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Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance; Cops Turn Focus on Missing Child`s Male Cousin; Baby Girl Goes Missing from Public Beach

Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed, 8:00 AM she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night.

The home searched by K9s and cadaver dogs. Then after a third search at the home, police move on to a landfill, then back to seize fabric and pillows from a family car. An FBI shrink in the home to analyze it as cops look over the floorplan of Isa`s bedroom and her parents`. Police searching nearby lakes with underwater cameras. Isa`s parents yet to appear at the search command center to help volunteers.

A white male in his 20s caught standing over the bed of three little girls, 2:00 AM, assaulting one of them, just miles from Isa`s home. Is this guy a known peeping Tom?

And a stunning reveal from Tucson police who say Isa`s parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency," divulging cops pleading with mom and dad to do more.

Bombshell tonight. A source now claims police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, who once lived in the home, cops holding back leads, quote, "too sensitive to release." In the last hours, cleaning crews pull up in the family`s driveway. Why? Tonight where is 6-year-old Isabel?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Six-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Open window in her room --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was not in her room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A race against the clock from minute one.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel`s window is right on the other side of this wall. It`s about 40, 50 feet from the street.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the house right next door to Isabel`s house.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still saying suspicious disappearance, possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to go to the next most likely thing, which would be a predator.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: We don`t want the focus to be taken off Isabel by us being in front of the cameras --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it is beneficial for the family to step out.

BECKY CELIS: -- or by the media.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know what else I can do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We will do anything for her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re reluctant in speaking with the media. Quote, "I don`t get the feeling that they have the sense of urgency."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s really up to them.


GRACE: And tonight, Long Beach, Mass., a 2-year-old toddler girl heads to the beach with Mommy and the 4-year-old sister. Mommy runs after a bouncing ball and comes back to find 2-year-old Caleigh gone.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A 2-and-a-half-year-old girl disappeared while she was at the beach with her family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When the ball they were playing with bounced over a wall, Caleigh`s mom went to get the ball, and when she turned back around, Caleigh was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looked back and observed that Caleigh Harrison as no longer standing with her other daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are still no signs of little Caleigh Harrison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have nothing. Nothing. We have nothing, no piece of clothing, nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Divers searching the rocky areas in the waters off Rockport all day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we`ve been following the path that buoy has taken.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police have focused their search on the water, sending K9s to the rocks where the tide rolls in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They haven`t found anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re still not ruling out foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have to assume that foul play is a potential.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caleigh Harrison disappeared in a matter of minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a shame that she`s still out there somewhere.


GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A source now claiming police looking closely at Isabel`s male cousin, cops holding back leads, quote, "too sensitive to release." In the last hours, cleaning crews pull up in the family driveway. Tonight, where is 6-year-old Isabel?

Straight out to Paul Birmingham, KNST. Paul, what is the latest? And what can you tell me about this male cousin to Isa?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, KNST (via telephone): Right. This is what we`re hearing from our sources here in Tucson, that police are scrutinizing this individual. He does have a criminal background, so he has had contact with police before. At this point, it is unclear exactly what sorts of questions they might be asking him or exactly what that scrutiny could consist of.

GRACE: So Paul Birmingham, I want to go back to this cousin. Is he actually cooperating with police and answering questions?

BIRMINGHAM: Now, police have not said specifically about this individual, but they have said repeatedly that the family is being cooperative. We can assume that that would include this cousin, at this point. It is unclear exactly if they`ve spoken with him, and if they have, what sorts of questions they may have asked.

GRACE: Right now, out to the Celis family home. Standing by, our producer on the scene, Greg Overzat. Greg, what can you tell me about this male cousin? Why is he being scrutinized at this hour? And why do I see The Maids behind you?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about this cousin, it`s unclear why specifically he is being scrutinized by police, according to our source. He does have a criminal past. Now, that past only includes charges involving DUI, drug possession, those kind of things, nothing involving -- anything involving a child, sex assault, et cetera.

Now, in terms of this cleaning crew, they have descended upon the home in the last hours. They pulled up in the driveway. It was a single car. A woman got out. She rang the doorbell at the house, and nobody answered. She seemed to be making a phone call, I would assume to the Celis family.

And then another SUV pulled up on the street, a man wearing a purple polo. He got out of the car, walked up the driveway, spoke with the woman, opened the garage for her. They both went inside. Moments later, they both came back outside, and he got into his car and she got into hers.

Now, I spoke with both of them, and this man in the purple shirt, he would not identify himself specifically, but he did say he`s an extended family member. What his exact relation is is still unclear. But he just said he is here to do whatever he can, and that must include opening the house to this cleaning woman.

Now, she claims that she has not been hired by the family at this time. However, she did go inside the house, check out the condition, and just assessed the entire property.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls and live in Tucson. Very quickly, to Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner, joining me out of Philly.

If fingerprints were taken in the home, I can tell you, Dr. Manion, it`s a huge mess because very dark powder is used. A grainy powder is used. It`s brushed all over everything with a big brush very much like this. It`s brushed all over everything, then kind of blown very gently away. And then you lift from that latent fingerprints, if they exist. It leaves behind a horrible mess, and it`s not on police to clean up after themselves, Manion.

DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER (via telephone): That`s correct, that`s correct. So it`s not surprising then they want to have a cleaning crew come in and get that place back in livable condition. And I`m sure they were fingerprinting everywhere.

There was some discussion, wasn`t there, that the person may have walked out the front door that had gone into the bedroom?

GRACE: Yes. Absolutely. And you can take a look right there at the window, the dark smudges all over, some of that very, very likely from fingerprinting. So you can imagine what the inside looks.

Unleash the lawyers, Anne Bremner, Kirby Clements. What a lot of people are wondering, Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of Seattle, is why the family hasn`t already moved back in because if you were expecting, say, a ransom call or the child to come home or who knows what, wouldn`t you want to be there?

In fact, you know, Anne, that parents whose children have gone missing 10, 20 years ago, even if they move, they somehow manage to keep that same home phone number, if by some crazy chance the child or a perp tries to call that number.

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, absolutely, Nancy. But you know, we`ve talked about so many times people react in so many different ways. And we always want to start with the parents, the parents, the parents. But here, maybe they don`t want to be back in there where she disappeared from. It`s terrible for them. There`s media. There`s people from your show out front. We love Greg, but he`s out there at the house.

So those are all, you know, certain situations for them. They may want to be elsewhere. It doesn`t mean that they`re guilty of something.

GRACE: OK, Kirby Clements, you and I both have been on a lot of crime scenes, including kidnap and murder crime scenes. Describe what it probably looks like in there after it`s been processed by police.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s an absolute mess in there. As you indicated, there`s going to be the fingerprint powder all over the place. They probably moved furniture. If they took any samples from the floor, you`re going to have all manner of stuff there. They brought in chemicals, powder, people. I mean, who knows what else is in there, you know, drink cups.

I mean, as you said, the police are not clean when they leave -- your house is not left in the same condition it was in once they leave your house after searching it. It`s totally destroyed, I would imagine.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Jean, what can you tell me about police, quote, "closely looking at" a male relative? And you know, I heard Overzat pooh-pooh the record. Let`s see the record again, Liz, if you could put that up for me.

But when you take a look at this -- true, I`m not seeing anything to do with violent crime, any crimes on children, nothing of that nature. But when you`ve got marijuana distribution, all right, that doesn`t mean you got a roach in your cigarette ashtray in your car, all right?

When you have a distribution charge, that is either selling or having a big amount of marijuana. That`s nothing to pooh-pooh, Jean.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": No. And I think -- let`s look at the most recent, 2011. What I`m seeing in the records is I see two guilty pleas for DUIs, one in Tucson and one in Douglas, Arizona. You know where Douglas, Arizona, is, Nancy? That`s right on the border with Mexico.

And also in 2011, there was also a charge of obtaining a controlled substance. That was dismissed, but it was a charge. And that`s just a few months ago, Nancy, in 2011. Another guilty plea was dismissed, so that`s three DUIs in 2011, one dismissed, two guilty pleas.

GRACE: And the marijuana distribution -- that was the "no contest" plea --


GRACE: -- a nolo contendere, where you don`t say you`re guilty, you don`t say you`re innocent, but you get sentenced for it, which in the eyes of the law is essentially a guilty plea, sometimes called an Alford (ph) plea.

Out to the lines. Patrick in Florida. Hi, Patrick. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wanted to know, do you think that the parents are really trying to hide something?

GRACE: Well, you know, Patrick, I don`t know if they`re trying to, quote, "hide something." And we saw, for instance, in the Danielle Van Dam murder case -- that little girl taken out of her home by a neighbor in the middle of the night when everyone was at home. Perpetrator got the California death penalty sentence.

Those parents were hiding something completely different. They were accused of being swingers and using marijuana. That`s what they were hiding. It had nothing to do with Danielle`s disappearance.

So maybe there`s something like that that`s going on, not swinging or marijuana, but some reason they don`t want to approach the cameras that has nothing to do with Isabel`s disappearance. But I will tell you, Patrick, I find it highly unusual they`re not speaking out.

Marc Klaas, we are hearing the parents in talks for a national interview. What do you know?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, I don`t know a lot, but I understand that they are talking to the "Today" show. And my belief is that absolutely, they want to do that, but they certainly don`t want to be dismissive of their local media.

We have to remember that these cases are always local and that the solution to this case is most likely going to be within a mile or two of Isabel`s home.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve a new twist now in the search for Isabel Celis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another neighborhood, another bedroom, another stranger in the house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Caucasian man in his 20s who broke into a home, into a bedroom --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The girls reportedly just 6, 8 and 10 years old.

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: The person or persons who have Isabel, tell us your demands.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Possible entry point into Isabel`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A window was open and a screen was off.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I discovered that she was missing and I looked over the wall, it was wide open.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is plausible that someone entered that house, a stranger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She does report hearing some voices, and we`re looking into that.

BECKY CELIS: We don`t want the focus to be taken off Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of breaking developments in this story.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Despite countless tips and a recanvas of the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Little Isabel, 6 years old and abducted.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Break in the case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the search for Isabel Celis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are looking for a suspect who broke into a home, assaulted three young sisters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Searching for a predator, a Caucasian man in his 20s.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He assaulted one of them before running out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The girls reportedly just 6, 8 and 10 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This really rings near and dear and close to our hearts and it troubles all of us here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are we looking for some sort of a predator?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have not named an official suspect or person of interest.

SERGIO CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe that it is a good idea to speak with the media. We passed along that information to them. We passed along those requests. We`ve offered our services in facilitating those interview requests. But we said all along that we think that it`s important to keep the investigation in the forefront, to keep tips coming in, so we made that known.

Whether they choose to do that or not, I`ve said all along that`s entirely up to them. And we`ve offered our services and we`re waiting to hear from them.


GRACE: We are live in Tucson. We learned tonight that police scrutinizing an adult male cousin, an adult male cousin that has referred to himself as Isabel`s uncle in the past. Also, we learned the parents set to do a taped interview with a national morning show, possibly the "Today" show. That`s what we`re hearing right now.

All of this as we further investigate a white male found standing over the bed of three little girls, all in one bedroom, only 10 miles away from Isabel`s window.

Straight out to you, Alexis Tereszcuk. This guy -- let`s see his composite -- there you go -- apparently has struck a cord in the neighborhood, another neighbor now revealing this is the guy he observed looking in a woman`s window as she was sleeping.

It creeped him out so much, they sold their home, Alexis.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You`re exactly right. A gentleman who lived just two houses away from this latest incident said he saw a man one night leaning against the window, looking at his wife. He called the police. The man fled. They never caught him, but it terrified them so much, that he was going to come back, that they sold the house.

Now, the interesting thing is, is they actually put in extensive security in the home. They put a lot of cameras in. And he said that he doesn`t live there anymore, but he`s hopeful that it`s still working and perhaps this security footage could have caught the man who has now committed this second crime.

GRACE: And Kirby Clements, you and I prosecuted a lot of serious felonies together. But remember, we always talked about the perviest ones were the peeping Toms.

CLEMENTS: Oh, absolutely. I mean, those guys -- those guys are just -- they`re a sick breed. There`s something strange (INAUDIBLE) in their head. They`re just not right people. They`re just not right.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searching for little Isabel Celis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Still no sign of a 6-year-old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We understand that some folks might feel frustration.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long days of uncertainty, stress and worrying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The news that a stranger broke into a little girl`s grandparents` home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are looking for a suspect who broke into a home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An intense investigation, searching for a predator.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Might be related to the disappearance of 6-year- old Isabel Celis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About a half hour`s drive from the home where Isabel Celis vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel`s window is right on the other side of this wall. It`s about 40, 50 feet from the street.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the house right next door to Isabel`s house.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still saying suspicious disappearance, possible abduction.


GRACE: We are live in Tucson, as more revelations emerge overnight in the search for 6-year-old Isabel Celis. Take a look at the family home. There you see a cleaning crew has just pulled up in the driveway.

To Dr. Leslie Seppinni, clinical psychologist and author. Dr. Leslie, what do you make of a professional cleaning service coming into the home, and yet the parents have stayed out of the home since Isabel went missing? They`ve been allowed back in the home now for I think over a week, but have not returned to live there anyway.

LESLIE SEPPINNI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you know, I find it interesting, particularly because they`re not choosing to live there, that they would send a cleaning crew because it`s still a crime scene. And as long as she`s gone -- it`s been 11 days, so I think 11 days is not enough time to then go back and have it cleaned out because it`s still -- the police still may want to come back and take a look.

GRACE: Everyone, you are seeing what we are seeing. Out to you, Greg Overzat. Explain what -- is the crew hired to clean up after police or what?

OVERZAT: Well, Nancy, according to a source, the home was in major upheaval after all of these searches done by the police department inside the home. According to the source, the mom, Becky Celis -- she has turned down family offers to come and help tidy things and just help put things back into order, instead opting to have a professional cleaning crew come in and assess the situation and see what they can do instead.

GRACE: To Aaron Brehove, body language expert. Aaron, you read so much into nonverbal communications. Aside from the issue of possible fingerprinting dust left behind, psychologically, this could mean so much to the family, to clean the home, not cleaning it themselves, but have it cleaned after Isabel`s disappearance.

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Absolutely. This could be a lot of things. When you see all the destruction that happened there, what they can be reading into that and what they can see could be very emotional and very traumatic.

GRACE: To Detective Lieutenant Steve Rogers. Is there a chance evidence will be harmed, evidence that police possibly have missed?

DET. LT. STEVEN ROGERS, NUTLEY, NJ, POLICE DEPARTMENT: You know, Nancy, I`m a little puzzled myself. Once that cleaning crew comes in, they`re going to use chemical agents to clean that house. And yes, there could be a lot of significant evidence that`s gone. I would hope that the police cleared them to clean that house before they went and did that.


GRACE: We are hearing from a source that police now scrutinized an adult male cousin. What does it mean? We don`t know yet, but we do know that, and that is the major implication in this case.

Back to you, Marc Klaas, the fact that police have only looked specifically at sex offenders that are three miles away, and have not extended beyond that, is also significant. They think they`re going to find the perp within those three miles. That`s what that says, loud and clear.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, it does say that, Nancy. And I think that the idea that they`re looking at this male cousin is also significant. And let`s remember that just because somebody has been arrested and prosecuted for something does not by any means mean that that`s the only crime that they have committed.

And the kidnapping files historically are full of creepy uncles, creepy predatory uncles who have done extreme harm and even murdered their own nieces and nephews and cousins.

GRACE: And here`s the deal, Marc Klaas. Everyone is saying well, that`s just a drug arrest. I get it. But when you get an arrest and you get a conviction, you might as well dig in because you are going to be looked at more harshly, more carefully than other people. It`s just that simple. It`s a fundamental investigation. That doesn`t mean the guy is guilty? It means that right now he`s in the crosshairs. He`s being looked at.

Another issue, Marc Klaas, what do you make of the parents now agreeing to do only a taped interview. They`re not going to go live, they`re not going to take live questions, it`s going to be a taped scenario from what we are understanding.

KLAAS: Well, I don`t know. Pre-approving questions and getting editorial control isn`t really what this is about. This is about them making the case for their daughter, getting people invested in their daughter, and they certainly can`t be ignoring the local press, because you know what, when the national press is finished with this, and if this case is still not resolved, the only people they will have to turn to are the local press and if they`ve been dismissive of the local press in the past, it might be very difficult for them to get the interviews that will be necessary to keep the story alive in the future.

GRACE: Let me put up, Jean Casarez and Alexis Tereszcuk, and we`ll bring in Paul Birmingham on this.

You know what, doing a taped interview is a far, far cry from live. All right. Explain, Jean Casarez. You`ve done plenty of both.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": It`s called editing. Things can be edited out. Things can be -- we`re not going to talk about this. Now a journalist should still be able to answer -- ask the question, and if they refuse to answer it, that should be on the tape, but you never know what conditions will be asserted and what allowances will be made so that questions won`t be asked that they don`t want asked.

GRACE: Alexis, explain the difference between a taped interview and a live interview.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Well, in a live interview, you can`t go back and change what you say. I`ve had this happen sometimes somebody gives an emotion that they think that I feel as a reporter is a wonderful emotion to make. Oh, no, I don`t want anybody to know that. So you can change anything. You can take three, four, five takes to get something out. You can have people with you that are coaching you what to say.

When it`s a taped interview, you can make sure it`s exactly what you want. There`s never the level of surprise or the raw emotion that you`re going to get from a live interview. It`s very staged.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, isn`t it true that extended relatives have wanted to come forward and lead the search, be out there, speak to the press, asking for help to find Isa, and the parents have told them no?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. We`ve talked to relatives. Greg, on the ground there, has talked to relatives who say they do want to get out there. They know how important it is to keep this in the public eye, and that is by getting on camera, telling people that Isabel is still missing, asking for help. Family wants to talk but the parents are still keeping a lid on it.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Janice in Arizona, hi, Janice, what`s your question?

JANICE, CALLER FROM ARIZONA: Hi, Nancy. I have just been following the case and I wanted to know something I`m not sure if you`ve addressed this or not, why the parents decided to put Isabel in her bedroom that night when she normally sleeps in the brothers` bedroom and, also, I think they said that she was last seen wearing shorts and a tank top, and if the parents put her to bed wouldn`t they have put her in pajamas and wouldn`t the pajamas be the last thing she was seen wearing?

GRACE: You know, Janice in Arizona, those are some of the exact same questions I have asked. And back to you, Paul Birmingham, KNST, maybe it`s different in different homes, but my children wear pajamas to bed. I don`t recall them ever wanting to wear real clothes to bed but they`re only 4. But one thing I know, Paul, and maybe it`s different in different homes, my children always sleep together, usually with me, but all together, and it would be an aberration if that were changed.

What do we know about this? And we`re still not getting answers as to who put the child to bed. We finally got the answer that the mom did not check on her, did not want to wake her up before she went to work that morning. But what do we know in answer to Janice`s questions?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, NEWS DIRECTOR, KNST, 790AM/97.1 FM (via phone): Well, these are things that we`ve asked Tucson Police. They`re not able to provide an answer, whether they simply don`t want to and they know the answers or they`ve not been able to determine the answers themselves. That remains an open question.

As to what she may have been sleeping in, probably wouldn`t be uncommon given our hot Tucson evenings. It does cool down a bit, but it could be possible that normally what you think of as a pajama or sleeping clothes might simply be too hot even with the AC on in the home but, again, police have not really given us any hard and fast answers to these questions.

GRACE: It`s very unusual, Marc Klaas, that simple questions like who put her to bed -- and I had to pull a tooth to find out, did the mom check on her before she left that morning. I just don`t understand why these seemingly innocent details are being kept away from media who is only trying to help.

KLAAS: You know, this case is really perplexing, Nancy, but it harkens back to other situations. Baby Ayla Reynolds was also supposed to sleep with other kids but that night that she disappeared she just happened to be in another bedroom, and we know that people are still looking at the parents in that case.

Baby Lisa Irwin generally slept with her brothers but the night she disappeared she just happened to be sleeping by herself and the parents are still being looked at in that case. In all of those cases continue to be unresolved.

GRACE: Anne Bremner, Kirby Clements, police now saying that they absolutely have information, quote, "too sensitive to release."

Anne Bremner, Seattle lawyer, what do you make of it?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, it could well be something with the family with the -- with the uncle/cousin. It could be a -- you know, a perp/perps. If it`s that kind of sensitive information. Because, you know, what I`m thinking, Nancy, is when you`re talking about his criminal history here on the air with Jean, the question is, they must have something else. I mean there`s -- that plus something for them to think that he would be in the category of a potential, you know, abductor/molester.

GRACE: Kirby?

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think the police have nothing and that`s why they`ve said we got sensitive information. I don`t think they have a thing and they`re just totally clueless and they`re just making this up, just to try to beat the bushes, if you will. That`s my opinion on this situation.

GRACE: You know what, Kirby, do you have anything to base that on or it`s just you sitting there twiddling your thumbs coming up with it?

CLEMENTS: No, I think it`s based on the fact that they`ve got nothing. That`s -- I can twiddle my thumbs and get that answer.

GRACE: All right.

CLEMENTS: I can work hard and still get that same answer. They`ve got nothing.

GRACE: Twiddling thumbs.

CLEMENTS: No. Observing facts. They`ve got nothing.

GRACE: Aaron Brehove, what have you been able to determine from police releases when they speak to us?

AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: When they speak to us they seem to be very forthcoming and they want -- and they want to come to a certain is point. They want to tell that the parents getting out is going to bring a closure to this. It`s going to help to bring that closure.


GRACE: Two-year-old Caleigh that we are showing you was at the beach with her mom and her 4-year-old sister, they`re playing with a bouncy ball. The ball goes over the beach wall. Mom goes to retrieve it, turns around, Caleigh is gone.

Joining us tonight and taking your calls Anthony Harrison, Caleigh`s father, joining us exclusively tonight out of Boston. Also with us, David Harrison, her uncle.

Anthony, first of all, you were not there when this happened. You must be overcome, even though you had absolutely nothing to do with her going missing with feeling like what could I have done? What happened? Could I have stopped this from happening? What are police telling you tonight, Anthony?

ANTHONY HARRISON, FATHER OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD GIRL, CALEIGH: Basically that the water search is over. It`s an open investigation but that`s about it.

GRACE: The water search for 2-year-old Caleigh is over. What do you make of that, Anthony?

HARRISON: Well, it was a pretty big search, and they had a lot of resources there, and I don`t think she`s in the water.

GRACE: Explain to me what the mom says. What did the mom say happened?

HARRISON: She said exactly what you said, the ball went over the wall. She went to go retrieve it. When she turned around, my oldest daughter was standing there and my youngest daughter was gone.

GRACE: How long did it take her to go retrieve the ball? How far away was it?

HARRISON: I`m not positive on how far away it was, but I would probably say less than two minutes.

GRACE: OK, because two minutes is a pretty good -- a pretty good walk.

Joe Gomez, investigative reporter, KTRH, what do we know? Why has the water search ended, Joe?

JOE GOMEZ, REPORTER, KTRH RADIO: Well, Nancy, you know, initially they believed that perhaps little Caleigh may have vanished into the water, but they have scoured those waters, Nancy, they have found on trace. So that makes only one other possible explanation, that little Caleigh may have been abducted, and that two minutes that it took her mother to cross that wall and look for that bouncy ball, somebody could have potentially abducted like little Caleigh and she may be, she may very well be out there somewhere in somebody`s custody, Nancy.

GRACE: To David Harrison, the uncle of little Caleigh, David -- and, Liz, let me see that sketch you had for me, that graph of where the ball bounced to.

Explain to me again, David, what happened when Caleigh goes missing.

DAVID HARRISON, UNCLE OF MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD TOT GIRL, CALEIGH: From what we -- you know, from what Allison has told us she was -- got to the beach. As soon as she got there, she had the family dog with her. She had one of those ball retrievers, the dog sticks. She threw the ball. The ball inadvertently went up on this little embankment that`s kind of like just behind where they were.

She walked down to the stairs, which were about 50, 60 yards away, went up to the top of the stairs, turned, saw both children still playing in the sand, turned to look for the ball in the little grassy area in front of some of the houses that are there, turned around again and when she turned around, Caleigh was gone and Elizabeth was standing with her hands wide open when she asked her where Caleigh was.

Then she frantically went down, back down the stairs. The first thing she did was went into -- look into the water because that`s where, you know, when a child is lost at the beach, the first place you look is the water. She went in about waist high, looked around. In that period of time it was almost impossible in her mind, and our mind, too, that if she was from point A to point B out to the -- around the corner where the little island was, she would have seen her. She was wearing pink so she would have seen her.

So after, you know, looking around that area some -- one passerby came by and when she was frantic and asked her if she wanted to call 911 and they did, and then the search went on and then the -- of course the ocean search went on for about five, five and a half days.

GRACE: OK. I don`t know if you can see the monitor.

Liz, please put up that sketch for me again.

You`re seeing shots of little Caleigh right now, just 2 years old. Tip line 9785-4621212. Keep it there for me, Liz.

You`re saying, David, I`m trying to understand what happened sitting here in a studio and you have actually seen the scene. You`re saying the ball - -


GRACE: -- bounced, went 60 yards, I`m just comparing that to a football field which is, I think, 100 yards, isn`t that right? OK, 100 yards. So over --

D. HARRISON: No, no, Nancy. No, Nancy, actually -- all right. I`ll explain it to you a little better. The ball went up about 12 feet. The wall is about 12 to 15 feet high. Where they were when she threw the ball was very easy to get up on that wall. But to get up on that wall she had to walk 60 -- about 60 yards to the stairs to get up and then back to where the ball was. So that`s the -- the ball actually didn`t go -- she had to go --


GRACE: Now I get it.


GRACE: OK. Now -- because what I was understanding didn`t make sense, but you`re saying she had to go back like toward the water to get to the entrance to the steps then come up the steps to get to that wall.

D. HARRISON: Correct. Actually back away from the water. Parallel with the water. If you`ve seen the -- if you`ve seen the sketch --

GRACE: Got it.

D. HARRISON: You know, it`s kind of like a little cove there. And she had to walk back -- parallel to that wall, up a stairs, back towards the bridge where --


D. HARRISON: Near where the kids were.

GRACE: I get it.

D. HARRISON: Then find the ball.

GRACE: I get it, David.

We`ll take your calls. David Harrison and the father of little Caleigh with us, Anthony Anderson, taking your calls.

Now I get it because the story wasn`t making sense to me but now that you`ve explained it I understand it.

All right. Anthony Harrison, Caleigh missing, when Allison, the mother, goes back, the 4-year-old is standing there, what did the 4-year-old sister say as to what happened to Caleigh?

A. HARRISON: She said she didn`t know. And that was it. She said nothing else.

GRACE: Have you talked -- have you talked to the sister?


GRACE: What did she tell you?

A. HARRISON: A couple of different stories. She mentions a man. It`s a little bit scattered, of course she is 4 years old. But she did after a while mentioned a man on the beach that took her sister.

GRACE: All right. She mentioned a man on the beach that took her sister. This is something new that I didn`t know about. When did she tell you this?

A. HARRISON: When did she tell us this? I want to say it was three or four days after. I`m kind of lost on time right now. They interviewed her with a state psychologist, and they came back and said she didn`t know anything, and then after a few days she started talking about it. And, of course, you know, she`s 4 years old, it`s kind of hard to take a 4-year- old`s word for it. But we`re looking into it.

GRACE: Well, both of my twins are 4 years old, and lucky for me they are extremely verbal, so I get a lot of information. I mean I know who got in time-out at play school that day. I know who showed what at show and tell.

To you, Bonnie Druker, what is being done regarding the 4-year-old`s revelation that a man approached them on the beach?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, police said that they have interviewed the 4-year-old sister, but at this point they are not revealing anything, as the father said. A shrink talked to her but police are being extremely tight-lipped about this, Nancy.

GRACE: Robyn Walensky, reporter with "The Blaze," weigh in, Robyn.

ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: You know, Nancy, what strikes me about this is that the beach was not yet open for the season. So there were a finite amount of people that were strolling around on that nice day when she goes missing. And it`s really a mega mystery. You know no one sees her going into the water, the people who are out there. No one sees her being snatched.

And if indeed the 4-year-old saw a man, maybe the guy had a gun or a knife. Maybe she`s terrified. Maybe she really needs to think about it and go with another psychiatrist and maybe draw photograph, draw a little picture as they with little kiddy art, Nancy, and made the truth will come out.


GRACE: We are live with breaking news. Joining us the father and the uncle of 2-year-old Caleigh who goes missing on a public beach, playing ball with her mom, mom goes to retrieve a ball, had to walk 60 yards to get to the ball, comes back, the baby gone.

Back out to you, Bonnie Druker, other beachgoers saw the girls, saw Caleigh on the beach, correct?

DRUKER: They did see her on the beach, Nancy.

GRACE: Because a lot of people are going, how do we know she was ever even there, that the mom didn`t make up the story. Other beachgoers saw her there.


GRACE: To Anthony Harris, this is Caleigh`s father. There was a five-day water search. What are police telling you, Anthony?

A. HARRISON: Basically, they`ve done everything they could for a water search and from what we were told it`s a tragic accident.

GRACE: What is Allison saying, the mother?

A. HARRISON: She feels the same as most of the family, I would probably say all the family, that there`s a huge chance that Caleigh was abducted.

GRACE: Well, out to you, Marc Klaas, president and founder, KlaasKids Foundation. This is the not adding up because there was a five-day water search, Marc. And if Caleigh had gone out to water, you would have found her, that quickly, the search started almost immediately in the water for her.

KLAAS: First, my thoughts and prayers go out to Anthony, David and the entire family. And I just think it`s such a desperate situation when your best hope begins where my nightmare ends, which is the fact that maybe some guy just showed up and snatched their little girl. To think that that`s the best possible scenario is just absolutely grueling. But let`s hope that it is. Let`s hope that they`re able to find this little girl and bring her home.

GRACE: Everyone, again, the tip line, 978-546-1212. Let`s -- don`t give up on Caleigh Harrison. Her father and her uncle have not.

Let`s stop and remember Army Staff Sergeant Brandon Farley, 30, Grand Perry, Texas, killed, Afghanistan, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, third tour, also served Marines. Loved outdoor, dreamed of a family, leaves behind parents Sherry and Wade, brother Corey, sisters Lauren and Ashlen.

Brandon Farley, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us and especially good night from California friend, little crime fighter, Ty. Isn`t he handsome?

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.