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Nancy Grace

Baby Ava Found Alive in Mexico

Aired April 04, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, upscale San Jose area. A 15-year-old cheerleader, loves music, loves to dance, an all- American girl set to leave for the school bus that morning. Mommy sees her 6:00 AM before Mommy goes to work.

Tonight, confirmed, Sierra never makes it to the bus stop or to school, the little cheerleader never seen again, cell phone found thrown in a nearby field less than a mile from her own home. Her belongings, Sierra`s favorite little Juicy couture bag, found abandoned, her favorite top we think she was wearing that morning neatly folded inside the bag. Police sources say the teen snatched sometime between mom leaving for work and Sierra getting on that school bus less than an hour later.

Bombshell tonight, new evidence surfacing that could crack the case. A search team finds an empty box for steel handcuffs, and disturbingly, used condoms, both found near the school bus stop. Tonight, where is missing cheerleader Sierra LaMar?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifteen-year-old Sierra LaMar...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone is holding her against her will.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does someone have her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The only trace of the 15-year-old...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... her cell phone and purse...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First LaMar`s cell phone was found on the side of the road. Then her purse discovered not far away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inside the bag was some of Sierra`s clothing, a pair of pants and a T-shirt neatly folded.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New clues are emerging in the case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two used condoms, as well as a small empty box labeled "handcuffs" were taken by investigators to the crime lab.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s the biggest thing I`ve heard so far.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every day, we just wonder if she`s OK!

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, upscale San Jose area. A 15-year-old cheerleader, loves music, loves to dance, literally the all-American girl, set to leave for the school bus that morning, never seen again.

Bombshell tonight, new evidence surfacing that could crack the case wide open. A search team finds an empty box for steel handcuffs, and disturbingly, used condoms, both found together near Sierra`s school bus stop.

But right now, just in -- I want to go straight out on news that a baby we have been looking for, baby Ava Enlow, age 2, has been found.

Straight out to Dave Mack, morning talk show host with WAAX. Dave, what can you tell me, baby Ava found?

DAVE MACK, TALK SHOW HOST, WAAX (via telephone): Nancy, it`s some of the most exciting news that we`ve been able to tell in a long time about a missing child.

Custody kidnappings happen all the time. But in this one, as you have covered since the very beginning, baby Ava went missing after her dad did not return her from a scheduled visit.

They had no idea where he had gone. They knew that he had cleaned out the house. He had cleaned out the bank accounts. And they found his truck at a bus depot. They had no other clues to go on.

But phoenix police, working with the U.S. Marshals and the Mexican authorities, tracked down baby Ava to the small town of Pueblo Nuevo, about three hours north of Mazatlan, and they were able to track down baby Ava and return her to her mother.

GRACE: Everybody, breaking news right now, baby Ava Enlow -- we told you all about baby Ava not long ago. Her mom goes to pick her up at a local coffee shop. Daddy never shows up with the baby. She goes to his house. They find the home cleaned out, partially moved out. No trace of the bio dad and his brand-new wife. They are gone, and so is the baby.

The big headline is baby Ava is alive. Baby Ava has been found, is back with her mother. You see Daddy there doing the perp walk -- Daddy with the baby, with the new wife in Mexico.

And joining me right now is baby Ava`s grandmother. This is her paternal grandmother. Melinda Barros is with us exclusively. Ms. Barros, I know that you`re concerned about your son tonight, but the big news is they`re both alive. Baby Ava is safe.

What can you tell us? Why did your son take baby Ava out of the country?

MELINDA BARROS, AVA`S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER (via telephone): Well, Nancy, first of all, let me set the story straight here. Her name is Ava Anderson. It`s not Enlow. And my son takes my granddaughter out of the country to protect her.

If I could -- if I could start out by asking your audience tonight if they could please help my son. If there`s an attorney out there that could help him to go through this nightmare for him, it would be much appreciated.

GRACE: OK, Ms. Barros, your son took the baby out of the country and was hiding in Mexico. Repeat...

BARROS: My son was not hiding.

GRACE: Why did your son take the -- oh, really? Because you told me when you were on my show not long ago that you had not heard from him at all. Nobody knew where he was, unless you knew where he was all along and you didn`t tell anybody. So is that true?

BARROS: That is absolutely correct, but my son was not trying to hide. That`s why his truck was sitting at the bus station. My son signed his name to the tickets. If he wanted to hide, he would not have left a bread crumb trail to where he was at.

GRACE: Well, why would you leave a trail? I don`t understand. Leaving a bread crumb trail -- you`re referring to the story of Hansel and Gretel, where the evil stepmother was trying to kill the baby.

All right, let`s rethink that comparison. You were on with me recently and you told me you did not know where your son was. Now, to me, if I don`t let my family know where I am, that means I`m hiding.

Let me rephrase it for you. Why did your son leave the country with baby Ava?

BARROS: My son, Brent Anderson, has worked the same job for 15 years. He has pursued his rights as a father through our judicial system. It was Brent who took his life`s savings for the last 15 years to hire an attorney so that he could follow our judicial system, and -- but he even had to borrow money from a family friend, Paul Erico (ph), so that Brent could follow the -- our system as far as he could until they wouldn`t help my son any longer to keep her safe. We even called CPS. CPS didn`t even help us. If my son...

GRACE: Well, safe from what, ma`am? Safe from what? And if your son is out borrowing money -- didn`t you tell me he quit his job? A sure-fire way to get money is to work. And I would suggest a second or third job if you need more money. So my question is, if he needed money, why did he quit his job?

Number two, you still haven`t told me why he left the country with his daughter. And most importantly, you say it was to keep baby Ava safe. Safe from what?

BARROS: OK. That is an exclusive that I am going to give to everybody as soon as an attorney is hired for my son. And again, if there`s a -- one of your audience members would like to step forth and help my son, I would be more than happy to give you the exclusive story about this woman and her family and the sick and demented things that they`ve going on in there.

And that`s the reason why that their relationship stopped in the first place. And Athena did not want my son to...

GRACE: Ms. Barros?

BARROS: Yes?

GRACE: I appreciate that because if my son were in trouble, I would do everything I could to get the best lawyer for him. But it seems to me that if you really believe your little baby granddaughter Ava is threatened or is in trouble, you wouldn`t be talking tonight about exchanging her safety for an exclusive interview.

Now, what is wrong with her surroundings? Why is she not safe? If she`s not safe, she needs to get out of that home right now.

BARROS: That`s exactly what I`m saying. That`s why we called CPS. How come our judicial system is not working for us? We`ve gone to the police. We`ve gone to the sheriff. We`ve gone to CPS.

GRACE: Well, for one reason, if you are as difficult to get the answer -- I mean, I`m pulling teeth here. If she`s not safe, then tell it. Let it be known. Let`s get the child safe. If your son felt he had to go and take her to Mexico...

BARROS: She is not safe. I`ve tried saying that. I said that to CPS. My son has said it to CPS. Nobody will step in and take over. They say, It`s not our jurisdiction, we`re not going to do this. How else are we supposed to do it if the judicial system is not working for us? Nobody is listening to what we`re saying. There are some serious issues going on.

GRACE: Well, maybe that`s because you`re not giving any answers, Ms. Barros. I mean, no offense. I want the baby safe, all right? But you`re not giving me answers. When you say the baby`s not safe, I say why, and you won`t tell me why so that you`re losing all your credibility.

BARROS: (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Yes!

BARROS: OK. Let`s try incest, OK? Let`s try incest. How about my granddaughter has been molested? How about we go there? How about we get some people on the show and let`s do some lie detector tests? It`s all there.

There are some serious issues going on in that household. I have got a lot to say. There is a lot to tell you about what has gone on and what makes us come to this conclusion that it is -- this is what is going on. My granddaughter does not need to be in that home...

GRACE: All right, Ms. Barros, let me get this straight. Are you saying that baby Ava has been the victim of child molestation while in the custody of her mother?

BARROS: Yes, ma`am, I am!

GRACE: Have you taken her to a doctor?

BARROS: Yes, we have.

GRACE: What did the doctor say?

BARROS: My son has not abused her.

GRACE: Repeat. What did the doctor say? I`m going to try one more time.

With me is baby Ava`s paternal grandmother. She says she fears for the child`s safety.

You say the child has been molested while in the custody of her mother and that you have taken her to the doctor. Repeat. What did the doctor tell you about baby Ava?

BARROS: Nancy, I was not at the doctor`s to know what was said, and then my son fled from the country. I do not know what the conversation was between him and the doctor. We`re trying to obtain...

GRACE: OK, so you`re on national TV saying the child`s been molested, it`s been taken to a doctor, but that`s the one fact you don`t know the answer to as to whether the doctor said she`s been molested?

BARROS: Brent has told me that she has been molested, and I don`t have the records to prove it. That`s all. They need -- I need to have -- Brent`s trying to...

GRACE: OK...

BARROS: And I can show the evidence.

GRACE: OK, to Dave Mack, morning talk show host, WAAX. Dave Mack, could you make any sense out of the paternal grandmother`s claims? There`s not a police report that we know of. And it`s my understanding that in that jurisdiction, if a doctor, a physician, a school teacher, anybody believes that there is evidence of molestation or abuse, it must be reported to police.

Is there a police report?

MACK: Nancy, what we just heard from her -- I`m biting my tongue over here listening to her forked tongue on your show again. A couple of weeks ago, you had her on there -- and you knew there were some difficulties between the paternal grandmother and the mother. We all understand that.

But what we do know is that when baby Ava came home from visiting her daddy that she had cuts and bruises and burn marks on her hands and that the biological mother took baby Ava to the doctor. And the doctor -- so they could photograph it, so they would have proof that that`s what happened when she was with the biological father.

You got the mother here trying to dangle some kind of an exclusive interview. She`s making accusations on national television and has nothing to back it up. The one thing we do know is that she`s not being truthful with you because before when she was on, she said absolutely not, she has no idea where he is. She has no idea where the baby is, only that the baby is fine, that he wouldn`t hurt the baby.

And now she says that, you know, she knew that he was in Mexico with the baby. If he`s so broke, why is he getting remarried on February the 11th and leaving 10 days later and taking his baby Ava, with his new wife, smuggling her across the border in a bus, then hiding out three hours from Mazatlan with his new wife`s family, where Ava has never been, apparently? I mean, this just stinks to high heaven!

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Now amidst claims of child molestation, the banner, the headline, is the 2-year-old baby girl found alive in Mexico.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Back home safely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Private reunion...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ava, of course, dropped off with her father.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother dropped Ava off with her dad.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The father, Brent Anderson...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say Ava`s father disobeyed court orders and disappeared with his daughter.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live, taking your calls. Just in, before we take you to that San Jose cheerleader missing, baby Ava, 2-year-old baby Ava Enlow has been found alive in Mexico, her biological father taking her across the U.S. border, we say hiding out in Mexico.

His mom with us tonight, Melinda Barros, saying not only was he not hiding -- although she was here telling me she didn`t know where he was -- but that he suspects the baby has been molested while in the care of her mother. We do not have a police report or any suggestion that is true.

We are taking your calls. Right now, unleash the lawyers, Michael Griffith, international criminal attorney who has handled cases in Mexico before, Eleanor Odom, prosecutor, death penalty-qualified, Mickey Sherman - - welcome back, Mickey -- defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" Karla Bell, defense attorney out of LA.

All right, Michael Griffith, what`s the deal in Mexico? Why did they not alert U.S. authorities that he was there? He was in a highly populated area. Surely, they knew. Also, what`s the deal? How do you cooperate with Mexican authorities in bringing the baby home, Michael?

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL ATTORNEY (via telephone): Well, first, Nancy, it sounds -- first of all, he`s in big trouble. You`ve got contempt of court. You`ve got possible kidnapping, illegal entry into a country.

I suspect, Nancy, that this was probably premeditated because he didn`t take a border crossing where there`s a TSA crossing. I suspect because the baby`s 2 years old that the baby was secreted either in a bag or under a coat. That`s why they took a bus.

As far as the Mexican authorities are concerned, we have a consular treaty with Mexico, where in cases, any kind of criminal exposure where a criminal would go across the border who are wanted, the Mexican authorities have to -- have to -- have to return them.

I`ve been in the prison in Mazatlan, by the way, down there. It`s a terrible prison. This`s guy probably lucky that he`s going to be sent back to the United States.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. We`re going to take you straight to San Jose and the missing cheerleader in just one moment. But right now, the big headline, baby Ava Enlow, just 2 years old, has been found safe and sound in Mexico across the U.S. border with her biological father.

Back to the lawyers, Griffith, Odom, Sherman, Bell. All right, Mickey Sherman, why did Michael Griffith say a possible kidnapping?

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t see it as a kidnapping. It`s a custodial interference. There was never any question that this was not a kidnapping for ransom or for sexual reasons.

And the headline "she`s found alive" I think is really misleading. I don`t think she was ever in danger there. Certainly, this is cause for trauma by the mother and all the other rest of the family, but this is not a situation where they expected to find a body or anything like that. The guy`s wrong. There`s no question about it. But why...

GRACE: Oh, really? You don`t think so? What about it, Marc Klaas?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, Nancy, I abhor...

GRACE: Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation, response to Mickey Sherman?

KLAAS: Nancy, I abhor abduction of any -- in any way, shape or form. This seems like it. But I also refuse to get engaged in any kind of a "he said, she said" situation. This is a matter much better left to the courts.

GRACE: Well, all I know is this, Eleanor Odom. Mom goes to pick up the baby, the baby`s not there. Mom goes to the bio dad`s home. It`s half cleared out. He`s been gone for days, is my understanding -- days -- without letting the mom know where he is, and turns up in Mexico, Eleanor. That`s a kidnapping.

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: It`s a kidnapping. And if you want to go with what Mickey Sherman says, it`s just interference with custody -- well, that`s a felony, Nancy, and he can be prosecuted on that, as well. And who knows what other charges there may be. This is something for the police to look at, for the prosecutor to look at and to come up with the correct charges.

GRACE: OK, Karla Bell, you know, regardless of what anybody says, you take one of my children to Mexico and don`t tell me where you are, I don`t care who you are, you`re going to jail, Karla Bell.

KARLA BELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, the first order of business is to -- for Anderson`s sake is for -- have his mother to not do any more interviews because one of the things here, if this is custodial interference, if he had good cause, which the mother seems to suggest, that`s one of the elements to defending him. And if the mother keeps trying this in the media, it`s going to hurt his case.

GRACE: OK, C.W. Jensen, retired Portland police captain, weigh in.

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, I think one thing that people forget is whether it`s a custodial interference or a kidnapping, that`s just what a state calls it. Different states have different laws, so -- but I have investigated custodial interferences, and I`m telling you, the mother or the father, whoever is involved in losing a child, is distraught.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us why you took your daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) more than happy (INAUDIBLE)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her 15-year-old daughter, Sierra, didn`t make it to school Friday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She would never want us to go through all this pain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Search teams have been probing the creeks and fields near the Lamar home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators are also checking up on 276 registered sex offenders in the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of information has come in. Lot of unconfirmed sightings of Sierra.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators are mining her laptop for recent contacts but Sierra is described as happy, at home in school.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sierra disappeared while on her way to catch a bus to go to Sobrato high school in Morgan Hill.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports that nothing has helped out in the case so far.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come home, baby. Please come home.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: The scary scenario with which we are dealing is that mommy sees Sierra, her little girl, there she is, Sierra Lamar, a 15-year-old cheerleader, loves school, all focused on her English paper she was working on. Mom leaves to go to work that morning. She never sees her daughter again. Sometime between the time mommy leaves to go to work and Sierra getting to that bus stop, she is kidnapped. That bus stop within walking distance of the home.

Tonight, is there a crack in the case in the search for the missing cheerleader? A box for steel handcuffs and used condoms found near the bus stop. The school bus stop. This is not a public bus stop. This is a school bus stop.

Straight out to Joe Gomez, senior investigative reporter, KTRH.

Joe, a lot of us caught the public school bus. A lot of us stood at that school bus stop waiting on the yellow bus to arrive. That`s what Sierra intended to do that morning. But, she never showed up. Mommy doesn`t find out until she gets home and finds out Sierra never made it to school.

She races to the school, finds out she never made it to the bus stop. She did not get on that yellow school bus that morning and tonight the crack in the case is used condoms and a box, an empty box that once contained steel handcuffs found near the bus stop.

Weigh in, Joe, what do you know?

JOE GOMEZ, SENIOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, KTRH: That`s right, Nancy. This is a terrifying new development. Not far from away from the bus top where Sierra possibly would have been kidnapped from, police have uncovered an ominous looking empty box with the words steel handcuffs written on it and near that box, Nancy, near that box two used condoms. Shocking new details here. It`s still unclear if this is related to missing Sierra but if it is, Nancy, my God, what would this mean?

GRACE: Joining me right now is a special guest, Kristi in California who actually has helped in the search for Sierra. Thank you for calling in. Describe what you did in the search for Sierra.

KRISTI, HELPED IN THE SEARCH FOR SIERRA, CALIFORNIA (via telephone): Well, we searched lots of areas up in the mountains. We searched along sides of bodies of water through really large brush and just, you know, looking for any possible clue that we could. We even went door-to-door on some of the searches asking neighbors what, you know if they suspected anybody or knew anybody who could do this. Have they noticed their neighbors, you know, acting differently, changing their appearance and what not.

But, I did have a question regarding, I guess, a legal question about the possibility of a legal ability to search every, you know, property out there. Do -- can they do that? Can they take dogs on the property with, you know, some kind of court order?

GRACE: As a matter of fact, Kristi in California, everyone, with me is one of the searchers who have literally gone door-to-door helping to find information about the missing cheerleader. As a matter of fact, the terrain, very rugged terrain between Morgan Hill and San Jose has been searched by cops. Hundreds of volunteers showing up like Kristi to search for the 15-year-old cheerleader and owners and caretakers of large parcels of land and ranches asked to inspect their land and call police if anything unusual has been found.

Unleash the lawyers on Kristi and her question. Number one, out to you, Mickey Sherman. Large parcel landowners and ranch owners have been asked to search their land and report to police.

Would police need a search warrant to go on land surrounding land parcels, ranches in the area, Mickey Sherman?

MICKEY SHERMAN, AUTHOR, HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE: I think they would. I think they would need probable cause to get a search warrant to do that. By the same token, it seems most of these people are giving their consent to the searches which waives the need or the necessity of a search warrant. But other than that, they would need a warrant.

GRACE: On the other hand, Eleanor Odom, I think Mickey Sherman is correct on the law, but, anything that is in plain view to an individual, to a lay person, is fair game for cops.

Let me give an analogy. If a cop walks by an unattended car and sees crack cocaine, they can immediately go into the car because you see evidence of a crime without a warrant. So anything that a lay person, a civilian, could see, a cop -- that`s open, fair game to a cop.

So regarding large tracts of land and to ranch owners anything that can be seen from the street or from an aerial view is fair game.

But Eleanor, is Mickey Sherman right, and I think he is, that to go beyond what you can see from the naked eye from the street or aerial, you have to have a search warrant for all these farms and ranches.

ELEANOR ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Nancy, you do. He is right. You have to have the search warrant unless it`s something that can be easily scene. However, if cops suspect something or the landowner says, hey, no, you`re going to have to have a search warrant, cops can station themselves there to make sure no one comes in and off the property while they are obtaining the search warrant so you can preserve the integrity of that potential scene. So, you have to be real careful about that.

GRACE: And Karla Bell, of course, the ranch owner, parcel owner could always give permission. You don`t have to have a search warrant if they give permission. And I can`t think of any reason these landowners would not give permission in the search, correct?

KARLA BELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s correct, Nancy. If you give consent, then the search is completely valid and evidence found during the search would be obtained correctly.

GRACE: To David Lohr, senior crime reporter with the "Huffington Post," let`s go back to the bombshell tonight what we think may be a break in the case.

A box and police sources are telling me it`s a new box, that it`s not been weathered. It hasn`t been sitting out in the rain, in the wind, and the elements. It`s a new cardboard box that contained steel handcuffs and used condoms found very close to the scene. What with about it, David Lohr?

DAVID LOHR, SENIOR CRIME REPORTER HUFFINGTON POST (via telephone): Yes, that`s correct, Nancy. Searchers found that box. It has a sticker right on the side of it that says stainless steel handcuffs. So, when I talked to local law enforcement out there they said this is the type of box that law enforcement handcuffs come in.

I said, well, do you think it`s related to the case? If we didn`t consider this to be possible evidence, we wouldn`t have taken it. So it`s something they`re looking into very seriously and it could be a major break in this case.

GRACE: And Matt Zarrell, we`ve learned a little bit more about the school bus stop, what do you know, Matt Zarrell?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy. There are some former FBI profiles who are suggesting that even though Sierra was alone at this bus stop typically, recently up until the likely abduction, months before that if she had other people going with her at the bus stop, there could have been the perp - could have been watching. And as soon as it`s window down, there were three people at the about bus stop too and then Sierra was alone at the bus stop, that could have made her a very vulnerable target.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sierra`s disappearance is totally out of character.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was concerned and I called one of her school friends. She said that she didn`t see Sierra that day. I also looked in her room. Saw her phone charger in her room. She always brings her phone charger in.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s better.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I gave her a big hug.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sierra Lamar is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: High school cheerleader --

MARLENE LAMAR, MOTHER OF SIERRA LAMAR: The 7:11 and tried to catch the bus, usually leave the house at 7:15 and catches the bus at 7:25. And we don`t know what happened after that. I do know that I received an e- mail at 6:00 from Sobrada high school stating that she was not in attendance, but I got suspicious because I usually text her before I leave for work to see if she`s OK because she`ll be home by usually 4:00, 4:15, and I just check in with her and tried multiple times, four times.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Right now we are joined by Marlene Lamar. This is Sierra`s mother. Miss Lamar, thank you for being with us.

LAMAR (via telephone): You`re welcome. I`m glad to be present to give this interview.

GRACE: Everyone, the tip line 408-808-4331. With me is Sierra`s mother.

Miss Lamar, what are police telling you tonight?

LAMAR: Just that, you know, I`m aware of the box and the contents that was presented earlier on your show. I`m also aware they`re in the lab as far as trying to reach, you know, any conclusive evidence. I haven`t been notified as far as there being any, you know, link to the case directly.

GRACE: With me is Sierra`s mother, Marlene Lamar.

Miss Lamar, police sources are saying the condoms discovered near the school bus stop were, in fact, used. Have police asked you for any item from the home from which they could get Sierra`s DNA, such as her toothbrush or hair brush?

Yes. The investigators came with people who retrieve DNA from, you know, the immediate family members.

GRACE: I`m sure that they took -- got your DNA, did they, Miss Lamar?

LAMAR: Yes, they did.

GRACE: And from that they could get mitochondrial DNA match which only comes through your mother`s genetic makeup. Did they take a toothbrush or hair brush or anything belonging to Sierra?

LAMAR: Yes, yes, they took the hair from her hair brush and her toothbrush.

GRACE: To Dr. Gwenn O`Keeffe, physician and founder and CEO of pediatricsnow.com, joining us out of the Boston jurisdiction. Dr. O`Keeffe, thanks for being with us.

Dr. O`Keeffe, if these condoms were connected to the case you would expect to find not only the perpetrator`s DNA through semen on one side of the condom but possibly Sierra`s DNA on the other side of the condom, yes/no?

DOCTOR GWENN O`KEEFFE, PHYSICIAN, FOUNDER, CEO, PEDIATRICSNOW.COM: YES, that`s correct, Nancy. They`d find both two different - two distinct DNAs. They would find Sierra`s as well as the perpetrators.

GRACE: Dr. O`Keeffe, when you are looking at a used condom such as the one we believe to have been found near Sierra`s bus stop, how much of the victim`s DNA would be on the outside of the condom? How much do you need to make a positive DNA match?

O`KEEFFE: You know, it turns out you don`t need that much, Nancy, just -- they call it touch DNA, you know. If you just touch something, just a little bit of skin cells is really enough. So if she was -- had any contact with that condom that would be enough to extract some DNA and make a match.

GRACE: Back to Sierra`s mother, Marlene Lamar, is with us and taking your calls tonight.

Miss Lamar, I know that she either tweeted or texted a picture of herself that morning right around the time that you left the home. I also know that one of her shirts was found neatly folded up inside of her juicy couture bag. You told me before it was like a pocketbook, but she kind of used it as a book bag, she would put everything in it.

LAMAR: That`s correct.

GRACE: Do you know what shirt it was that was found in the bag?

LAMAR: Yes, I do, but I don`t want to say what it was exactly. Because I don`t want to interfere with the investigation.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, our sources tell us it`s the same shirt she tweeted or texted that morning, is that correct, Matt Zarrell?

ZARRELL: What police are saying the shirt in the photo is very similar and resembles the shirt that was found in the purse, but, Nancy, police do not know when that photo was taken. The photo could have been taken a week or two weeks earlier. They don`t know if she took the photo that morning and then left to go to the school bus and was then abducted.

GRACE: OK. Let`s see the shot that she texted or tweeted, Matt Zarrell.

ZARRELL: Posted on her twitter account the morning of her disappearance.

GRACE: OK. Let`s see that photo and could you please take down all of our writing over it so I can look at the picture, please, Dana, quickly. There you go. What am I seeing? I`m seeing a dark black shirt, it appears to me, it also looks like she may have on a jacket or maybe a hoodie over that.

Matt, what`s the description on that? Do you know, Matt Zarrell, the description on that shirt?

ZARRELL: Yes. We believe the logo you are seeing on that photo is a San Jose Sharks logo that you are seeing on your screen now similar of a sweatshirt.

GRACE: Yes. Now that you`re telling me that, I see it. Yes, now that you`re telling me that, you`re absolutely right. I see it. I see it now.

To Brad Barker, kidnapping expert and president of Halo Corporation, joining us out of San Diego.

Brad, I want to thank you for being with us. What is your analysis of this, Brad Barker?

BRAD BARKER, KIDNAPPING EXPERT, PRESIDENT, HALO CORPORATION: Sure. My question for Miss Lamar would be, is it typical behavior for Sierra to be packing a bag with extra clothing and that sort of thing for cheerleading practice for changing clothes, that sort of thing? That might indicate behavioral recognition pattern that might be a deviation from the norm which could be a clue as well.

LAMAR: Well, she would --

GRACE: Miss Lamar?

LAMAR: Yes. She would borrow things frequently from her friends, and her friends would borrow her clothes as well. And my daughter, as far as packing a suitcase, was usually packed in a neat fashion.

BARKER: Thank you very much.

GRACE: Yes. You know, Mr. Barker, all that was found was her juicy couture bag, which was a pocketbook for her. She would sometimes put other things in it. But it was not a bag such as an overnight bag. It was not a suitcase. It was not a backpack. And clothing was not really pack. There was one shirt in there neatly folded up. But nothing to suggest she had packed to leave.

To Dr. Leslie Seppinni, clinical psychologist and author, weigh in, Leslie.

DOCTOR LESLIE SEPPINNI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you know, I think the evidence is very telling because it tells us the story of what happened. You know, the evidence has been strewn around. That`s very important when you see that. So, it tells us, a, she was taken, b, she might have been raped on the way, and, c, this person may have had her actually change shirts while in the car with him.

GRACE: Everyone, we are taking your calls.

Is there a break in the case of miss in missing teen cheer leader, Sierra Lamar?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 15-year-old Sierra Lamar has not been seen since she left her house in incorporated Morgan Hills for this school bus stop at this intersection.

LAMAR: Leaves the house at 7:15 and catches the bus at 7:25.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She never boarded the bus.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president, founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Police sources telling us tonight, they believe it may be an acquaintance kidnap. Why?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, because the trail for Sierra ends at the end of the driveway. And it`s thought, and I agree with this, that she quite possibly could have gotten into a car with somebody that she felt comfortable getting into a car with. And if one is aware of the circumstances or growing where she lives, it`s a very remote place. If you don`t have business being in that neighborhood, you`re absolutely not going to be in that neighborhood.

GRACE: Eleanor Odom, Mickey Sherman, Karla Bell. What about it, Mickey?

SHERMAN: One thing that I heard mentioned though, it bothers me just a bit is the police are looking at all the registered sex offenders. I`m not saying they shouldn`t do that. But sometimes the police become myopic and think that`s where the answer is going to lies. I just hope they are keeping all the possible doors of interrogation and investigation open and not just looking at people who have been lucky, have a yellow card for life and they`re targets.

GRACE: Eleanor.

ODOM: Well, I agree with Mickey. But you have to start somewhere. And looking at registered sex offender is good place to start and that might lead you somewhere else.

GRACE: Karla Bell.

BELL: I would agree that search starting with sex offenders is a good place to start, particularly since her father apparently was a registered sex offender as well. However, I would say about the condoms in this case seem to -- I have issue with them.

GRACE: Wait. Let me point out, he lived 45 minutes away and has been cooperating with the investigation. I don`t want to just slow out the bio dad is a registered sex offender.

CW Jensen?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: This is a pyramid. You have this huge base and you have to keep going up and getting rid of things you can corroborate. You still have to have a multifaceted investigation.

GRACE: Everyone, tip line 408-808-4431.

A box of steel heavies and used condom was found near the school bus stop where this little girl was headed this morning the last time she was seen alive in the space of her mom leaving for work and she goes to the bus stop, she disappears.

Let`s stop and remember, corporate Matthew Phillips, 27, Jasper, Georgia, killed Afghanistan, two bronze stars, Purple Heart, combat infantryman. Badge, loved fishing, traveling. His baby nephew named in his honor.

Leaves behind father, Michael, stepmother Ellen, Sister Mary, Brothers Dan and Michael, Widow, Eve. Matthew Phillips, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us.

Everyone, the carnival of love foundation, fifth annual fund-raiser to benefit children with autism and special needs, April 27, 9:00 p.m., Astoria, New York. For info and tickets, go to carnivaloflove.org.

I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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