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The Legendary Mike Wallace has Died; Tulsa Shooting Rampage Possible Caused by Race

Aired April 08, 2012 - 22:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Tulsa shooting rampage. A painful anniversary and a possible motive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody that committed these crimes was very upset with black people.

LEMON: Remembering Mike Wallace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No doubt it's the biggest story.

LEMON: That familiar sound and face. He called himself nosey and insistent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don on camera two.

LEMON: CNN after dark.

HAL UHRIG, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S ATTORNEY: The reason that Trayvon Martin is dead is not because he was black or because he wore a hoodie, he decided to smack somebody in the face and break their nose.

LEMON: The case that has just about everyone seeing color, black, white and every shade in between. When it comes to murder in America, does color really matter?

The news you need to know right now on CNN.

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LEMON: Good evening, everyone. I'm Don Lemon.

For 48 hours, people in Tulsa, Oklahoma, were afraid to leave their own homes. Someone was driving through neighborhoods just shooting people. Three people died. Two others ended up in the hospital and early this morning Tulsa police tracked down two men and arrested them.

Tonight, CNN's Susan Candiotti is reporting the biggest question now is why did this happen?

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Less than 24 hours after a plea for tips, Tulsa police arrested two suspects in the shootings of five people, all black, at four different locations over a span of a few hours starting just after 1:00 a.m. Saturday. Three of the victims died.

CHIEF CHUCK JORDAN, TULSA POLICE: It sickens me. It angers me.

CANDIOTTI: 19-year-old Jake England and 32 yearly Alvin Watts were charged with murder and shooting with intent to kill. Police found England's burned pickup truck here according to arrest papers and found the two men hiding in a house nearby. Were the victims targeted because of their race?

JAMES FINCH, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI'S OKLAHOMA CITY FIELD OFFICE: It is very premature to talk about hate crimes. We have yet to analyze all the information, to understand the motivations.

CANDIOTTI: Among the possible motives, England's father was gunned down two years ago last week by a black man who was never prosecuted. England's relatives tell CNN say her girlfriend, Sharon, shot and killed herself in front of him and his baby in January.

Police believe this Facebook page belongs to England. On it he posted these disturbing words. Today is two years that my dad has been gone. Shot but he used an expletive and the "n" word. It's hard not to go got off. Between that and Sharon I'm gone in my head.

At the suspect's home searched by police, we tried to find out more.

Maybe you can tell us more about him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family's been through enough. Leave them alone!

CANDIOTTI: As we moved out of the street, we took cover behind our car and remained there as we watched their car speed down the road.

OK. Well, they drove their vehicle right up to our car. Clearly tried to intimidate us and then took off down the road. A neighbor who says she knows England's family calls the suspect a nice young man.

What do you think will happen to Jake now?

SYNITA BOWERS, SUSPECT'S NEIGHBOR: If they can prove he murdered them, I hope he gets the death penalty.

CANDIOTTI: Arrests are a relief to a community whose nerves are badly rattled.

REV. WARREN BLAKNEY SR., TULSA NAACP PRESIDENT: I think that our community will breathe easier knowing it's been brought to a conclusion.

CANDIOTTI: Police credit the quick arrest less than two days after the shootings to a flood of tips. Trying to determine the motivation behind the rampage will take longer.

Susan Candiotti, CNN, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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LEMON: It takes courage and charisma to be a television reporter, and Mike Wallace had an abundance of both. The "60 minutes" correspondent died Saturday at the age of 93. In about ten minutes we'll speak with former CNN chairman Tom Johnson about Wallace, but first our Sandra Endo looks at the life of a man whose fearlessness helped him become a legend.

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MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES CORRESPONDENT: I'm Mike Wallace.

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He was known for his hard-hitting journalistic style and aggressive questioning.

WALLACE: How many blacks are there on your top campaign stuff, governor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I couldn't honestly answer you.

ENDO: But decades before millions of TV viewers watched him on CBS News, Mike Wallace already had a colorful career.

He was born Myron Lyon Wallace in Brookline, Massachusetts in 1918. After graduating from the University of Michigan, he started his career in radio. His work as a radio host landed him spots in TV, as an actor in a police drama, as a program host and even in commercials.

WALLACE: Get golden Fluffo. That's some apple pie. Are you the least bit afraid of what might happen?

ENDO: But his love of news made him drop that type of news in 1936 when CBS news hired him as a correspondent.

WALLACE: I'm -- I'm wagging my finger at the president of China.

ENDO: His feisty brazen style made him a good fit for the network's new magazine show, "60 minutes," which debuted in 1968. Wallace didn't cower to American or world leaders. He said this to Ayatollah Khamenei during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979.

WALLACE: President Sadat of Egypt, a devoutly religious man, a Muslim, says that what you are doing now is, quote, "a disgrace to Islam," and he calls you, imam, forgive me, his words, not mine, "a lunatic."

ENDO: Media critics say Wallace's attack dog style was relentless.

HOWARD KURTZ, CNN'S "RELIABLE SOURCES": Sometimes he went too far. He pioneered the ambush interview which has fallen out of favor. He used hidden camera investigations and so he really taught generations of younger journalists about how to go get that story.

ENDO: In 2006 he took on a smaller role on "60 minutes," and by 2008 had triple bypass surgery and retired from public life.

WALLACE: If you had made your living in the early days of black and white television as I did, you would know at sometimes it was like the early days of flying.

ENDO: But his relationship with CBS viewers spanned decades, and he'll have an everlasting impact on the field of journalism. Mike Wallace was 93.

Sandra Endo, CNN, Washington.

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LEMON: Former chairman and CEO of CNN Tom Johnson was a close friend of Mike Wallace. Wait until you hear their connection, a group that they formed called the blues brothers to save their lives, next.

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LEMON: More now on the death of Mike Wallace. Jon Klein knows all about Mike Wallace's grit and determination. He worked with him as a producer and later oversaw "60 minutes" as an executive vice president at CBS news. He also served as president of CNN from 2004 to 2010. John shared with me one of his best Mike Wallace memories.

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JON KLEIN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CBS NEWS: Mike Wallace was the most boyish 70 or 80-year-old or now 90-year-old that you'd ever want to meet. He had such a twinkle in his eye. I remember flying up from Washington one time on the shuttle, and we got out in New York back home, and we're walking along, and he spots up ahead, Barbara Walters.

He turns it me, put his finger over his lips, and he creeps up behind her and grabs her from behind, and she jumped up ready to slug whoever it was and then burst out laughing. And this was Mike's spirit. I mean, he was always having such a good time.

I remember my very first day as the 36-year-old executive vice president, newly installed as the theoretical boss overseeing "60 Minutes." I say theoretical because who is going to be Mike Wallace's boss or what do you expect, but he and Don Hewitt, the founder of "60 Minutes" had a knock-down drag-out party in the screening room while I was there. And I knew this was going to happen, they wanted me to adjudicate it. And who did I want to anger more, Don or Mike Wallace?

And I actually decided in favor of Don. As I walked out, I'm thinking, great. I really got off on the wrong side with Mike Wallace. He walked out having been life I had for five or ten minutes, looks at me, winks and smiles.

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LEMON: Jon Klein, the former CEO of CNN. And Wallace's life off air was very different. Beginning in the 1980s, he battled depression and the fight almost caused him his life when he tried to committed suicide. Wallace shared his depression with a group known as blues brothers.

And former CNN chairman, Tom Johnson, was a member of that group and also suffered from depression.

So, Tom, thank you for joining us. How are you doing in?

TOM JOHNSON, FORMER CNN PRESIDENT: Don, thank you very much for having me.

LEMON: Good. How are you going to remember your friends?

JOHNSON: I remember him as the guy who saved my life and he hopes he saved the lives of many of others.

LEMON: Why do you say that?

JOHNSON: Well, he battled depression as did I. There were several of us at Martha's Vineyard each summer. Art Buchwald, Mike Wallace, and William Styron. All four of us who were able to find the right diagnosis, get the right treatment and deal successfully with depression. We went public because we wanted people out there to know that they, too, can get the right diagnosis and right treatment that they can make it, but at the very bottom, all four of us, all four, thought of checking out.

LEMON: Good. Do you think that that affected his work, his depression at all? If so, how did it?

JOHNSON: I think we all felt that it probably did affect our work in terms of slowing us down, but I don't think I ever saw a single weak sample of Mike's work on air as being affected by it. In fact, if anything, I think he worked even harder to make certain that there was no diminution in the quality of his work.

LEMON: What are you going to remember? Everyone is sharing stories and at "60 minutes" they said tell me a story. What story will you remember about Mike Wallace?

JOHNSON: I'll never forget the line that he gave me which is that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. That is to say it's the one decision if you make it in life you can never reconsider. It also, that it's really a temporary issue, and it was my favorite thing just thinking about Mike, not the great television journalist, which he was and the tremendous competitive mind when I was here at CNN, but somebody who had another side to him, and I think there are many thousands of people alive because he did go public and did demonstrate that we could cope with this mysterious illness.

LEMON: And we said suffered. I said suffered when I hate what I do. Isn't depression something that you deal with your entire lives, it's manageable but you deal with it your entire life, right?

JOHNSON: I think most of us do, particularly those with a genetic pre-disposition, perhaps someone who have situations that really have chemical changes. But I always think upon morning in a depressive life, some people think with that one environment.

LEMON: He was what you saw - when you saw him behind the scenes and what you saw on camera, this tough guy, they call him, you know, one of the number of pit bulls on "60 minutes," but he was - everyone says, off camera though, he may have been abrasive, but it was in a fun way but he was a sweet guy.

JOHNSON: He was a sweet guy. He had a great sense of humor. I always thought he could talk people in going very easily with the charm and so many of them regretted it after they finished the interview. But, I always thought not so much of, Don, the attack journalist but as the watchdog.

He was the watchdog, and we need that type of journalist in this society to watch over all of the rights that people have, to watch what's going on in corporate America, what's going on in our government. He personified the very best of what journalism is all about.

LEMON: Tom Johnson, thank you so much for helping us remember Mike Wallace and paying tribute to him. Thank you.

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LEMON: We'll be right back.

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LEMON: This Easter Sunday, by the way, we're mixing religion and politics, and it may not be appropriate dinner table talk, but what about on the campaign trail?

Earlier I talked about it with political comedian Dean Obeidallah and CNN contributor Will Cain.

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LEMON: This morning on "Face the Nation" Bob Schieffer talked about mixing religion and politics with catholic cardinal Timothy Dolan. Take a look.

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BOB SCHIEFFER, HOST, FACE THE NATION: Do you think there's too much religion in politics today?

TIMOTHY DOLAN, CATHOLIC CARDINAL: No, I don't think so at all. I think politics, just like business, just like education, just like arts, just like culture only benefits when -- when religion, when more or less, when faith has a place there. I think the American -- the public square in the United States is always enriched whenever people approach it when they are inspired by their -- their deepest held convictions.

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LEMON: Dean, do you think most Americans feel that way? This is more than the separation of church and state here that we're talking about?

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, POLITICAL COMEDIAN: Well, I think -- I don't think most people have a problem with faith or a candidate with morals and convictions. That actually is a good thing. I think the difference is when it no longer maybe influences your decisions but your decisions, your policy decisions are based on scripture. Like Rick Santorum saying the bible and our laws must comport. That went behind any kind of accepted view of politics and religion. There's no longer a separation of church and state, using the same things honestly, that the Taliban would say, that religious scripture and the laws of that state must agree.

So, I think that went too far. But, of course, people of morals and ethics are what religion is about and he or she a better person, that's a great elected official for us to have.

LEMON: But you said -- I've heard you say this before. It's not just about religion. It's about the right religion.

OBEIDALLAH: That's different.

LEMON: How did you phrase that?

OBEIDALLAH: That's absolutely right. I think for some of the people, I'm going to be blunt some of the leaders in the evangelical community in the South, that it's not about having faith. It's not about having morals. But faith to them is their faith. You must pray like them. You must think like them. You must kneel like they do, and if you don't, then their faith doesn't matter.

Like Mitt Romney, I think there's no doubt, people would think he is a good person, a good moral man, a loyal husband, you know, as business practices, maybe there's some issues there, but never unscrupulous or like embezzler like that and I'm not mocking Romney yet he's attacked for his faith.

You know, Reverend Jeffers, one of the leaders of the evangelical movement said that Mormonism is a cult. And that's the most the demeaning thing that saying it's species or has no delivery at all as religion.

And so, you hear that from some people and they are saying is it doesn't matter if he's a good guy, good more or less, a person you trust, he's not our faith so we can't trust them. And that's what's wrong to me. Same thing with Muslims, you know, the attack on Obama, the whisper campaign continues, Mississippi, Alabama recent polls, 50 percent think he's Muslim.

LEMON: Will? WILL CAIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, you know, I think we've talked about this in the past, Don. I think that something that people describes as fundamental to who they are at the core of who they are seen president's use this quote over and over. It informs every decision I make, and we're talking about religion here.

I think something that is that fundamental, someone asking to be put into a leadership position deserves scrutiny, I think it deserves judgment. Do I think it should be the single driving factor on how you cast your vote? No, but I think we've stepped entirely too far into political correctness if we assumed that religion shouldn't be part of that judgment process.

LEMON: OK. Just for a quickly here, Will first. Do you think religious organizations should push issues or support candidates?

CAIN: I think religious -- yes, yes, the answer is yes. I mean, obviously religious organizations have issues that are a deep part of their ideology and if they see candidates supporting those ideas, I think there's nothing wrong with supporting those candidates.

LEMON: Dean?

OBEIDALLAH: I hate to agree with Will, but yes, I do agree with him. And I think absolutely, of course, freedom of speech, why should it be limited to a religious group not having that same right?

LEMON: All right. So Dean, you brought up Romney and "Saturday Night Live" took digs at Romney last night. Watch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That afternoon before the start of Passover, Governor Romney appeared in a meeting of the United Jewish Appeal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Barack --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't believe you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. OK.

LEMON: That was just one of them. Is it looking like seriously that he's the pro everything candidate, first Dean and then Will?

OBEIDALLAH: I think his campaign slogan should be me, too. I mean, that's what it's about. Whatever you are, I am. I agree with you. It is the hardest thing for Romney, and I will be serious. When the comedians, John Stewart, Colbert and "Saturday Night Live," begin their comedic take on a candidate it takes traction. That's where Americans learn a lot about candidates.

And this is the issue. This is the way he will be defines in this campaign. That is the me, too guy. Whatever you believe in, I do. And could be policy and it might not be. I mean, he really could get into little issues like, you know, my wife has two Cadillacs. It was in Michigan down the south I like grits, you know I'm a big game hunter, doesn't own a gun. So, there are issues out there and Will is going to disagree on this. LEMON: Yes, because he is shaking his head. Go ahead.

CAIN: Well, I think we can overdo this very quickly. Romney has given people plenty of ammunition to just his own principles. This capable of saying whatever you want him to say to get your vote. But I think we can overdo very, very quickly. And you're looking at candidates and politicians who are very principled, I think you have to say a man who gives away 10 percent of his income tithes, it rain or shine, every year, and gives away two years of his life to a purpose that he sees greater than his wealth or anything else, you'll have a hard time convincing me that's not a principled human being.

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LEMON: The city of Tulsa was terrorized. People wondered who will be next to be shot by a driving gunman. Someone is driving around in the city. Two people are now under arrest and a social media posting could help investigate as determine a motive. That straight ahead.

But first, it was the best first quarter for the S&P 500 in 14 years, but is now the time to buy stocks or have you missed your chance?

CNN's chief business correspondent, Ali Velshi takes a look in this week's "Mastering Your Money."

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ALI VELSHI, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Jim Awad is managing director as Zaphyr Management, old friend of our show, Kim Forrest, vice president and senior portfolio analyst at Ft. Pit capital.

Jim, you say the easy money is gone.

JIM AWAD, MANAGING DIRECTOR, ZAPHYR MANAGEMENT: Well, the big aster the last six months, the big gains, mathematically it's going to be very tough to replicate that. But that doesn't mean that we're going to go down the line. You could have any sort of the correction after a 30 percent gain. So, don't come in now expecting another 30 percent over the next six months. That's what I was saying.

VELSHI: These gains don't come without some risk. Kim, you say that all the data points to the kind of volatility that we saw last year, and I mean I like to remind our viewers this. While everybody thinks they want gains, what most people sleep better with is slower steadier gains without the kind of volatility we go through any year like last year. Tell me your thoughts.

KIM FORREST, FORT PITT CAPITAL GROUP: Well, there are a couple of factors that really haven't been solved between this year and last year. First and foremost is Europe. Europe is still not solved. They keep kicking the can down the road. Greece is taken care of. But guess what, Spain and Italy are still out there with very large debts and a very unsteady banking system that the EU has to step up and fix, and we don't believe that the actions that they have taken lately have really, you know, nailed what's fundamentally wrong over there.

So, that's going to eventually blow up and make investors nervous. And then, there's the big misunderstanding about what's happening in China. It's very difficult to get good data out of China, and we're all depending on China having a soft landing. I don't know that we can count on that, but we're always looking over to China to see what they are doing, and that affects this global stock market of ours.

VELSHI: Great conversation, thank you.

I'm Ali Velshi with this week's "Mastering Your Money."

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LEMON: Time now for your week ahead cliff notes. The big stories we and you will be talking about. Let's start tonight in Washington.

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DAN LOTHIAN, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I'm Dan Lothian at White House. On Friday the president heads overseas to attend the summit of the America in Cartagena, Columbia. Drugs, energy, Cuba and trade are expected to be on the agenda.

Before departing the president will host some 30,000 mostly kids here at the White House for the annual Easter egg roll and then he'll sit down with meetings with the president of Brazil.

And then, finally on Tuesday, the president will fly for the day to Florida to promote the so-called Buffet Rule. It's a proposal that calls for those make more than $1 million to pay more in taxes.

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM CORRESPONDENT: I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Well, first-quarter earnings season will be the focus this week. Aluminum giant Alcoa will kick things off on Tuesday with their earnings. Google, JPMorgan Chase, and Wells Fargo also follow with their results.

Overall, many analysts have been downgrading their expectations and with good reason, gas prices have been high, Europe's debt crisis still a concern and growth in China is all slowing. This could put a strain on some U.S. companies. We'll keep an eye for it all week for you on CNN money.

A.J. HAMMER, HLN HOST, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT: I'm "Showbiz Tonight's" A.J. Hammer. Here's what we are watching this week. Wilson Phillips joins me on Monday. I'll speak with Carney Wilson about her second weight loss surgery and I'll ask Chynna Phillips all about Alec Baldwin's twitter tirade and will "hunger games" beat "titanic 3D" at the box office? Catch "Showbiz Tonight" exclusively weeknights, 11:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific on HLN.

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LEMON: In Tulsa, Oklahoma, two men suspected of killing three people in random shootings have been arrested. 19-year-old Jacob England and 32-year-old Alvin Watts face first degree murder charges. Two other shooting victims survived. A recent facebook posting from Jacob England may hint to a possible motive Thursday marked the two- year anniversary of his father's death. Using a racial slur, he says his dad was killed by an African-American. All the victims in the shootings were black.

Bubba Watson collected his first major title today winning the 76th masters tournament in Augusta, Georgia. Watson defeated South African Louis Oosthuizen on the second hole of the sudden death playoff. The 33-year-old Watson started the final round in fourth place by shot a 68 to force the playoff. Oosthuizen - well, he bogged the second playoff hole giving Watson the green jacket.

One of the greatest television journalism has ever seen, a greatest at television journalism has ever seen died. Mike Wallace passed away peacefully Saturday night in New Cannon, Connecticut where he had spent the past few years. Wallace made his name with his fearless interview style during a career that's been four decades on "60 minutes." Mike Wallace was 93 years old.

And earlier on CNN, Lesley Stahl told our Fredricka Whitfield that Wallace was more than just a colleague. He impacted her life personally.

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LESLEY STAHL, 60 MINUTES CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): He was the first -- I think this is right. It's certainly right in my memory, he was the first famous person to admit he had depression, and he went forward and came out in a time when no one did. There was still a stigma to it, and that's the toughest man in America said I have depression, and -- and allowed his name to be associated with the disease widely. At that point, he was so courageous and helped so many people. It's another - it's yet another thing he did that was spectacular. He was spectacular.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST, NEWSROOM: And he is spectacular. And being part of that "60 Minutes" family, how closely many of you worked at the same time you were on the road a lot, you're like ships passing in the night, did you ever detect in him that he was dealing with this depression long before he revealed it to everyone?

STAHL: Well, I wasn't at "60 Minutes" yet when he revealed it. I hadn't gotten there, so I really can't answer that question. I can tell you that my own husband had depression, and he was in a deeply personal way. I mean, he basically saved my husband's life. I'm not kidding.

WHITFIELD: How did he do that?

STAHL: Because I told Mike that my husband had depression and wouldn't see a doctor, and Mike just forced it. He forced it. So, I mean, he was wonderful.

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LEMON: Leslie Stahl on Mike Wallace.

When it comes to murder in America, does race really matter? You may be surprised what the crime stat shows on who is killing who.

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LEMON: It has been 42 days since Trayvon Martin was shot and killed of the admitted shooting, a neighborhood watch volunteer.

You know, it's adding up to more than a month of outrage. Protests and weeks of media coverage, but people are asking what about black-on-black crime? What about how often black people kill white people and what about brown-on-brown crime? Why don't you talk about all that?

Well, earlier I assembled a panel and shared some sobering crime statistics and then we did talk about all that and more. Listen.

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LEMON: I want to -- want you guys to look at this, some stats on black-on-black crime, these are from the department of justice. These are the figures in 2005. The murder victim rate was six times higher for black community compared from the white community. And in that same year, when comparing rates where people committing murder, seven times higher for blacks than whites. This is crucial.

From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black murder victims were murdered by black people, and as we said, they are usually murdered. People are usually murdered by people of their own race, including white people. It's like 84 percent for white people.

My guests are remarkable people, and I'm looking to them for their unique insight. Buck Davis is a diversity expert. Welcome back. Goldie Taylor, renowned cultural critic. You know Goldie, here as much as I am.

You've heard all those discussions, Goldie. So, you have heard about - as I call them, but what about for us, you and I talked about that last week. You were doing all this coverage. The media is doing all this coverage on the Trayvon Martin case. But what about black on black crime? What about white on white crime or white on black, black on white? That's not the Trayvon Martin story. Those were legitimate stories and now, we are going to talk about. What do you make - what do you garner from the numbers and what you saw on our block?

GOLDIE TAYLOR, POLITICAL ANALYST, SOCIAL CRITIC: Well, first of all, the numbers are very personal to me. You know, black on black crime hit our house in a very specific way. There isn't a man in our family older than 28 years old. And so, when you look towards HIV, sickle cell, stroke, heart disease, and murder, those men aren't there by their own choice but because someone or something took them away.

My father and brother were both murdered. All of those crimes are unsolved. And so, that's very specific to me. But what I make of the coverage is all of these are very relevant, very important stories to cover. You've got so much real estate, you know, on a news cast. But if you want to find black on black crime, if you want o find white on white crime, tune in at 5:00, 6:00 and 10:00 in our local news every night because it gets covered. It gets covered every day.

What isn't getting, you know, the covered site if it deserves are the number, the sheer multitude of protests of people coming together around this country to talk about what's happening in their communities.

It happened in my home town at East St. Louis. It happened in Philadelphia. There are dozens upon dozens of marches that happen in Chicago every year that, you know, people are really fighting to combat these issues in a real significant way.

LEMON: And you were shaking your head when you said heavy, because you watch the news and all you said are the mug shots. And it used to be the perp walk that they about a lot (INAUDIBLE).

BUCK DAVIS, DIVERSITY EXPERT: Yes. I'm really excited about the attention that white people have placed on black on black crime. And then last week I never heard people bring up black on black crime to this extent. And I think it's a really important issue. As you said, most murders in this country occur interracially. Black people are killing black folk, white people are killing white people. Rich black people aren't killing rich black people.

LEMON: Right.

DAVIS: Rich white people are killing rich white people. Its people who are struggling in this country, they are having such a problem, people who are on drugs who have the issue. I feel like in the last couple of week, that white folk have tossed in this black on black notion to divert the true issue of racism in this country. I feel like this conversation is so hard for us to have. It is filled with such poison in this country that we have created, that it makes the conversation almost unbearable. To the point where if I can say you people are harder on your people then our people are harder on your people, it removes me from the equation.

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LEMON: Buck Davis and Goldie Taylor, thank you very much.

North Korea and a long range rocket. There's fear tonight that it can be a prelude to war. A report from the launch site straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BEAK) LEMON: Big stories around the world now. Pope Benedict XVI celebrated mass in front of tens of thousands of worshippers who packed St. Peter's square today. In his annual Easter message, the pontiff appealed for peace in Africa and the Middle East. He focused on Syria in particular and called for an immediate end to the violence.

Judging from this video that may not happen any time soon, a ceasefire is supposed to take effect on Tuesday. That's when the Syrian government has agreed to withdraw from major cities, but in the last week there's been a dramatic spike in violence, and on Sunday, Damascus said it won't commit to the agreement unless so-called armed terror groups turned in their weapons.

The rules of war are changing in Afghanistan. Washington and Kabul have reached a key agreement giving Afghan authorities veto power over controversial night raids and puts American special forces in training and support roles instead of the lead. The U.S. raids are critical for capturing terrorists, but they have been a major source of tension between the two countries.

A desperate search operation is taking place in the remote area of the Himalayas, but hopes for finding any survivors are fading fast. One hundred and thirty nine people were at a military outpost yesterday when it was buried under an avalanche of rock and snow. Most of the victims are Pakistani soldiers. The area has been a point of conflict between India and Pakistan for decades.

North Korea has the international community on edge tonight. Pyongyang has moved a long-range rocket into position triggering fears of a ballistic missile test. North Korea insists it just wants to put a satellite into orbit. It even invited foreign journalists to take a look at its top secret launch site and our Stan Grant was there.

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STAN GRANT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is indeed a rare opportunity to get this close to an actual satellite launch site, especially year in North Korea. This area has been kept very much under wraps away from the eyes of the world. But today, of course, this has changed. You can see the media around here, the number of people who have been invited here to tour this site. This North Korea says is part of its transparency, is to say that this is not a hostile act. There is nothing sinister about this. They say that this satellite launch is for scientific purposes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): This is a spiritual moment, as the North Korean people struggle to open the gate to a prosperous and powerful future.

GRANT: Launch is timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the birth of the father of the country, Kim Il Sung leaving Pyongyang today towards people who are on the streets early on the Sunday morning, many preparing for the celebration. So, much of this couldn't help it felt choreographed even down to people who are cleaning the same windows at their apartments at the same time. Well, this is about as far as we're going to get today and it's pretty close. We are standing here right at the base of the launch site. That's the rocket you can see behind me stands about 30 meters tall.

Just traveling around here today you really get a sense of what this means to the North Korean people. Speaking to our guide he was saying that this is about North Korean pride, about their right to launch a satellite, and also refuting any claims that this is not in fact a satellite launch, but in fact a covert missile operation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I am very disturbed.

GRANT: He can deny that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Look for yourselves with your own eyes, then you can judge whether it's a ballistic missile or whether it's a launch of a -- to show that that's why we've -- we've invited to you this launch site.

GRANT: Despite North Korea's assurances the skepticism, of course, is going to remain particularly from the United States, always wary about the intentions of an unpredictable country.

Stan Grant, CNN. (INAUDIBLE), North Korea.

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LEMON: Great report, Stan Grant. Thank you for that.

Your neighborhood drug store, a target of a drug enforcement agency, we will tell you why after the break.

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LEMON: Is the neighborhood drug store actually an illicit drug supplier? There are no charges but Federal investigators crunched the numbers and found Walgreens and some other chain drug stores have suspiciously high pain killer sales.

CNN's Mary Snow has more on how the black market demand for prescription drugs has impacting the entire industry.

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MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Citing a major jump in sales of painkillers, the drug enforcement agency moved in on Walgreens, removing records and other documents from six pharmacies in Florida and a distribution center looking for suspicious sales of oxycodone. In warrant, the DEA states said that in just the first two months of 2012, there are 53 Walgreens pharmacies listed in the agency's top 100 purchasers of oxycodone. That's half of them in Florida. That's compared to zero Walgreens pharmacies being on that list in 2009.

A spokesman for the drug store chain said in a statement, "We are working with and cooperating with the DEA on this matter." It comes two months after the DEA in Florida moved in on two CVS store and a cardinal health distributor. Cardinal health is challenging the action. CVS said it was disappointed but cooperating.

MARK TROUVILLE, DEA SPECIAL AGENT N CHARGE: I think you can look from the DEA and state and local partners a continued and vigorous effort in this regard. As pill mills are no longer dispensing, a lot of our focus is on pharmacies now.

SNOW: The DEA says it looks for red flags, things like unusually large orders in an effort to prevent prescription painkillers from being sold illegally. The national association of chain drug stores says it has zero tolerance for prescription drugs being diverted to the black market. But it's also working with law enforcement on another problem. The rise in prescription drug abuse has led to pharmacies around the country being robbed. In New York's Suffolk County, four people were killed in a pharmacy robbery last June.

LIEUTENANT ROBERT DONOHUE, COMMANDING OFFICER, COMMUNITY OUTREACH: Unfortunately, it's a very serious problem in the fact that the price on the black market of prescription drugs, mainly painkillers is so high, and that they can actually buy heroin at 25 percent less than prescription drugs. And we are seeing that. We are seeing people that are very desperate and that are willing to rob pharmacies.

SNOW: Pharmacies are beefing up security in their stores with extra surveillance. Some are even arming themselves for protection.

Mary Snow, CNN, New York.

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LEMON: All right. Check it out. This is not an eye glass commercial. You're looking at science fiction come to life. And straight ahead we'll tell you why these glasses are making people so happy.

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LEMON: Thousands of people around the world may be sleeping tonight without a pillow. Why is that? Here you go.

Its 15 minutes of pure fun. The international pillow fight day attracted thousands of people in more than 100 cities. This battle was in Washington, D.C., the one that you're looking at. Other pillow fights were held in UK, in Germany and Brazil and at least 24 other countries.

All right. So they may look like glasses, but I'm told technically they are eye wear, OK, tomato, tomato. Either way, they are making a spectacle of themselves.

Just take it from tech guru, Katie Linendoll.

KATIE LINENDOLL, TECH EXPERT: Concept behind these Google released photos and video of the glasses but also two days ago, Google co-founder Sergey Brin was actually spotted wearing the glasses and this comes under the Google labs. Google has a secret laboratory, doesn't get any more high tech than that, where they took future forward ideas, they try to bring them down to scale.

Under that umbrella, is that self-driving car, also the elevator of the space and now the augmented reality glasses. And this kind of stole the tech buzz this week. You see what they look like. They actually no lenses inside there, but what you're looking at, there's a small video camera on the one side. That is taking in information in real time, and then there's a little glass rectangle. That's where the alerts are going to pop up.

Now, the alerts that are popping up in that little rectangle. You can check the weather, you can play music. You can video chat with somebody. You can you get information just on the building right in front of you so talk about again future forward technologies. It doesn't get any better than this.

And I spoke to Google this week and I'm like asking them a thousand questions. How is this going to be powered? And they said, you know, we don't know if it's going to be it a stand-alone product or if is also powered off of android. It will be probably be the smart thing for Google to do. But it's still in a very conceptual phase and obviously in a prototype phase. So, it will probably be a while until we see these pop on market but a very interesting concept.

LEMON: What I find interesting here is the periphery because that little thing is like right on the right side there. It will probably get smaller as time gets on, all technology, right, gets tinier and tinier.

But, I'm wondering what it does like for a distraction, like if you are trying to walk - like walking in traffic like that. I mean, you know what I'm talking about?

LINENDOLL: Yes. I totally know what you're talking about. You know, one of the pecks of this would be the turn-by-turn directions that you could get popping up in your peripheral. Google only released this concept photo and videos to get user feedback and in less than 48 hours, there were over 500 comments on their Google plus page. So, they actually want to hear what people think. And a lot of people are saying yes, this is way over the top but for people that are excited about technology, could this be the next best thing.

LEMON: Can you wear glasses under them?

LINENDOLL: That's a good question. So, it was interesting today, you know one individual is tweeting you and I back and forth, they said I'm blind in one eye, I still need to wear my glasses. These aren't glasses. Again, there are no lenses inside there. So, when I get speak to Google, they did say quote, "they are experimenting with a lot of different designs and technological capabilities that could accommodate different vision requirements."

So, they are thinking about glasses wearers. They are also thinking of people that have problems focusing. And just for now, they said it's only the Google X-team that has allowed the prototype.

And Don, I just want to state too. A lot of people are actually in the rumor mill saying these will be out by the end of the year and they are guessing around a price tag of $200 to $600 which is actually is more, is less expensive than I thought, so it will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out.

LEMON: Wow, what was the character that had the glasses, that was a Laver Burton's character had glasses that looked -- jordy, someone's a trekked in my ear. He supposed to said it right there.

I've got to ask you this just quickly. Aren't they migraine- inducing, has that been a criticism?

LINENDOLL: This is not something I don't think you would keep on all day. I mean, how annoying would it be to have alerts popping up on that stuff. And if you had ads popping up in there in as well, I mean, talk about jumping the shark.

So, I don't know, like I think it's a very interesting dialogue and it's interesting to see that these comments on the Google plus page already, do I think it could cause a migraine? Yes, I think it annoying the heck out of somebody.

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LEMON: I'll stick to head lines right now.

Tulsa, Oklahoma, two men accused of killing three people has been arrested. 19-year-old Jacob England, 33-year-old Alvin Watts now face first degree murder charges. The two other shooting victims survived. They are still in the hospital now, a recent facebook posting from Jacob England may hint at a motive. Thursday marked the two-year anniversary of his father's death. Using a racial slur, he says his dad was killed by an African-American. All the victims in these shootings were black.

Journalism has lost a legend. Mike Wallace died Saturday night. He was 93 years old. CBS News says he died peacefully in New Cannon, Connecticut where he spent the last few years. Wallace became known as a fearless and aggressive reporter during the last four decades at "60 minutes."

Despite the chilly weather hundreds of people came out to celebrate Easter at sunrise service at Arlington national cemetery. This army chorus has been provided music for the service in the theater. More than 14,000 veterans are buried at Arlington.

And the first family also celebrated Easter today. They started their day with a stroll to St. John's Episcopal church. The president wished everyone a happy Easter as he went by and during the service the Obama's received communion along with other worshippers in the congregation.

Happy Easter to everyone. Happy Passover as well. Hope you had a great weekend. Appreciate you joining us this weekend. Thanks for watching. Good night and have a great week. See you back here next weekend.