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Manhunt on for Surgeon Suspected of Killing Ex

Aired June 14, 2012 - 19:00   ET


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jane Velez-Mitchell, this young man so brave to face his accusers in court.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: He is my new hero, Ryan. The grace and the dignity with which he stood that cross-examination. How dare they? My heart goes out to him.

Well, I want to tell you what we`re talking about tonight. We`re going to begin, actually, with a manhunt that is actually spectacular, because the person being hunted is a prominent surgeon from the Buffalo, New York area. And cops suspect he may be the one who shot to death his ex-girlfriend, who was a nurse at the very hospital where he worked.

So this is an absolute jaw-dropper for those who worked with this very prominent surgeon who has a history in the Army as a medic and a medical expert and a weapons expert. He has won numerous awards and medals during his military career.

But tonight he is actually the subject of an international manhunt. Because remember, Buffalo is right near the Canadian border. So they are trying to figure out, did he cross the border? Is he somewhere in Canada tonight? More next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight a massive manhunt on for one of the most prominent doctors in the Buffalo, New York area. The award- winning surgeon accused of gunning down his ex-girlfriend inside the hospital where they both worked. You won`t believe what we`ve learned about this former Army weapons expert`s past. Was he a ticking time bomb?

Plus, a woman doused with gasoline and set on fire by the father of her son speaks out. You`ll hear her describe the horrifying attack. Could this all have been prevented, had a judge only given this woman the protection from her ex she begged for? You`ll see the whole shocking video tonight. And I`m taking your calls.

And Jerry Sandusky, the tickle monster? That`s what the latest alleged victim says the former football coach called himself before sexually assaulting him. An outraged mom confronted the defendant more than a decade ago about showering with her son. And she says the former football coach told her, "I wish I were dead." So why wasn`t he arrested then? We`ll bring you the latest from the courtroom.

And a Hollywood showdown: claims that superstars Chris Brown and drake duke it out at a New York nightclub. Was it all over former lover and fellow star Rihanna? Could this be an alcohol-fueled misunderstanding? Or is the hip-hop bad boy back to his old ways. even before completing his probation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive search going on right now for an award- winning New York trauma surgeon. He`s on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It happened at the hospital where both the doctor and the victim worked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get off the property right now. There`s been a shooting. Just get off the property.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We continue to look for Dr. Timothy Jorden.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Considered armed and dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was told by the victim, "If something happens to me, it was him."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police cars blocked every entrance to the hospital while SWAT teams combed the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of police cars, a lot of motion inside.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously, we`re very, very concerned.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell.

Tonight a massive nationwide manhunt -- in fact, it`s international -- for a prominent surgeon accused of gunning down his ex-girlfriend inside the very hospital where they both worked.

Now, this is the surgeon police are hunting for: 49-year-old Dr. Timothy Jorden. He used to be a weapons expert in the Army. Does that mean that he`s possibly armed and dangerous?

Well, for the past few years he`s been practicing medicine in Buffalo, New York. The victim, Jacqueline Wisniewski, was a nurse in the very same hospital. You`re looking at her right there. She had been living with Dr. Jorden until recently. Then they broke up. Reports say she left him when she suspected the doctor was having numerous affairs behind her back. Affairs, OK? Affairs behind her back. But her friends say he just wasn`t willing to let her go.

Check this out from "Good Morning America."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was scared. She became very scared. He was stalking her. He found the GPS on her car. He drove by her house several times taking license plate numbers that -- for cars he didn`t recognize.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The victim also told her friend that if anything happened to her, it was him.

Yesterday the doctor allegedly lured Jackie to a stairwell in this hospital and then allegedly shot her point-blank, not once but several times. And then cops say he just took off.

Many are speculating he fled Buffalo to nearby Canada. Look how close they are. Police say they don`t think that`s the case. Let`s listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If the public does come across or does see Mr. Jorden, I would ask they call 911 immediately. He may be armed. He may be dangerous. At this point we are looking to talk to him. We know for a fact he did not cross the border.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, how do they know that? That`s one thing I`m curious about. Remember, this guy was a weapons expert in the Army. Where is this suspected, alleged killer?

Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to prosecutor in Florida, Stacey Honowitz. Stacey, how does someone go from being a prominent surgeon, very well-respected in the community with awards stacked up on his wall to a murder suspect on the run?

STACEY HONOWITZ, PROSECUTOR: Well, Jane, you know we`ve dealt with so many of these cases where you have somebody who on the exterior looks like an unbelievable individual and on paper looks great. But you don`t know what`s going on behind the scenes in their private life.

We don`t know what kind of struggles he was having. And evidently he was extremely controlling and protective over this girlfriend. He didn`t want her to leave.

She told people she was fearful of him. I don`t know if she ever went in to try to get a restraining order against him. I`m assuming she didn`t, because he asked her to come into the stairway and she went.

So certainly, we never know what goes on behind closed doors. And we didn`t see a background in his history even at the hospital if there were any issues.


HONOWITZ: But it`s not surprising that someone on the outside could have a whole different life going on behind closed doors.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Guess what? Turns out there was. We did a little digging. The hospital staff very shaken up over this. Listen as the CEO of the hospital tries to restore calm. People were freaking out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation is well underway. No more information on that other than to say that the campus is on lockdown. It is under control. Our employees are safe.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Tanya Acker, he says his employees are safe, but police records show Dr. Jorden had two separate domestic incidents in 2003. We do not know what these incidents were, but police say they did not involve this particular victim. So he may have a documented history of domestic violence.

Did this hospital, I`ve got to wonder, ever do a background check on Dr. Jorden? We called the Erie County Medical Center. They did not get back to us. They`re invited on any time.

But Tanya Acker, we know that usually if you get a job, even if you`re a janitor, they check you out. Do they check out doctors?

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: Well, you know, they certainly should. I mean, if you think about the access to medications, the access to patients, the access to patient records that physicians have, there really is a reason to make sure that you`re dealing with people who have been appropriately vetted.

Now, admittedly, we don`t know the facts or circumstances of those earlier domestic disturbance cases or those allegations against him. But it does certainly give pause to think that somebody who we entrust with the care of patients, the physical safety of other human beings, might have been involved in attacking another human being.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Dr. Jorden became a board-certified surgeon in 2004. But for 18 years before that, he was career military. He joined the National Guard in high school, then the Army where he became a Special Forces weapons expert and medic assigned to the Caribbean, Japan, Korea.

To understand how dangerous this individual might be, I want to go straight out to our very special guest, Mildred Muhammad.

Mildred, you are the ex-wife of the infamous D.C. Sniper, the killer who, along with an accomplice, murdered 10 people and terrorized the nation`s capital in that 2002 killing spree.

And you`ve written that you believe you were the ultimate target, that all of that was to get at you. So what are your thoughts about this current suspect? Do you think he could be a danger to strangers out there given his obvious connection to this woman who was shot and then the fact that he`s a weapons expert?

MILDRED MUHAMMAD, EX-WIFE OF D.C. SNIPER: Well, I don`t think that anyone else is a target. I think that he killed the person that he was trying to get to.

I also believe that this was already a plan that he had already put in place. He lured her into the stairwell where he killed her. And he probably quietly walked away, asked her not to bring about any attention to him.

Since all of the vehicles that he owns has been accounted for, leads me to believe that he probably rented a car or borrowed a car from someone. He probably already has cash put aside so that there will be no trace of credit cards or any other type of transactions financially that can be traced.

I think he was very skillful in what he did. He`s in the Special Forces, which means he was trained. And he needs to be tracked. And he needs to understand that he will be caught.


MUHAMMAD: But it will take some time for that to happen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. Very -- very good analysis.

I want to go out to an anonymous doctor who worked as a resident under Dr. Jorden.

Anonymous, what is your take on this? Because this guy is just so prominent and accomplished, and now he`s suspected of a vicious murder and possibly armed and dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (via phone): Well, you know, I have to tell you that I got a phone call from one of the other residents last night telling me the news. And none of us were shocked, because he is an excellent surgeon, you know. Patients would often request him, demand to be seen by him.

But he always had this complex with his, at that time, ex-wife. You know, he would often talk to the residents about how nasty she was and, you know, cursing about her left and right. So it was kind of obvious that he had this ongoing complex with her.

But it was surprising in the sense that he`s such a great surgeon. He`s very professional in every other sense. I mean, I don`t know. The whole thing is just too interesting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you get the sense that he could explode and attack this nurse?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, the thing was he always kind of had a temper. But, you know, he`s kind of from that old-school surgeon mentality where they often do have tempers and get away with it, because they`re so good at what they do.



PERRY SMITH, FRIEND OF TIMOTHY JORDEN: Friendliest guy you can imagine.

I find it hard to believe. I mean, the facts will come out. But knowing Tim as I have, close to six years now, I`ve never seen him angry (ph). Ever.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, an international manhunt for this man. He is a prominent surgeon out of Buffalo, New York, a former weapons expert with the U.S. Army. But you just heard an anonymous resident at the hospital where he works say, you know, he`s a great surgeon. Everybody wanted him, but he did have this issue with his ex- and couldn`t let go of it. And tonight, he is suspected of gunning her down. She was a nurse in the very hospital where they both worked.

And here`s a very weird twist. After Dr. Jorden vanished into thin air, cops of course, looked to find out who killed this beautiful woman, raced to his home and found -- are you sitting down? -- an off-duty Buffalo police officer coming out of his house.

This off-duty cop apparently has been on sick leave for something like three years, and he left the doctor`s home carrying a Rolex watch, $5,000 in cash, and a gun. He was questioned by police who will not explain how this cop became involved. Listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe Officer Motley is an accomplice in this case?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not going to say that. No. Right now it`s just we`re investigating to why he was there. I would not call him an accomplice.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Former U.S. marshal, Art Roderick, what on earth is going on here? If he`s not an accomplice, why is this cop with a medical problem in the house walking out of the house with a gun, a Rolex and five grand in cash?

ART RODERICK, FORMER U.S. MARSHAL: This case just seems to get stranger and stranger. I mean, I`m sure that -- these types of cases you handle in a three-pronged investigation. And the first prong, obviously, has been sort of developed already. And that would be where the state and locals would go out and gather evidence of the crime that happened at the hospital.

The second prong would be sort of the hard-target searches that would occur. I hate to use a quote from the movie "The Fugitive" done by Marshal Gerard, but they would do a hard-target search of every gas station, bus station, residence, warehouse, dog house, hen house, et cetera, to look for this individual and sort of a manhunt phase of this investigation.

But while that`s going on, they would start to look at family and friends. How is he communicating? What devices does he use? They would try to recreate his communications from a day before and this police officer might have come up in that investigation. One thing that`s troubling here obviously is this individual`s military career.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. He knows how to use guns. Yes. Obviously, if you see this individual, do not approach him. Contact police. Get away. And what a -- what a tragic twist, for somebody who`s accomplished so much, to be the subject of a manhunt tonight.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A look at this shocking video of a Florida woman set on fire in an apparent domestic dispute. Police say the suspect, 52- year-old Roosevelt monsieur poured gasoline on the mother of his 4-year-old son and torched her after pulling her out of a convenience store.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s still outside. He has a knife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy has a knife. There`s fire around the entrance of the 7-Eleven.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a woman speaks out after surviving a terrifying fiery attack. We warn you the video for this story truly disturbing.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I go up in flames. And that`s when I start screaming. And the only thing I thought to do was take off my clothes.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops say 34-year-old Naomi Breton was attacked by the father of her 4-year-old son at a gas station parking lot. Surveillance cameras show her trying to keep her ex-lover out of the store, but he pulls her out the door, allegedly dousing her with gasoline. And there you see he lights her on fire, allegedly. Listen to the 911 call.


NAOMI BRETON, VICTIM: He set me on fire, OK? Hurry up. Hurry up. Please, please, please.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ma`am, do you need paramedics?

BRETON: Yes. Yes.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops say her ex-boyfriend, Roosevelt Mondesir, lured her to the gas station at 3 a.m. with the promise to hand off the couple`s son. They reportedly shared custody.

Cops say they found the suspect hiding in the bushes. Right now he`s locked up without bond.

Straight out to Brenda Clubine. You served 26 years in prison for killing your abusive husband. You`re a survivor just like this Naomi Breton. This woman felt that she had to meet this man, because even though he threatened her repeatedly, they had shared custody of a 4-year-old boy. Did the system let this woman down?

BRENDA CLUBINE, KILLED ABUSIVE HUSBAND: Absolutely. And the problem is just like myself -- and this is reverberated in her situation, that women when they leave their abusive situation, they`re at 75 percent more risk of being killed. This I found out just before I ended up doing 26 years in prison.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because you tried to leave.

CLUBINE: Yes, I did. Many times. And finally, my abuser trapped me into a situation where, in a matter of moments, I had to protect my life. And unfortunately, it cost me the next 26 years of my life in prison.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. What options do women have if the courts don`t listen to them?

Cops found the suspect hiding in the bushes. After his first court appearance, well, he indicated the fight was all about money. Listen to what he said.


ROOSEVELT MONDESIR, SUSPECT: I think I have $1,500. She took everything. She took all my money. She took everything.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And, Brenda, it`s always about money for the guys or at least often when they try to rationalize violent behavior of which he`s accused.

CLUBINE: Absolutely. They come up with all sorts of excuses so they don`t have to accept responsibility for their own actions and their out-of- control anger and abusiveness towards their victim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, there is a litany that this guy allegedly committed against this woman before he allegedly set her on fire. The victim says he vandalized her car, flattened the tires, removed the lug nuts.

I mean, Stacey Honowitz, the judge still said, "No, you shouldn`t get a protective order. I deny you."

HONOWITZ: Well, something in the law really drastically needs to be changed because we talk about these cases more often. And what we find out is that the judges have made their decision that the person is not in danger or jeopardy because under the law in Florida, to get the restraining order, there needs to be acts of violence committed upon them. Not acts of, you know, of criminal mischief against their items. But that leads to criminal violence against them. And that`s what people don`t understand.

What I want to get across, Jane, is women have to stand up. If you need to go to court to testify, go to court to testify.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More heart-wrenching testimony in the sex abuse trial of former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, charged with sexually abusing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The grand jury report is filled with details from each accuser, alleging how and when Sandusky allegedly victimized them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Former Penn State assistant football coach is charged with sexually abusing ten boys over 15 years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The report details accusations that Sandusky would take his hands and place them on their thighs as they were driving in the car. That he would tickle them and blow on their stomachs at bedtime. Would shower naked with them and would rape them.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tickle monster, is that how legendary coach turned molestation defendant Jerry Sandusky sees himself today?

In another courtroom stunner, victim No. 6, an innocent 11-year-old boy at the time, testified now as a grown man how Sandusky moved right next to him in the showers. He said he remembered as a kid seeing Sandusky`s chest hair "right in my face" as Sandusky called himself the tickle monster, using infantile language and behavior to make kids feel safe. Victim No. 6, now 25 years old, said the episode made him feel icky. Court watchers said the testimony got graphic.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He soaked him up and then he picked him up and he said, "I`m the tickle monster." And he said, "I`m going to squeeze your guts out." Got him all lathered up. And he says he`s not -- only remembers feeling the chest hair of Jerry Sandusky against his back. And after that he testified that he blacked out.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: In all, eight young men have now testified they were sexually abused by the former Penn State football coach. How did Sandusky react to this graphic and disturbing testimony as he sat there?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I swear, I see a faint smile on his face when they are recanting what happened to them with Jerry. The rides, the football games, the tickets. And he just seems to just relish in all of that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A former police officer also took the stand today. This investigator said well over a decade ago the mother of victim No. 6 called cops to complain about Sandusky. So the cops set up a sting.

He had the mother invite Sandusky to her house while he secretly listened from another room. He heard Jerry Sandusky beg the boy`s mother for forgiveness and say, "I wish I were dead."

The officer went to prosecutors, but get this, the D.A. did not press charges. Why not? Why not? This was 1998. At least four of the victims who`ve taken the stand in this trial say they were sexually assaulted after that.

Tonight I ask you: how many boys could have been spared had only one adult done the right thing, confront the powerful?

We`re taking your calls: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. 1-877-586-7297.

Arnie Spanier, you`ve been following this trial, you`re big in sports. I was really disgusted when I heard that almost a decade and a half ago there was an opportunity to stop this alleged behavior, but nobody wanted to prosecute somebody part of the legendary Penn State football program.

ARNIE SPANIER, COVERED SANDUSKY TRIAL: We dropped the ball, Jane. We dropped the ball. We could have saved 90 percent of these kids. We did nothing about it. The police turned their back, at least some of them did. We didn`t do enough. It`s disgusting.

I know this is not a death penalty case but man, if this ever screaming a death penalty, I hope Jerry Sandusky gets exactly what he gets. I don`t have to hear anymore. I don`t have to see anymore. We know this guy is guilty as sin.

He needs to be in prison. I give him two options, either I put him in isolation and he gives up all those other freak (inaudible) members that he likes to hang with, or I put him in general population and I`ll let another prison choke the life out of him. That`s what he deserves.

And 99 percent of America that`s watching this show right now agrees with me, Jane. They do. They just don`t have the guts to say it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the details of this testimony really make me want to cry. Listen to this. Victim number nine, he was a young boy at the time in Jerry Sandusky`s basement. And he claimed he screamed. He was screaming at the top of his lungs for help knowing that Mrs. Sandusky, he says, yes, Dottie Sandusky was upstairs in the Sandusky home.

She will be called as a witness for the defense. So apparently she wasn`t in the courtroom. But she`s going to have to answer to that. Listen to Beth Karas, from "in session" describe what Dottie might say.


BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: She was never aware of any cries for help, but in her defense either they had good soundproofing in the finished basement, or now kids playing in the basement, they had shuffleboard, they had a pool table, maybe, you know, kids they wrestle around, they squeal, they scream, have fun, they yell. And maybe, if indeed she was there and heard this, she thought it was just Jerry having fun with the kids.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michael Christian, senior field producer "In Session", you`ve been in the courtroom. This idea that this little boy is saying he`s screaming for help and there`s a woman upstairs and she just doesn`t hear it, what`s been the reaction in court of those close to Jerry Sandusky who were in his life for so long, including his wife, Dottie?

MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, SENIOR FIELD PRODUCER, "IN SESSION": Well, I think people have questioned Dottie`s role in this for a long time, Jane. It just doesn`t seem to make any sense. Not that anything in this case makes any sense.

What I found most interesting today was actually victim number three, who testified earlier in the afternoon because he said he loved Jerry Sandusky. You know, all these kids who were from broken homes for the most part they lacked father figures. And according to the testimony we`ve heard, the defendant just moved right in on that.

Victim number three said he loved him. He was willing to put up with what was happening to him because of all the good things, the gifts Jerry Sandusky was giving him, not just physical things but he felt like he was part of the Sandusky family. He loved that. He`d never experienced that before.

So these kids have such tortured emotions, you know. Some of them are just hating what`s being done to them or what they claimed was being done to them. But at the same time they loved the attention. They just had never gotten anything like that before.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes, victim number six from back in 1998 he testified he still contacted Jerry Sandusky as recently as the last few years. In a text in 2009 he tells Sandusky "I`m glad God has placed you in my life. You`re an awesome friend. Love you." It wasn`t until recently that he said he realized what had been done to him.

So Stacey Honowitz, you`re a Florida prosecutor, is that going to hurt the prosecution`s case that these young men, even though they were abused as young kids, some of them remain in contact?

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: No, absolutely not, Jane. I mean I`ve been trying these cases for over 20 years. That`s such a common scheme where you have little kids who have been abused and these kids are from troubled homes. That`s not to say that it doesn`t happen to kids that are from very good homes, but there`s that kind of relationship. He`s groomed them. He`s taken them in. He`s given them gifts. He`s shown them love and affection, at the same time he`s abused them.

And so the idea that they`ve contacted or stayed in contact with him is not unusual and doesn`t negate the abuse that went on. It`s very common for pedophiles to groom, to get somebody to trust them, to love them, and they don`t think they`re doing anything wrong. They think they`re showing him pure love and what they`re doing is not harmful.

And so it takes later on for the boy to recognize what was going on with me was very wrong and I need to do something about it and that`s why they`re coming forward now.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines. Christine, Florida, your question or thought -- Christine.

CHRISTINE, FLORIDA (via telephone): Hi, Jane.


CHRISTINE: Great to talk to you.

You know, Jane, this guy was a monster -- I was molested at like 5 by the school bus driver. He did the exact same thing. Promised me I was going to be a guard for the bus. And I told my parents. And the police told him, well, don`t put me through that because I`d have to testify. But this was back in the `60s.

You know, I`m really happy that little boys are starting to get the attention. You know, little boys have been molested just as long as little girls, but they were so ashamed because they thought it was their manhood, you know, that it made them think they might be gay or -- you know, just the shame. It`s such a shameful act.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tanya Acker, if we learned something from this and I say it over and over -- if there is a man who is very interested in your kids and who always is showering them with gifts and also wants to take them places without you and wants to do sleepovers and then showers, grab your kid and run in the opposite direction as fast as you can.

Five seconds. I`m sorry to leave it at that.

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: Well, you know, there were so many warning signs in this case, Jane. Regardless of whether or not his wife was in a soundproof room, which I don`t exactly buy, or whether or not she thought there was horseplay, the notion of seeing your spouse become so intimate with other people`s children is something that should have raised suspicions period. And everybody blew it on this one.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are so right.

Now, check out tonight`s shocking video. Hey, don`t go for a dip in this pool. It would be a hail of a swim because a whole lot of hail hit north Texas last night. A torrent of rock ice fell from the sky, smashing car windows and destroying millions of dollars worth of stuff -- the worst storm in years.

How often have we heard that lately? Is it my imagination, or is our weather just getting more and more extreme? Just in time for baseball season.

Hail, so strong it can smash car windshields? What the hail is going on here?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: More breaking news in a moment. But first, your "Viral Video of the Day".






UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Chris Brown go ballistic again? Chris Brown, who has spent a couple years trying to rehab his image after beating up Rihanna --

RIHANNA, SINGER: It was a really dark time for me. It`s hard to ever just get rid of.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Proves his critics right -- it`s the same issue as the Rihanna incident, a propensity toward violence. If you are a big star and you clock someone in the face and draw blood, expect to be asked about it for the rest of your life.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wherever Chris Brown goes, trouble seems to follow. Early this morning in a New York City club an all-out brawl allegedly erupted between the pop performer, the singer Drake and their respective entourages. You know Drake from his new hit song "Take Care" from Cash Money Records with and none other than Chris Brown`s ex, Rihanna.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: Catchy tune. According to reports both Chris and Drake were hanging out in the VIP section one minute. The next, fists and bottles were flying leaving the club completely trashed. Several people hurt.

After the altercation Brown uploaded this picture to his Instagram showing -- take a look at the gash on his chin. You see that there? You see that red spot? That`s a gash on his chin. And this picture of his bloody bodyguard surfaced on Twitter.

Straight out to Mike Walters, TMZ managing -- well he`s the news manager. He`s the boss over there -- one of them anyway. What are you hearing sparked this fight? Because the one thing they both have in common is Rihanna.

MIKE WALTERS, NEWS MANAGER, TMZ: Well, it looks like it probably has to do with Rihanna. What I`m told is that these two entourages including Drake and Chris Brown are in the VIP section of this club and they start flipping each other off -- flipping each other the bird.

And all of a sudden these two guys start yelling at each other. The argument, according to people we talked to, was about Twitter. These guys are twittering each other subliminal messages or something about Rihanna or about dating, music, all this stuff. And all of a sudden it got physical.

Now, just like any other problem in a nightclub, these two big celebrities, they start arguing, Drake leaves. And his entourage and Chris` entourage start fighting. The problem is Chris Brown was stuck in the middle of this melee and got hit in the face with a bottle. You see that huge scar -- open cut on his face where it looks unbelievable.

Well, these two crowds fight each other. What happens in the end? New York police get called. There`s eight victims including a girl who we got photos of, of her entire head slashed open who had nothing to do with this fight. They wreck the nightclub. And it looks like now cops are looking to charge some people with some crimes here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. Now, here`s the problem with all this beyond just the melee -- the mayhem. Chris Brown is on probation still after pleading guilty to the infamous beating of superstar Rihanna. Nobody can forget this picture from TMZ -- we`re going to show it to you in a second. There it is. That`s Rihanna after getting pummelled by Chris Brown.

And even after that he was in the news for another outburst including one that occurred after an interview with "Good Morning America". There he allegedly reportedly trashed a room because he was angry that he was asked questions about the assault.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can go to events and be in the same room. Have you all seen each other? Been around each other?

CHRIS BROWN, SINGER: I mean, not really. It`s not really a big deal to me now as far as that situation. I think I`m past that in my life.

And I think today`s the album -- that`s what I`m focused on. Everybody go get that album.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now look, Chris in this latest dust-up, the one with the gash in his face, we can`t necessarily blame him. But Blog Xilla with, apparently you had a friend who was at the club. Tell us what you know?

BLOG XILLA, GLOBALGRIND.COM: Well, I mean, I know from what my friend said is that bottles came flying over. So she was there and she said bottles just started flying and people fell on top of her. And one of her friends got staples in her head. There was a lot of stuff going on last night.

From what I`m hearing, everything points to the -- people are saying that Drake`s camp started it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, Drake is invited on any time. I got to tell you, we got a statement, Chris Brown`s rep says Chris` girlfriend and victims were -- his friends were victims of a brutal attack. So they`re saying they`re victims and they`re cooperating. Drake says he did not participate in any wrongdoing of any kind and that he was out -- on his way out of the club when this whole fight began.

So both sides are saying, "We had nothing to do with it." But somebody threw a bottle. And somebody is responsible.



RICH ROLL, AUTHOR, "FINDING ULTRA": The journey for me started when I turned 40. And I was quite overweight and out of shape. And turning 40, you know, for a lot of people, makes them sort of think about, you know, their life and what they`ve done so far. And I realized that I really needed to make a change.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And boy did he change. From 50 pounds overweight to becoming an extreme endurance athlete, competing in five ironman triathlons in a row. That`s 2.4 miles of swimming, 112 miles of biking and a marathon that`s 26.2 miles long. So we`re talking 170 miles total -- all that, every day, back-to-back for five days straight.

So, how did this once overweight schlub become a super fit stud? I`m so excited to bring in Rich Roll -- "Finding Ultra" is your book. And it is a fantastic book.

Rich, how did you do it? We all want to know.

ROLL: Thanks for having me, Jane. It`s great to be here. How did I do it? Well, it all began with adopting a plant-based diet, you know? Really, the journey begins and ends with my -- changing my nutrition.

Like you said, when I turned 40, I was 50 pounds overweight. But more importantly, I just felt horrible, you know? My life had been about career, family, kids and all that good stuff. But in the interim, you know, I really didn`t -- I didn`t tend to my health and I wasn`t watching what I ate.

And when I turned 40, I decided to make a change. I adopted a vegan diet. And the energy, the incredible energy boost that I realized from doing this sort of girded my resolve to return to a fitness program and it began slowly and grew from there. But everything that I`ve achieved as an athlete, I really believe begins and ends with plant-based nutrition.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I see you putting a lot of stuff into a blender and it`s green stuff. Tell us about that.

ROLL: Lots of greens. I love my blender, as you can see there. Yes, at least twice a day I blend up drinks. I love to make all kinds of smoothies. I love kale, I love spinach, I like all kinds of fruit and super food like chia (ph) seeds and maka (ph) powder.

Basically, you know, whatever I have in my kitchen, which is generally fresh, organic produce, goes into that thing and I`m drinking from it all the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And briefly, ten seconds, it gives you the energy you need?

ROLL: Absolutely. No question about it. It`s fueled me through 25- hour training weeks for sure and I love it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Rich, we love you. Nancy next.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: HLN is committed to our nation`s military and their families. All month long, we`re bringing you their stories of courage.


MARK O`BRIEN, MARINE CORPS: My name is Mark O`Brien. I was a corporal in the Marine Corps. And in 2004, in Ramadi (ph), Iraq I was shot with an RPG resulting in the amputation of my right arm and right leg.

Finding out I lost my arm was a huge disappointment and -- I remember looking at it and I just kind of sighed. You know, at the time, when I was in all the pain, I didn`t want to live with a double amputation. Well, single at the time. I didn`t know I was going to lose my arm.

I just wanted it to end right there. I wanted the guys to keep firing down range, but when I woke up, I was a lot happier.

The recovery process was -- I think it was ten months in the hospital. Physical therapy twice a day. Occupational therapy twice a day. And you know, my parents left their jobs. They were living with me down at the hospital. All the credit to them -- I wouldn`t be here now, the way I am, if it wasn`t for them doing what they did for me.

I`m just a normal person. I get out there and do what everybody else does.

I grew up bow hunting and I shot left-handed. I draw like anybody else. I took an old release that I had -- an archery release -- and I modified it a little bit. The trigger zips in my mouth and I just push it forward with my tongue.

I can`t say enough about what goes on. I was actually a little leery. I thought I was just going to be like -- all the Marines don`t know each other. By the end of the day, we`re all hugging each other and we`re all cheering for each other on the line.

And it`s just -- it`s getting back into it. It`s so helpful. People should definitely be aware of this.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: HLN "STORIES OF COURAGE", July 4th at 7:00 p.m. Eastern.

Nancy is next.