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Egypt Picking a President; World's Eyes on Greek Vote; Creationism vs. Evolution; Health Care Decision Looming

Aired June 17, 2012 - 08:00   ET

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): From the CNN news headquarters in Atlanta, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

An alleged serial pedophile may take the stand as the Sandusky defense take center stage tomorrow, promises that the jurors will hear from the man, himself.

The world is holding its breath as the world faces collapse. Greece may be the next Lehman Brothers. And if you thought the 2008 meltdown was bad, wait until you see what today's election results bring.

And later, while Iran is waiting to obliterate Israel, new evidence that the U.S. sanctions are working. Nick Kristof is just back from Tehran and he'll join us live.

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KAYE: Good morning, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye. Happy Father's Day.

It is 8:00 on the East Coast and 5:00 a.m. out West. Thanks for starting your day with us.

First, the eyes of the world are on Greece. Voters there are picking a new parliament, but many fear that the outcome could spell financial turmoil, not just for Greece, but the struggling U.S. economy, debt ridden Europe and even rising superpower China.

Several parties are battling out for power in Greece, they all say they don't want out of the single currency eurozone. But one of the front-runners is threatening to tear up Greece's bailout deal with international lenders. That could send shockwaves up and done Wall Street and Main Street.

CNN's Richard Quest will join us from Athens with much more on the huge implications in just a moment.

Back here at home, more than 54,000 acres have been burned, nearly 200 homes have been destroyed in the fast moving Hyde Park fire in northern Colorado. Thousands of people have been evacuated in connection with the fire. Today's weather could make things worse with wind gusts up to 40 miles per hour expected.

It sparked a week ago when officials say lightning struck a tree, and it could be a month before firefighters have it fully contained.

One man is dead and four men injured after a stage collapse in Toronto. Police say that the weather was good at the time of the collapse with no significant wind or storms. The incident took place just an hour before fans were due to arrive in a sold out show by the band Radiohead. The concert was cancelled.

An international manhunt for a suspect of a triple murderer has ended. Twenty-one-year-old Travis Baumgartner was captured yesterday while attempting to cross the U.S. in Washington state. Police believe he tried to rob an armored car at the University of Alberta. Three guards were killed in the robbery and a fourth critically injured.

Egyptians are doing something that is unthinkable. Just over a year ago, they are picking a president in a democratic election. Voters are casting ballots for a second straight day in a presidential runoff, but there are fears that the military may not be entirely ready to give up power.

CNN's Ivan Watson is at a polling station in Cairo and joins us now live.

Ivan, tell us what is the mood there?

IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's -- the voting is under way. As you can see, we are outside of the polling station, and there is a line of people, hello, waiting to go in. We've got soldiers who are helping to keep order, and security in here.

I just come in to take a look at how this process is taking place. People kind of guide voters through, some of them don't really know how the voting process works.

You have to remember that this is decades of one party rule in Egypt. This is the second day of voting, Randi, so the ballot box which had votes of course cast yesterday stayed in here overnight, and an observer from one of the two parties competing, the Muslim Brotherhood actually slept outside of this room to ensure that nobody could mess with the ballots that have been cast.

These are the ballots that people are voting with. They have two choices, Ahmed Shafik, a former air force general and prime minister of the former dictator Hosni Mubarak, and Mohamed Morsi, who is the candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood.

So, a very sharp ideological split between these two candidates -- Randi.

KAYE: Ivan, since the Arab spring, I mean, the military has been running things there, and they have been in charge. Do you have any sense whether or not the military is actually ready to cede power? WATSON: Well, there are serious questions and doubts about that, because just two days ago, a constitutional court, the Supreme Court here ordered the parliament which had been recently elected and which was dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, it ordered it to be dissolved, and many critics accused the military and the court (AUDIO BREAK) of a soft coup against the Muslim Brotherhood.

The parliament was seen as one of the great accomplishments of what's supposed to be a transition to democracy from military rule. And there's a big question, there is no constitution in Egypt right now. So nobody knows what the powers of the man who is elected president, nobody knows what they will be.

The military council that rules the country has declared that it now assumes legislative powers now that the parliament has been dissolved. The Muslim Brotherhood is denouncing the dissolution of parliament, and also calling it a dangerous step for Egypt and a soft coup.

So, a lot of attention for what is a historic and celebratory election.

KAYE: I'm just curious, because you spent so much time there, you know, more than a year in Tahrir Square when the uprising was happening, you and I spoke many times during that time. Is there real hope for change? I mean, there was such hope then and such determination.

WATSON: That's right. And some of those revolutionaries that caught the world's attention in Tahrir Square, we met them. Some of them are actually boycotting this vote. They say that they don't want to vote for somebody they see as a symbol of the old regime, and they don't trust the Muslim Brotherhood who they fear will try to impose an Islamic system of government on this country.

So, remarkable to see people who fought literally for democracy opting out of participating in this election -- Randi.

KAYE: Ivan Watson reporting for us -- Ivan, incredible pictures that you've been able to bring us there. Live pictures of the voting taking place. Thank you so much.

And more now on the critical election that's happening in Greece. Voters are picking a new parliament against a backdrop of economic despair. The economy there has been in collapse. It is so bad that parents have actually had to send their children to orphanages because they can no longer afford to feed them. Some fear that the outcome of today's vote could cause chaos in the financial markets and shock the U.S. and other economies.

CNN's Richard Quest joins us now from Athens.

Richard, this is a vote for a Greek parliament. But it's a vote that has global implications. Walk us through that.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR/CORRESPONDENT: Right. And that is the parliament building behind me that you are talking about, Randi. And it is there that tonight they will or today, they are electing the 300 members of parliament. To give you some idea, new democracy, their leader says that tomorrow a new era begins for Greece.

To give you some idea, New Democracy, their leaders says, "Tomorrow, a new era begins for Greece." Syriza, the far left wing party, says, "Today, we win over fear." And PASOK says, "Tomorrow, we must have a government."

Now, what that tells me and what it all boils down to is that ultimately, they all say there needs to be unity, but of course, they are not prepared necessarily yet to do the deals that will create that unity. But, of course, they're not prepared necessarily yet to do the deals that will create that unity.

And as you rightly point out, it is wrong to say that Greece is in recession. Let's call what's happening in Greece a depression.

KAYE: Well, what is the likelihood, though -- there has been so much talk about Greece exiting the eurozone -- how likely is that?

QUEST: Greece only exits the eurozone if a number of dominos have to fall. It doesn't happen automatically. First, they have to rip up the bailout agreements.

Then, they have to be cutoff from money, and the ultimate, the draconian, what we called the doomsday scenario last hour, that only happens as it will take place and you literally squeeze Greece to the point where frankly staying in the eurozone is not an option. We are someway off of that.

But let me tell you where we are closer to. I think that the result tonight is uncertain or if it creates a lot of confusion, then you are going to see worry in the markets. And that worry in the markets will be the contagion that the ECB, the European Central Bank, the European leaders will have to work very hard to try and calm.

What they do not want is an electoral brushfire started, because if that happens, the flames here will be felt across the world.

KAYE: And some have said that this could be what they are calling a Lehman Brothers-type moment. I mean, is that blowing it out of proportion, do you think or creating panic? Or is that a real concern?

QUEST: No. I would have said it was out of proportion, because they have had two years to plan for this. But if you remember, back in March and April and the whole thing of the banks and the private sector, and the renegotiation, that uncertainty that led the Dow to fall 10 percent, and led everybody to drop considerably, 8 percent or whatever, it proved the ability for uncertainty and fear is still there.

And so, whilst it might be hyperbole to say Lehman writ big, Lehman number two, Lehman on a grand scale, we cannot, cannot discount the level of fear and confusion that would result from the result here that goes badly.

KAYE: Richard Quest, thank you for all of that wonderful reporting. Appreciate it -- live from Athens for us this morning.

QUEST: Thank you.

KAYE: The former Rutgers student convicted of spying on his roommate could get out of jail early. Dharun Ravi was sentenced to 30 days in jail for using a Web came to spy on his gay roommate, Tyler Clementi, but the warden says he could get out Tuesday, with 10 days cut off his sentence. Clementi killed himself after he found out. Prosecutors are appealing for a longer sentence.

He is back from a 1,700-mile road trip across Iran and he says U.S. sanctions are succeeding. Still to come, my live conversation with "New York Times" columnist, Nick Kristof.

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KAYE: Welcome back, everyone. Glad you're with us this morning.

The West races to prevent what it says are Iran's plans to build a nuclear weapon by cutting off one of the nation's main sources of money, oil exports. I'm talking about the sanctions. And while Iran's oil minister denies their impact, well, my next guest says otherwise.

I want to welcome back "New York Times" columnist Nick Kristof to the program.

Nick, we missed you last weekend. So, it's nice to have you back.

NICK KRISTOF, NEW YORK TIMES: Good to be back, Randi.

KAYE: Well, you just returned from a 1,700-mile road trip through Iran, where you say the sanctions are, your words here, working pretty well. So tell us -- I mean, where are they having the most impact? Which industries would you say are being hit the hardest?

KRISTOF: Really, everything except for agriculture is hit pretty hard. Agriculture is doing OK, but factories are closing. Prices are rising. And they are -- just everywhere you look in the economy, you talk to people who have less business than before, and they are angry. And it's not just the economy is affected, but people seem to be largely blaming their own government, their own regime for the economic problems rather than the West with some exceptions, of course.

KAYE: And by one estimate, I mean, Iran's oil exports have fallen 40 percent just since the start of this year, causing pretty serious economic distress. You say that they are blaming their own regime, but this also has implications for Iran's nuclear program.

And you write in the column in "The New York Times" today -- let me share with the viewer here, "The success of the sanctions makes talk of a military strike on Iranian nuclear sites unwise as well as irresponsible, aside from the human toll, war would create a nationalist backlash that would cement this regime for years to come -- just when economic sanctions are increasingly posing a challenge to its survival."

So, what is the best option, Nick, in terms of preventing Iran's nuclear program from advancing?

KRISTOF: Well, it's continuation of these sanctions. I mean, what really struck me traveling around the country is how much the larger forces are whittling away at the legitimacy of the regime, and I think ultimately will force it to change. And the one thing that I think that could really upend that would be some kind of war between Iran and the West, you know, triggered by Israeli strikes on sites that would create this nationalist backlash that would rescue the regime.

If I were the supreme leader of Iran or if I were President Ahmadinejad, I would frankly want a strike on nuclear sites, because I think that would be the best hope for the regime staying in power in the long run.

KAYE: And you also found in your travels that Iranians have a pretty interesting view of Americans. I want to play just a little clip for our viewers.

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KRISTOF (voice-over): I spent a week talking to various people, from uneducated farmers to struggling factory workers, and self- confident women to a grand ayatollah.

Iran is a country of contradictions, but there was a common thread.

(on camera): Thank you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people of Iran like American people.

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KAYE: It's a great clip to see you there talking to the people, Nick. Why do you think that this is?

KRISTOF: You know, it's fascinating, because I travel to our allies -- I go to Pakistan. And everywhere you go in Pakistan where we pour in billions of dollars, people really dislike the U.S. You go across the Arab world to our allies -- again, there are deep suspicions and hostility toward the U.S.

And I go to our supposed enemy and everybody wants to buy me tea or take me into their homes and buy me lunch. I mean, it's fascinating. I think one thing is that, you know, the U.S. is not obviously allied with an unpopular regime in Iran, and there's also I think something of a novelty when we go to Iran because there are so few Americans.

But also I think, that among the restless young people intuitively embrace whatever the regime criticizes. And in that case, it's Americans.

KAYE: Amazing, a great conversation and a really great article in your piece in the "New York Times" this morning, "Pinch and Griping in Iran" -- a great headline.

Nick, nice to see you.

KRISTOF: Great to see you.

KAYE: Thank you.

KRISTOF: On the brink of a historic decision, we'll ask what's going on behind closed doors as the Supreme Court prepares its landmark ruling on health care.

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KAYE: Gorgeous day shaping up in Washington, D.C. Good morning. Great shot of the Capitol there. Just a few clouds in the area. It's going to be a good day.

And it's going to be an interesting week in Washington. We could have a Supreme Court decision on health care as early as tomorrow.

There are really three options for President Obama's Affordable Health Care Act -- the court leaves it alone, throws out the whole thing or picks something that stays and some things that go. Either way the nine justices go, it's a monumental decision that will impact all of us.

Joining me now from Washington is Joan Biskupic, legal affairs editor for "Reuters" and long time Supreme Court correspondent.

Joan, good morning to you.

JOAN BISKUPIC, REUTERS LEGAL AFFAIRS EDITOR: Good morning.

KAYE: Give us some behind the scenes here if you will. I mean, is the decision already made, and they are waiting to release it or still working on it right up to the end?

BISKUPIC: A little of both. The bottom line decision was made the Friday after the late March oral arguments. So, that's when they took the bottom line vote. But then they have to write the decisions, and the majority and the dissent have been crafting the language and crafting the rational, and circulating it among the nine.

And so, actually, what we have now is more of the heavy lifting frankly of trying to justify the two counter positions. But I believe that the end result: does the individual mandate stand or not stand has probably already been resolved, but we won't quite see that for another week, but it could come as you say, Randi, as early as tomorrow.

KAYE: So, from your years of covering the court and the justices, themselves -- I mean, do you have a sense of which way they might be leaning or at least some of them?

BISKUPIC: Well, it is so funny you say that, because we are like looking at everything they can say and do to give us a sign. On Friday, Ruth Bader Ginsburg gave a speech in and up mood and we said maybe that says something.

But then I recently talked to Justice Scalia and he was in and up mood and the court's liberals and conservatives can not both be happy about how this is all turning out. You know, I think that we certainly have seen signs from the lower courts, and three of the four lower appeals courts have decided this -- rejected the challenge, but then, of course, Randi, you saw in the oral arguments some pretty tough questioning of the government's position.

KAYE: Right.

BISKUPIC: So, it is -- it's anybody's guess at this point, but fortunately we have at most probably two weeks to wait.

KAYE: This is the best kept secret in Washington, I think.

BISKUPIC: It is. It is, and this is, you know, so many people are just now watching the court, but this is how it is every year.

KAYE: Yes.

BISKUPIC: And I'll tell you one thing that is that things can shift and things can change. I don't expect the vote to have flipped completely here, but some of the rationale might have changed. And some of pressure on the secondary issues, they might be still working things out and not have the bottom line vote on those secondary issues.

KAYE: What about the extra pressure on the court? I mean, is there some of that, knowing that the health care is a key issue in the upcoming presidential election?

BISKUPIC: I think they're well-aware of everything. You know, they read the papers. They see the people protesting outside of their marble columns.

But they are playing a long game. They've all been appointed for life. And they are going to have to rule the way they think that the law is, and let things fall after that.

And so I think that they understand that it is unprecedented in terms of how many people are watching. Face it -- they held modern record 6 1/2 hours of arguments. So they understand that this is a very big deal legally and politically.

KAYE: Right. And health care certainly isn't even the only big decision we are waiting for, right? I mean, there's also the challenge to the Arizona immigration law. What do you expect from that?

BISKUPIC: That's right. That's the law where Arizona is trying to stop the tide of people crossing the Mexican border, and it has sort of gone into where the federal territory is in terms of regulating immigration. And Arizona says that we are just trying to work cooperatively with the federal government to have our officers ask people who they stop if they suspect they are here illegally for their papers.

And I think that's going to be, frankly, one that might end up with the conservatives in control, because as you might remember, only eight of the nine justices heard that one. Elena Kagan, one of the liberals, had to sit out, because she had been involved in the litigation before. So I expect maybe a split decision there with at least part of the Arizona law being upheld.

KAYE: And then you are the president's decision and the announcement on Friday shifting the administration's position on undocumented immigrants. Would that have any bearing on the court at all?

BISKUPIC: No, it wouldn't at all, because that of course came in an executive order, and sort of expanding some of his, you know, prosecutorial discretion on who is deported and who doesn't, and it is a temporary measure. If he could -- he could expand it at some point or frankly if Mitt Romney were to win, then he could change it.

So that's really just in the executive domain, and what the Supreme Court is deciding is, you know, how far can the states go to enter a field that has traditionally been with the national government.

KAYE: Joan Biskupic, great conversation, I hope to talk to you within a couple of weeks when these decisions come down.

BISKUPIC: Thanks, Randi.

KAYE: Thank you.

In Texas, a kindergarten's lesson on bullying backfires and now she may face charges.

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KAYE: Hello, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye. Glad you're with us.

Checking some stories cross country.

Let's begin in Texas where a kindergarten teacher allegedly ordered students to line up and hit a 6-year-old boy accused of bullying. Hit him. A spokesman from the San Antonio district says the teacher took drastic measures to teach other students a lesion. But police report alleges the teacher even told classmates to, quote, "hit him harder". The teacher lost her and now, prosecutors are looking into whether to file formal charges.

In Oregon, swift currents and high waters turned a family's kayaking trip into this nightmare. The raging river flooded the family of four's boat, leaving them all in the water to fend for themselves. But as you can see there, thankfully, the Oregon Army National Guard was able to rescue and air lift each person to safety.

Surf's up in San Diego, California. It was a dog day at the beach for some four-legged furry surfers. One four-legged friend was named top dog at the seventh annual Lowe's surf dog competition. Those guys are pretty good.

The event benefits the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Look at him go, oh, well, he was doing well for a while there.

And if you thought that the surfing dogs were adorable, meet the newest addition -- oh, my goodness, look at this -- this is the newest addition to the Nashville zoo. A 6'0", 160-pound baby giraffe. She's celebrating being one week old today with her mom, Margarita. Both giraffes are off display until a date is set for her debut.

She's a little wobbly there, but boy, oh, boy. You can't even get the two of them in one shot there. Oh, she's adorable.

All right. That was our feel of animals for the morning.

More people believe that God created humans today than they did 30 years ago. The evolution versus creationism debate is raging in churches and schools across the country, and we are going to dive right into this controversial issue.

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KAYE: Welcome back.

For this week's "Faces of Faith" we wanted to dig deeper into a report that has stirred up a lot of conversation. According to a Gallup poll for the "USA Today", 46 percent of nearly half of Americans believe in creationism, the view that God created humans in their present form sometime within the last 10,000 years. It's that top line colored line there slightly up from 44 percent in 1982. The poll also shows just under a third of Americans believe that humans evolved with God's guidance and 15 percent say people evolved without the hand of God.

Terry Mortenson creationist and historian of geology joins me now from Cincinnati and along with him David Silverman, the president of American Atheists, joining me now from New York. Good morning to both of you.

David, let me start with you here on this one. You're an atheist, which means that you lack a belief about the existence of a supreme being or beings, so what do you make of the poll?

DAVID SILVERMAN, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN ATHEISTS: Well, I make the -- the poll is really tantamount to the poor education system that we have in this country. The kids and the students in this country are not taught to think critically. They are taught to remember and regurgitate and what you get from that is people just listening to their preachers and believing it without actually thinking about you know, do I really think about the invisible man in the sky. And that's what we're talking about here.

There is no more evidence for a God than there is for Santa Claus. Yet 46 percent of the country thinks Santa Claus or God made humans in their present form despite all of the fossil records that we have.

Evolution is scientific fact about which we know -- about which we know more than gravity and relativity, but the creationists in this country are so proud and so stubborn that they won't even admit when they're proven wrong. And in fact, they are proud of the fact that they won't admit when they're proven wrong.

KAYE: All right, so let me ask Terry here to weigh in. Terry, why do you think the number of those who believe in evolution grew six percent while the creationist view only -- although much higher only jumped two percent in the last 30 years?

TERRY MORTENSON, CREATIONIST: Well, I think most people -- have not really studied the issue. They just have had a very limited amount of information, you know, what they heard in school and the Bible says that every person knows that there is a God. Romans I says that the creation bears witness to the existence of God and the conscience bears witness.

So it's not surprising that the number keeps fluctuating.

KAYE: Would you like to respond to David's comment that -- that if you see fossils in a museum that you can't believe that -- that God made animals in their current form?

MORTENSON: Well, I didn't hear his answer, so I don't know exactly what he said, but fossils are not a problem for the creationist view. In fact, they fit very nicely in our understanding that the -- the earth was flooded with a global flood at the time of Noah which would have buried billions of plants and animals in sediments and they would have become fossils.

So creations --

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SILVERMAN: Ok, we have a fossil record -- we have a fossil record that goes back all the way since the dawn of -- of humankind, all the way since the dawn of life that says -- that shows us how life has evolved over millions of years. It's not disputable. And what I find so discouraging is that it is not disputable. This didn't happen in a flood. This happened over millions or hundreds of millions of years and we really have to stop allowing people to dumb us down.

The world is laughing at us. We are equal in our scientific theories to the Third World nation of Turkey. While real -- while First World nations dismissed the mythologies of yesteryear and move forward into the future, the -- the status of this country is actually going backwards, the education of this country is actually going backwards in time.

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KAYE: All right, let me -- David, let me let Terry -- let me let Terry jump in here. Because Terry according to Gallup, the more education you have, the least likely you are to believe in creationism and down to just 25 percent of postgraduates now. Why do you think that is?

MORTENSON: Oh, that's very easy for me to understand. The more education you have means the more you have been taught evolution and you've not been taught to think critically. Why -- why did the evolutionists not allow criticism of evolution in the public schools? Why is it that in the universities it's very difficult for a student who raises any objection, scientific objections against evolution or millions of years?

I have a personal friend who studied at a major secular university in the Midwest and got a double degree in biology and geology. His professors were thrilled with him. They were encouraging him to go on to graduate school. They didn't know he was a young earth creationist. He was doing excellent work.

And one of his professors said in -- in private in a meeting with some students, "No young earth creationist will be allowed into our graduate program." There is a -- a -- a blocking of any critical thinking in higher education on this issue. I've spoken in secular universities.

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SILVERMAN: That's because it has been proven wrong.

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MORTENSON: Not it's not, it's because --

SILVERMAN: That's because it's proven wrong, yes.

MORTENSON: No it's not David.

SILVERMAN: You can't think critically and come up -- you can't think critically about anything and come up with a solution that has absolutely no scientific evidence to support it. That's not thinking critically, that's thinking dogmatically.

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MORTENSON: David -- David -- (CROSSTALK)

SILVERMAN: -- and lying about thinking critically and that's what you're doing.

KAYE: Let Terry respond here.

MORTENSON: Yes. I have a PhD, in the history of geology, I did not study under creationists. I studied under people who are evolutionists and I had to prove my case on a historical question from competent research.

We have a PhD geologist on our staff from Australia and got his degree at a secular university, major university in Australia. He has done geological research on four continents. There are other creationist geologists all of whom got their degrees at secular universities where evolution is taught as an indisputable fact. They had to wade their way through the programs and I -- I know as a historian of geology where this millions of years idea came from and it did not come from the rocks and the fossils. It came from anti- biblical philosophical priest oppositions out of deism and atheism that were used to interpret the rocks and the fossils.

KAYE: All right.

MORTENSON: So --

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SILVERMAN: And -- and in history has there ever been any evidence at all found to prove the existence of any deity ever?

KAYE: That is a good question, David and a question that's a --

SILVERMAN: The answer is no.

KAYE: All right, David, I appreciate your time.

MORTENSON: I -- I dispute that. But --

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KAYE: I know, but we're out of time unfortunately. It was a great discussion though. Maybe we'll be able to have both of you on once again. Terry Mortenson and David Silverman -- to be continued; thank you both.

MORTENSON: Thank you.

KAYE: And for more stories on faith, be sure to check out our widely popular belief blog, you can find it at CNN.com/belief.

A Michigan politician now has a very famous friend after controversy over her use of the word "vagina" grabbed national headlines. We'll tell you what's happening with that. And it's your bed, only smarter -- that's the idea behind this invention. Our Jeanne Moos has the story on the bed that makes itself.

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KAYE: Welcome back.

All eyes on Washington this week as anticipation for the Supreme Court's rulings on health care grows. Candy Crowley is live in Washington with us and getting ready for her show "State of the Union."

Candy, good morning. So what happens if the court strikes down the mandate? Does that mean that the whole thing is out the window?

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST, "STATE OF THE UNION": Well, that is the question. You know whenever you ask the administration this question, they -- what's Plan B here?

Let's say that the Supreme Court says you cannot require Americans to buy health insurance. You cannot demand that Americans buy a consumer product. Well, the whole reason that insurance companies, many of them went along with health care reform was they said we need to bring the healthy people into the system.

If they no longer have that, what happens to no lifetime caps? What happens to you can't deny coverage to people with any kind of pre-existing condition? What happens to all of that? And you can't -- here we are, I know, I don't have to tell you five months from the election -- and you cannot at this point get the administration to tell you what Plan B is, because they said that we don't believe that the Supreme Court will strike it down. Maybe they will and maybe they won't.

And Republicans, we have seen some instructions going around at least from one leader on the house side saying let the Democrats stew in this. If the Supreme Court strikes it down, let them figure it out.

So it happens to be one of the questions that we have today on the show, which is, ok, guys what is Plan B here?

KAYE: Exactly. You also have an exclusive this week with Rick Santorum. Did you talk about health care with him?

CROWLEY: No, actually we talked about immigration. As you know, that was the, you know, sort of the big thing. And also how he thinks Mitt Romney is doing. He has not been the most enthusiastic supporter as you may know of Mitt Romney, but he seems to be all on board, although, I will tell you in the sneak peek that he was not all that pleased with Mitt Romney's response to the President's action on immigration.

KAYE: All right. Candy, thank you very much. We look forward to the show this morning. CROWLEY: Thanks.

KAYE: Keep it here for "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley. It starts, oh, in about 13 minutes at 9:00 a.m. Eastern and 6:00 a.m. Pacific right here on CNN.

Defense lawyers for Jerry Sandusky are expected to present their case this week. The question remains as to whether he or his wife will take the stand. We will preview the defense strategies.

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KAYE: We may find out this week if Jerry Sandusky will take the stand and testify in his defense. He is accused of sexually abusing a number of young boys over a 14-year period, but says he is innocent. The prosecution is expected to wrap its case tomorrow. Last week, eight of the ten alleged victims testified. Many of those alleged victims were involved in his Second Mile charity.

So what will his defense be? Here is Jean Casarez from "In Session" on TruTV with a preview.

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JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": We believe the defense will begin presenting their case tomorrow right here in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania at the courthouse. The defense doesn't have to prove anything at all, but their witness list is voluminous. They have over 100 witnesses.

And there is one thing about this -- Jerry Sandusky wanted the case right here in Center County. He wanted it where he founded the Second Mile. He wanted it where he was a coach at Penn State University.

Who best can describe his years? Dottie Sandusky, his wife. It is believed that she may take the stand to change the focus of this case so the jury will hear about the good things that he did, the children he helped, the charity he founded, and his years with his family. They adopted six children of their own.

Now, there is also a big question about Jerry Sandusky taking the stand. Well, we know Jerry has done two interviews since he was charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse. We know he likes to talk. He may very well take the stand in his own defense to say, "I didn't do all of this. Yes, I showered with young men, but I never had a sexual intent."

A much like Michael Jackson-type defense that, yes, I slept in beds with young children, but I didn't mean anything by it. But the big question is will they now present a mental disorder in front of the jury? The judge is saying they can do it.

Histrionic disorder is where someone has an aggressive persona personality to seek out attention even to the point of making sexual aggressive moves on others merely for attention and nothing more. But the prosecution can have that psychologist exam Jerry Sandusky if they go that way, and that means that a psychologist of the Commonwealth could determine that Jerry Sandusky is a classic pedophile. It'll be a big decision for the defense to make, but they can do it if they want to. We shall see.

Reporting from Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, I'm Jean Casarez.

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KAYE: Jean, thank you. We now know that the judge will allow the defense to allow testimony on whether Sandusky has that histrionic personality disorder and he is expected to be examined by the prosecution's psychologist. We will be keeping you updated as the story continues to develop.

As you are waking up this morning you probably don't want to think about chores like even making your own bed so we have some good news and a possible solution. There is a now a bed that cam make itself. We will show you how it works.

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KAYE: Tomorrow, the Michigan State lawmaker who was punished after saying "vagina" in a speech will join in a special performance of "The Vagina Monologues" on the Capitol steps of in Lansing. Detroit News reports she will be joined by the award-winning playwright, Eve Ensler and several other female Democratic lawmakers. Lisa Brown was giving an impassioned speech against a bill that would restrict abortions when she said the word.

Take a listen.

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LISA BROWN (D), MICHIGAN STATE HOUSE: I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you are all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michigan Republicans said she was not punished for saying "vagina", but for violating House decorum rules and acting unprofessionally.

Well, I wake up pretty early each weekend -- real early. So when that alarm goes off, the last thing I'm worried about is making my bed. And as it turns out fluffing the pillows and smoothing those sheets may one day be a thing of the past.

Jeanne Moos explains.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After all of these centuries of making beds, finally someone is making a bed that makes itself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would I get that? In a second.

MOOS: It is called the smart bed. Three seconds after it senses a human has left the bed, it begins making itself. Up comes a little sideboard, and then a mechanical arm pops up that gathers the cover. Eventually the pillows are drawn up to make room, and the whole thing takes about 50 seconds. Finally the pillows plop down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is the answer to a problem which doesn't exist.

MOOS: Tell that to messy teenagers like the one who took to YouTube to mimic her mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are going to have to make this bed. This bed is not going to make itself.

MOOS: You want to bet? A Spanish entrepreneur made the prototype. He's looking for financial backing. Who wouldn't want to snap their fingers like Mary Poppins and the beds make themselves or like George Jetson gets jettisoned out as the bed puts itself away.

The smart bed would require you to buy special bottom sheets that Velcro on as well as a special duvet and other pieces that accommodate cords that enable the bedding to move. No price has been put on the bed since it is still a prototype.

(on camera): But is this smart bed smart enough to handle a nocturnal apocalypse with sheets and pillows strewn about like bodies on a battlefield?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you sleep as messily as do.

MOOS: What if you kick the sheets?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. What happens when you hit the floor?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Fall out of bed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do the sheets get back in the bed?

MOOS (voice-over): The bed that makes itself makes a lot of people skeptical.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean that's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are the covers being pulled up?

MOOS (on camera): It makes sense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It does?

MOOS (voice-over): And one person posted, "Yes, I can just see me getting up in the middle of the night to us the bathroom and coming back to find my bed made." But you can always take it out of the automatic sensor mode, and go manual so you just push a button to make the bed.

Someone on YouTube has already put the smart bed to music. It is downright majestic. But also a little creepy to arise from slumber and see your bedding slither.

Jeanne Moos, CNN --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I am afraid this thing is going to jump out at me.

MOOS: New York.

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KAYE: Thanks for watching. I'm Randi Kaye. "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley starts now.