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Manhunt for Adam Mayes

Aired May 08, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tennessee. An entire family of five under siege. Mommy and the three little girls vanish without a trace. Mommy`s gold Durango abandoned on a country road.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, 90 miles away, two shallow graves reveal the worst, Mommy and one of the little girls dead. Tonight, where are the other two little girls? And at this hour, what is happening to them? Right now, FBI agents in camouflage with high-powered rifles patrolling the area as roadblocks spring up throughout. Every minute counts.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Extreme danger, a mother and three daughters kidnapped.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A manhunt for a family friend suspected of kidnapping...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bain and her daughters, 14-year-old Adrienne, 12-year-old Alexandria, and 8-year-old Kyliyah were abducted by this man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI wants to find this guy more than ever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) laying around here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities now pointing fingers at Adam Mayes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes, after two bodies were found in a home where he had been staying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two bodies were found buried in a shallow grave in Mayes`s backyard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is armed and dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They believe Mayes made changes to hide identities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have information that he has altered the appearances of everybody, including himself, primarily from cutting their hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators say Mayes could be anywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re bouncing back from Mississippi to Arizona to Tennessee.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live to Tennessee. Mommy and her three little girls vanish without a trace. In the last hours, 90 miles away, two shallow graves are found. They reveal the worst, the mother and one of the little girls dead. But where are the other two girls? Right now, we know from experience every minute counts.

Straight out to Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent joining us. Martin, what`s happening?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right now, we know that there is a desperate manhunt that`s under way here in the southeastern part of the United States to try to find Adam Mayes because authorities believe if you find Adam Mayes -- and he`s the suspected abductor in this particular case -- then you will, hopefully, find the whereabouts of those two young girls, an 8-year-old and 12-year-old. That`s Alexandria and Kyliyah Bain. They are the two surviving sisters.

As you point out, their mother and their older sister already have been found dead, so of course, authorities are very fearful for the whereabouts and for the well-being of those two young girls. They do believe they`re alive at this time, Nancy.

GRACE: You know, Martin, I hope you`re right, but why would they believe that? And how would they know that, that the two little girls, the remaining two little girls, are alive?

SAVIDGE: It`s a great question, Nancy, and I got to tell you, it`s the same one we put to authorities. They will not get into that kind of detail.

The lead investigator on this is, of course, the FBI because they say that this family was transported across state lines, kidnapped, they say, in Tennessee, moved to Mississippi. The FBI is in the lead, and they are not saying much other than putting out the identity of Adam Mayes and putting out the identity of the children.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. There is a BOLO right now -- All Points Bulletin -- for this man, Adam Mayes. Right now, an entire family of five is under siege, the mother and the little girls missing, three little girls, ages running between 6 and 14, a shallow grave, two of them, one beside the other, reveal the worst, 90 miles away the mother and the 14-year-old girl found dead. Both are murdered. Right now, I don`t have the COD, cause of death, on the mom and the little girl. I know that the two other little girls are still missing. It`s a very convoluted story.

But Dave Mack, joining me, WAAX, break it down for me. What does this perv, Adam Mayes, age 35 years old, a white male, have to do with this family?

DAVE MACK, WAAX: Believe it or not, Nancy, there is a relative contact here. Here`s how it works. Apparently, he`s the brother-in-law of the father, Gary (ph), the husband of JoAnn. And he has been around this family. They actually -- the girls actually called him Uncle Adam.

So there`s a really close family contact here -- best friend. He`s been there. He`s worked with Gary, the father and husband. So this was a man who was intimately familiar with the family and was well liked by everyone.

GRACE: Now, let me get this straight, Dave Mack. He is the current brother-in-law of the father -- a former brother-in-law?

MACK: Former brother-in-law, actually. Apparently -- and I`m confused on this. But Gary was married to Adam`s sister, or somehow, there`s a connection there. They are former brothers-in-law. And now since -- well, up until this, best friends. And that`s why the close connection. That`s why he`s...

GRACE: And as a matter of fact, to you -- that`s right. You`re absolutely right, Dave Mack.

John DePetro, WPRO, as a matter of fact, he was trying to help the family move, ostensibly, as why he was around the home at the time the mom and the three little girls go missing. Now, tell me about the discovery of the two shallow graves, DiPetro. What do we know?

JOHN DEPETRO, WPRO (via telephone): What we know, Nancy, is the two bodies were found tied to the Mayes residence. They have been identified as the mother, JoAnn, and the oldest daughter. Authorities have not released the cause of death, but it is an urgent situation with those other two girls, Nancy.

GRACE: You know, it`s interesting, what he said. I`m going to go to criminal profiler and author of "Only the Truth" Pat Brown, one of the most renowned profilers in our country today.

Pat, what he just said, when John DePetro just said the two bodies, a mother and daughter, were found slain, buried in shallow graves on a property connected to Adam Mayes, I`ll tell you what that connection is.

Here he is, age 35, another white male, middle-aged, living with his Mommy, all right? How many pervs do we have to find that are white males slung up with their mommy when they should be out living on their own? That`s the connection to this property, am I correct?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Nancy, what scares me more is that he has two other things I`ve heard. One is that he`s a handyman. And there`s nothing wrong with being a handyman, but there have been quite a few serial killers have taken that job because it`s -- you don`t have to get hired by anybody in particular, except the family, and you can just move on in.

And secondly, it was said that he baby-sat the children. And we`ve heard these stories, too, about men who baby-sit children. And the fact that he now has those two younger ones in his possession, that really creeps me out, and I think that was his whole intention.

Maybe the mother and older teen knew something about what he was doing with the younger children. Maybe he just wanted to take the younger children away. But that scares me that maybe he`s been sexually abusing those younger children.

GRACE: OK, I can tell you right now he didn`t want to just take the children away.

Martin Savidge, I want to get back to what we`re showing right now on the screen. And I don`t know if you can see your monitor, but we keep showing pictures of the children with altered appearances. Why?

SAVIDGE: This is something that, again, the authorities are putting out there, and again, coming from the FBI. They say that it is believed that the children and perhaps even JoAnn altered their appearances. We`re not sure whether they did it willingly or whether they were forced to do this. And what`s being discussed is that they had to cut their hair, which is one of the reasons you see the hair altered in certain ways, and also that they dyed the hair.

Now, how did the FBI make this determination? We don`t know. Was it possibly by looking at the bodies that they covered -- uncovered in those shallow graves, or was this information they gleaned from some other source? Again, we don`t know. They aren`t saying.

GRACE: Take a look at the children we are showing you now. We are showing you pictures of the children we hope are still alive, with an altered appearance. It`s our belief that this man, 35-year-old white male Adam Mayes, is on the run. He has an alias of Paco Rodrigass. We believe he has the two other girls.

This is an All Points Bulletin, an APB. The mother that he took, the 14-year-old girl that he took, have been found in two shallow graves about 90 miles away on a property where he once lived, the mother and the daughter dead. The two little sisters, we believe, are still on the run and alive with this man, undergoing God only knows what at this hour!

And we need your help. The FBI believes their appearances have been altered. Why? We don`t know. We are speculating, making an educated guess, that the bodies that were found in those shallow graves had had their appearances altered.

And just imagine -- for all of you out there right now with children, imagine your children sitting in a car while their mother and their sister are murdered and then buried in shallow graves. Those two little girls, we believe, are still alive, and at this hour, there is a chance that their lives can be saved.

I`ve got in my hands what I`ve just been handed. We now believe that female relatives of 35-year-old Adam Mayes have been arrested. Female relatives of the perp have been arrested. Highly, highly unusual.

Ellie Jostad, I`ve got in my hands right here warrants out. What`s happening?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, this is the wife and the mother of the suspect, Adam Mayes. They were taken into custody late yesterday. They are both charged with, in what Tennessee has called extremely or especially aggravated kidnapping. That is kidnapping that involves bodily harm, young children, false imprisonment. They are held right now on those charges.

GRACE: Everyone, at this hour, an All-Points Bulletin for Adam Mayes, age 35. We believe he is on the run with two little girls.

A family of five under siege tonight. Daddy learns his wife and his 14-year-old girl are dead and gone. His remaining two children, Kyliyah, age 8, Alexandria, age 12.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigation is unfolding into the disappearance of the Bain family, a mother and her three children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bain and three of her daughters, 14-year-old Adrienne, 12-year-old Alexandria, and 8-year-old Kyliyah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes, a neighbor who police say is now a suspected kidnapper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the search, we did find two bodies at that location.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities say 31-year-old JoAnn Bain and her eldest daughter were buried in shallow graves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two bodies were found in a home where he had been staying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a back yard of a Mississippi home that belongs to the suspect, Adam Mayes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The two younger daughters could still be with him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mayes hasn`t been seen since.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI wants to find this guy more than ever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Gary Bain, the biological father of the 8-year- old, and JoAnn`s husband...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think I can hold it together long enough to talk to anybody.

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GRACE: I`ve got in my hands right now warrants for two women that we think are connected to the kidnapper in this case, 35-year-old white male Adam Mayes. A father learns his wife and 14-year-old daughter dead, buried in shallow graves about 90 miles away. Right now, still alive, we believe, his two younger daughters. And they are with this man, Adam Mayes.

Ellie, I`m reading over the affidavits, wherein these two women are charged with especially aggravated kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping. Sounds like they helped out Adam Mayes. They uncover in a trailer in Union County, Mississippi, items belonging to the two little girls. What do you see?

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. I think the most disturbing thing in these documents is that Teresa Mayes, who is the wife of the suspect, Adam Mayes -- she allegedly admitted to police that she helped drive a vehicle containing the four Mayes women -- that would be the mom, JoAnn, and the three little girls -- that she helped remove them from their home and drive them in this vehicle away from the house.

GRACE: Have they all lost their minds? Right now, we don`t know where the two little girls are. One is 8 years old, Kyliyah, the other 12, Alexandria.

Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Jennifer Smetters, Chicago, Bradford Cohen, Miami, Darryl Cohen, Atlanta.

All right, Darryl Cohen. As far as I`m concerned, they can all line up for the death penalty. What`s your defense?

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I don`t normally agree with you, but in this instance, the only way for them to avoid the death penalty is for these two women who have been arrested now to start cooperating, find out where this guy is, see if we can get these poor two kids back and get them healthy, make sure they`re still living, eating and breathing.

GRACE: Darryl, look at your screen. Liz, show me the girls again. Darryl, as I recall, you have little girls, don`t you?

D. COHEN: Yes, I do. The only thing...

GRACE: Look -- look at your monitor!

D. COHEN: I`m looking at them, Nancy. And the only thing that we can do to save these two little girls is the FBI doing their job, everyone else doing their job, so we can bring these girls back and give this guy -- the only defense we`ve got with him is mitigation, if he brings them back and brings them back alive and does it quickly. That`s it. I don`t have any other defense for him at this time.

GRACE: Yes, mitigation where the sun don`t shine! Brad Cohen, weigh in.

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, number one is we don`t know exactly what happened. Number two is, in terms of mitigation, the FBI is doing a good job by charging the mom and the wife because what they`re going to do now is use that as leverage to have him surrender and have him turn these kids in. And maybe, maybe, they will file lesser charges on the wife and the mom.

GRACE: Jennifer?

JENNIFER SMETTERS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Heinous and vulgar acts were committed against innocent people. At this stage in the game, to say lesser charges is completely inappropriate. We are at the mercy of not only the FBI and the local law authorities, but to every citizen in the area to keep their eyes open and help find these poor girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not inappropriate if you`re going to have two little girls...

GRACE: Out to Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst. Go ahead.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: My biggest issue here is this hero has left his mom and his wife behind to be arrested. He is not going to do anything but protect himself. We`ve got to rely on that and make a plea for him to drop the children off in a safe place right now and turn himself in before we have a more deadly situation.

GRACE: Sheryl, Sheryl, Sheryl, Sheryl!

MCCOLLUM: Yes?

GRACE: You just wasted 30 seconds of air time when we could have been putting up the tip line because if you think this guy`s going to hand in the two girls...

MCCOLLUM: No, I don`t think he`s going to.

GRACE: ... that`s not happening. Tip line, 1-800-824-3463. There`s a $50,000 reward offered by the FBI and U.S. Marshals. Please bring this man in and the two girls alive.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bain and three of her daughters, 14-year-old Adrienne, 12-year-old Alexandria, and 8-year-old Kyliyah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two bodies were found in a home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities now are pointing fingers at Adam Mayes, a man close to the family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thirty-one-year-old JoAnn Bain and her eldest daughter were buried in shallow graves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bodies were found in a home where he had been staying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI says he was considered a trusted family friend to the Bain family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes people put up a facade. Sometimes that facade ain`t right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are actively investigating this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fear for the safety of the two other young daughters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is considered armed and very dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he told some people that all three of the girls was his, just hopefully thinking that one day, they would be his family, you know, that JoAnn would probably go and live with him and bring the girls.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Joining me right now, a former neighbor of Adam Mayes, now wanted in the disappearance of two little girls and the murder of the mother and sister just 14 years old. With me is Gerald Long. Mr. Long, thank you for being with us.

GERALD LONG, FMR. NEIGHBOR OF ADAM MAYES (via telephone): Thank you.

GRACE: Mr. Long, you were a neighbor of Adam Mayes. What is your recollection of him and his wife?

LONG: Well, my recollection was that he was a personable person, was good to -- easy to get along with, never saw anything going on with him.

GRACE: Who did he live with at the time you knew him?

LONG: His mother and father.

GRACE: And how old was he at that time?

LONG: Probably 32, 33.

GRACE: So 33 years old living, with his mother and father. Did he have a job?

LONG: No. Mostly, he worked on cars and did odd jobs.

GRACE: Did you know him since his marriage?

LONG: Well, I`ve known him for about two years because they were living in the house across the road from where I built (ph) a house.

GRACE: What was the wife like? Because I`ve got in my hand a federal arrest warrant for her for kidnapping.

LONG: Well, she was nice. I think she had a few emotional problems, but basically a pretty nice person.

GRACE: When you say emotional problems, what do you mean?

LONG: Well, she would kind of scream -- get screaming fits or whatever, and you know, it was kind of hard to deal with -- to deal with her at times. But you know, as far as my relationship with her, never had any problem (INAUDIBLE) But sometimes you would see her just come out of the house across the road and just go screaming (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: When you say screaming fits, screaming at whom?

LONG: Well, mostly at Adam. She`d get mad at him about something.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The disappearance of the Bain family, a mother and her three children.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The center of this manhunt, more than 100 state troopers are here searching every single vehicle at roadside checkpoints.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This dark blue Chevy Malibu is getting turned around by the state trooper right now. Troopers haven`t let anybody go through.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two shallow graves on land where suspect Adam Mayes was living.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They have been back in that backyard digging up soil samples.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The family`s SUV was discovered in a field near their home a couple of days after they disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he told some people that all three of the girls was his.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The day Jo Ann Bain`s car was found, Mayes was brought in for questioning and then vanished.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls right now. There`s an all points bulletin in the search for 35-year-old Adam Mayes, allegedly kidnapping a mother and her three daughters. Right now two of those bodies have been found in shallow graves, the mother and the 14-year-old girl. At-large, the two little sisters with this man we believe, Adam Mayes, aged 35.

Straight back out to Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent.

Martin, how did this whole thing come about? Where was the father? When was it learned the mother and the three girls were missing? They were planning a trip, I believe, to Arizona for health reasons for one of the girls. I believe she had asthma and breathing problems. They were in the midst of moving and suddenly mom and all three girls disappear.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. And that`s the wonder that some people have, is somehow was that move part of what triggered this terrible chain of tragic events. The family was reported missing on April 27th by Gary Bain. That`s the husband. He woke up in the middle of the night, found his wife was gone. Tries to reach her on the cell phone, gets no answer. Then the next day he doesn`t see the kids come off the school bus. That`s when he notifies authorities.

But it`s not until nearly a week later that we get an Amber alert that`s put out. This is after authorities begin to get suspicious, that they searched the property of Adam Mayes` --

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GRACE: Wait, Martin. Martin. Martin. Did you jut say a week later?

SAVIDGE: Correct.

GRACE: Did you say a week later?

SAVIDGE: Yes.

GRACE: OK. What did I miss? Why was it a week later an Amber alert goes out?

SAVIDGE: Well, again, questions we have put to authorities, the explanation we get, it appears that authorities as well as Gary Bain believed that his wife might have willingly gone with Adam Mayes. We know that`s not the case now, but at the time that was one of the theories. In fact, Gary Bain apparently put up on her Facebook page a plea for her to return. They would, quote/unquote, work things out.

So authorities appear to have been looking at this as perhaps a willing departure on the part of the mother and maybe her children. But then after the vehicle was found, after Mayes was interviewed and then disappears, that`s when things begin to look like it was horribly misinterpreted.

GRACE: OK, Martin, was the mother having some kind of relationship with this guy?

SAVIDGE: We don`t know. We know that he had a very close relationship with the family. As far as if it was anything beyond that, we do not know. One thing is clear, though, by the warrant that you have in your hands, it shows that the mother and the elder daughter suffered, quote/unquote, "great bodily harm" in the night that they were taken out of the house, so they fought for their lives to prevent from being taken.

GRACE: That suggests to me that the mother did not have any type of relationship, as a lot of people have guessed, with Adam Mayes. I haven`t believed that for one minute.

The father says on Facebook, we`ll work things out, maybe there was turmoil between the two of them, between moving and three children and financial problems. I can understand that kind of turmoil, but I don`t think the mom was connected to the alleged kidnapper in any way other than through her husband.

Apparently, as Martin Savidge from CNN has just advised, the mother and the one daughter put up a fight. The fight of their lives. The night that they were kidnapped. Why do we know that, Martin?

SAVIDGE: Well, it`s in the warrant that now has been put out for the arrest of the wife and the mother of Adam Mayes. The other thing it points out, that same warrant, is that on the 27th, this is the day that the family is reported missing, Adam Mayes is seen digging in the yard of his mother. That apparently is digging the shallow graves.

Does it mean he`s preparing for someone`s death or does it mean that two of the family members have already died? We don`t know. But the timeline is critical here. First and foremost finding those two young girls alive is the most important thing, but eventually it`s going to come back to, why didn`t police move sooner on getting the word out on this?

GRACE: With me, Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation.

Two things, Marc Klaas, number one, when do you say, no? I believe that I would do anything to save my son or daughter, no matter what kind of trouble they got into. I would do anything. But is there a certain point where you have to stand up and say, no? I mean here is this guy`s mother, allegedly -- I`ve got the warrant right here in my hands -- standing by and her son, her grown son, aged 35, is digging two graves in the backyard.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Yes, and she`s going to rot in hell for that behavior.

Nancy, in May of 2005, a perpetrator broke into a home in Coeur d` Alene, in Idaho and murdered a family. He subsequently kidnapped two children, Shasta and Dylan Groene.

GRACE: The Groene. Yes.

KLAAS: They -- he murdered Dylan and seven weeks later Shasta was found with the perpetrator in a Denny`s restaurant and here then is the key to this whole case. Law enforcement has spread a very wide umbrella here and what people need to be looking for is a tall man, a tall, skinny man, and two young girls, all with bad haircuts in places like convenience stores, fast food outlets, service stations, and highway motels because this guy is on the move and on the run and he is somewhere.

This is somewhere where trucker TV could have a huge impact because there are two million truckers on America`s highways and they will find this guy if he`s out there.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, you know better than anyone the statistics. Is there a chance, given the scenario, and I think that there is, that these two little girls are alive? What I fear is the longer this drags out until we find this guy, we`re going to find all three of them dead in some motel somewhere at his hands.

KLAAS: It`s possible, but that`s why I led with the Shasta Groene story because this guy murdered everybody but he did spare this little girl and now hopefully she`s put her life back together and is moving forward.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Nathan in Oklahoma. Hi, Nathan. What`s your question?

NATHAN, CALLER FROM OKLAHOMA: My question is, is how come when they had the dad, the ex-brother-in-law, the so-called friend of the family in custody at the time for questioning, how come they didn`t keep him longer?

GRACE: Good question. What do we know, Martin Savidge?

SAVIDGE: Yes. We asked the same question of the FBI. Why did you let him go? They said they weren`t going to comment on that other than they interviewed him, then later found that some aspects of the responses he gave just didn`t add up, and that`s when they went to go talk to him again and he was gone. But they won`t tell us why they let him go.

GRACE: Dave Mack, WAAX, so the feds actually had this guy in custody. They questioned him, as Nathan in Oklahoma has accurately pointed that out, and let him go.

DAVE MACK, TALK SHOW HOST, WAAX: Four days after the disappearance, May 1st, they actually have a talk with him. They know he`s a suspect and they look into it and after interviewing him they were just looking into figuring out exactly what had taken place. But then when they went back, they actually went back with an arrest warrant, Nancy, and he was gone.

I will tell you something that has been brought up about the wife here, Theresa, is Theresa apparently told her sister, Bobbi Booth, about the murders last week and Bobbi never came forward and told anybody. I don`t understand how that is. Why would that happen?

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Well, there is a manhunt now for a family friend suspected of kidnapping a mom and her three daughters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re bouncing back from Mississippi to Arizona to Tennessee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is a wanted person. He is armed and dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Described as a family friend --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The mother and oldest daughter`s bodies were discovered at the home in Guntown, Mississippi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the search we did find two bodies at that location.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The other two girls are still missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let us know where the kids are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He has altered the appearances of everybody including himself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`ve seen these kids, call.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls right now. One of the most extensive manhunts in the region`s history. A mom disappears, vanishing into thin air, with her three little girls. A shallow grave, two of them, one beside the next, reveals the worst. Ninety miles away the mother and the 14-year- old girl had been found dead. Something about their bodies suggest the other two little girls have had their appearances altered.

The man at the heart of all of this, the alleged kidnapper, 35-year- old Adam Mayes.

Straight out to Ramani Durvasula, clinical psychologist. Ramani, how -- the thinking, what is the thinking behind someone that thinks they can get away with this?

RAMANI DURVASULA, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: I think that you`re using the wrong word. He`s not thinking. He just does. Look at this man`s life. There`s been very little thinking. There`s been no planning. For all we know there was some -- something. Maybe business between the family, it doesn`t go right. He doesn`t think, he just goes and does and doesn`t think about the consequences of his actions, and that`s what makes him dangerous because he will lead police on a chase.

He will take these girls and not think. There`s no thinking. So I mean it`s so -- it`s a sociopathic act. And sociopaths notoriously just think about the next five minutes and that`s about it.

GRACE: To Dr. Gwenn O`Keefe, physician and founder of pediatricsnow.com, two of these little girls have severe, severe asthma. Shouldn`t the hospitals and emergency rooms be put on alert and, if so, what should they be looking for?

DR. GWENN O`KEEFE, M.D., PEDIATRICIAN, FOUNDER & CEO, PEDIATRICSNOW.COM: Absolutely, Nancy, and hopefully they have been notified and what they should look for is a man coming in with two girls with a bad haircut, as others have noticed, not knowing about these kids` history. So the kids will come in having trouble breathing with a cough, with the adult not knowing a thing about the kids. Grown-ups know about their kids` asthma histories. They should be able to rattle off what`s going on with the kids. And if he says he`s a family friend or relative, if he`s an entrusted family friend, parents pass on information about their kids` asthma history in writing or they pass on a cell phone.

So the nursing staff and the medical team will know right away that something is fishy here and be able to notify authorities. So they should be on alert for not just kids with an asthma history that seems out of place with a gentleman but kids who are suddenly in trouble that don`t seem to have a man with them that knows anything about these kids.

GRACE: And what`s so disturbing, Pat Brown, is very often, for instance, speaking of Dylan and Shasta Groene, I recall watching surveillance vide of Shasta Groene walking around in a 7-Eleven with her kidnapper. But she didn`t say anything. Of course she had watched her brother, her little brother be molested over and over and over, and finally murdered.

So I guess she was afraid to. But it`s possible, as Dr. Gwenn O`Keeffe is stating, they may be in an emergency room and they may not say a word.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "ONLY THE TRUTH": I don`t think we`re going to see them in any emergency room. I would assume that if one of these poor children has an asthma attack that will be something he will hope just goes away and if it doesn`t just too bad.

I don`t think he`s going to take the risk of taking them into any -- any kind of emergency room. Yes, he might stop at a convenience store because he`s got to buy some food. But I would also worry about the fact that he is so dangerous right now he could be -- go on a spree, he could go into somebody else`s home and steal their vehicle or kill other people to get their stuff. So, I mean, he`s more dangerous -- he`s dangerous to those two children but he`s dangerous to everyone else out there in his way as well.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight out to Carol in Pennsylvania. Hi, Carol. What`s your question?

CAROL, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Nancy. First, I`d like to say you`re my hero. I really admire your diligence and dedication to these children and the victims of crime, and your twins are truly precious.

My question is, are they going to continue to look on the same grounds where they discovered the two bodies, or are they going solely on the assumption that these two little girls are alive and with this maniac somewhere with him doing god know what to them?

GRACE: Good question. To CNN correspondent, Martin Savidge.

Have they thoroughly searched the outlying land to determine if the other two girls have been buried?

SAVIDGE: They have been searching at least that property where they found the shallow graves and were digging throughout the day, I believe, on Sunday. They were there all day Saturday. This discovery was made late Friday night, early Saturday morning. So for at least 48 hours they probed that particular property. They apparently have moved on to other properties but we believe that the actual digging search is probably close to an end and they`re still focused on trying to find those young girls. That`s why they believe they`re alive apparently.

GRACE: And to you, Dave Mack, WAAX, something is making authorities believe the two little girls, the smallest ones, are still alive, like Martin Savidge just said. How is he getting money? It really hasn`t had any sort of livelihood. I don`t know if he`s even got a credit card or an ATM by which he could be tracked.

MACK: You know there`s no telling, Nancy. At this point you know the authorities haven`t been real forthcoming with a lot of the information they`ve developed, and so we really don`t know. We know that the Bain family left pretty much everything behind so he doesn`t have access to any of their stuff.

However, knowing that his wife and his mother were both involved, maybe they were funneling him money or providing him with money for him to flee. Relatives in Florida are expecting him to show up anytime now.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Colleen in Mississippi. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

COLLEEN, CALLER FROM MISSISSIPPI: yes, Nancy. I have a daughter that turns 12 tomorrow and I dare not let myself allow her to go outside due to this man being about. And my question is, (INAUDIBLE) he`s not on foot with these two children. What kind of vehicle could this man be driving?

GRACE: Good question. To you, Ellie Jostad, what do we know? What`s he driving?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, that`s one of the big problems here that we don`t know if he`s in a vehicle, and if he is, what type of vehicle it is. But something we know about the suspect, he is a mechanic. He`s very good with cars. It`s possible he could even steal a car and be using that. We don`t have a vehicle description at this point.

GRACE: To Smetters, Cohen and Darryl Cohen, all right, here`s the deal, Darryl Cohen. You want to tell me the wife and the mother are in custody and they can`t tell cops what he`s driving? BS.

DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, certainly, Nancy, they may be able to tell them what he was driving. But if he`s as good with a car as he is, they need to look to local law enforcement and the FBI needs to look at all the various vehicles that have been stolen. But mother and wife are the ones that can absolutely put pressure on him to bring in these children before they are killed and before anyone else is killed who he runs into.

GRACE: Jennifer Smetters, do you think it will be worth a deal for the mother and the wife right now to tell what they know in order to find the girls? I do and I usually don`t advocate a deal.

JENNIFER SMETTERS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Oh, I just think it would be ridiculous to deal with these people who are clearly connected to the nexus of this crime. You don`t negotiate with monster and right now I`m not convinced these women would even tell the truth.

GRACE: All I know is this, Bradford Cohen, if somebody had my children, I`d do a deal with the devil to bring him home.

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Listen, I agree with you as well. I -- if you need to make a deal with these two young ladies or one old lady, one young lady, you need to make a deal to bring home the two girls then you need to make a deal. I mean that`s just the bottom line. I agree somewhat to say, we don`t negotiate with terrorists but you know what, in this instance you do.

The problem they may run into is that the wife may have more to do with it than just the kidnapping and then if you make a deal with her, you know, you might be stuck with that.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities have now confirmed that Jo Ann Bain and her oldest daughter 14-year-old Adrienne dead.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Buried in shallow graves in the backyard of a Mississippi home that belonged to the suspect Adam Mayes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s vaguely familiar. You know, he looks creepy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wanted to keep them there with him and not let them go back to Arizona.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Using the alias as Christopher Zachary wild or a Paco Rodriguez. He is considered armed and very dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The FBI wants to find this guy more than ever.

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GRACE: Let`s see the aerial footage, Liz, of the digging right now. We`re showing you. When the body of the mother and the 14-year-old little girl were uncovered. Somewhere out there tonight are the two little sisters, Kyliyah and Alexandria, ages 12 and 8 years old.

Did they see their mom murdered, their sister? Did they see them buried?

To you, Ellie Jostad, explain to the votes what we`re seeing right now.

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. That is the backyard of this home in Guntown, Mississippi, where Adam Mayes, the suspect, is believed to have lived with his wife and his parents. They`ve been doing an excavation of that backyard. They served a federal search warrant there. That`s when they found the bodies. They continue to dig and look for evidence.

GRACE: A $50,000 reward by the FBI and U.S. Marshals. Tip line 800- 824-3463. There`s still time to save these two little girls.

Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Isaac Palomarez, 26, Loveland, Colorado, killed Afghanistan. Purple Heart, Gold Star, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal. Also served Iraq. Loved reading, military history, football, outdoors. Skiing. Favorite sports team, the Colorado Avalanche. Leaves behind parents, Candido and Elma. Brothers Candido III, Omar, Renee.

Isaac Palomarez, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you. And happy birthday tonight, 98th, to Louisiana friend Mr. Elba Bay. Retired accountant. Loves vegetable gardening, gardening, son, Larry, and grandchildren. Special friend, Jerry. Secret to long life, exercise, golf, and healthy eating.

And happy birthday to our show regular, Bradford Cohen.

"Dr. Drew" coming up next. Stay tuned for him.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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