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Tapes Released from Night of Girl`s Disappearance;Fugitive Obsessed with Kidnapped Sisters; Fighting over Fracking; Jane`s Stress-Free Slim- Down Adventure

Aired May 10, 2012 - 19:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live from New York City.

New police audiotapes from the very morning 6-year-old Isabel Celis was discovered missing. You will hear them only on this show. We`ve obtained them exclusively.

Also, new surveillance video shows the man police believe is connected to another bedroom assault just miles from Isabel`s home. Are these two cases connected? Exclusive information next.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, one of the FBI`s most wanted fugitives` mother-in-law speaks out. Did suspected murderer and kidnapper Adam Mayes believe these two young girls were his daughters?

Mayes allegedly took off with the two children after killing their mom and older sister. Now his mother-in-law is giving us chilling insight into the mind and possible motives of this madman and her own daughter, the woman accused of being his accomplice. You`ll hear from the mother-in-law tonight.

And new developments in the disappearance of little Isabel Celis. Our show has exclusively obtained the police-scanner audio from the morning the 6-year-old girl was reported missing. Are there discrepancies? Did her parents change their story?

Then, growing fear of fire in the faucets. Americans against fracking take to the streets of Michigan. Will oil and gas drilling turn their water toxic? Should you be worried?

Plus, even Jessica Simpson packed on the pounds during her pregnancy. Now she`s reportedly signed a multimillion-dollar slim-down deal. Tonight, join me in an adventure that will melt off the pounds. I`m offering you a simple, no-stress answer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a parent`s worst nightmare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have very little information to go on here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Six-year-old Isabel Celis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now on the hunt for missing 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis, searching the home where a 6-year-old girl vanished over the weekend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and a possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Checking each and every car that went in and out of this east-side neighborhood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was checked on this morning at about 8 a.m.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They woke up Saturday, and she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Found that she was not in her room at that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Six-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators found, quote, "suspicious circumstances" in Isabel`s bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had a window that was open and the screen removed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation has hit a roadblock.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Contacted each and every one of the identified sex offenders that within -- live within a three-mile radius.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have bloodhounds that are checking areas, will pick up any scent of the little girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isabel`s parent were questioned all night long.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family has been cooperating with us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s just not a possibility if you knew this family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re not ruling out anything in this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s just no possible way that the family would have anything to do with this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We place everything in the hands of God. Her mother is beside herself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still no sign of Isabel, and the clock continues to tick.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t think anything like that would actually happen to you.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, exclusive new developments in the mystery of Isabel Celis` disappearance that you will only see on this show.

We`ve obtained exclusive audio from the police as they responded to the disappearance and possible kidnapping of a 6-year-old. You will hear exactly what cops said and heard as it was happening, starting with this very first dispatch to Isabel`s home that fateful morning. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ll analyze more of this audio, which was obtained exclusively, in just moments, but first another big development.

Tonight, Arizona cops hunting for this man captured on surveillance video at a convenience store. Sheriff`s deputies want to talk to him about a nearby, unsolved sexual assault case involving a young girl that occurred around the date that Isabel vanished. Could these two cases be connected?

That assault happened just ten miles away from Isabel`s home. Cops say a man broke into a bedroom where three little girls were sleeping and sexually assaulted at least one of them. There are scary similarities between that case and missing Isabel Celis.

Both happened in the middle of the night, both in Tucson homes in girls` bedrooms. And in both case, little girls were the apparent target.

Now cops want to find this man in connection with the case. Take a good look. White male, 20s, wearing a green, sleeveless shirt, dark shorts.

So many developments. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877-586-7297.

With me tonight investigative reporter and our new JVM contributor, Jon Lieberman.

Jon, good work. Excellent work. You obtained exclusively and analyzed these police scanner tapes. And we`re going to go through them with you in depth, because you have found discrepancies between what we`ve been told about the child`s disappearance and what these scanner tapes reveal.

But first straight out to KGUN reporter Jessica Chapin on the ground in Tucson.

Jessica, what is the very latest?

JESSICA CHAPIN, REPORTER, KGUN: Well, the very latest is that there is still not very much information to report from the Tucson Police Department.

They did release the amount of money spent on the investigation so far; it tops $1 million. They still have about 50 people involved in the investigation, combing through more than 1,000 leads that people have called into their crime-stoppers tips line, but still those searches, the possible sightings, have yielded nothing in being able to track down the missing 6-year-old.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have you seen the parents out there searching at a command post? Or are they pretty much behind the scenes at this point?

CHAPIN: You know, they did make a couple of public appearances last week on Friday. They did sit down with local media. They talked to our station and a couple of others giving a very detailed interview with us. Saturday they were at one of the fundraisers, but since Saturday, really, we haven`t seen them out in the public eye.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Jessica, stand by. We`re going to get back to you.

Here is more of this exclusive police audio from the scanners, the police scanners, the very morning Isabel was discovered missing. Listen closely to who they say is on the scene of the crime.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that is fascinating. Isabel`s mom was not there. We were told she woke up the morning of Isabel`s disappearance and left for work at 7:30 in the morning for her job as a nurse, and then we were told the father went to wake up Isabel at 8 a.m. and she was gone.

But in this audiotape, Jon Lieberman, police are saying the complainant was the sister. Now Isabel has no sisters, just brothers. If the father discovered his daughter missing, why is the father not the one who is the complainant when the cops showed up at the scene?

JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CORRESPONDENT: That`s the key question. The first thing that stuck out to me when I listened to the tape was there a huge, massive police response very quickly.

The second thing, though, when I started examining it, was just what you mentioned, which was that they say the complainant was a sister, and Mom was coming home.

Now, we do know Mom was apparently at work, so Mom`s coming home, but there`s no mention of Dad at all. And Dad clearly was not the one who called 911.

And add that to the fact that the parents and the extended family, nobody has been ruled out as suspects. They haven`t been named suspect, but they haven`t been ruled out either.

And so we are starting to get a more fuller glimpse of what is going on here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s very strange to me. You`d think it would be the dad. And there you`re seeing some of the family members going in and out of the house as they were interviewed by law enforcement, taken back to the house and questioned by detectives.

Let`s get back to this new audio of the police scanner talk that we`ve obtained exclusively, chatter from the first moments cops learned little Isabel had vanished. Listen to this. It`s the first time anyone heard any details about the missing child.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The missing child from 5602 East 12th, last seen yesterday at 2200 hours. Isabel Celis, number one female, 4 foot, brown hair, hazel eyes, born in 2005, had her hair in braids. Last seen wearing a pink tank top and navy shorts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, the key there is that they said 2200 hours. That`s military lingo meaning 10 p.m., OK, but after Isabel vanished the media told us the child was put to sleep and last seen an hour later. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The child was last seen as she went to bed at 11 p.m. Friday night and then at 8 a.m. Saturday morning is when they discovered her missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Spell out the discrepancy -- discrepancy there, Jon.

LIEBERMAN: Well, the clear discrepancy is clearly the call came out. Whoever called into police, this female who the dispatcher thought was the sister, but as you mentioned there is no sister.

So who is that female? But whoever that female was apparently told police -- you heard it right there -- that the last time the girl was seen was when she was put to bed at 10 p.m. at night. But then police came out and said 11 p.m. at night.

So who is this mystery woman who police -- who called into the dispatcher that you just heard?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Arthur Roderick, you`re a former assistant director of the U.S. Marshals who has caught numerous men on the most wanted list. I want to get your take on this, because is it -- we`ll throw this out to Joe Gomez, senior investigative reporter, KTRH News Radio.

Is it natural to expect that there are going to be discrepancies with the many criminal cases that you covered, that this is just human nature. People are under the gun. They`re stressed; they`re hysterical. They`re not going to remember. They`re not looking at their watch like they`re -- they`ve got a dental appointment -- Joe.

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH NEWS RADIO: That`s right, Jane. I mean, you know, typically, look, you woke up in the middle of the night and you found out that your daughter was missing, I mean, certainly you would be severely distressed.

It concerns me that they say that there`s a woman`s voice, you know, on the phone when there was no woman present.

Now, there`s a lot of discrepancies in this case that police are still not, you know, fully disclosing. They`re not telling us all of the details in missing Isabel`s case, which I mean, I understand why they`re keeping a lot of this stuff close to the vest, Jane, but at the same time it leads the American public to jump to conclusions like this.

So I think we`re just going to have to wait and see what police disclose in the end, but this is really -- I mean, it`s very concerning.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, author of "Till Death Do Us Part." We`re seeing discrepancies. To recap and review, the two key discrepancies, we were told the child was put to sleep and last seen at 11 p.m. The police dispatcher says 10 p.m. That`s an hour`s difference.

Also, we`re hearing that the dad was the one who found the child missing, discovered the child missing, but he is not the one who is meeting police who are arriving at the scene, which raises the question why not? Where would the dad be? Now, could he be scanning the neighborhood, running around hysterically, going door to door, looking for the child?

He`s not considered a suspect. There`s no suspects here, but nobody`s been eliminated as a suspect.

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. As we know, we have to look at the families in this case, because we don`t really know anything about them. And when there are missing pieces of a puzzle like this, especially when it comes to a child abduction, it`s natural to fill it in with the worst possible scenario.

Was this father abusive in any way? Is he avoiding the police because he doesn`t want to reveal any guilt?

But the truth of the matter is we need more information. And unfortunately, we know it is possible for little girls to be abducted from their homes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is possible, and this whole thing of the window being open and the screen being out, we have to take a look at that, because that`s what the police were told on these scanners, Joe.

GOMEZ: Absolutely. I mean, you hear in the initial dispatch, you know, whoever called said that she wasn`t in bed, that they searched the house, and they found her bedroom window open and the screen outside.

The reason why this dispatch is so important, as well, is police are going to compare all the statements they took initially at the scene with subsequent statements, too, to see if the stories are consistent or if they contradict one another. And therein lies the real important part of the beginning of the investigation.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: More tape, more discrepancies on the other side of the break.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the 1-6, could you update the description? It`s actually a navy blue tank top with "Old Navy" writing and navy blue basketball shorts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you are listening to more of that exclusive audio from the night little Isabel disappeared. You will only hear it right here on the show. And here is what police reported about how Isabel was discovered missing. Listen closely.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When the father went to get her up, she was not in the bed. He searched the residence and found her bedroom window open and the screen on the ground outside.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the police are confirming that it was Isabel`s father who went to find her, and she wasn`t there. You`re looking at Isabel`s father and mother right there. He`s been very emotional at news conferences.

So again, you`ve got to wonder why he`s not the one reporting this child missing. So I certainly don`t want to point the finger.

And I`m going to take this out to Jessica Chapin, reporter, KGUN. She is on the ground in Tucson. But I will say -- we`ll go to Joe Gomez on this, senior investigative reporter, KTRS News Radio.

The parents have said outright in a recent news conference, they had nothing to do with this. At first they were criticized for not going out there and beating the bushes immediately. Then they were criticized for not answering reporters` questions.

Now they`ve answered reporters` questions, and still, people are kind of wondering, given that -- well, take a look at this new, exclusive information that we`ve obtained, saying the dad discovered the child missing, and nevertheless, he was not the complainant calling authorities.

GOMEZ: Well, Jane, I mean, we weren`t there. We didn`t know the exact circumstances that, you know, went down when they discovered that Isabel were missing. We`re just basing this on evidence that we have right now from some scanner tape.

But what we do know, based on these interviews, is that this family is emotionally crippled. I mean, look, if I lost my daughter, I honestly don`t know what I would do. I think perhaps I wouldn`t talk to the media. I might just be paralyzed or frozen.

I mean, these folks haven`t even gone to work, Jane. They`ve been so distraught over missing Isabel. So I think it`s -- I think it`s too early to point the finger of blame at, let`s say, the family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

GOMEZ: But as we do know -- as we do know, though, Jane, and as you know in these abduction cases, typically, it`s never a stranger that abducts a child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go out to Charlie, Kentucky. Your question or thought, Charlie?

Hi. How are you doing?

CALLER: I`m doing all right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What`s your question?

CALLER: Could it could have been the kidnapper one that made the phone call?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Say that again? I`m going ask my E.P., what exactly did he say?

CALLER: I said could it have been the kidnapper or the cousin, the one that made the phone call?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon, did you hear what he`s saying?

LIEBERMAN: Could the kidnapper have made the phone call? Is that the question?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes. OK. That`s an interesting question. Could the person who is responsible for the disappearance of the child have been the one to make the...

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on baby Isabel, but we`re also keeping an eye on what`s trending. Here`s your "Viral Video of the Day."

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SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: I wish I knew where to begin. We are so frustrated to try to understand why this is happening, why this had to happen, why Isabel had to be targeted. We just don`t understand that.

And to whomever did this, please, look at her. Look at her. She`s beautiful. She doesn`t deserve this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was from "The Today Show." The parents very emotional.

Some people during that interview wondered why the father just didn`t just come out and say flat out, "Hey, we had nothing to do with Isabel`s disappearance."

And I think people have a tendency, Robi Ludwig, to judge. Because they haven`t walked in their shoes. Who knows how any of us would behave if something this extraordinary happened. We might not behave rationally. We might not come out and rationally say, "No, I did not have anything to do with it," because in our hearts we might know that we didn`t.

LUDWIG: Right. Or there could be strong parental guilt, period. Even if somebody isn`t directly involved with the crime, I know if a child was abducted or, my God forbid, child was abducted from my apartment I would feel responsible, whether I had something to do with it or not, because I wasn`t doing my job as a parent protecting my children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Arthur Roderick, you are a former assistant director of U.S. Marshals. You have caught numerous "most wanted" men. I want to ask you about one key fact that we haven`t gotten to here, is that police dogs hit on something at or near the house, which I think is perhaps the most significant aspect of all of this.

We`re listening to these exclusive tapes with some discrepancies in what we`ve been told from what cops were saying at first, but what do you make of the fact that police dogs hit on something at or near the house?

ARTHUR RODERICK, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS: Obviously, Jane -- good evening. Obviously, that`s an important, key part.

But I also think in some of your previous conversations with the other speakers, is that -- is that the mere fact that the marshal service is involved in this case could be some indication that there`s possibly sex offender involvement. That`s the marshal service jurisdiction, is the apprehension and location of unregistered sex offenders. And for them to be involved in this particular case with the FBI and state locals is of some significance.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. I think that`s a very good point. Let`s go out to the phone lines. Brenda, California, your question or thought, Brenda.

CALLER: Hi. Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I was wondering what the age group of the other girls were that were assaulted and...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The age of the other girls ten miles away. And my recollection, Joe Gomez, is that one was the exact same age as Isabel, 6, and then the second one was 8, and the third one was 10.

So there you have the three girls ten miles away who were confronted by this molester, they say. At least one of them was sexually assaulted. And now we have the new video; cops searching for this person that they want to talk about that.

So you heard Arthur Roderick say, hey, this could be a predator. That could lead back to that other case that happened ten miles away, Joe.

GOMEZ: That`s right, Jane. You know, look, I mean, given the circumstances here, the fact that these other girls were attacked, I mean, the fact that another predator struck. I mean, you know how many sex offenders there are in Arizona. There`s a ton. And it would -- it would make me want to sleep with my gun next to my bed, frankly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, again. The sex assault suspect, it is 20, dark hair, dark shorts and we saw some surveillance video. We are all over this story.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just when you thought this case wouldn`t get any sadder or any stranger.

JOSIE TATE, TERESA MAYES` MOTHER: The more I found out the more numb I became.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The wife here just now coming out saying she drove a vehicle containing four victims from Tennessee all of the way to Mississippi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes and his wife Teresa Mayes have both now been charged with two counts of first-degree murder.

TATE: There`s just no way. It just wasn`t Teresa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To the girls, first, I would want you to know that we are spending day and night, 24 hours a day to bring you back home to Tennessee.

TATE: If Teresa had anything to do with it, she was forced.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes people put up a facade. Sometimes the facade isn`t right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, he`s creepy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re announcing the addition of Adam Christopher Mayes to the FBI`s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List. Turn yourself in to law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I praise God if they want me to.

TATE: Please turn yourself in. Don`t hurt anybody else.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, a chilling portrait emerges of one of the most wanted fugitives in America. Toxic secrets from Adam Mayes mother-in-law take us inside the mind of this alleged madman. Can the two young sisters who cops say Mayes abducted be safe?

Disturbingly it`s becoming pretty clear that Adam Mayes believes he`s the father of two youngest Bain girls ages 8 and 12. These are the very same girls he kidnapped allegedly from their parents` home in Tennessee.

The attorney for Adam Mayes` wife said Adam was intent on stopping those girls from moving to Arizona. That was the plan. He so obsessed over them that he made them targets of his elaborate kidnapping plot that involved murder, allegedly.

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TATE: He lives, eats, sleeps and breathes nothing, but these two children.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. So that`s the suspect`s mother-in-law, Teresa Mayes` mom, same person now being interviewed by FBI agents in north Georgia.

Adam and his wife Teresa are both charged with murdering JoAnn Bain and 14-year-old daughter Adrienne at their Tennessee home. They`re accused of then fleeing to Mississippi, some 80 miles, with the victims` bodies along with the dead woman`s two youngest children, the two young hostages, Alexandria and Kyliyah Bain. Can you imagine that?

Teresa`s mom says her daughter is mentally challenged and suffers years of physical and psychological abuse at the hands of her husband. Even though Teresa admitted to police that she drove the bodies from Tennessee to Mississippi, her mom says there is absolutely no way that she was a willing participant in this deadly crime spree.

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TATE: There is just no way. It just wasn`t Teresa. If Teresa had anything to do with it she was forced.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And remember this woman is saying her daughter is mentally challenged as well. So was Teresa Mayes, brainwashed? Threatened? She is set to undergo a mental evaluation. Her public defender said Teresa was not present when JoAnn and Adrienne Bain were murdered.

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SHANA JOHNSON, TERESA MAYES` PUBLIC DEFENDER: She knows they were alive when she last saw them and, you know, I don`t -- it would just be speculation. I don`t believe she has any information to make her think otherwise at this point.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is Teresa just one of Adam Mayes alleged victims or was she a willing participant in a hideous plot to kidnap the children that involved killing the child`s mother and their older sister? Call me 1-877- JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Arthur Roderick; you used to help run the U.S. Marshals. You have helped capture a slew of men on the most wanted list. You helped solve the D.C. sniper case and got an arrest in that case. Well, now that this guy -- and that`s the D.C. sniper case.

So you are famous in this arena. Now this current suspect Adam Mayes is on the FBI`s Ten Most Wanted List, so what specifically, not just they`re doing everything to find him, but what, specifically, is being done, do you think, to find this man who has they believe two young girls with him.

ARTHUR RODERICK, FORMER ASST. DIRECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS: I mean first of all, you have to look at what`s been pulled together on this task force. You basically have the A-Team in law enforcement. You have the FBI who is investigatively one of the best agencies in the world. You have the U.S. Marshals who are the best fugitive hunters in the world. Last year they arrested 122,000 fugitives and over 2,000 of those fugitives were sex offenders.

You have state and local law enforcement agencies, obviously that are experts in the community. You have FBI SWAT teams. You have local SWAT teams. And when you pull this type of team together you have to look at making sure that everybody stays in their lanes of expertise. And then it`s up to the supervisors of these different agencies to come together on a regular basis and have meetings to exchange information and see where the next leads will lead to.

When I initially looked at this case and obviously followed it in the press, the first thing that came to my mind is this guy is a classic sex offender and he`s obsessed with these kids and not through any blood line. He`s not a relative of theirs.

I mean he is sort of a relative by marriage by his sister marrying Gary Bain from a previous marriage, but this is what these sex offenders do. They manipulate people. They find people that can be manipulated and they obsess on victims and that`s exactly what`s happened in this case.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now, I think you`ve raised some excellent points, Arthur. Teresa`s mom and sister say Adam was and is a violent, abusive and controlling man and you add to that, this obsession with these two youngest daughters he claims that oh, they were mine biologically which would imply obviously that he had an affair with the children`s mother. But she`s dead. She can`t speak for herself.

So here`s what Teresa`s mother, Adam Mayes` wife`s mother told ABC.

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TATE: The reason they were arguing so much was because there was two little girls that he was just absolutely obsessed with. He was claiming that those two children were his.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So we`re trying to figure out the motive here and what he`s doing with these two young girls. We pray that they are still alive.

Psychotherapist Robi Ludwig, he`s been described by his mother-in-law as a control freak, a moocher, didn`t hold a job, used drugs and liked to drink according to others, doesn`t like to bathe. She begged Teresa her daughter who is mentally challenged not to marry him -- they married 12 years ago. And this is a man who married someone whose own mother said is mentally challenged. What does that tell you?

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, if he`s abusive he would want to find somebody he could easily manipulate. Somebody who would be intimidated by him; perhaps felt she didn`t have any other choices.

This sounds like a very dangerous, diabolical guy who is obsessed with being almost sadistic and very powerful. And he could have some delusional disorder as well, if he really believes these two kids are his and they`re not, that would suggest an additional mental disorder.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And you know, if for some reason, they are his children biologically this confirms my theory that secrets can be murder. I wrote a book by that title because if you keep a toxic secret it will often explode in extreme violence.

Now Teresa`s mom and sister say Adam Mayes was an abusive, controlling husband with a drug and alcohol problem. Here`s what Teresa told her mother after moving out.

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TATE: This is her exact words. "Tired of getting slammed against the walls and knocked around and beat on".

BOBBI BOOTH, SISTER OF TERESA MAYES: He likes to drink a lot. He does a lot of drugs. He`s just a loner. He`s never had a legitimate, steady job. He`s never lived out on his own. He`s never -- you know, he`s always been with his mom and dad. Just -- you know, he didn`t finish school. He`s not trustworthy but like I said, I just never pictured this.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s what I don`t understand about all of this, this horrible tragedy. This guy you`re looking at was helping the Bain family of Tennessee move, supposedly, when all hell broke loose. They were supposed to move to Arizona. He apparently didn`t want that to happen because he wanted to stay close to these two youngest so he allegedly kills the mother with whom he may possibly have been having some kind of affair if in fact his claim that he is the parent of the two youngest is true, but it could be a delusion on his part.

He kidnaps the two youngest girls, but there is a husband involved. Gary Bain, the husband of the murdered woman and the father of the oldest child certainly that was killed. He was in the house, Jon Leiberman, why did this guy not kill him, too?

JON LEIBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, that`s a key to this mystery is right. How and why did this guy survive?

But I wanted to tell you something that Bobbi touched on -- or Robi touched on. That these girls could very well be alive and police believe that they could be alive simply because Mayes thinks that they`re his kids. That`s the key reason why police are still operating under the assumption that these two girls are alive. And another irony is that the key to this whole case and finding Adam Mayes could be Teresa Mayes. She`s behind bars, but she`s been talking even prior to being arrested.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I still think it`s fascinating that he didn`t kill the husband and we have not really seen that much of the husband. He is not out there speaking out and saying I want my two youngest kids home.

Nancy Grace all over this story and she has much more in her show. Nancy, what have you got?

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Jane, contrary to all reports thus far we learned Mayes is not on foot. In fact, we locate a witness placing him in a white Oldsmobile Alero. Jane, this changes everything. At this hour he could be far beyond where police are looking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and that is a white Oldsmobile Alero with Mississippi plates. So if you see it, call law enforcement. Don`t approach it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fracking is an explosive topic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There we go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many are also worried about the possibility of pollution from chemically-treated water used to break up rock and free trapped gas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go. Wow.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s coming out again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fourth of July.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. You`re looking at a faucet that is spewing fire. It`s a frightening phenomenon happening in kitchens across the United States. I have to tell you, people are turning on their faucets and instead of beautiful, crisp, cold water, what they say is coming out -- flames. That`s right. Imagine flames coming out of your faucet. Ok? Is that something you would like?

You know, when you buy and sell a house, do you tell your broker, hey, there`s a value added. When you turn on the faucet fire comes out of it? Even Hollywood celebrities are pointing a finger at a process called hydraulic fracturing. We kind of know it as fracking. You`ve heard that phrase bandied about -- fracking. Weird water.

Now people in Michigan are so upset about fracking they`re taking to the streets in protest against fracking. That`s right -- average Americans taking to the streets to rally and protest against it.

Here`s an example of some of those protests.

All right. Fracking basically works when natural gas companies pump pressurized water, sand and chemicals underground to push natural gas up to the surface. Now, supporters claim fracking is perfectly safe, but a lot of people are upset about the chemicals that used in fracking and they fear it`s going to get into their water supply and seep into their lawn water and go into our rivers.

So I`m going to go out to a woman who knows about this. She is my very special guest, trial lawyer Tina Nicholson. So Tina, what can you tell us about this emerging movement in the United States of people worried about fracking? Is it growing?

TINA NICHOLSON, TRIAL LAWYER: Oh, yes. I mean it`s an enormous problem across the United States. There is natural gas drilling in 32 states right now. And all these states are grappling with how to deal with it and how to regulate it because it`s a fairly new phenomenon and there`s just no regulations in place that are adequate to address this issue.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think that -- I want to talk about the chemicals. Ok. So think about how you can explain to us about what chemicals are used in a simple fashion that we can understand because this is a complicated process. Some people say that fracking near their house has made them sick. Listen to this.

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JASON LAMPHERE, AGAINST FRACKING: Jody and my boy they`ve had rashes and our daughter, she has had nose bleeds.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Now, the American Natural Gas Alliance -- the natural gas alliance responded to our concerns to questions and they said this about fracking, quote, "The natural gas community is committed to the safe and responsible development of this clean, abundant American resource. Our company takes extensive measures every day to ensure that we`re being good stewards of the local land, air, water where we work.

I`ve got to go back out to Tina. What would you say to that statement?

NICHOLOSON: Well, obviously it`s a self-serving statement. None of the states right now require any of these companies to disclose what is in those chemicals. These companies do not even have to disclose to the government or to the people or to anyone what kind of chemicals that they`re using and what they`re putting into the ground and what`s running off into the ground water.

Colorado has the strictest regulations on this type of thing and they allow the companies to get away with not disclosing it if they claim that it`s a trade secret.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Let me tell you, Alec Baldwin, the superstar`s getting involved in this. He`s jumping on the anti-fracking bandwagon.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: An amazing adventure next. But first, for a laugh break, check out this little guy.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to take you on a fabulous new adventure that could change your life. Nothing major overnight, no hard-core discipline, no white knuckling it all the way through, no dieting, no stress, no exertion of will power -- this is going to be fun.

Kathy we are inviting our viewers to join this adventure.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jessica Simpson is making the loss of her baby weight serious business. The blonde bombshell superstar just signed a multimillion dollar deal to slim down after packing on a few pounds during her pregnancy. No woman is exempt.

We`re all struggling but together you and I are embarking on a new adventure. It is not a diet. It is not stressful. It`s not depravation but the pounds will come off. Are you willing to give it a try because we`re going to give you a nugget of information every single day on this show as we take the journey together?

You are invited. Our guide, health advocate Kathy Freston -- she`s been on Ellen, she`s been on Oprah and she has this great book called "The Lean. She has a daily plan of action that we`re bringing you through my show`s Facebook page. That`s right the Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook page.

Check it out. They give you badges for every little tidbit, every nugget of information that you add on throughout the week day by day.

We have already talked about eating an apple a day. That`s easy -- right. We talked to you about drinking eight cups of water a day. And believe you me I am doing it. All right. So if I jump off during the middle of the segment you will know why.

Now we are talking about the psychology of slim. Eating can be very emotional. Sometimes when we eat we just don`t want to face something. We`re anxious. We`re angry. We`ve had a fight. We`re in a relationship we don`t want to be in. Whatever. Instead of working it out, being real - - we eat. Isn`t that true, Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist?

LUDWIG: It is true. And I think in part it`s because we don`t want to feel bad. Nobody wants to feel bad. We want to feel good. And when you are eating you are feeding yourself. It is an easy way in the moment impulsively to get yourself to feel nurtured, to feel happy. You`re filling that void with something that feels good.

So absolutely people are emotional eaters. And also, we don`t learn how to deal with our intense emotions by either just having them or asking ourselves the question, what am I really doing right now and why am I doing it?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes absolutely. And by the way, we are showing some video. I shot it this morning. It is me meditating or attempting to meditate. I am trying this because I have done what all of us have done, eat to suppress feelings. I don`t want to deal with a problem. I`m anxiety ridden. I am nervous. I`m angry. I`m resentful. I could pick up some food and eat it. And usually it`s not good food.

Now there is a great book called "Fat is a Family Affair". One of the most famous quotes from this very famous book which really started the food psychology movement is, quote, "We are as fat as we are dishonest." Just weigh in on that because t is a fascinating thought.

LUDWIG: Well, I mean yes. If you`re not being honest with yourself and what you really need to do to work on your life or your relationships - - and listen, we all have stuff. People eat away their feelings. They also don`t want to deal with aggression or confrontation and eating sometimes is a way to not be angry, to not confront, to protect relationships.

But whenever you`re covering up a problem you are always adding another problem, right? We can`t avoid issues and not deal with the consequences. So, people who overeat to deal with these issues gain weight.

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KATHY FRESTON, AUTHOR, "THE LEAN": We are just going to tweak what we eat and what we do throughout our day just a little bit very gradually. I don`t want you to be miserable. I don`t want you to hate your life. I want you to enjoy your life. So we`re going to do it one step at a time.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have already eaten my apple today. I am drinking the water, eight glasses. I put a little lemon juice, a little -- just to make it a little easier. Don`t forget, you could chart your progress with us on my Facebook page, Jane Velez-Mitchell Facebook. Sign up. Get involved. Get the badges, do everything day by day.

We`re going to walk you through it. It is going to be fun. This is not a diet. This is not deprivation. This is an adventure and it`s absolutely fun. So go to my Facebook page and do it with me. I am really drinking this water. I got to tell you.

Nancy Grace is next with more on that nationwide manhunt.

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