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Search Continues for Adam Mayes and Two Kidnapped Girls
Aired May 09, 2012 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live Tennessee. An entire family of five under siege. Mommy and the three little girls vanish without a trace, Mommy`s gold Durango abandoned on a country road. Ninety miles away, two shallow graves reveal the worst, Mommy and one of the little girls dead.
Tonight, where are the other two little girls? And at this hour, what is happening to them? FBI in camouflage with high-powered rifles patrolling the area, roadblocks springing up. Then a stunning turn. Arrests go down for the suspect`s wife and mother.
Bombshell tonight. Grainy surveillance video of the 35-year-old white male, Adam Mayes, just hours after Mommy and her 14-year-old girl murdered and buried in two shallow graves. We have the video. What clues are left behind? Tonight, every minute counts.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New surveillance video emerging of the country`s most wanted man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man right here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adam Mayes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this the video clue to finally crack this case?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video shows Mayes in a Mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is armed and dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the run.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did say that Adam had threatened to kill her and she was scared to death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Armed and very dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very aggressive person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Arrests have been made of the wife or ex-wife and Mayes`s 65-year-old mother.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: JoAnn Bain and her eldest daughter were buried in shallow graves.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been back in that back yard digging up soil samples.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mayes could be anywhere.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Grainy surveillance video emerges of 35-year- old Adam Mayes hours after Mommy and her 14-year-old little girl murdered and buried in two shallow graves. We have the video. What clues does he leave behind?
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent. Martin, we can tell a lot and learn a lot in this surveillance video. What do you see?
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, first and foremost, you can see that Adam Mayes appears to have changed his appearance slightly. He certainly got a haircut, from the other photographic images that we had of him.
He also looks very relaxed. You know, he doesn`t seem like a man who appears to be suspicious in this video, doesn`t engage with anybody there, but it`s clear that he doesn`t seem to be bothered by the events that have happened in the past couple of days.
And this is April 30th. This is essentially three days after the kidnapping and murders that have taken place.
GRACE: You are seeing shots of Adam Mayes, what he may look like right now. After researching this, there are many, many faces to this guy, a 35-year-old white male, by all accounts odd, a loner, lived with his mother for most of his life.
And in a stunning turn, what we thought was his ex-wife, we now learn his wife, and his mother behind bars. This as a murder charge goes down. Martin Savidge, what can you tell me?
SAVIDGE: Well, the murder charge now has been made against Adam Mayes. It`s not a surprise, given the fact that we know he was involved with the deaths of the mother and eldest daughter. And murder charges now additionally have been filed against his wife.
But it`s what`s in those documents -- and this is where we get some new insight. We find, according to Teresa, Teresa Mayes in her statement to authorities, she was there when Adam Mayes killed JoAnn Bain and her oldest daughter. It took place in the garage of the home where they lived at the very night they were being kidnapped.
GRACE: So you`ve got Teresa and Mary, AKA Mary Frances, the wife and the mother of Adam Mayes. And we are learning now that the mother is killed right there in that home, in the garage. And I guess these two women are standing by, twiddling their thumbs while a mother is murdered in the garage.
But what about the 14-year-old girl? Martin Savidge, are you confident that she was dead or alive when she was taken out of the family home?
SAVIDGE: According, again, to the court documents that we have and the statement that is attributed to Teresa Mayes -- she says that she witnessed the killing of both JoAnn and Adrienne, that it took place in the garage of the home. She doesn`t say how they died.
And then the two bodies she transported, in addition to the two living children. That`s the 8-year-old and the 12-year-old, Alexandria and Kyliyah. All of them put into the vehicle and transported down to Mississippi.
You can only wonder what those children were thinking riding next to the body of their mother and oldest sister.
GRACE: Martin Savidge, what more are we learning from the documents? And by the documents, everyone -- part of what he is talking about are these warrants for arrest and charging documents. With me is Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent.
Martin, what more are we learning from the documents?
SAVIDGE: Well, we`ve learned, of course, that there was, in fact, the transporting of the family across state lines. That makes it a federal offense. It`s why the FBI is involved here.
But it`s the detail of what took place inside of the garage, the home. And that would explain why authorities were seen in Whiteville, Tennessee, which is where the Bain family lived, going through the garage of the house. Now, we`ve already seen that authorities were on the scene in Mississippi, where the shallow graves were recovered, but searching the garage, we weren`t sure what was going on there. Now we know why. Apparently, two of the victims were killed in their own home.
GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." What more can you tell me?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, it brings us back to this video, Nancy, this video that was just released, because now we know, according to prosecutors, that this video was taken after two killings occurred.
And the change in appearance, I think, is dramatic because this man is on the run. The FBI has put him on the list of most wanted in this country. He doesn`t have a ponytail anymore, and he is clean-shaven, and he was even bragging about it in the convenience store.
GRACE: You`re right. I heard that, Jean. And I`m wondering what else we can learn from that surveillance video. For instance, it`s my understanding that observers see him come in and leave on foot. That means he`s not in a vehicle.
If he is in a vehicle, what could it be? Is there a stolen vehicle in the area? We don`t know of a family car. In fact, authorities are being very careful not to release a car description so as not to make people hone in on that description when he could be in something entirely different.
FBI also saying the children`s image, their appearance, may be altered, partially because of what we see Mayes has done himself.
What are we learning, Dave Mack, joining us, WAAX, from the two women behind bars?
DAVE MACK, WAAX: Actually, we`re learning a lot, Nancy. This was a planned out, plotted idea that they were going to get these children into the custody of Adam Mayes. That was the entire goal, when you look at what his wife was saying and how his mother was complicit in that she knew that was their goal. They went there with the express idea of taking the children. Adam Mayes has claimed their his children biologically. So has his wife, Teresa, that they were Adam`s.
GRACE: Oh, good lord in heaven! I almost wish I hadn`t asked you, Dave Mack! To hear that spread across the airwaves, what could be more hurtful now to this husband and father who`s waiting for the return of his children, to have it put on the national media that his wife had some relationship -- let`s just put it out there -- a sex relationship with Adam Mayes.
That is absolutely -- I don`t see it, and I`ll tell you why. He killed her. If they had a hot, torrid relationship going on and these are really his biological children, why would she stop him at the risk of her own life, and why would he kill her? This is a crazy...
MACK: I`m with you there, Nancy.
GRACE: ... crazy thing he cooked up in his head! In fact, I have heard from the murder victim`s husband, the father, the husband in this, that he is absolutely positive there is no such relationship. And now, in addition to losing her life trying to protect her children, she`s being dragged through the mud? This guy is a freak!
Look at it! Come on! Look at it, lawyers, Holly Hughes, Hugo Rodriguez, Paula Bloom -- you`re the shrink -- Pat Brown, Marc Klaas, weigh in. You got a 35-year-old white male still living with his mommy! Never held a job, was into drugs, into booze.
This is going to answer it all. Hold the lawyers. I`m going to Kurt Brown, lived across the street from murder suspect Adam Mayes, we believe on the run with two little girls tonight.
Kurt Brown, I want to hear about him coming to your house and asking to buy Viagra by the pill.
KURT BROWN, FMR. NEIGHBOR OF ADAM MAYES (via telephone): Yes, he`d come over to the house. And you know, he`s always been drinking. Every time (INAUDIBLE) be drinking. And he`d come to the house and everything was just fine. But he just -- he said he was needing some help, and as soon as he asked me, asked if I could get him some Viagra, which I don`t never mess with anything like that, but he was willing to pay $10 a pill just to get some Viagra. And I know him and Teresa don`t even do anything like that. So I wasn`t really sure who it was for or what. But I told him I didn`t know where anything like that was.
GRACE: With me is Kurt Brown, who lives across the street from Adam Mayes, joining us exclusively tonight out of Alpine, Mississippi. Kurt, what about this wife? Was she his wife or his ex-wife?
K. BROWN: Well, by my understanding, it`s his wife. But I mean, they never -- they never really appeared like they were together. I mean, they wouldn`t even sleep in the same bed. Everybody in Alpine knows that.
GRACE: So he was living...
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GRACE: Do what?
K. BROWN: He made it loud and clear to anybody that knew him that him and his wife, or ex-wife, whatever you want to call her, they did not even sleep in the same bed together.
GRACE: Did this guy ever have a job?
K. BROWN: No, ma`am, not that I know of. I mean, I`ve known him to do a mechanic work, but besides that, I`ve never known of him having one.
GRACE: So he just sat at home in his mother`s house all day and stewed (ph), drank and did drugs?
K. BROWN: Yes, ma`am, as far as I know.
GRACE: Well, there`s a disaster waiting to happen. And now to top it all off -- to you, Pat Brown, criminal profiler -- now, in some zany connection, people are trying to claim the mother, the murder victim, slept with this guy? That is complete BS. I`m disgusted! It makes my stomach turn to think that news outlets are seizing upon that and putting it out there as some sick motive for this guy to take these girls!
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Yes, Nancy. I think what they`re forgetting is this guy is a psychopath. We can see that in the video. Here he is, totally calm, walking about right after he`s already murdered two people. This is what a psychopath does. He has no empathy, no feelings.
And now we`re finding out that he`s got all kinds of other issues, and no doubt he`s a pathological liar who manipulates and uses people and weasels his way into people`s lives to get what he can get out of them. So would I believe him? Heck, no. No.
GRACE: Liz, let me see that picture of him propped up on that -- it looks like a Harley, a hog. Let`s see that again. He`s got two of the girls with him. No, not that one. It`s of him on a motorcycle.
And he keeps being pictured with two of the girls, Martin Savidge. We know he`s got two of the girls with him that, according to authorities, he allegedly -- there you go, once again with two of the girls.
Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent, I`m just wondering, since he believes in his mind he had a relationship with this woman, does he think two of these girls are his biological girls and the other one that he killed is not?
SAVIDGE: You know, Nancy, I can`t answer that question. I mean, it`s clear he was described by many people in the community there as very close to the kids, that he looked at those kids as his own. Are they making a biological reference or are they just making a close proximity? I can`t answer that.
Of course, the real concern is how is he caring for those girls now? What condition are they in? How are they being held? We know, again, according to the police documents, when they were taken from their home, they were heavily restricted. They were either bound up or in some way that they could not possibly flee as they were forced to get into the vehicle and ride with their mother`s body.
And now, how are they being fed? How or where are they being housed? And when and how can they be found? That`s the critical thing.
GRACE: Savidge, I guarantee you that these two of the three girls we keep seeing pictured with -- guarantee you he thinks they`re his biological children and he killed the other one and he killed the mother. And he`s got these two with him, and that`s why authorities believe they are still alive because this freak believes they are his girls!
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance video shows Mayes in a Mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve known Adam for at least 25 years, and he`s always been weird and unusual.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mayes even listed himself as the girls` brother on his FaceBook page.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The girls actually called him Uncle Adam.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother and the oldest daughter were found dead in the back yard of Mayes`s home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a manhunt now for a family friend.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police and the FBI are canvassing two states to capture kidnapping suspect Adam Mayes and save two little girls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`ve seen these kids, call.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An urgent situation with those other two girls.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let us know where the kids are.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very aggressive person.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s considered armed and dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re announcing the addition of Adam Christopher Mayes to the FBI`s 10 Most Wanted fugitives list.
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GRACE: Please, please, help us tonight. These two little girls` lives hang in the balance. There is a $175,000 reward for their safe return. We are looking for suspected killer Adam Mayes. We believe he`s got with him still alive two little girls. We believe that he has Kyliyah and Alexandria Bain. We also believe that he wrongly perceives that they are his biological children.
We are taking your calls. I want to go straight out to Fred Kessler. He is the principal at Bolivar Central High School, where Adrienne attended 9th grade.
Fred, thank you for being with us.
FRED KESSLER, PRINCIPAL, ADRIENNE`S HIGH SCHOOL (via telephone): You`re welcome.
GRACE: Mr. Kessler, I understand that many people have described her as shy, sweet, studious. What can you tell me?
KESSLER: Well, I`d agree with all of those adjectives. She was a very good girl. She was very conscientious about her studies. Her friends would say that she was very loyal to them. She had several friends. She was a 9th-grader, but had made friends. And those friends thought of her as being very loyal and a good friend.
GRACE: Did you come in contact with her mother?
KESSLER: No. Her mother had gone to school at Bolivar Central back in 1990 -- late `90s. But I don`t remember her at that time, and I had not seen her mother...
GRACE: Well, Fred...
KESSLER: ... any time recently.
GRACE: Fred, based on what you know of this child -- she apparently has been murdered at the hands of Bain. (SIC) Do you know anything about her sisters?
KESSLER: No, I do not know anything. We`re just all hoping and praying that they will be OK and returned back to us.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities have now confirmed that JoAnn Bain and her oldest daughter, 14-year-old Adrienne, dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were buried in shallow graves in the back yard of a Mississippi home that belonged to the suspect, Adam Mayes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) He was creepy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wanted to keep them there with him and not let them go back to Arizona.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is considered armed and very dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI wants to find this guy more than ever.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Federal, state and local law enforcement personnel from Tennessee and Mississippi and elsewhere are continuing around-the- clock efforts to locate 12-year-old Alexandria Bain and 8-year-old Kyliyah Bain, as well as Adam Mayes, who is now wanted for murder and kidnapping charges.
Alexandria and Kyliyah are believed to still be with Adam Mayes. Their father, Mr. Bain, is certainly grieving the loss of his wife and his eldest daughter, but he has asked to us convey to the public his urgent plea for any information that could lead to the safe return of Alexandria and Kyliyah.
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GRACE: He is on the run, we believe, with two little girls that we pray are still alive.
With me, Kurt Brown, neighbor of 35-year-old white male Adam Mayes. Mr. Brown, again, thank you for being with us. Do you have any idea what car he may be in?
K. BROWN: No, ma`am, I have no idea. The only thing I know that he does have is that Harley. And that`s all that I know of.
GRACE: Is the Harley still parked there, or is it gone?
K. BROWN: No, it`s gone.
GRACE: So the Harley`s gone?
K. BROWN: Yes.
GRACE: Well, there`s the picture of him with the two little girls on the Harley, although that would be something that people definitely would remember if they see a guy going by with two passengers on a Harley.
What about any vehicles the family may have had, Mr. Brown?
K. BROWN: I know they had, like, a little -- it`s like a little -- it`s, like, a little car, a Toyota. I think it`s a little Celica car that they have. I`m not sure, but I mean...
GRACE: What color?
K. BROWN: Red.
GRACE: Mr. Brown, did you ever see the girls at Mayes`s home?
K. BROWN: Yes, ma`am, they was there all the time. They didn`t want...
GRACE: What about...
K. BROWN: ... to go anywhere else.
GRACE: So he kind of kept them there? What about the mother?
K. BROWN: I mean, she was there, but I hardly ever seen her.
GRACE: And how would you describe their relationship?
K. BROWN: As far as I knew, there was no problem. I mean, I don`t know what really caused all this besides knowing the fact that they was moving back to Arizona.
GRACE: On the eve before he takes his wife and children across the country for health reasons, to battle asthma, his wife and three little girls vanish. Now the suspect charged with murder and on the run with two of the children, Adam Mayes. You are seeing pictures right now of grainy surveillance video just released in the search for Adam Mayes.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: New surveillance video emerging of the country`s most wanted man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man right here --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Adam Mayes.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Adam Mayes --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is this the video clue to finally crack this case?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Surveillance video shows Mayes in a Mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is armed and dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He`s on the run.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did say that Adam had threatened to kill her and she was scared to death.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Armed and very dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very aggressive person.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Arrests that have been made of the wife or ex-wife and Mayes` 65-year-old mother.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jo Ann Bain and her eldest daughter were buried in shallow graves.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They have been back in the backyard digging up soil samples.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Mayes could be anywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A federal complaint has been filed in U.S. district court for the Western District of Tennessee charging Adam Mayes with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. A federal warrant for Mayes has been issued to facilitate participation of the FBI and other federal law enforcement officials in this ongoing investigation.
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: We are taking your calls. I want to go out to Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent.
What I am learning from the federal documents right now is that Adam Mayes` wife, she is not his ex, admits she was involved in the removal or, quote, "confinement," of these two individuals and removal of two corpses, and that she assisted in driving a vehicle containing the victims from Harvard County to Union County.
What more do we know, Martin?
SAVIDGE: Well, I mean, just the image of what you describe right there is horrific. We now, of course, begin to understand that this was a carefully worked out plot, that this had been planned way ahead of time and that he had the involvement of his wife and now appears to have also had some assistance from his mother.
But we learn now that there is a murder that takes place in the home in Tennessee. The famed family home. And that`s where Jo Ann is killed, and that`s where Adrienne is killed, and that their bodies are loaded in the same vehicle that transports the two young girls, 8- and 12-year-old, and drives them off to Mississippi and now points unknown.
GRACE: Joining me right now, Marc Klaas, president and founder, KlaasKids Foundation.
Marc, what do we do?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION (via phone): Well, listen, this guy is a brother, he`s a father, he`s a cousin, he`s a little bit of everything. He`s a loser who has finally gotten the attention he`s never had.
Here is what`s going on. The police have spread a very wide net here. They know that this guy is desperate. They`re equally as desperate to get these children back. They can only do that with the public`s help, so what the public has to do is they have to be on the lookout for a tall, slim man with a 12- and 8-year-old girl all with probably bad haircuts and they`ll be in convenience stores, they`ll be in fast food outlets, they`ll be in highway motels, they`ll be on freeway on-ramps, off-ramps, on the freeway.
And if you see them, you need to note that information, immediately contact the authorities, and do not under any circumstances approach this raving lunatic.
GRACE: We are hearing right now that apparently he has sold his Harley and is using that money to be on the -- to be on the run with these two little girls.
Let me ask you this, Ellie Jostad, in that area what`s the closest train station, and has it been searched?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Nancy, I`m not sure about the closest train station. I know that they do have checkpoints all over the place. They`re checking vehicles. But this is a very rural county. I would imagine that the closest train station would either be in Memphis or Jackson, Tennessee.
GRACE: Ellie, what about a bus station?
JOSTAD: Bus stations, too. They are checking every place that this guy could possibly buy a ticket, get out of the state but, Nancy, the FBI continues to insist that they have no solid information that he has left the immediate area. They`re still focusing there on Union County, Tennessee. They think it`s possible he could still be right there. Neighbors think he might even be living in the woods nearby.
GRACE: You know, it`s one thing to live in the woods. It`s another thing to live in the woods with two little girls.
JOSTAD: Good point.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Holly Hughes, Hugo Rodriguez.
First of all, Holly Hughes, you were a prosecutor along with me before you became a defense attorney, long story short, when you want to find a fugitive, go to his mother. Unfortunately, in this case, mommy`s behind bars for helping him. So there are just a few places that you would expect him to go. Weigh in.
HOLLY HUGHES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right, Nancy. He is going to -- if he believes, if he is deluded as we talked about earlier and believes these children are his, he`s going to want to keep them safe, so he`s going to go to somebody that he knows and try and stay off of the radar. His goal was because of a delusion that these children belong to him is to take them and live safely with them.
So he`s going to try and keep them somewhere where he can keep them from harm. I don`t see him living out in the woods and endangering them.
GRACE: That`s what I`m thinking. OK, Hugo?
HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, FMR. FBI AGENT: Adam Mayes, get a competent lawyer. We need those girls and we`ll do everything we can to represent you, but we`re in a better position if you get to a lawyer and those girls are given up to authorities. Then we`ll deal with your representation and your defense.
GRACE: Hugo Rodriguez, reality check, OK. There`s a warrant out he murdered the mother and the 14-year-old girl, and your initial thought is, sir, get a lawyer.
OK, I`ll come back to you.
RODRIGUEZ: Wait, no, no, no, no, Nancy.
GRACE: Let me go out to -- no, no, I heard you.
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RODRIGUEZ: We want the two girls delivered safely. Then we will deal with him. That`s when --
GRACE: Yes, I heard you the first time.
Steve Moore, you were a former fed with the FBI, violent crime investigator. Help me out here. The feds, I think, had him, were questioning him. They let him go. Now I`ve got two dead women and two little girls with him on the run.
STEVE MOORE, FMR. FBI AGENT, VIOLENT CRIME INVESTIGATOR: I think you`ll find that that was the local sheriff`s department that interviewed him --
GRACE: Yes, you`re right. You`re right. Go ahead.
MOORE: But, yes, right now I think this guy -- I disagree a little bit. I don`t think that this guy has the mental capacity, the experience to function anywhere but that small little area of the world. He`s never had a job. He`s been a mama`s boy. Right now I think he`s in the area. I think the indications are from the FBI SWAT teams going out in Woodland camo, that they`re looking for him in the woods, like I did when I was on SWAT, when we did Eric Rudolph.
I think what -- right now what I would be doing is leaning on mommy and wifey and asking them if they have any phobia of needles because that`s where they`re headed. You know, do we need to give you a sedative before we -- before we put the needles in you or you can help us find this guy before the girls are killed because, listen, they`re on the hook now for what happens to these other two girls.
And if they don`t cough him up pretty quick or find somebody who can, they`re in this deep or deeper than he is.
GRACE: You know, Steve Moore, you certainly can put perfume on a pig, can`t you? Calling this guy a mommy`s boy, that`s a heck of a nice way to put it. He laid up in his mother`s house, who is now implicated in the murder of these two women, a mother and a 14-year-old girl, all right? That`s a heck of a far cry from being a mommy`s boy.
Now I`m very familiar with your participation in the search for the Olympic bomber, Eric Rudolph, who managed to elude federal authorities for years in the wilderness, but it`s a far different cry when you have two girls with you that I think he wants to keep alive.
To Dr. Michelle Dupree. Doctor, weigh in regarding -- you`re in South Carolina. We`re talking with about the Mississippi area and the Tennessee area and the wilderness there. How can you possibly elude authorities with two little girls with you?
DR. MICHELLE DUPREE, MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, I think that would be very difficult, but it is such a rural area that if you were to contain the girls, have them bound in some way, you may not be found for a very long time.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Kidnapping suspect Adam Mayes --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is a wanted person --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Armed and dangerous --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The FBI wants to find this guy more than ever.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man right here --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities now pointing fingers at Adam Mayes.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Adam Mayes, after two bodies were found in a home where he had been staying --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two bodies were found buried in a shallow grave in Mayes` backyard.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is armed and dangerous.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He`s on the run.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s our goal to find these girls, bring them home alive.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The state of Tennessee, the U.S. Marshals, and two FBI offices located in Memphis and Jackson, Mississippi, have combined to push the total amount to $175,000.
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GRACE: The lives of two little girls hang in the balance tonight. On the run, 35-year-old white male Adam Mayes now charged in the murder of a mother and her 14-year-old child.
Ellie, tell me about the charges?
JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, there is nothing so far to indicate Mary Mayes, the mother, was actually present when these murders happened. Right now she is just facing four counts of conspiracy to commit especially aggravated kidnapping, but it is the wife and Adam Mayes, the suspect, who are charged with those two counts of first-degree murder in addition to the kidnapping charges. So they`re all facing a lot of jail time here, Nancy. Or even --
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GRACE: You know what, it`s a matter of time, it`s a matter of time before they`re all charged with murder. Charges be damned. All I care about right now is can we get these girls back home safely?
I`m a little confused. Do I still have Martin Savidge with me?
Martin, why do they believe he hasn`t left the area?
SAVIDGE: Well, one, because we haven`t been talking about a vehicle and the other is because he was seen at that convenience store. It`s also believed that perhaps it was his wife and his mother that had been supplying in some way, providing the support to keep him in the area. We base this mainly because that`s where the focus of the federal investigation is. That`s where most of the agents are on a local and federal level.
They are still in Mississippi. They have notified other states, they have notified other locations but the manpower, the searching, the roadblocks, all of that taking place in Mississippi. And from the officials that I talked to, their gut is he`s still in that area.
GRACE: Judy, Kentucky, hi, Judy, what`s your question?
JUDY, CALLER FROM KENTUCKY: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I`m just curious as to looking at the surveillance video, is there any cameras on the outside of the store, and also, did he purchase anything at the convenience store that makes authorities believe that the kids are alive?
GRACE: Out to you, Dave Mack, WAAX.
DAVE MACK, TALK SHOW HOST, WAAX: There are cameras outside the store. They haven`t released that footage. Eyewitnesses said that he was not in a vehicle, that he was walking in and out of the store. Also, he didn`t purchase anything for the kids. He picked up some smokes for himself and a can of coke and that was it. So that`s all we know.
GRACE: I was especially interested in the child and the other adult right behind him. We`ve investigated that. They apparently are not connected to him in any way.
Paula Bloom, clinical psychologist, why would a wife and a mother go along with murder, standing by while two dead bodies that they know, they know these people, are buried in the backyard.
Right. Pat Brown said it before. I mean this guy is a sociopath.
PAULA BLOOM, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, BLOGGER, PAULABLOOM.COM: Here`s something that I`m worried about, why we need to find these girls right away. We`ve seen pictures of him having a -- looks like a very good relationship with them. What`s going to happen to how his ego is going to react to them, going from loving to him to being terrified of him, and rejecting him and cowering in fear?
That really worries me for the safety of these girls. How is he going to respond to that change in their relationship?
GRACE: Out to the lines, Frank, New Hampshire. Hi, Frank, what`s your question?
FRANK, CALLER NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hi, Nancy. A huge fan of yours. And I think you`re --
GRACE: Thank you.
FRANK: My question was about the little girl in the surveillance video. She kind of looks like she could have been one of the two girls.
GRACE: I know. When I first saw that, I couldn`t believe it. I was wondering why didn`t she speak out, is that her? I had the same immediate urge that you did to investigate her and, Frank, it`s not one of the little girls and it made me remember Shasta Groene. You remember Shasta and Dylan Groene, a stranger invaded their home, killed the family, took the boy and the girl, molested the boy repeatedly, murdered him and had the girl on the run.
She was spotted in a convenience store and later found, I think, at a Denny`s, I believe it was. So, yes, that was my initial thought. Not one of the girls, and he didn`t buy anything for the girls unless they smoke and drink sodas.
Kelly in Arkansas, hi, Kelly. What`s your question?
KELLY, CALLER FROM ARKANSAS: Yes, Nancy, first a comment. I want to thank you for being a source of my inspiration to going to get my degree, and this Saturday I graduate with my major in sociology in criminal justice from the University of Arkansas.
GRACE: God bless you.
KELLY: So I look forward to hopefully joining the ranks with you one day. My question is, people like him, the sociopath and psychotic person that he is, they do not operate alone. And, as you know, what we`ve learned in studies and stuff is blood is thicker than water. That mother of his has got to know the full case of what he`s doing, where he`s going, who he is with.
You know, he supposedly sold his Harley, you know, he sold it to someone he knows or knows of him and knows its value. My question is, the government and the people that are investigating this, are they bringing all these people in and sitting them down and you know, and giving them the pressure that is needed to, you know, crack the mom, crack the wife and everybody that`s associated with it?
Because someone in his family or someone knows what he`s going to do. Or we`re going to end up having an instance like the gentleman out in Oregon, you know, who ended up taking his life and his two sons.
GRACE: That`s my fear, too, Kelly, is that we`re going to find both little girls murdered and him having committed suicide in some motel somewhere.
Steve Moore, former fed, FBI, let`s answer Kelly in Arkansas` question. What`s it going to take to crack this mom and this wife? You know, as far as I`m concerned, they`re she-devils that should go right back to hell.
MOORE: Well, like I said, you`ve got to lean on them a little bit and fully explain to them where they`re headed with this, and talk to them about the fact that they have one shot to avoid the greenroom. And that would be something that I would be hitting right now.
The other thing the caller asked, some of his friends, yes, they are going to be pulling in and leaning on him really hard but some of his other friends, they`re not going to be talking to at all. They`re just going to be following. This is going to be a very carefully run fugitive investigation. Time is crucial.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Holly Hughes, Hugo Rodriguez, and let me throw in Jean Casarez, lawyer and legal correspondent, "In Session."
Jean, do we have any idea if this guy has a cell phone? I`m guessing no.
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": We have no idea at all. I think the most important thing, Nancy, which you started the show with, the video. Look at his body type. Look at his t-shirt, what does it say? Is look at his necklace. Those are identifying features because I don`t think he has too many clothes with him.
GRACE: OK, Holly Hughes, what can we do to make the mom and the wife crack?
HUGHES: I think they`ve already begun to do it, Nancy, because they have statements from them. That`s what they`re basing the arrest warrant --
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GRACE: They`re not telling where he is, Holly.
All right, Hugo --
HUGHES: Nancy --
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GRACE: Here is your chance.
HUGHES: They may not know. They`re locked up.
RODRIGUEZ: I`m going to agree --
GRACE: Come one, people.
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GRACE: Where does a crab go in his shell? They know where this guy would go, Hugo.
RODRIGUEZ: The strongest thing they have is what the -- Mr. Moore said. They have to put some pressure on both both of them. They`re arrested. They`re looking at some heavy duty charges. They have to know his propensity. They have to know where he goes, they have to know where he`s at. And those paper plates in the woods. I think his analysis is right on. This fellow is going to be in the immediate area. They need to push that hard.
GRACE: Holly, I think mommy and wife need a little tour of old sparky.
HUGHES: And they may get it, Nancy. But honestly we have heard the wife`s sister was interviewed, and she said that her sister was scared to death, had had her life threatened, and maybe developmentally disabled. So we don`t know that his wife necessarily knows where he is now. She told the police what she knows. She gave him what she had. But she may have a mental disability, Nancy, that keeps her from --
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GRACE: Well, you know, she did a pretty good job aiding and abetting in murder.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: With their lives in the balance, the manhunt is now focused on Union County, Mississippi, where the girl`s mother and sister were found dead.
SAVIDGE: They think that the 8-year-old and the 12-year-old are still alive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hopefully I think that one day they would be his family.
SAVIDGE: They believe that their appearances have been altered.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adam, if you`re watching or anybody who knows where Adam is, get those kids to safety.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Sheila in Tennessee. Hi, Sheila. What`s your question?
SHEILA, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Hi. I was wondering why when hay had got the man that kidnapped the children, the first 72 hours, why didn`t they hold him, besides letting him go when they was questioning him?
GRACE: God help us all, Sheila. Why didn`t they hold him, Jean Casarez?
CASAREZ: To be very legal, they must not have believed there was probable cause he committed a crime. But Nancy, they were dead already. He`d killed them in the garage, allegedly, already.
GRACE: But you know, in response to that, she`s right. Jean Casarez is right. The two murder victims were dead. But we could have saved the two little girls. We`d know where they were tonight, Martin Savidge.
SAVIDGE: And I`m going to clip at what you said, Nancy, which is the fact that you believe and many believe that he thinks these kids are his own, and thereby he`s going to love and care for them. That`ll give the time for authorities to find them. But it`s going to have to come probably from a tip from the public. That`s what we`re hoping on, though.
GRACE: But you know, Martin, if this guy is what I think he is, he`ll kill the girls and himself. He`ll go down in a blaze of glory in his own mind, Martin. He`s already killed. Now he`s got these two girls, and I think he would kill them rather than give himself up.
Let`s stop and remember, Navy Hospitalman Dustin Burnett, 19 years old, Bullhead City, Arizona, killed Afghanistan. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Combat Action National Defense Service Medal. A Navy medic between docks. Loved football, video games, college. Leaves behind parents Debbie and Donald. Brother Devon.
Dustin Burnett, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us.
You want to stay tuned for Dr. Drew coming up next. And I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.
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