting in my trailer at "The Office." And I was looking at the CNN website. And they had this CNN Heroes. I think it was in the first year. And I saw this story on this guy Aaron Jackson. This is a young kid from Florida, grew up on a golf course. You know, didn't really have much direction in his life.

And then he went traveling in the third world and he saw poverty. He decided to just devote his life to making the world a better place.

AARON JACKSON, CNN HERO: Today we dewormed an estimated maybe a little over 100 people.

WILSON: It's been great to be able to help out Aaron Jackson, Planting Peace, by doing some fundraisers and just help his organization really get moving.

They have four or five orphanages in Haiti. And I also went out when they distributed the deworming medication out in the rural villages and towns.

JACKSON: You're distributing food, aid, all around the country. So many kids can be eating their fill, but because they're so filled with worms, they're unable to digest and process that food. So it's really a waste. You see a kid that's highly anemic, not alert at all. And once you rid them of worms, they come back to life. That's what to me is so amazing. You see just an immediate impact.

Since the heroes segment in 2007, we've actually raised enough money, with Rainn's help, to deworm every child in Haiti, all 3.2 million kids.

WILSON: Anyone can be a hero. It just takes a little bit of work.

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WILSON: CNN Heroes inspired me to step up my game and try and do more to help the world.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An intense search is under way off the coast of Long Island, stretching all the way up to Massachusetts this morning, as there are reports now that the private plane apparently in which John F. Kennedy Jr. was flying, perhaps even piloting, has gone missing.

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MORGAN: John and Carolyn's plane crashed on July 16th, 1999, another tragedy in the Kennedy family. Rosemarie Terenzio, John's personal assistant, author of "Fairy Tail Interrupted," is back with me now. You had this awful task of having to plan the funeral with Caroline Kennedy. Tell me about that.

TERENZIO: It was -- you know, it was a time when I had to behave as though he were still there. My job was continuing in a way. Even though it was awful and a dreadful situation, I felt a duty to him to keep going and to help his sister and do what I would do if he were still there.

MORGAN: Have you stayed in touch with the family at all?

TERENZIO: I mean, I see Caroline from time to time at events or restaurants or -- it's always really nice to see her. We don't stay in touch on a regular basis. But I certainly -- when I do see her, it's really pleasant.

MORGAN: Do you know how they reacted to the book, the family?

TERENZIO: No, I don't. I don't. I didn't put it out there to anyone, not even my own sisters. They have to buy it. They haven't read it yet. I felt if I had too many eyes on it, it would -- it would -- it might change the way it turned out. And I'm really proud of the way it turned out. MORGAN: What do you think John would have been doing now, if he'd been alive, in terms of his political career? Because he was on a real fast track. Everybody had these great hopes for him, which were all snuffed away. What do you think he would have been doing?

TERENZIO: He certainly talked about running for office at some point. But I know that he was enthusiastic and excited and wanted "George" magazine to succeed before he went on to his next venture. And given the state of politics now, I mean, politicians are now celebrities. So I think it was an idea that was ahead of its time. We would have been having a lot of fun right now.

MORGAN: Yes. And what will your lasting memory be of him?

TERENZIO: Well, I think, you know, the legacy he left that was unfortunately, "George." What I learned from him, I think, all the amazing things that I learned from him, you know, about manners, about people, about media. And he was a great mentor. He was a great teacher.

And you know, he always said nothing is as good or as bad as the current situation will have you believe. So --

MORGAN: Well, he's a remarkable man and had a remarkable life, albeit a very short one. Rosemarie Terenzio, thank you very much indeed.

TERENZIO: Thank you very much, Piers.