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Jane Velez-Mitchell
Casey Anthony Speaks Out
Aired June 13, 2012 - 19:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve got to bring in Jane Velez-Mitchell. Jane, I remember you and I were in L.A. We talked so much about food and organically grown food and healthy food. I know this is one of the big issues. So what do you think about this movement to try to bring people closer to organic foods?
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I think it`s wonderful, and I went into a farmers` market and got an apple today. And the myth that, oh, it`s so much more expensive to eat healthy, to eat your fruits and veggies, eat organic, it is a myth. We just to -- we have to, as Clark said, shop smart. Co-ops. When I was in Los Angeles, I was a member of the Santa Monica co-op. I got incredible deals. Co-ops are cropping up all over the country. Google it and find your local co-op and join. It`s actually a lot of fun.
You can also Google where your farmer`s markets are and go to those. We`ve got one in midtown Manhattan. A fabulous farmers market that I was at today where people come from upstate New York and they deliver their fruits and veggies.
So it`s a myth. It`s a question of what food you`re going to choose. And it`s also a question of where you choose those foods. Organic is fabulous. And you save money on health.
Now, we`re going to begin tonight with a familiar topic, Casey Anthony. She`s now speaking out. But what`s the real motivation behind Casey Anthony`s surprise -- and I mean surprise -- interview with Piers Morgan? What a scoop. Why didn`t she appear on camera, though? Is she testing the waters, trying to land a huge paid interview? We`re going to be analyzing everything she said with a team of experts on the Casey Anthony trial, next.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, stunning developments in the Casey Anthony saga. The most-hated woman in America tells CNN`s Piers Morgan, "I didn`t kill Caylee. And I`m not fat." This as she appeals her convictions for lying to cops. Is Casey`s arrogance out of control? Could it backfire as she ends her probation? Plus, you won`t believe what she says about the possibility of having more children. We`re taking your calls.
Then, George Zimmerman says he fears for his wife`s safety after her identity is revealed. Shellie Zimmerman was charged yesterday for lying to a judge. Could the release of this mug shot put her life in danger?
And a parade of accusers say Jerry Sandusky shattered their lives as he allegedly forced them into sex. Now new claims surface that Sandusky engaged in bizarre rituals before initiating the alleged molestation. We`ll take you inside court.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey Anthony, she says she`s gone through hell. And she`s speaking out for the first time in an interview since being found not guilty of killing her daughter, little Caylee.
PIERS MORGAN, CNN ANCHOR: "Obviously, I didn`t kill my daughter." She said that very firmly. "If anything, there`s nothing in this world I`ve ever been more proud of. And there`s no one I loved more than my daughter. I`ve never been a, quote unquote, party girl," she said. "I don`t drink now."
A lot of people in America believe she killed her daughter, but I was struck by that was what she wanted to get over straight away, loud and clear. "I didn`t kill my daughter."
CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: I`m not in control over any of this, because I don`t know what the hell`s going on.
MORGAN: She`s a different person now, in her eyes, to the woman she was before.
JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: This child at 8 years old learned to lie immediately.
MORGAN: But she seemed very aware of the fact that she has a reputation of one of the most hated people in America.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Caylee! Justice for Caylee!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: People hate her, and that`s because they don`t know her.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell.
Tonight Casey Anthony phones in her first interview. Will this clear her name? Is she setting the stage for a huge payday?
The most hated woman in America has been in hiding for nearly a year since being found not guilty of murdering her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. So was is she coming out of the woodwork now to suddenly get on the phone and chat with CNN`s Piers Morgan?
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MORGAN: She said, "A caricature of me out there couldn`t be further from the truth. Where people get these ideas from, it`s so far beyond my own comprehension at this point. I don`t even know where it comes from."
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: She doesn`t know where people get these crazy ideas? Casey, here`s a hint. You lied to police repeatedly, hindering the investigation, insisting your daughter had been kidnapped by her nanny, Zanny, when you knew all along there was no nanny named Zanny; there was no nanny at all; and your daughter was already dead.
Casey was only found guilty of lying to cops. But now Casey wants even those minor convictions thrown out. She just filed an appeal.
What`s Casey trying to accomplish with all this? Everybody knows she lied over and over and over again. We saw her police interrogation. Let`s watch it again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is going to be the point where you stop all the lies and stop all the fibs and you tell us exactly what`s going on. I know and you know that everything you`re telling me is a lie, correct?
ANTHONY: Not everything that I told you.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Remember Casey`s hot body contest? One thing Casey was very clear about all along was her appearance. She took offense to descriptions of her in her physique in recent reports.
Yes, they said she`d put on some weight. Well, she wanted to set the record straight about that. And remind us she`s still a head-turner. Those are her priorities?
Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7293.
Straight out to Robyn Walensky, author of "Beautiful Life?: The CSI Behind the Casey Anthony Trial." Robyn, why do you think Casey talked to Piers Morgan? Quite a scoop but refused to go on camera.
ROBYN WALENSKY, AUTHOR, "BEAUTIFUL LIFE?": Jane, I think it`s actually very simple. She`s been out of the public`s eye for a year, and she misses the attention.
She`s also a master of manipulation. We both sat through the trial for many weeks. And, Jane, she misses being in the spotlight. And I can remember, Jane, and I write about this in the book "Beautiful Life," you know, after the trial a lot of the conversations that went on with her and some of the letters that she wrote while she was in prison were revealed after the trial was over.
And in them she mentioned some very famous broadcasters. And she was very, very involved in watching all the attention and all the news reports about her. So now that her probation is going to be up in a couple of weeks, well, hey, it`s time to get back into the limelight.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can you believe it`s almost four years, minus a couple of days, that that precious child was last seen? Four years. And it dominated our lives for so long, this case.
Piers Morgan said there`s a reason Casey spoke to him. And she claims, oh, no, this is not about money. Let`s listen.
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MORGAN: She didn`t want to make money. It was never a question of payment. Obviously, we don`t pay for interviews at CNN anyway. And she knew that. I think she felt it would be a more credible discussion with a news organization that wasn`t paying her.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But notice that she didn`t appear on camera. She did not also allow her voice to be recorded. Now reports are saying Casey is still seeking a princely sum for her first on-camera interview.
A year ago when she was released, some outlets claimed she wanted a million dollars. Well, then of course, we all learned through the trial that one network paid Casey more than 200 grand in licensing fees, and the blowback was huge. It was highly criticized.
And by the way, you can read my op-ed on HLNTV.com. Mark my words, Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for Avo.com and author of "Swagger," speaking of swagger, this was a very calculated move, I think, on Casey Anthony`s part with, I think, the cooperation of her attorney.
LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I`ll tell you something, if she wants to sell the first interview, she should not be talking now. I mean, If I can just be cynical for a moment. The way that you get top dollar for an interview or book deal is by keeping your mouth shut, by keeping all of the secrets inside, and that`s what you sell for the TV interview or for the book interview.
But nevertheless, I think she could still get a million dollars, I`m sorry to say. I think that`s what she wants. Probably there`s a show out there that will pay it. Not HLN, not CNN, but somewhere else I think it could happen.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know. Jen Hager, assistant managing editor of RadarOnline.com, there was blowback to the network that paid 200 grand. And so I think the networks are kind of afraid of getting in bed, so to speak, with Casey Anthony, because if it comes out that they did pay her a million dollars, there`s going to be blowback.
JEN HAGER, ASSISTANT MANAGING EDITOR, RADARONLINE.COM: I absolutely agree with you, Jane. You know, I want to read a partial transcript of what Cheney Mason said last night to Piers Morgan in regards to Casey Anthony not accepting any money, not trying to make a profit on this.
He said, you know, basically that he -- they`re sitting back. They`re taking -- they`re looking at what other people are doing. And there is a time and a place when Casey will have her story told. When she will tell her side of the story.
Well, is that going to be in a book deal? Is that going to be a television interview? I think at some point in the very near future, we are going to see Casey Anthony in front of cameras, most likely being paid by some media outlet.
Let me be very clear that RadarOnline.com will never pay one cent to Casey Anthony for any interview, photographs or anything.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And neither will we, obviously. Jayne Weintraub, criminal defense attorney out of Miami, you have been a Casey Anthony defender, oftentimes on this show. You`re close to the defense team. What say you to all of us cynics who say this was calculated?
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I mean, let`s take one step back. Did it ever occur to you that Casey might feel the dust has settled, it`s been some time, and she really just wants to tell the truth? I know that doesn`t occur to any of you that are on this panel, but that`s what I personally think.
This is somebody who was found not guilty. This is somebody that was convicted by the press, no offense, Jane. This is somebody who literally has had her life turned inside out publicly. And you know what? There`s nothing wrong with her selling her story, her side of the story, if there`s a want in the public to hear it. There`s nothing wrong with it.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think that the public has said time and time they don`t want to hear it, because they regard her as an habitual liar. So they don`t think anything she`s going to put in print is going to be any more truthful than what she told cops, which was one lie after the other, that she worked at Universal Studios when she didn`t, that she dropped the child off at the Sawgrass Apartments, which she didn`t, that she had a nanny named Zanny, which she didn`t. The list goes on and on, Jayne.
WEINTRAUB: Jane, she was scared out of her wits, and until you`ve been interrogated or seen one of these interrogations -- why do you think there are false confessions?
And we know that there are many false confessions that DNA has exonerated.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Robyn Walensky, help me out here.
WEINTRAUB: I mean, people are scared by the police.
WALENSKY: Jane, shy of Casey Anthony writing in a book or telling someone in a magazine how she did it, how she mixed the witch`s brew, how she put the chloroform over little Caylee, that she admits to killing her daughter, nobody`s going to buy her story. America and the world think she murdered her little daughter. Period.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Nancy Grace coming up 8 p.m. Eastern. Nancy, what are you working on tonight?
NANCY GRACE, HLN ANCHOR: Jane, at this hour a gorgeous Houston socialite ambushed getting in her own car, shot point-blank in the stomach. Miracle she survives, but tonight we learn it`s not the first time. Two previous attempts on the millionaire mom.
Tonight police hone in on a murder suspect, all right. Mommy`s high- powered lawyer`s husband`s mistress. And in a bizarre twist, does the mistress take out yet another murder hit on her lover? The lawyer husband she cheated with, Jane.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is reading now this trilogy of books called "The Hunger Games."
MORGAN: "The Hunger Games" is about, you know, it`s about -- kids killing each other.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
MORGAN: A weird subject, by the way.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. That`s Casey`s attorney Cheney Mason, Casey apparently doing some light reading. Can you say "Hunger Games"?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Primrose Everdeen.
JENNIFER LAWRENCE, ACTRESS: I volunteer! I volunteer!
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. This is the hit movie based on the book which is about -- it`s from Lionsgate. It`s about children dying as part of some kind of game that`s televised live on TV. Eerie, creepy, parallel somewhere in there.
Let`s go out to the phone lines. John, New Jersey, your questions or thought, John.
CALLER: Hi, Jane, love you and your show.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.
CALLER: I followed the trial with Nancy Grace from beginning to end. And when Cindy went to visit Casey Anthony in jail, Cindy had stated that the new theory is that she drowned. Casey Anthony`s reaction was like, no, it didn`t happen.
I hope nobody buys nothing of her. She`s nothing but a murdering skank. And I hope somebody nails her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you raise a very good point, because she did say when they -- Cindy approached her with the possibility, well, maybe it was a drowning, honey. Maybe it was a big accident. And she`s like, yes, right.
Right, Robyn? I mean, her reaction was total sarcasm. And yet that`s exactly what they claimed on opening day of the trial, was that, oh, yes, she drowned. And now there she is crying and acting all like crushed by this same thing that she was sarcastically dismissing when she was behind bars.
WALENSKY: Yes. The exact quote from mommy was she goes in there and she says, "Oh, the latest -- you`re never going to believe what the press is saying now. Oh, that little Caylee drowned in the pool."
And she totally dismisses it, not even knowing that she`s being recorded. So that theory, I thought the whole Jose Baez, when he brought that in was just the most bogus scenario that ever lived.
I just want to say this. You know, from the Piers Morgan interview -- and I watched it all last night, Jane -- you know, the big nugget for me in all this is what Casey`s saying: "I`m 26 now, and I`ve gone through hell."
What about the hell of little Caylee who was chloroformed repeatedly? Who was forced to sleep in bed, as testimony showed, with Casey and some of her various boyfriends? That all three of them would sleep in the same bed. Hold on...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jayne Weintraub is laughing.
WEINTRAUB: I`m appalled. I`m just appalled at the spin that this woman, that this author, is putting on it. And mocking. That a lawyer would make things up, No. 1.
No. 2, to bring up her character evidence and the fact that there is so much chloroform. There was so much chloroform, Jane, that it was basically inadmissible and not believed, rejected by the jury.
There was so much chloroform there wasn`t even as much as was on a nail bed. And we all know...
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Robyn, your response.
WEINTRAUB: I mean, please.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Robyn. Let Robyn speak.
WALENSKY: First of all, I`m not just an author. I`ve been a news reporter covering crime for almost 25 years. Covering O.J. Simpson, JonBenet Ramsey. I sat in a lot of different courtrooms, and I`m going to tell you that when Jose Baez presented all that, it was bogus.
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GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: OK. I`m going to cut to your chase right now and answer all these questions, OK? No. 1 is, the Zanny that my daughter described to me was 24 to 25 years old, about 5`7", 120 to 130 pounds. She had straight white teeth and long brown hair. OK? On a scale of one to ten, she`s a ten supposedly.
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Why this lawsuit is here and why I`m here is to state that this person had nothing to do with Caylee`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me just -- let me...
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey Anthony talking on the phone to Piers Morgan, saying she`s been through hell. What about the real Zenaida Gonzalez? There`s Zenaida Gonzalez, the real Zenaida Gonzalez.
But Casey said Zanny the nanny kidnapped, essentially little Caylee, blaming Zanny. And this ruined the real Zenaida`s reputation.
John Dill, attorney working with Zenaida Gonzalez, your civil suit against Casey Anthony is on the horizon. I under -- first of all, your reaction to what Casey had to say to Piers?
JOHN DILL, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: Well, I thought it was funny that suddenly she wants to talk, and we`ve been trying to get her to talk for a couple years now. If she wants to talk in January up on the 23rd of the -- 23rd floor of the courthouse, she`ll be welcome to talk then. She`s under subpoena, so we hope to hear from her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I understand that you actually have her address because you had to subpoena her, correct?
DILL: Well, we -- we`ve subpoenaed her through Chase -- Cheney Mason, actually, who accepted the subpoena. So we expect her to be there. She`s required to be there through the law. We want her to answer questions.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But she`s been taking the fifth. She has not been...
DILL: It`s interesting, isn`t it?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.
DILL: She`s taken the Fifth Amendment, yet she`s talking to Piers Morgan about how she`s sorry for what happened about how she lied to the police. So it will be interesting to see if she`ll answer our questions. And we hope she will.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Lisa Bloom, what do you make of that? Here she`s talking to Piers Morgan, and yet any time she has to appear in the Zenaida Gonzalez case, she takes the Fifth and says, "I will not answer."
BLOOM: I`d have to say, she`s doing what any litigant would do. She`s trying to avoid answering questions if there`s a legal way of doing it and because her misdemeanor charges where she was found guilty of lying to police are now up on appeal. I suppose she can still claim that.
So I wouldn`t hold my breath waiting for her to appear in that civil case, frankly. But I agree. Let her tell her story. Come on camera, Casey. Have an experienced journalist ask you questions where you can answer the questions. We`d all love to hear your point of view.
I think she may be reluctant to give an interview of any kind, because she knows she lied, and she knows any intelligent interviewer is going to nail her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: John Dill, would it be correct to say she just filed this appeal on her lying convictions that she may have been delaying that so that they wouldn`t decide it before the start of the civil trial so that when the civil trial came along it would still be up in the air and she could still take the Fifth once again?
DILL: Well, I think that`s possible. You know, of course if she wins the appeal, then there will be no Fifth Amendment. That will be interesting. We`re going to ask her the questions anyway, and hopefully, she`ll answer them. After all, she just wants to tell truth. Now is the time in January.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She spins tales. All these crazy stories about all this stuff. She also made up a story about her parents, her dad cheating on her mom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is going to be the point where you stop all the lies and all the fibs and you tell us exactly what`s going on.
CINDY ANTHONY: We need to have something to go on.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t have anything. I`m sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know and you know that everything you told me is a lie, correct?
CASEY ANTHONY: Not everything I told you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Information`s been provided by miss Anthony as to the whereabouts of her daughter, I would point out that the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there anything about this story that you`re telling me is untrue? Or anything you want to change or divert from what you`ve already told me?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, sir.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news, Casey Anthony of course, we all know has been holed up for months after being found not guilty of killing her daughter Caylee. Well, now she is talking to CNN`s Piers Morgan, breaking her silence.
The latest Casey rumor was that she had gained a whole ton of weight. Well, Casey went out of her way to tell Piers no way. Listen to this.
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MORGAN: She said to me, "I do not weigh 500 pounds as one magazine has stated. And I`m not moving to Costa Rica."
MASON: I can assure you that she doesn`t weigh 500 pounds. It`s doubtful that she weighs 120 pounds. Costa Rica, I don`t know where that comes from. I know where any of this stuff comes from.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we all know that Casey was a looker last time we saw her. And she engaged in hot body contests, et cetera, et cetera. Now, the story about her gaining weight came from RadarOnline.
Assistant managing editor Jen Hager or RadarOnline, you heard it there, Casey Anthony saying, "No, I did not get heavy. I have not put on a ton of weight." What say you?
HAGER: Well, our eyewitness tell us that she has put on weight. RadarOnline.com never said she weighed 500 pounds.
But, Jane, you know, we have to remember that this is someone that has been convicted of lying to the police. You know, those are very serious charges. I understand they`re misdemeanor charges, but those are very serious offenses to be convicted of, first and foremost.
Secondly, her own attorney said that she doesn`t watch the news. She doesn`t watch television programs. Well, for someone that doesn`t watch the news, she certainly seems to be very in tune with what the media and the public are saying about her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you`re saying that you have somebody who`s actually seen her, because she`s in hiding, presumably in Florida, where she`s supposed to remain.
HAGER: Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I guess nobody`s seen her except for the video diary she came out with at one point where she was wearing sunglasses or glasses and weird hair. You`re saying somebody that you trust and know has seen her and she`s put on weight?
HAGER: Absolutely. She has put on weight. "People" magazine also reported that she put on a lot of weight and that she was also very depressed.
I think it`s very interesting that Casey Anthony went out of her way, like you said, at least two or three times during her telephone interview with Piers to tell him she was not fat. She was working out.
And then her attorney, Cheney Mason, made two or three mentions of this.
When is this young woman going to accept responsibility for her actions? That`s all I ask. When is she -- I did not hear any remorse from her whatsoever in that telephone interview last night. We didn`t get to hear it --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: In fact, yes, she had a lot of self-pity. She was going through hell. She`s in a prison of her own making. It`s her own making, though.
Karen, Tennessee, your question or thought. Karen, Tennessee.
KAREN, TENNESSEE (via telephone): Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi. What`s your question?
KAREN: Hello, Jane. Thank you for taking my call.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sure.
KAREN: My sister Linda and I have followed this since the very beginning. And I certainly hope the public does not want to give her any pity. She does not deserve any pity from anybody. If she doesn`t -- if she says she didn`t kill her, then she knows who did because she`s the only one that had that baby. She was the only one that was near that baby all that time.
So if she does write a book, Gonzalez should be the one to get the money, not her. She ruined another family with all her lies. And that`s all the public knows is all she can do is lie.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Karen, you expressed the feelings of many people all across the country. Thank you for that call.
All right. Now an update on another high profile case in Florida in the Orlando area, where another woman is back in hiding. Just one day after Shellie Zimmerman was arrested for lying to a judge and released on bond, her husband, the infamous George Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon Martin and is now facing trial for second-degree murder says he fears for his wife`s life. Why? Because this mug shot finally reveals what his wife looks like. Something they were able to keep secret until just yesterday.
Now, at Zimmerman`s original bond hearing the one where Mrs. Zimmerman, Shellie Zimmerman was accused of lying, she even testified by phone in order to protect her identity.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You also mentioned that you yourself were concerned about your safety, is that correct?
SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN, WIFE OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Yes, I am.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you yourself personally been threatened by --
S. ZIMMERMAN: Anything that happens to my husband is a personal threat to me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma`am.
I don`t mean to argue with you, but you yourself have not been threatened, is that correct?
S. ZIMMERMAN: I`ve received hate mail.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for avo.com, Obviously the Trayvon Martin shooting has caused outrage from coast to coast. Is this a valid concern, or are the Zimmermans playing the victim?
LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST, AVO.COM: No. I think it`s a valid concern. Whether they`re right or wrong, innocent or guilty, they have the right to have their safety protected. This is a high profile case as you say. Emotions run high. And nobody wants to be the victim of a vigilante mob.
I think she needs to be very cautious. And they both need to be protected.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But by the same token, you can`t lie to the judge and expect to get away with it. And that`s part of the problem is that she -- according to the prosecution and there was evidence presented - - knew that they had at least $135,000 that they had raised at least in part through the Web site. And they said that they were broke. Now --
BLOOM: Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So how does the law crack down on an alleged liar while protecting their identity? What was their alternative?
BLOOM: Right. No, they have to go after her.
Look, I mean, you can`t lie to authorities. You can`t lie to cops. You can`t lie to police. You can`t lie under oath or the whole system would break down. That`s why we have laws like this especially in this situation.
This was such a foolish lie because here they have a Web site that was raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defense. I guess people all over the country were sending money in.
And apparently they were speaking in code to each other about it. That was recorded. And so they were caught. Oops, they were caught.
And, boy, this is terrible for George Zimmerman at the beginning of the case where his credibility is going to be so important. And now his wife is in it. And it wouldn`t surprise me, Jane, if prosecutors try to use charges against his wife to get some leverage with him possibly for a plea bargain. Look, if you give us a plea bargain, we`ll drop everything against your wife. So, this was very foolish on George`s part.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, that`s interesting. This is war. And I wouldn`t -- I wouldn`t put it past prosecutors -- and I think they have every right to do it, to use her arrest -- even though she`s been released on bond, as leverage, you`re right, to try to get George Zimmerman to do what they want.
BLOOM: Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tina, Florida. Tina, Florida, your question or thought, Tina.
TINA, FLORIDA (via telephone): Hi, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.
TINA: I just wanted to say that I believe that George Zimmerman`s wife is just as guilty as he is as far as it goes with the money in that account because she knew it was there. She spent the money. And to try to hide it just blows my mind that they never thought it would not be, you know, discovered.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think what`s fascinating to me from a psychological standpoint is that it was kind of a spy game, the way little kids play a spy game.
And part of George Zimmerman`s psychological profile is that he was a cop wannabe, Lisa Bloom. And he was kind of playing maybe "Cops and Robbers" in his mind. He was playing vigilante and this sort of dove tails with that whole idea that he`s a little bit in fantasy land talking in code with his wife while he`s behind bars.
BLOOM: You know, I always want to give people the benefit of the doubt, Jane. And especially when everybody`s piling on someone like George Zimmerman, I want to find something to defend him. But here I think they really have him and his wife cold because they have them recorded clearly talking in a coded way about the money that they had in a PayPal account that they raised via Web site.
So they can`t go into court and say we`re indigent, boo-hoo. You know, set bail at a very low amount. Give me an attorney on the state`s tab.
And on the other hand be talking to each other about this huge amount of money that they`ve raised. There`s no defense for it.
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TOM HOLLAND, FITNESS EXPERT: This is so easy to use. We can use these anywhere. You travel a lot, right?
You`re working out on the road. You put this in your bag, you can do an entire workout with these.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Really?
HOLLAND: Yes.
What you`re doing right there.
So, let`s work our arms.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok.
HOLLAND: The great thing about these is you manipulate the resistance by how much of the band you stand on.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh.
HOLLAND: So right now -- that could be a five-pound dumbbell. Stand on it a little bit more.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Like this?
HOLLAND: Yes. Exactly.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes, that is harder.
HOLLAND: So now you have the front of the arms working the biceps, right. Now you want to go back to the arms. Bend at the waist, squeeze back.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, that`s difficult.
HOLLAND: Your entire body; so biceps, triceps.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But I can feel it already. And this is kind of fun.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More breaking news in a second, but first your "Viral Video of the Day".
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More heart wrenching testimony in the sex abuse trial of former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The grand jury report is filled with details from each accuser alleging how and when Sandusky allegedly victimized them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The former Penn State assistant football coach is charged with sexually abusing ten boys over a 15-year period. He faces 52 counts.
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: The report details accusations that Sandusky would take his hands and place them on their thighs as they were driving in the car. That he would tickle them and blow on their stomachs at bedtime, would shower naked with them, and would rape them.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Disturbing, graphic day in court. Three young victims describe their alleged sexual abuse, torment at the hands of famous Penn State assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky charged with 52 charges of abuse of 10 boys, over 15 years today in court. Unbelievable.
He faced victims number ten, seven, five; these young men describing years of sick abuse and sick rituals that he used when they were boys before allegedly attacking them. One accuser said Sandusky threatened, quote, "That if anybody were told, he would never see his family again." "I would never see my family again if I spoke of what was going on." Imagine that to a little boy.
The jurors finally listening to the interview Jerry Sandusky gave right after he was arrested when he admitted to horsing around and showering with boys. This, from NBC.
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JERRY SANDUSKY, FORMER PENN STATE ASSISTANT COACH: I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them. And I have touched their leg without intent of sexual contact.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I always thought that was so creepy. And Beth Karas, "In Session" correspondent, you were in court today, I understand some of the jurors when they heard some of Sandusky`s comments seemed quite creeped out as well.
BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: Let me tell you, Jane, when that was played, we saw just some still photos on the screen. You didn`t see the video that we watched when we played because it was kind of meaningless. It was the audio played for the jury.
One of the men on the jury, an older man, who sort of has a Mr. Rogers look -- he had a little red cardigan on and a white shirt -- sat with his arms crossed in a hostile position over his chest like that listening. And then as soon as the tape was over, arms uncrossed and he was taking notes.
Now, interpret what you want from that, but it is a hostile position. And it was not, you know -- it was compelling what we were listening to. And presumably these jurors are hearing it for the first time. It wasn`t particularly helpful to Sandusky to hear him faltering while he`s answering that question, are you sexually attracted to boys.
One would expect if he`s not to say, no, they`re misinterpreting things I was doing to them. No, instead it was like, "Am I sexually attracted to them," the pauses that we hear and have heard over and over.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, Rachael bell, forensic clinical therapist, author of "Sexual Obsessions Gone Wrong" doesn`t that dove tail with the whole idea that people who are -- and I`m not convicting him, he`s going to be judged by a jury of his so-called peers, half of them have connections to Penn State, by the way -- but isn`t that the way pedophiles, in general, think that they aren`t doing anything wrong that`s why they have a man/boy love association where they basically regard this is an alternate lifestyle?
RACHAEL BELL, FORENSIC CLINICAL THERAPIST: That`s correct, Jane. A lot of them believe that, you know, if it feels good, it can`t be wrong. Which we know is, you know, not true.
I think what you`re seeing here is also, you know, you had brought up earlier about the blowing on the stomach, which I found very interesting. This is typical ritualistic behavior. Ritualistic behavior is related to OCD, which has been linked with pedophilic behavior. So I also found that interesting during the testimony.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me explain what you`re talking about. Some of the victims, the alleged victims, testified that Jerry Sandusky, the white haired guy you`re looking at there, had rituals that he would use before these alleged attacks which were very graphic.
In fact, one boy who`s not even 11 testified that he didn`t understand that Jerry was aroused because he was too young to know the facts of life. But apparently he allegedly blew on their stomachs and made them wear mesh shorts. Why do you think, Rachael, those particular rituals?
BELL: Ok. Well, you know, it`s really unclear. I can`t tell you what he was thinking at the moment. But the behavior he was showing was indicative of grooming behavior, which is also typical of pedophilic -- you know, pedophiles. He clearly was using a lot of coercion, manipulative behaviors, classic textbook pedophile-like behavior, which is definitely going to work against him.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`m just -- sorry, I just think about some of these things and it just upsets me so much. I think the blowing on the stomach is a way of trying to reassure -- this is what parents do to kids. They blow on their little belly buttons. And I think that was his way of trying to seduce the kids in thinking, "I`m a parental figure, I`m not doing anything wrong, I`m just going to treat you like a little child."
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MIKE BONI, ATTORNEY FOR VICTIM NUMBER ONE: You saw today firsthand the pain that a victim of sexual abuse undergoes. The number of times he or she has to tell his or her story and how painful each account is and then finally culminating in a trial that the world is watching, it`s beyond torture.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The jurors listen to the alleged victims and Jerry Sandusky`s news interviews right after his arrest when he said, "Yes, I am attracted to young people", astoundingly. Listen to this from NBC.
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SANDUSKY: If I say "No, I`m not attracted to boys," that`s not the truth because I`m attracted to young people -- boys, girls --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but not sexually. You`re attracted because you enjoy spending time.
SANDUSKY: Right. I enjoy -- that`s what I was trying to say -- I enjoy spending time with young people. I enjoy spending time with people.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Lisa Bloom, attorney, they`ve hinted that he might take the stand. Given that performance, that sounds like a spectacularly bad idea.
BLOOM: I can`t believe he gave any interviews. I can`t believe his attorney allowed him or maybe his attorney prohibited it and he said, "I`m going to do it anyway."
I mean Jane that is really shocking for him to sort of stare off into space and say yes, I`m attracted to young boys and girls. Then his attorney had to jump in and say, "You know, you don`t mean that in a spectacular way though?" "Oh, right, yes. I don`t mean that in a sexual way."
Wow. What a spectacular confession that is, in my view.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I think it is. Almost a confession -- very good way to put it.
Oh my gosh.
You know, evil does not look like it does in the movies.
All right, tonight`s video shocker -- this high speed Lubbock, Texas chase. Cops say the teens robbed somebody at gun point and fled.
The worst crime -- a toddler on board. The 18-month-old is ejected from the SUV when the driver loses control and the vehicle flips over. Astoundingly, you see the little girl there, she walks away, she stumbles away. She`s ok tonight.
Cops say the suspect who was driving is the child`s 17-year-old dad; the baby`s 16-year-old mother, along for the ride. If there was a competition for reckless, irresponsible behavior, they win.
Or maybe these folks should win. Cops say these Romanian gang members are trying to rob a fast-moving truck by jumping on it from the hood of another moving vehicle. It is absolutely astounding. You could see them there trying to get to -- I think these guys have seen one too many action movies or maybe this is what they call car pooling in Romania.
I don`t know, but believe it or not, the cops say that this gang has successfully robbed trucks this way in the past. Obviously this is not something we should be trying on our freeways here at home.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So don`t grab a donut on the way to work, that`s not what Kathy is recommending. She is saying have whole grains, have something really healthy in the morning.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: More on our adventure to slim. Tonight we`re spilling the beans on sugar. You can break your sugar addiction and get healthy, people.
Connie Bennett to tell us how to do it in six weeks; she`s here, she`s the author of "Beyond the Sugar Shock". First of all, Connie, why should we give up sugar?
CONNIE BENNETT, AUTHOR, BEYOND THE SUGAR SHOCK: Because when you eat too many sweets and refined carbs which is what most Americans do, you not only can get fat, but you can get cancer, heart disease, diabetes. And the long and the short of it is, too much sugar can kill you before your time.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we eat as a culture huge amounts of sugar compared to any other culture in the history of humankind, right Connie?
BENNETT: We eat enormous amounts. The average American consumes roughly 170 pounds if not more of sweets each day.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: What -- whoa, whoa, whoa. You got to say that again -- what?
BENNETT: It`s about 170 pounds, probably higher for most people. It`s crazy how much people consume and they don`t realize that they`re consuming so much because a lot of the sugar is hidden. Any time you buy anything processed, that`s in a can, that`s in a jar, that`s in a package, it may contain sugar.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. 170 pounds of sugar a year per average American. Now, here`s what I do. I gave up sugar two years ago -- just about two years ago.
BENNETT: I know. Congratulations. Good for you.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I gave it up because I`m also a recovering alcoholic. It started to get -- just like alcohol -- I started feeling the remorse in the morning if I ate something sweet. And then the craving would start up again I would have sugar. And then the next morning, I`d wake up. It was just like alcohol.
But I do use Stevia, which is a natural sweetener. What do you make of that?
BENNETT: Well, it`s a heck of a lot better than sugar. But it might -- I do like Stevia if it`s powdered or comes in a leaf form.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.
BENNETT: But the question is this? Why are we, as a culture, so clamoring after all these sweet things? And I believe that we`re in the midst of a junk food jungle. Anywhere you turn, whether you go to the grocery store, whether you go to the drugstore, we are tempted constantly.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you, say no to sugar.
Nancy next.
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