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Nancy Grace
Body in Blue Barrel Confirmed to Be Angela Allen
Aired February 24, 2012 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Arkansas. A junior high school girl, Butterfield High, goes for a walk around her small town neighborhood, never seen alive again. Police cadaver dogs hit on a blue 50-gallon plastic barrel buried three feet under muddy earth just 17 miles from her own home.
Bombshell tonight. The search for little Angela comes to an end. In the last hours, we confirm the body in the blue plastic barrel is Butterfield Junior High`s Angela Allen.
Also in the last hours, in court, the convicted sex predator who police believe lured the little girl on line by posing himself as a teenage boy. The little girl didn`t know the awful truth until it was too late.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was looking for his next potential victim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don`t want to believe it!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fifteen-year-old Angela Allen...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too much!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was very unlike her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She vanished into thin air.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She always kept close contact with her family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is monitored all the time by the authorities.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Search by air, by water, by land.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I assumed that she would return from her walk.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to accept it!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His name is posted on the Internet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Vibrant, loving, outgoing girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The community is aware of him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That barrel holds many clues.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every time you`d see her, she would just run up to you and hug you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lloyd Jones, a convicted rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We got a flyer that had his name on it and that he was a registered sex offender.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not an isolated case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really miss her!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arkansas police spend hours digging in a muddy grave.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anybody`s child. If it can happen to Angela, then it can happen to anybody`s child.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening, I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. The search for Angela comes to an end. In the last hours, we confirm the body in that blue plastic barrel is Angela Allen.
Also in the last hours, in court, the convicted sex predator who police believe lured the little girl on line by posing himself as a teenage boy. She didn`t know the awful truth until it was too late. Can you imagine this junior high girl thinking she was going out to meet a teenage boy she had been texting on line? Only when she stepped into his white pickup truck did she realize the teenage boy was none other than a 36-year- old Lloyd Jones, a convicted sex predator.
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Mallory Cooke with CNN affiliate KFSM. Mallory Cooke, thank you for being with us. What do we know?
MALLORY COOKE, KFSM: All right, well, Nancy, we recently learned out (ph) -- they did an autopsy this week, and the cause of death came back as strangulation. And like you said, the medical examiner`s office was able to identify that Angela Allen is the person inside that barrel.
GRACE: To Kelley Ray, news director, KWHN. Cadaver dogs hit on uneven earth, disturbed earth at a big farmland area around 17 miles away from the little girl`s home. I understand that the body of this junior high schooler was folded over inside the 50-gallon plastic drum?
KELLEY RAY, KWHN (via telephone): It had to be squashed in that barrel some way, Nancy, to -- for this person to somewhat bury Angela Allen. And you can tell just from the way he did it, it was one of those quick type of things. He didn`t even bury it completely. Part of the barrel was still sticking up above the earth.
GRACE: With us is Kelley Ray, news director, KWHN. We are live and taking your calls.
Joining me right now is a special guest. Joining us exclusively out of Van Buren, Arkansas, is Colleen Allen. This is Angela`s adopted mom. Ms. Allen, thank you for being with us.
COLLEEN ALLEN, ANGELA`S MOTHER (via telephone): Thank you for having me.
GRACE: Ms. Allen, first of all, our prayers and sympathies with you all. I just can`t imagine pouring your heart and your love into a little girl, watching her grow up to be like Angela. Just everybody loved her, just so effervescent, sweet, good grades, a good girl all around.
It`s my understanding that she wanted to go to some event and she couldn`t go because you were working two jobs that evening. Is that right?
ALLEN: No. No, no, no. She wanted to have a friend spend that night with her.
GRACE: Yes, ma`am.
ALLEN: And she had two jobs. She had to work at a place called the Anna May (ph) Store, and she was -- what she was doing was she was earning money for a new phone. And she was going to work up there that day to help her friend out, and then that night, she had a baby-sitting job and...
GRACE: Oh, I understand, Ms. Allen. You mean -- you mean little Angela had two jobs set up?
ALLEN: Yes. And that was for Saturday evening. And it was already - - well, one was for Saturday morning and the baby-sitting job was for Saturday night. And she knew about it. She did -- she got a little upset with me because I said, Well, Angie, you know you`ve got -- you`ve got to work up at Dave`s store, and then, I said, You have to take care of Cooper (ph). You`ve got to baby-sit Cooper, you know, Saturday evening.
Well, OK, Mom. I`m just going to go ahead and walk around the block, which she had done, I don`t know, I mean, hundreds of times. And she never came home. That was it.
GRACE: What happened then, Ms. Allen? I mean, you think she`s just walking around the block. You live in an extremely safe area. It`s a very low population. It`s a beautiful countryside, very, very low crime rate. I`m sure you never thought anything could happen to her.
ALLEN: No. Like I said, she had walked around the block and had come home before. And -- and I had called her phone -- and that happened about between 7:00 and 7:15, maybe 7:30 that night.
And she had always come home, and take her maybe 10 or 15 minutes because she always had to stop and visit, like, mom number 25 or mom number 5, because all these other parents adopted her just like she was a member of their family.
And I got started getting worried about 10:30. I said, OK, she`ll be here. Well, I got up Saturday morning, and her bed had not been slept in. I said, Oh, my God, something`s happened.
I called a very good friend of mine, Tammy Locklear (ph), and I told Tammy what had happened. And I said, I`ve got to go and find Angie. And I`m going to tell you where we went. We went up to the city park. We went to her school there, to the junior high, to see if she might have been hanging with some friends there. We went to the other schools around town.
And we had one more park to go to, and that was Lee Creek (ph) Park. And we checked the riverbanks. We checked everywhere we could think of. I came home. I called the police. I told them what had happened.
And they said, Did she have her phone with her? I said yes. OK. Did she take her charger? I said, Excuse me? For a walk around the block, you don`t take a phone charger. They asked me that I don`t know how many times, and I kept telling them there was no phone charger. Did she take a change of clothes? To walk around the block, a change of clothes?
GRACE: Oh, I see where they`re going, Ms. Allen. They`re trying to suggest that she was a runaway.
ALLEN: Yes.
GRACE: Ms. Allen, when did they finally tell you that they thought that they had found her body?
ALLEN: After they had to call in the FBI. And then that was I don`t know how many days later. They were like we were. They were checking every possibility they could find. And they finally...
GRACE: You know, what do you think about the fact that, apparently, this 36-year-old convicted sex offender was posing as a teen boy himself, and little Angela had no idea and had been texting this guy? Hold on. Let me tell you something else.
Ellie Jostad, we`ve managed to find him on all sorts of dating Web sites, including one site where he posted a picture of himself and his penis.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. I got a real education. I didn`t even know some of these sites were out here. He was on Mbuzzy.com (ph). He was on another site called Winksite.com (ph). He was on a Cupid (ph) site. All of these -- another one called Rudester (ph). That`s the one where he posted the picture of what we believe could be his penis.
He -- on all these sites, he says he`s looking for any fine girl who wants to call me, text me, here`s the number.
GRACE: Ellie, Ellie, Ellie! What do you mean it could be his penis?
JOSTAD: Well, you know, it`s on...
GRACE: If it looks like a penis, it probably is, Ellie!
JOSTAD: Right. All I`m saying is...
GRACE: Just FYI.
JOSTAD: ... I can`t confirm it`s his. There is definitely that picture...
GRACE: Well, I`m glad that you`re...
JOSTAD: ... on his profile.
GRACE: ... being editorially correct. So he`s on all these Web sites, but how was he getting in touch with a little girl like her?
JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, the way that the police tracked him down is that they found in her text records that there`d been text messages exchanged with a particular number. Using that phone number, they found all these profiles of his on line that included that phone number. They recognized him. They`d dealt with this guy before in his rape case.
GRACE: Tonight, we confirm the end of the search for a beautiful junior high schooler, Angela Allen. Behind bars at this hour, a convicted sex predator who police believe lured the little girl by posing himself as a teen boy.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The disappearance of 16-year-old Angela Allen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A short walk around the neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The teen would never again be seen alive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Female human remains found.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to accept it, you know, but...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stuffed in a 50-gallon blue barrel.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don`t want to believe it!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Teen victim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Roller-coaster of emotion.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lloyd Jones. He`s 36 years old, a convicted rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A level three sex offender.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exchanging messages with her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Social networking site.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He can be who he wants to be, bring someone into a Web.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was looking for his next potential victim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s sick.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We met on line, on-line dating service.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His girlfriend, Amanda Cox (ph), had seen Jones the night that Allen disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Found buried in a barrel in a muddy, shallow grave.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He came home a little before 10:00, between 9:00 and 10:00 sometime, and was covered in mud.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: A junior high schooler lured to her death. The search for little Angela comes to an end, her body identified, folded over in a plastic drum, buried three feet under the muddy earth. Tonight, under suspicion, a convicted sex predator, a 36-year-old man living with his two girlfriends. He says he was afraid they might get mad if he brought home the junior high school girl.
To Ellie Jostad. Explain to me -- he gave a statement to police. What, if anything, did he say?
JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. Well, he says that he picked Angela up in the parking lot of a hospital that`s just a couple blocks from her house. He says he was considering taking her back to his home, but then thought, no, the two girlfriends might be upset by that. So he says he took her to an area near the Arkansas River.
He claims that when she told him she was only 16 years old, that he got angry and that he pushed her into the river. He says he left her there. However, Nancy, police say no fluid in her lungs, so that part of the story doesn`t jibe with the physical evidence.
GRACE: To Dr. Bill Lloyd, board-certified surgeon and pathologist. What do you make of it, Dr. Lloyd?
DR. BILL LLOYD, SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, it appears that there was a violent struggle, that this gentleman, Lloyd Jones, then viciously killed Angela, they say by strangulation. And then he moved very quickly to dispose of the remains.
He realized the harm that he had caused, the danger that he was going to be in. He moved quickly to take the remains and stuff them in that barrel and then attempt to bury the barrel as quick as possible.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us, Sue Moss, New York, Peter Odom, Renee Rockwell, Atlanta. Weigh in, Sue.
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: He was surprised that she was 16? He was writing text messages to her where he was claiming to be only a high school boy! So we know that`s a lie!
But worse, this convicted sex offender even confessed to the crime when he was in jail, when he was with his daddy! So clearly, clearly, this guy`s story is a total fraud! And this guy is -- all hell is going to unfurl when his trial goes out!
GRACE: So to you, Peter Odom. I guess your only advice to your client in this case would be, what, lethal injection versus electrocution, if they`ve even got a choice?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, Nancy, because my job would be to defend this person, not to throw him to the wolves. But that would involve finding out what the physical evidence leads us to. And this case is going to boil down to the physical evidence.
GRACE: There`s a dead junior high school girl in a barrel! What more evidence do you want?
ODOM: His story is very troublesome. But before we go throwing any switches, Nancy...
GRACE: You mean it`s a lie?
ODOM: Before we go throwing any switches, don`t you think that it would be nice to find out what all the physical evidence shows? It`s very early in the investigation. And I know that everybody...
GRACE: Renee Rockwell...
ODOM: ... wants to put him to death right now.
GRACE: ... I`m curious. I`m curious, Renee Rockwell. I`ve heard this word used so often by defense attorneys. What is exactly meant by the word, it`s "troublesome," his statement is troublesome?
Practically everything he`s said has been proven to be a lie based on the physical evidence, based on the condition of her body. He implicates himself. He says he did it, that he possibly broke her arms while throwing her into the river, when she told him she was 16. And he left her to drown.
There was no water in her lungs whatsoever. So obviously, that`s a lie. Also, based on the condition of the body, they don`t know when she died, Renee. She could have been kept alive and tortured ritualistically for days before she was murdered.
So which part is the most troublesome to you, Renee?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, you never want your client to admit to anything, number one.
GRACE: Yes!
ROCKWELL: And a homicide detective also does not stop investigating a case just because there`s a statement. You well know statements can be excluded.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don`t want to believe it. It`s just -- it`s too much!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s not this man. That`s not the Lloyd I know. It`s not the Lloyd his family knows. It`s just not!
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A blue 50-gallon barrel with a body inside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sixteen-year-old Angela Allen thrown away like trash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A shallow grave from family property of Lloyd Jones.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The crime scene.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The contained crime scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 36-year-old Lloyd Jones.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jones is a convicted rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They met through a social networking site.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was great, great.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When and where was she murdered?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We clicked right off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was she put in the barrel?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don`t want to believe it!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when was the barrel buried underground?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: To Kelley Ray, KWHN. Kelley, what more do we know?
RAY: Well, right now, Nancy, Jones is in custody. He is in custody at the Sebastian County Detention Center on a $1 million bond. He`s awaiting a court date for his first appearance.
Meanwhile, investigators are combing through all the computer hard drives, everything that they confiscated from the house after that search warrant. They`re going through those now, trying to find some evidence.
And it`s going to be a real tough day for the Allen family and her friends tomorrow. They are going to bury Angela tomorrow morning at 10:00 o`clock Central time. And the family is going to visitation tonight, so they`re going to be going through a real tough time here over the next day or so and bring this case to somewhat of a finality for them, of course, until this goes to court down the road.
GRACE: To Lisa Lockwood, former police detective, author of "Undercover Angel." What are police doing right now to put this case together?
LISA LOCKWOOD, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE: Well, Jones has already admitted to being with the victim, so now what they`re trying to do is collect evidence, evidence from the computer hard drive, evidence from the actual crime scene to tie him into the day of finding their (ph) body. They want to put him there. So all of this evidence put together is going to help seal their case.
GRACE: Sue Moss, Peter Odom, Renee Rockwell. Renee, how will the state go about creating a death penalty case? And what would you do to defend it?
ROCKWELL: Well, Nancy, first of all, in a death penalty case, you can`t just have a homicide. There`s got to be homicide with an aggravating circumstance. In this case, probably a rape with a torture and then a homicide.
To defend it, I would like to show and challenge, first of all, any physical evidence coming in, especially a statement coming in, challenge all that. In the event there`s a conviction, pray for his life and not to absolutely just end this person`s life for this one event.
GRACE: Peter Odom, same question to you.
ODOM: Renee is quite correct. This case is going to boil down to the physical evidence that the police are now collecting. And if that physical evidence points to torture or some kind of violence that was perpetrated during the commission of a felony, then the state will have a basis to bring a death penalty case.
Of course, for the defense, it will be a question of trying to have a jury spare this man`s life. I feel that the state probably will go forward with a death penalty case, just given the heinous nature of these facts.
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(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was looking for his next potential victim.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don`t want to believe it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 16-year-old Angela Allen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too much.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s very unlike her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She vanished into thin air.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She always kept close contact with her family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is monitored all the time by the authorities.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Search by air, by water, by land.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They assumed she would return from her walk.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t want to accept it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His name is posted on the internet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Vibrant, loving, outgoing girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The community is aware of him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That barrel holds many clues.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every time you`d see her, she would just run up to you and hug you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lloyd Jones, a convicted rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We got a flyer that had his name on it and that he was a registered sex offender.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not an isolated case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I really miss her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arkansas police spent hours digging in a muddy grave.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anybody`s child. If it can happen to Angela, then it can happen to anybody`s child.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Sue Moss, bottom line, where`s the investigation headed now?
SUE MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & VICTIMS` ADVOCATE: This is headed to a capital case. He lured this 16-year-old to him by writing false e-mails and text messages to her. Then she ends up dead in a barrel buried two feet below his family farm. Aggravated circumstances? Yes.
GRACE: Ellie Jostad, when will we learn if the girl was sexually assaulted?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well Nancy, right now we just have the preliminary autopsy results in. The medical examiner did say she had trauma to her throat area, determined that cause of death was strangulation. Police are saying right now that they know of no evidence of sexual assault. However, they are still waiting for more information from the medical examiner, including toxicology tests. They think they could have those back as early as today.
GRACE: Ellie Jostad, what more can you tell me?
JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, another thing to keep in mind here is police say that Lloyd Jones did make an admission of guilt to his father. What they did is they set up a recording when his father went to visit him in jail.
According to police, when the father walked in and asked Lloyd Jones what was going on, Lloyd Jones said, did they find her? And then told his father, I panicked. I did it. Now, his defense attorneys are going to probably claim that "I did it" refers to his version of the story, that he just pushed her in the river and left her there.
However, the physical evidence, as we know it right now, doesn`t match his story, that she was in the water. The medical examiner said that there was no fluid in her lungs suggesting that she was never in the river at all.
GRACE: Peter Odom, final thought?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Even if, as Sue Moss says, they can show he actually committed this killing, that itself is not enough for the death penalty. There still has to be an aggravating circumstance and the police haven`t developed enough to show that yet. Let`s not be flipping any switches quite so quickly.
GRACE: Renee Rockwell, final thought?
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well Nancy, even if they do show the aggravating circumstance, that does not necessarily equate death. The jury could decide on life without parole, or even life.
GRACE: To Larry Fishelson, telecommunications expert, co-founder of Dynalic communications. Larry, they`re building a lot of their case based on phone texts. How do you do it? What does it mean? And how reliable is it?
LARRY FISHELSON, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Yes, Nancy, what they`re getting here is what we call tailor made forensics. You get a subpoena for the phone number for question from the mobile service provider. It`s 99 percent reliable if the text came from the phone number subpoena and it will tell all. There will be a ton of evidence and it`s all sitting out there to be had.
Now, the only issue is they can`t confirm that the actual person that owns the phone where the texts were made, but we know, based on the other evidence, that they put together they will see that Lloyd Jones, through the M buzzy chat rooms and other items, did make these texts. So this is tailor made forensics through technology.
GRACE: Larry Fishelson, even if her phone has been destroyed, can police recreate all those text messages and how?
FISHELSON: Yes, absolutely, Nancy. All of the text messages incoming, outgoing, even the deleted ones are stored as a log entry on the network to be seen. So the info is all out there on the server. Once they get the subpoena, they get it on the server, it just has to be downloadable into a readable file. And it`s there.
GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids foundation, weigh in Marc.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well Nancy, this crime might have been avoided altogether if we only knew who existed behind the facade of social networking profiles. And this is particularly true in the case of sexual predators. We might know who they are, we might know where they work and live. But online they are totally anonymous and have free reign to prey upon our children.
GRACE: Dr. Bethany, what does it mean that this guy, a 36-year-old man with two girlfriends at home already living with him, why is he on all, these multiple dating sites?
BETHANY MARSHALL, CLINICAL PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR, DEAL BREAKERS (via telephone): Well, you know what`s interesting? The only way to really crack a crime is to look at what we call the deviant arousal pattern of the perpetrator. Because when these guys get into the criminal justice system, they always lie and they always cover up their crimes. They always minimize. Look. What he`s saying is when he found out when he was making out with this girl and he found out he she was underage, he pushed her into the water but there`s no air in her lung so we know she did not die of drowning. We know he strangle d her.
So, when you get the perpetrator to confess to what we call the deviant arousal pattern, then you get a sense of what really happened. So this guy`s deviant arousal pattern is multiple sexual partners, conning, lying, manipulativeness, pedophilia and then looking for underage victims while he`s already living with another woman.
GRACE: Dr. Bethany, where will it end?
MARSHALL: Nancy, it`s not going to end. That`s what`s so sad. Behind this guy, there are hundreds of thousands of men behind him. And as technology changes, these pedophiles are going to have increasing access to child victims. So we have to continue this national dialogue and we have to become more sophisticated in our efforts to protect our children who have access to the internet.
GRACE: And to Colleen Allen, Angela`s adoptive mom. Colleen, tell me about Angela. What was she like in life?
COLLEEN ALLEN, ANGELA COLLEEN`S MOTHER (via telephone): Angela was a fun loving child. She was trusting. She loved children. She loved her school. She loved her church. She just loved -- she just loved life. She would find the most simplest thing - thing, she would get the simplest joy out of it. She just loved life. If she saw one of her friends that looked kind of down, she would run up to them and hug them and tell them that she loved them and that everything would be all right. And she`d get a smile out of her friend`s face.
She was -- her plans for her future was she wanted to become an RN and she said when she had accomplished that she would -- she told me she would probably go on even higher in the medical field. These were her plans, and this man took all this away from my baby.
GRACE: Larry Fischelson, isn`t it true you basically have to beat a cell phone to death to get rid of the evidence on the cell phone? But even so aren`t those text messages still preserved somewhere up in a cloud? And what is a cloud, Larry?
FISHELSON: The text messages are all preserved so it doesn`t even matter anymore if you have the physical phone to get the text messages. So everything -- every entry is stored in the cloud. The cloud is a term we use for all the data on Smart phones, computers that reside on servers at a remote location.
So what happens now is everything is stored out there in cyberspace remotely where years ago you had to have the physical computer or the physical phone to get that data. So the cloud has been huge now becoming a big help in prosecuting criminals and solving crimes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They met through a social networking site. They conversed back and forth.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They fear Angela could have been the victim of an internet predator who be-friend her on a social networking site.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 16-year-old Angela Allen went for a walk 7:30 p.m. from her grandmother`s house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She never came back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 36-year-old Lloyd Jones.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A convicted rapist.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A registered sex offender.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was very, very open and hobs about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Used this popular social networking site to gain the trust of 16-year-old Angela Allen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She vanished into thin air.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cadaver dogs indicated on something suspicious.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A body was found buried in a barrel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Blue plastic barrel.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A blue barrel stuffed with a body inside. That`s right, human remains.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was strangled to death.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s too much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now there`s no indication of any kind of sexual contact at all.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Deal Breakers," Bethany, weigh in.
MARSHALL: Well Nancy, I think the psycho psychosexual clues are going to tell us a great deal about this homicide and what happened. I mean, let`s look at the fact that this guy was on multiple web sites and he was showing shots of his penis. What we know about sexual sadists is that they have a rich and perverse fantasy life. That`s what we see about the fact that he was on the internet.
The fact that he had two girlfriends. We know about sociopaths, that they have multiple sexual partners and they`re very promiscuous. And then finally we know about sexual sadists that the mode of homicide is often strangulation and that`s what we`re suspecting in this case, that he strangled this poor young girl.
The reason sexual sadists like to strangle is that they want to look in the victim`s eyes as they`re committing homicide. The act of sadism and cruelty is what they use to enhance their sexual arousal. So as you look at all the psychosexual clues in this story, you begin to have a sense of what happened in this homicide.
GRACE: Dr. Lloyd, why?
DOCTOR BILL LLOYD, M.D., BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON, PATHOLOGIST (via Skype): Nancy, as Lloyd Jones said himself, he panicked. He had to move quickly to get rid of the body, and he chose to do it by placing the remains of this girl in a 55-gallon plastic drum, dragging the drum back to his brother`s property and then burying it under the muddy soil.
Now, there`s gaping holes in the time line Nancy and you always teach us about the time line. For example, when did the murder actually occur. If she disappeared on a Friday night but wasn`t found for a week, that means there were seven days in which many other things could have transpired. We don`t automatically know that the moment they met and he attacked her that she was killed and placed into the barrel. Oh, no, he could have taken her some place where horrible things happened for days.
What we do know, though, is that by placing her body into the barrel she had not been dead very long. After death the body begins to stiffen. So it was clear that Lloyd Jones had to dispose of the body quickly after the murder whenever it occurred. That means there`s plenty of work left behind for the policemen and the medical examiner.
There`s a lot of doubt about sexual assault in this case. It`s true that the police have said they have no evidence of sexual assault. But we haven`t gotten the final word yet from the medical examiner. Once that body was removed from the soil and they opened up that 55-gallon drum, there was time to perform a careful autopsy and examination of the remains. This includes collection of trace evidence, hairs, fibers, fluids, seminal fluid, and other physical features that would have indicated sexual assault. We`ll need to wait to hear from the medical examiner about what they found in this case.
GRACE: Dr. Bethany, what is a 36-year-old man doing texting a little girl like this?
MARSHALL: Nancy, it`s so sad. We know why he chose a little girl. He chose a little girl because this is the one person he could have power over. He posed as a teenager on a web site with this little girl, and he posed as a teenager because probably being with prepubescent girls, underage, more than five years age difference between him and the victim was a part of his deviant arousal pattern. Remember, this is the criteria for pedophilia, right? If the victim is prepubescent and if there is more than five years age difference between the perpetrator and the victim, then the perpetrator falls into the definition of pedophilia. So that is why he was texting with her.
GRACE: Straight out to Stacy Newman joining us. Stacey, what can you tell us?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, our savvy staff has combed over the internet and we have found reportedly multiple online profiles belonging to Lloyd Jones where he bragged about being a novel writer, how much he loves sex, writing his Harley, Nancy.
He was apparently living a fantasy life online. Reportedly one of Lloyd Jones` ex-girlfriends told cops he would often go to Starbucks where he would get online and do his social networking. Many people go to Starbucks, Nancy. You and I go to Starbucks.
But sitting right there on their laptop just feet away from us could be predators, Nancy, online pretending to be 11th graders, as this 36-year- old man was, preying on these young victims.
GRACE: Dr. Bethany, what does it mean when he`s on a dating site with his face and a picture of his penis?
MARSHALL: Nancy, as scary as this sounds, he actually thought he was turning women on. He thought he could turn people on by showing pictures of his erect penis. But again, this is the deviant arousal pattern. He probably has multiple perversions and one of the perversions is exhibitionism so he shows a picture of his penis to try to arouse the victims.
GRACE: Larry Fishelson, what can you add to this scenario?
FISHELSON: Well, there is software that can be used, as the gentleman mentioned before, internally that parents can track in their own homes their children. But the big problem right now out there is these social networking sites that are used mobility (ph) where children can go ahead and do it through their mobile phone which isn`t tracked at home. And these predators go on these sites because these M. Buzzy like M. Buzzy.com you can track the location of the person that you`re chatting with. So that is real scary and that really needs to be watched, drilled down to children, to not go on these sites.
GRACE: Lisa Lockwood, final thought?
LISA LOCKWOOD, FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE, AUTHOR, UNDERCOVER ANGEL: Social networking sites are a playground for sex predators, child sex abusers. I posed as a 14-year-old girl to catch these guys, to put them away. I know exactly how they operate. Their manipulation skills, their deceit skills. So parents, everybody just needs to be aware and sex offenders` outs there, just know that the police are working to get you.
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DOCTOR BENJAMIN LABROT, CNN HEROES: My name is Dr. Benjamin LaBrot. I don`t have a private medical practice. I don`t make a salary.
I started an organization called Floating Doctors to use a ship to bring health care into communities that have fallen through the cracks and been denied access to health care.
Floating doctors has a 76-foot, 100-ton ship that we refurbished from a completely (inaudible) and we use that to transport all of our supplies.
Since we set sail about 2 1/2 years ago, our mission has been continuous. We were two months in Haiti. We transferred to Honduras. And we`ve been in Panama for the last eight months.
In the last two years, we treated nearly 13,000 people in three countries.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ll find patients that have never seen a doctor before in their lives.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was about as good result on that ultrasound as we could hope.
LABROT: Typical community is usually living with no electricity, no running water, no sewage, essentially living with none of the basic requirements as we understand it.
We`ve built schools. We`ve done community projects. We`ve provided health education for thousands of patients. Floating doctors is an all volunteer organization. Nobody gets paid. All our medical supplies are donated. I had to postpone many aspects of my own personal life. I don`t have a home somewhere. I had to give up a lot. But I gained everything.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never think that your daughter will leave for her honeymoon and her husband will kill her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After a dream wedding and romantic honeymoon featuring a couple`s dive trip, it turns deadly. The state of Alabama brings the groom back to home turf for murder charges.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is suddenly acquitted by the judge who insists there`s just not enough evidence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shocking, abrupt ending in the so-called honeymoon murder trial.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He could really felt the air was sucked out of the courtroom at that time. And there were people with laughter and sighs of relief from one side, from Gabe Watson`s side. And then there were others as family members and friends of Gina Thomas Watson that held visibly shaken, crying, instantaneously.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His story of what happened that day changed 16 times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Initially it had been what appeared to be an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was looking up, had both her arms out, reached stretched up and like was almost looking at me, reaching her arms out to grab. So I kind of upended myself head first and I remember going down reaching and at this point I was thinking, you know, I`m going to grab a hold of her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hope that this decision by the judge gives closure to everyone, to the Thomas family, to the Watson family. It`s been a nightmare for Gabe and his family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There seems to be a lot more protection for the accused than there does consideration for the victim, which in this case was Gabe.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did everything. I lost her. I just pretty much lost her.
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GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember army staff sergeant Briand Williams, 25, Sparks Georgia, killed in Iraq. Bronze star, Purple Heart, Iraq campaign medal. Also served Afghanistan, loved football, wrestling, touched so many lives with military service. He died doing what he loved, serving his country.
Leaves behind parents Tonya and Fred, grandmother Patricia, sisters Kira, Tanisia, Tiana, daughter Brianna, sons Antonio, Carmelo born one month after his death.
Briand Williams, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. See you tomorrow night, live here in L.A., 8:00 sharp eastern. Until then, good night, friend
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