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Avoid Debate Zingers; Winning The Debate; Steve Harvey's New Gig; Housing Prices Recovering; Courting The Youth Vote; Supreme Court Dynamics & Rocky Ride; Schwarzenegger Regrets Hurting Family
Aired October 01, 2012 - 13:00 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Suzanne Malveaux. This hour in the CNN NEWSROOM, comedian Steve Harvey is now a talk show host, T.V. talk show host who is joining us live to share his interview with the first lady. Plus, actor Kal Penn, hitting Twitter, visiting universities with a special message just for young folks.
Let's get straight to it. He is being called -- it is being called the most critical moment in the 2012 campaign. President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney just 56 hours away from the first debate taking place at the University of Denver. It is the same city that hosted the 2008 Democratic convention. Same state that President Obama went on to win four years ago. It's going to be the first time that these two are going to share the same stage, and they're going to tackle domestic policy. That's going to happen for 90 minutes. Of course, the stakes very high, especially for Romney now. He is trailing in key states that could decide this election.
CNN's Candy Crowley, she is saying that they are great expectations, even while both sides are trying to lower them.
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CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Apparently Romney supporter and Republican Governor Chris Christie didn't get the memo.
CHRIS CHRISTIE, GOVERNOR, NEW JERSEY: Wednesday night is the restart of this campaign, and I think you're going to see those numbers start to move right back in the other direction.
CROWLEY: Note to Governor Christie. No, no, no, no, no. SOP for predebate chatter is to lower expectations for your guy by raising expectations for the other guy, like this.
REP. PAUL RYAN (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: President Obama is a very -- he is a very gifted speaker. The man has been on the national stage for many years. He is an experienced debater.
CROWLEY: And because this is a bipartisanly accepted strategy, like this.
DAVID PLOUFFE, WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISOR: We've expected all along that governor Romney will have a good night. He is prepared more than any candidate in history, and he has shown himself to be a very good debater through the years.
CROWLEY: Further, governor, since you are supporting Romney, the candidate, who is running behind, you are supporting him, right? Then you also need to lower the stakes for Wednesday's first of three presidential debates. Like this.
JOHN MCCAIN (R), SENATOR, ARIZONA: Frankly, I can't remember the last time there was one of these comments that grabbed everybody's attention because, frankly, the candidates are too well prepared. They're well scripted.
CROWLEY: And like this.
RYAN: I don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign.
CROWLEY: But definitely -- Governor Christie, definitely not like this.
CHRISTIE: And I'll tell you, Bob, Thursday morning, you're all going to be scratching your heads and saying, wow, we have a barn burner now for the next 33 days.
CROWLEY: Because the thing is when you say stuff like that, the President's senior advisor says stuff like this.
PLOUFFE: They expect to come out of this with the race fundamentally changed. Now, what does that mean? If it's going to fundamentally change, that means in seven or 10 days from now you'll see states like Ohio tied because that's what matters here.
CROWLEY: Like they say, Governor Christie, there's no heavier burden than great expectations. Candy Crowley, CNN, Washington.
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MALVEAUX: Anybody who watches the debates knows that, of course, there could be that one moment that leaves a candidate branded, the winner or the loser. We're talking about the one-line zingers. The ones that catch the opponent off guard leaving them speechless or searching for a comeback like these.
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RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, 1984: There you go, again.
And I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience.
LLOYD BENTSEN (D), FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, 1988: Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.
MITT ROMNEY ( R ), DEBATE WITH TED KENNEDY, 1994: Since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. And I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. And my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign.
TED KENNEDY (D), DEBATE WITH MITT ROMNEY, 1994: On the question of the choice issue, I have supported the Roe v. Wade. I am pro-choice. My opponent is multiple choice.
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MALVEAUX: Wow. Joining us from Washington Political Editor Paul Steinhauser. Wow, you know, you take a look at these clips, it brings you back a little bit. But it really does make the point there that, you know, these things can hit like torpedoes if they're delivered right, and we know that Mitt Romney, at least they're talking about practicing these zingers, what do we expect from him to actually do to change this game, if he can?
PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: A great trip down memory lane there, yes, from the 1980s. In that Romney debate person (ph), then Senator Ted Kennedy back in 1994. But, yes, you're right. We've seen some reporting on this that, you know, Romney is doing a lot of preparation, obviously, on this for this debate, maybe focusing on zingers and one-liners. But also the campaign says what Mitt Romney really wants to do on Wednesday night when the two candidates show down in Colorado, show the choice between what Mitt Romney would do in the White House over the next four years or what President Obama would do if re-elected.
And, Suzanne, these debates, yes, there is a lot riding on this on in Denver and the two other presidential debates, because it's the last chance, really, maybe for the candidates to really move the needle a little bit. And we've seen the needle right now, in the polls at least, indicate the President has a slight advantage nationally in those key battleground states -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: Potentially nine out of the 10 key battleground states. Now, Romney has actually -- I mean, he has debated almost 20 times in the primary season. How does he actually change people's impression of him, particularly his likability factor?
STEINHAUSER: And we have seen that he has a little bit of a deficit, obviously, when it comes to likability, when it comes to his favorable and unfavorable numbers compared to the President in a lot of these polls. So, yes, I think part of -- a little bit of what he is going to try to do Wednesday night is try to show a little bit more of the human face, and we've seen him try to do that on the campaign trail as well. Go back to that number that you just showed, that is a brand new poll from "ABC News" and "The Washington Post," Suzanne. And they asked, simple as this, who is more likely to win the debates? And you can see the President with a big advantage there. Our poll from earlier this month, the CNN poll, had the similar number as well. So, I think the work is cut out, you could say, for Mitt Romney -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: And, again, some people are wondering whether or not this is going to be a game changer in any way. I mean, with the exception of just a few cases, usually the debates don't really change the game. You've got maybe half the country now that is able to vote early. How confident are they that they can actually make any kind of difference?
STEINHAUSER: That's a great point there. There are 10 states, as of tomorrow, Ohio starts early voting. Ten states will be voting early in some process or form or another. So, yes, some votes are already being cast. A lot of those are probably by people who have already made up their minds, and the debate wouldn't change their minds too much. What they want to do, they being the Romney-Obama campaigns, is hope these debates focus in on that small percentage of Americans who are still undecided. Those are the people they're reaching out to at these three presidential debates -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: All right. Paul, we'll be watching. Thank you.
Don't forget, you can watch all the debate action right here on CNN. CNN's life coverage of Wednesday night's debate starting at 7:00 Eastern. Here's what we're working on for this hour.
Sasha and Maliyah all grown up -- or growing up. How is Michelle Obama preparing her daughters for the dating world? Steve Harvey, well he found out. He is going to share his interview with her coming up. Plus --
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm trusting on this, and I'll see you then.
JOHN CHO, ACTOR: Hey, who was that? Sounded intense.
KAL PENN, ACTOR: The president.
CHO: Sweet.
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MALVEAUX: He plays a stoner in "Harold and Kumar" movies, but he's got the President's ear. We're talking to Kal Penn live.
Plus, a secret child, serial cheater as well, Arnold Schwarzenegger. We go depth why his behavior and why some people cheat.
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MALVEAUX: Steve Harvey, he does it all. He's a comedian, author, radio show host, of course, now, he's got another gig, he is the host of his own T.V. talk show which debuted last month. And he just landed a pretty exclusive interview. He is -- of course, his guest, Michelle Obama. And he was asking about shopping for an anniversary gift, and this was what she said. Take a listen.
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MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY: He is hard to shop for, and I have gotten him every golf thing that you can imagine. So, I had to really dig deep on this one.
STEVE HARVEY, HOST, "STEVE HARVEY": Can I tell you something?
MICHELLE OBAMA: What's that?
HARVEY: That's one of the -- that's on the bucket list for me.
MICHELLE OBAMA: What, golf?
HARVEY: To play golf with your husband.
MICHELLE OBAMA: Oh, I could give that to him as a gift. See, when he opens it up, golfing with Steve Harvey. Huh, love you too, honey.
HARVEY: Yes.
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MALVEAUX: Steve Harvey is joining us from Chicago. How do you think that's going to go over, Steve, golfing trip with you as an anniversary honeymoon gift?
HARVEY: Well, I think it would be great for me. You know, of course, I don't know how well I'll play with secret service looking at me with the guns and everything. Normally, guns aren't allowed on the golf course.
MALVEAUX: All right. Well, this was a pretty exclusive interview, and it's a get gift, Steve. I know one of the things about Michelle Obama, back four years ago when they were first running, the country didn't know them. They were just getting started. And there was a certain familiarity in talking with her. One of the things she first said to me when we sat down was, I think I know your sister. She dated one of Barack's roommates -- college roommates. Turned out that it was true. And now, we're in a different place with the Obamas. And it's not as easy to get their ear. Tell me what Michelle was like now.
HARVEY: I mean, you know, I think she was very open. I thought she was very congenial. I had never seen her that way before. You know, it's -- I mean, like you say, you know, running for the presidency is one thing, being the President is a whole other. She's the first lady. And I just never, you know -- the things about him being romantic, the pictures of their very first home. You know, all of the stuff that we got a chance to look at that I have never seen before. I'm not saying the pictures aren't available to anybody else, but they're not available on any other talk show. So, --
MALVEAUX: Now.
HARVEY: You know, I thought it was great, and I think when she comes on, I think people are going to see a really, really nice side of her that you don't get a chance to see.
MALVEAEUX: Now, act like a lady, think like a man. We know it's your best seller. We also -- I saw the movie. We actually featured it our show several times, talked to Michael Elly as well. One thing you talked with the first lady about was dating, and the two daughters. Let's listen.
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HARVEY: You started talking about dating rules or anything?
MICHELLE OBAMA: You know, we talk about everything all the time. You know? She's not there yet, but we -- you know.
HARVEY: Yes, she's 14?
MICHELLE OBAMA: She's 14. She's a freshman in high school. You know, but, hey, there are boys around. I keep telling her father, they exist. They live and breathe.
HARVEY: Yes, but, I mean, come on. I mean, who is the boy that rings the White House doorbell?
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MALVEAUX: How did she answer that, Steve?
HARVEY: I mean, you know, she was very -- she would say, you would have to admire him for his guts and courage, you know? She took a really light-hearted view of it, you know. I mean, like they say, you know, their daughter is not there yet. My daughter is -- she's 15, you know. She had her first boy guest over with a group of girls, you know, group of girls and guys came over to the house this past labor day, so, I mean, it's something we all got to face eventually. I hated the boy.
MALVEAUX: Well, you are going to hate the boy. I mean, obviously. Tell us a little bit about --
HARVEY: Automatically.
MALVEAUX: Yes, automatically. Tell us a little bit about what she talked about in terms of the things that she would like people to know. Clearly, it was challenging back four years ago. There were a lot of questions about, you know, the priests, Reverend Wright and all this. But now, people know the family. They're in the White House. What did she really want to convey to you, do you think, in your interview?
HARVEY: I mean, you know, I thought she was trying to get -- and I thought she did a very good job of it, is showing that they're very much real people. That they're very much real people, for the people. I think she conveyed that eloquently. I thought that given an inside look to their family kind of lets you see, because I didn't really know what their first home looked like. I didn't know -- didn't know that the President was romantic. I didn't know that he makes it a habit of being home for dinner at 6:30 every day. You know, in spite of a lot of things that's going on. I can't even make it home every day at 6:30. You know, I'm not even close to as busy as the President. So, you know, I think that those things right there. And then, you know, her other side of the interview was just wasn't so much a vote for her husband, but make sure you get out and vote. Make sure that you're properly registered. I think that was her push. She didn't really sit on the show and I don't think she came on the show to say push, push, push, push , push. But, I mean, you could see that she's very supportive of her husband, as any wife should be.
But I think -- I think that she has a good grasp on where they are and what it takes to maintain. And she really kind of opened up to a lot of the -- the challenges. It's tough being the first lady. It's tough being the President. I mean, you know, and I even asked her, and you'll see in the interview on the show -- I even asked her, did she see any of this coming? You know, could she have imagined in her wildest dreams when she met President Obama, who was just -- he was -- she was actually his advisor. She was his advisor. He worked under her. And then she said, very funnily, he was working for me and then he started hitting on me. That was a pretty good moment in the interview.
MALVEAUX: And then it all changed. That's really sweet, it all changed after that.
HARVEY: Yes.
MALVEAUX: Tell us a little bit about -- about your show. And I know it's doing really well. It's very competitive now. And there's somewhat of a talk show war. But you're doing really -- you're holding your own, yes?
HARVEY: Yes. Yes. This show was surprising a lot of people, you know. It's taken off in the ratings and it's very, very steady. It's a good performer. But I think what we're offering over here is something that lot of people can't do. First of all, it's a male perspective in daytime. That's kind of rare nowadays. And then I think the fact that, you know, you come to my show and it's about having a good time. You know, I'm very funny. But at the same time, I do take a lot of time out to address things that are important to everyday people. It's not a celebrity-driven show. We don't have a lot of celebrities on. We haven't had one, except for the first lady. You know, we -- I don't really do that. I'm going to have some on from time to time. But right now I think real people -- and they've -- this has proven itself out to be true -- real people are far more interesting.
MALVEAUX: I would agree with you on that one.
Steve Harvey, good to see you, as always. Thank you. We'll be watching.
HARVEY: Thank you.
MALVEAUX: Tomorrow, right, Wednesday, that's when the interview -- that's the first lady interview tomorrow, correct?
HARVEY: You got to watch it. Everybody turn in.
MALVEAUX: OK.
HARVEY: To Steve Harvey Talk is very funny.
MALVEAUX: All right.
HARVEY: We love it.
MALVEAUX: Good. Looking forward to it. Thank you, Steve.
HARVEY: Thank you.
MALVEAUX: It's a big sign of recovery. Home prices back to where they were nine years ago. What it means for buyers and sellers, up ahead.
Also, want to check out an incredible video. An elderly man jumps from a third floor window into the arms of a crowd below. We're going to tell you what forced him out of the window.
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MALVEAUX: The housing recovery is real. Home prices are now back to where they were nine years ago before the market peaked and then crashed. But it might not be time to celebrate yet. Christine Romans profiles one couple who's selling their house.
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JENNA OPIELA, HOME SELLER: We put the house on the market the Thursday before Labor Day. And we were under contract the following Tuesday.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Opielas are a sign of a recovering housing market. They bought their two bedroom, 1.5 bath row house in D.C.'s Capitol Hill area for $355,000 in 2009.
J. OPIELA: Do you love living in Capitol Hill?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
J. OPIELA: Yes.
ROMANS: Now they're selling.
DAN OPIELA, HOUSE SELLER: We were originally thinking of listing maybe around $430,000, $440,000, something like that. And after our original meeting with the realtor, he suggested $469,000, which at first I was a little bit worried about, because I thought maybe it would scare people away. So we went ahead and listed it at that level.
J. OPIELA: Turned out to be the right thing to do.
CAMERON SHOSH, CENTURY 21 REDWOOD REALTY: Things are absolutely outstanding. Open houses are very busy. There's buyers out there getting a lot of Internet response for listings, getting a lot of calls on listings and things are moving fast.
ROMANS: The latest housing headlines show improving builder confidence, rising sales and prices, and record low mortgage rates.
MARK ZANDI, CHIEF ECONOMIST, MOODY'S ANALYTICS: Housing is coming back to life.
ROMANS: But don't break out the bubbly just yet. Home prices aren't expected to return to their peak until 2023.
ZANDI: There are three million loans that are in foreclosure or they're very late and likely to go into foreclosure. That's a lot of loans. There's 49.5 million people with mortgages. In some markets across the country, it's still a big problem.
ROMANS: But for those in the market --
ZANDI: It's a fabulous time for buyers and refinancers. For the first time in six, seven years, sellers, you know, do have some leverage in the negotiations. Prices are rising and they don't have to cut their price like they did before.
ROMANS: Here's what buyers need.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going to need good credit. You're going to need proof of income. And you're going to need some money in the form of a down payment.
ROMANS: As for the Opielas, they're looking to sell for a profit and they hope their next selling experience is similar.
J. OPIELA: So it's always going to be like this going forward, right?
D. OPIELA: (INAUDIBLE).
ROMANS: Christine Romans, CNN, New York.
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MALVEAUX: You probably know him from the "Harold and Kumar" movies, but he's also working to get out the vote. Why Kal Penn thinks the President should stay on the job four more years.
And, don't forget, you can watch CNN live on your computer. While you're at work, head to cnn.com/tv.
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MALVEAUX: Authorities are expected to announce today whether soil samples taken from a Detroit area home reveal any evidence of human remains. If they do, it could take a while to find out if those remains belong to the missing teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa. He disappeared 35 years ago, you may recall, and police are now acting on a tip from a man who claims to have seen a body buried on the property a day after Hoffa disappeared.
And take a look at this catch. Check it out. Unbelievable. This is an elderly man who jumped from a third floor window of his burning apartment into the hands of those waiting, neighbors, who huddled together to catch him. It happened in the Bronx. This was on Friday. Seventy-one-year-old New Yorker, he is a former paratrooper who made almost 50 jumps during his military career. So, he's certainly not afraid of heights. He's doing fine today.
And the big first presidential debate Wednesday night. Much of the country already voting, however. And the Obama campaign, again, pinning its hope on young folks. The president has enlisted popular television and film actor Kal Penn to help him boost the turnout of all those young people. Of course, it was the young folks who helped him win in 2008. Kal Penn, he's joining us from Los Angeles.
Kal, it's good to see you. You are really busy. I mean you were at the DNC. You were running around all over the country here. You and some other folks. You've been in and out of the White House as sometimes you're an actor, sometimes you're an activist here. But clearly, as the national campaign co-chair, it's really important to get out those young folks. What's the biggest challenge right now to make sure that they show up to the polls?
KAL PENN, CO-CHMN., OBAMA FOR AMERICA NATL. CAMPAIGN: That's a good question. So the biggest challenge I think is, particularly for first- time voters, you know, if you just turned 18 or if you moved over the summer, making sure that folks are properly registered and know where to go. So we created a couple of websites -- gottovote.org -- or, I'm sorry, gottovote.com, gottoregister.com. And that's ultimately designed for -- obviously no matter who you're voting for at the end of the day, just making sure that if you just turned 18 or if you moved, you know how to register and where to vote. So I would say that's probably the biggest challenge. But it's been a lot of fun going out there on college campuses and meeting with young people all over the place.
MALVEAUX: Now, you know, the Romney folks, they're talking about the faded Obama poster and, you know, kids are living at home with their parents and all that. What are you hearing from people? I mean what are you hearing from those students who were, you know, big fans of the President, had a lot of hope and inspiration from him, but, you know, graduated from college, don't have jobs, might be living with their parents?
PENN: Sure. So I think -- I mean I've heard some of that before. I think that's an incredibly cynical way to reach out to young people in particular. So that was sort of a bummer to hear, you know, the folks on the right say that.
But I think when we've been going out to college campuses, what we are hearing is that -- so in 2008, a lot of people came to support the President because they said, look, he's making all these promises, going to repeal "don't ask, don't tell," create, you know, create new jobs, double things like the Pell grant and make college more affordable. He's done all of that now. So when they're coming out in 2012 to sign up to volunteer or to hear surrogates speak or knock on some doors for us, it really is because they've got cousins home from Iraq or, you know, they like that the President stood firm on energy quality or they can stay on their parent's health insurance plan until the age 26. Those are the big differences between 2008 and now. And that's what we're hearing all over the country no matter where we go. And it's certainly been inspiring for those of us who have the chance to go to all these states on behalf of the President.
MALVEAUX: Kal, how do you make an impact here? I mean, people sometimes -- do they look at you and see the movies and think stoner? I mean, how did you get involved in politics?
Penn: It's a very good question. I ask myself that a lot.
I am politically an Independent. I love the fact that we've got the chance to make all those crazy movies. But I talk about this a lot. In 2007, I had a bunch of friends who were really struggling. I had a buddy who I talk about from time to time who I had to make this crazy decision whether he was going to get eyeglasses to see the board or buy his textbooks one semester in community college. I know folks that were discharged under the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. I met tons of young people that didn't have access to health care. I thought, look, I have been very fortunate, and love that I love doing what I do on the film side, but why not volunteer for this Obama guy? His background was completely different than any of the other candidates that were out there.
I went out to Iowa for what was supposed to be about three days before the Iowa caucuses. Turned into two and a half months that I spent before the Iowa caucuses. And then went to all these other battleground states, and thought, wow, this is the first time we've got all these young people who are knocking on doors, making phone calls. None of us had done anything political before. It was a really unique thing, I think.
MALVEAUX: Yes. I remember a little bit of the buzz when I was covering the White House and you arrived at the White House, and everybody is, like, oh, Kal Penn is here. Everybody got all excited about it.
Tell us a little big about --
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MALVEAUX: -- the debate that's happening. You're taking over at @Students4Obama Twitter feed. What is the game plan behind that?
PENN: Sure. So one of the things that we try to do, particularly on the youth front, whether it's through, you know, when the DNC speeches were going on or convention or any of the big things going on around the country, it's really engaged with some of the young voters and take advantage of technology. This is a president who carries around an iPad with him all the time. He is very tech-savvy and really wants us to be tech-savvy and make sure that we're communicating as best as we can. So I'm taking over the Students for Obama account, which is at @students4Obama, the night of the debate to really have a two-way conversation with a lot of our young people. A lot of our organizers, we have 12,500 fellows around the country that organize things like watch parties or, you know, debate parties at campus offices or apartments or dorm rooms. Taking some time to do a Q&A via Twitter with some of the folks. MALVEAUX: Right.
PENN: And kind of make the debate a little more engaging and a little more back and forth.
MALVEAUX: All right. We'll be fully engaged on debate night.
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Kal, good to see you, as always. Thank you.
PENN: Thanks, Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: Don't forget, you can watch the debate action right here on CNN. CNN's live coverage, Wednesday night's debate, starts at 7:00 eastern.
Rumors, grudges, infighting, drama -- you probably think -- don't think the Supreme Court when you hear those words, but it has been a rocky ride for this court. They're now back for a new term today.
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MALVEAUX: The justices are back on the bench for what appears to be another potentially historic session. One of the first big issues could tackle voter I.D. laws ahead the November election. We could also see rulings on same-sex marriage and an affirmative action case involving the University of Texas.
Joe Johns is looking at how the political divisions within the court could play out this session.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Right after the Supreme Court's health care decision in June, Chief Justice John Roberts joked to colleagues that he would find an island fortress to escape the political heat.
Here's how Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg described the eventful spring.
RUTH BADER GINSBERG, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE: The term has been more than usually taxing. Some have called it the term of the century.
JOHNS: Now, three months later, the court is back, and there are no signs of it cooling down.
THOMAS GOLDSTEIN, SOCTUSBLOG.COM PUBLISHER: The justices are moving from the frying pan right into the fire. They are tackling some of the most difficult legal questions of the day. Across the board, probably the biggest term in at least a decade.
JOHNS: Cases involving the contentious issues of affirmative action, same-sex marriage, voting rights and abortion are all likely to come up this term.
CARRIE SEVERINO, JUDICIAL CRISIS NETWORK: There's some very exciting cases already on the docket. And there's a lot more in the pipeline that may -- the court will be making a decision on soon.
JOHNS: Another set of big decision will bring even more scrutiny on the chief justice. Rumors surfaced that the health care ruling he authored caused a personal rift with fellow colleagues, including Justice Antonin Scalia, a claim that Scalia denied to CNN's Piers Morgan.
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ANTONIN SCALIA, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE: No, I haven't had a falling out with Justice Roberts.
PIERS MORGAN, HOST, PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT: No words exchanged?
SCALIA: No.
MORGAN: Slamming of doors?
SCALIA: No.
MORGAN: Nothing like that?
SCALIA: Nothing like that.
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JOHNS: The other big question, will the chief justice take the court in an aggressive new direction? Liberals fear a more hard-line dogmatic shift to the right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of progressives are concerned that this might mean that Chief Justice Roberts has build up some capital, some goodwill, and will now push the conservative agenda.
JOHNS: Tom Goldstein, who has argued before the court, thinks Roberts wants a more conservative court, but that he will do it gradually.
GOLDSTEIN: He is not trying to move the law radically quickly. I think Justice Scalia or Justice Thomas really want to get to the end answer as quickly as possible and make the law conform to what they really understand, whereas, the chief justice is more incrementalist.
JOHNS: But conservative court watcher, Carrie Severino, doesn't think much will change any time soon.
SEVERINO: Certainly, this is not a crusading conservative court. Until we have a shift I think in the membership of the court, it's impossible to call it a court that leans more to the left or to the right.
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MALVEAUX: Joe Johns joining us live.
Joe, I want to talk, first of all, about this, know, fighting -- infighting within the court. I had a chance over the fall to meet with Justice Ginsberg and ask her a few questions in a sit down, and she was very candid about her relationship with Justice Scalia. And she said that, you know, they got along well. That the kind of partisanship you see in politics doesn't necessarily spill into the court. Do you think that's overstated?
JOHNS: I don't know if it's overstated. I mean, you do see the justices together in non-court settings. Just yesterday, at the Red Mass, which is held at the start of the Supreme Court term at St. Matthews Cathedral here in Washington, I was there. I saw six of the nine justices, which is a lot, frankly, appearing together in public. This is not long after that huge health care case was argued, so controversial. That created a lot of speculation there would be some residual anger.
But you saw Justice Scalia there. He is known for fiery language. He said it wasn't so. There's still disagreements over the law. Of course, it's spelled out in the opinions. I think the question everybody always speculates about is whether this has the potential to become personal -- Suzanne?
MALVEAUX: Absolutely. Tell us a little bit about the other speculation as well. If you had one or two justices who retired, obviously President Obama, or if Mitt Romney won, they would want to change this court. They would want to have their own folks on the court. What do we think would be the make-up and how important is that?
JOHNS: Well, I mean, this is a question about retirement. The issue is who wins in November and who might retire on the court after that. Four of the justices, Suzanne, are over the age of 70. The question is whether presidential nomination could tip the balance of power on the court. So, for example, if Ruth Bader Ginsberg were to retire and Mitt Romney were elected president, he could nominate a reliable conservative, as he said he would, and turn the court into a truly conservative court. If President Obama were re-elected and he got the opportunity to select a replacement, one of the names we've been hearing for Obama is -- well, I'll show you -- talk about this graphic. These are the Republicans. That's Diane Sykes, a judge out of Wisconsin. This is somebody Obama might pick. That's Diane Woods. She was one of those names we heard before on some of the other nominations. And there on the right is Kamala Harris, the attorney general out of California. A lot of speculation that she could also be named. She's also a person who has been named as a possible replacement for Eric Holder should he ever leave the attorney general's office any time soon -- Suzanne?
MALVEAUX: Thank you, Joe. Good to see you.
Not one, but at least two affairs and many more secrets. Arnold Schwarzenegger, well, he says he is not perfect. We're going to take a look at why he is opening up.
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MALVEAUX: For Arnold Schwarzenegger, the recall may be total, but it doesn't mean the memories are all sweet. The former California governor appeared on "60 Minutes" Sunday night to promote his new book and to talk about his biggest regret.
Our Zoraida Sambolin, she has the story.
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ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, FORMER CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR & ACTOR: I think it was the stupidest thing I've done in the whole relationship.
ZORAIDA SAMBOLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a secret he kept from his wife, Maria Shriver, and the public for years.
SCHWARZENEGGER: It was terrible. I inflicted tremendous pain on Maria, and unbelievable pain on the kids.
SAMBOLIN: The most painful chapter from Arnold Schwarzenegger's new memoir "Total Recall," the moment when he admitted to Shriver that he had fathered a child behind her back with the family's housekeeper, Mildred Biana (ph).
SCHWARZENEGGER: She then said, hey, I think that Joseph is your kid. And am I off here on this, or not? I said you are absolutely correct.
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SAMBOLIN: Shriver confronted her husband about the affair at a counseling session the day after he left office in 2011. Schwarzenegger admits she raised suspicions before, but he hadn't been truthful.
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LESLIE STAHL, CO-HOST, 60 MINUTES: So you lied to her?
SCHWARZENEGGER: You can say that.
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SAMBOLIN (voice-over): Biana (ph) remained the couple's housekeeper, working for the woman she had betrayed.
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STAHL (on camera): Even after you realized it.
SCHWARZENEGGER: Uh-huh.
SAMBOLIN: Was that strange?
SCHWARZENEGGER: Very difficult, strange. I mean, bizarre. I mean, everything else -- whatever you want to call it. But it's the best way I could handle it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
SAMBOLIN: Schwarzenegger also writes of a, quote, "hot affair" with actress Bridget Nielsen, his co-star in the 1985 film "Red Sonja." He was already living with Shriver at the time.
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STAHL (on camera): She knew?
SCHWARZENEGGER: Yes.
STAHL: So it's a recurring issue with you?
SCHWARZENEGGER: I'm not perfect.
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SAMBOLIN (voice-over): Affairs weren't the only secrets. Schwarzenegger also admits he tried to hide open-heart surgery from Shriver and says he didn't tell her about his run for governor until days before he announced it.
SCHWARZENEGGER: She started shaking, and she had tears in her eyes. Then I realized that I was stepping into something that was much deeper than just me running and her being a supportive wife.
SAMBOLIN: She ultimately gave up her journalism career to campaign with her husband.
Now years later, his time in office over, Schwarzenegger says he will always live with the regret of what he did to his family.
SCHWARZENEGGER: That is something that I will always look back and say, how could you have done that?
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MALVEAUX: Huh. CNN reached out to Maria Shriver for a response to the "60 Minutes" interview. Her spokesman said that there's not going to be any comment coming from her or her camp.
Joining us, Jeff Gardere, clinical psychologist and host of VH1's "Dad Camp."
Jeff, you know, a lot of people watched this, and there's a certain outrage factor to it all. What struck me is that there's absolutely no sign of remorse. He is smirking during the interview. He raises his eyebrow. He doesn't seem to express any kind of emotion that -- or acknowledgment of what he has done in terms of the kind of hurt and pain that he has caused. When you see this, what do you see?
JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST & HOST, DAD CAMP: I'm thinking pure narcissism. And this is something that we've known about Arnold Schwarzenegger for a very long time, and it's not putting him down in any way. It's just really calming it psychologically the way that I see it. This is a man who is very egocentric. He has a mission in life, and his mission and he has done it very well, is to be successful, to be the zenith, to be at the top, to be the one, number one, and then there are characters in his life. People like his ex- wife Maria Shriver, his children and so on. They're all very important to him. He loves them all, but at the end of the day it's about Arnold and, therefore, he can compartmentalize a lot of these things that he has done and say, yes, this was off script, yes, this was a mistake, yes, this was stupid, but he won't admit that it was a betrayal, that it was something that was absolutely horrible.
MALVEAUX: So is this -- when you se this, do you see pathology, or does this look like normal regular, you know, guy thing like, oh, OK, I screwed up, a made a mistake, I made a stupid thing. Move on.
GARDERE: I certainly do se pathology here because this is a man who is involved in a lot of -- using a lot of defense mechanisms. He uses a lot of regression where he admits that something has happened, such as the birth of his son with his housekeeper, but then, you know, shuts that away and may say, well, I didn't really acknowledge it until years later when he started looking like me. I think he knew from the very beginning that was probably his son because certainly he was involved with this woman and he claims, yes, there was another man in the picture. That's why he didn't own up, but Arnold, I really do believe knew what he was doing. He is a smart man.
MALVEAUX: Jeff, a lot of people look at this, and it's, you know, quite frankly, a lot of my female friends look at this and say, wow, this is a familiar scenario here. Someone has cheated on them in their life. Why do they do it?
GARDERE: Well, I think a lot of it is the big T. -- high testosterone. A lot of it is being --
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MALVEAUX: That sounds like an excuse.
GARDERE: Well, it is. We do know that because men have more testosterone, they act out more, but there's something called commonsense. There's something called being faithful. There's something called impulse control. I think we all have to utilize that. This is a guy who uses a lot of isolation of affect going back to a previous question where he doesn't really own up, he doesn't really feel that what he has done is wrong. He can say the words, but you don't see the emotions coming out. I think that's part and parcel of why he is able to cheat because he can shut that away and say, yes, I did it, but it doesn't really mean anything. His affair with Bridget Nielsen didn't really mean much. He said -- he used that as a reason to marry Maria Shriver because it was the impetus to show how good Maria really was.
MALVEAUX: Back to that point again, you describe this very well. Is this common or is this something that is kind of, you know this is this individual, this man, this celebrity, somebody who feels he's larger than life, or you to see this, do you see this in a lot of people.
GARDERE: I see this in a lot of people. They do cheat. There are infidelities. We have to look at this brand of cheating. This is a man who is so ego centric, he'll cheat in his home, with a housekeeper, with a woman who is friends with Maria. Maria supported this woman in many ways, so this is the ultimate betrayal. We don't normally see people cheating in that way. This is an in your face. I'm the man and I can do this cheating.
MALVEAUX: We have got five seconds left here. He's lied before. He's admitted he's lied. Why should we believe anything he says on "60 Minutes"?
GARDERE: I don't think he said anything that's been an untruth. He owned up to everything because he feels this is his life. it is his unbelievably true life and part, again, of that narcissism. You all have to hear this, because I'm so great. I fell, I got up, and this is how great I really am.
MALVEAUX: Jeff, thank you so much. Got to leave it there.
GARDERE: OK.
MALVEAUX: All right. Take a look at this one. This is an ear that is growing in an arm. This is real. We'll explain what this means for the future in medicine.
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MALVEAUX: Got to see it to believe it, actually. Doctors at Johns Hopkins grew an ear. What is even stranger, they grew it inside the patient's arm. Check out this photo. That is the photo there.
Elizabeth Cohen is explaining this.
So explain how that is even possible and why they did this.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: The pictures are eye popping. I've seen them dozens of times.
Suzanne, here's what happened. 42-year-old Sherrie Walter, from Maryland, she had skin cancer on her ear and surgeons, as you see, had to remove most of her ear. And so they -- thinking about how to do it, and said, let's try this. They took cartilage from her rib cage and they took that cartilage and shaped it into this, into an ear. That's actually cartilage. They then put it under her arm and left it there for four months. And over time, the skin grew over it, they cut it out, they put it on her ear. And we're going to show you what it looks like on her ear. They actually did a final -- this is not the final version. The final version is more sculpted. She's got a lobe. But that's approximately what it looks like.
MALVEAUX: Does it work? Is this -- can she hear?
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COHEN: It does work. She can hear. She can hear like she did before. And before they did this whole procedure, she couldn't.
Now, it is important to point out they gave her a device, an implant that goes inside that helps her hear. It is not the new area per se that does it, it is what was put behind it. But now she has an ear and she doesn't -- she was going to maybe get a prosthetic that she would have to glue on every day which would be a pain in the neck. This is now part of her body.
MALVEAUX: Do we know how long it took to grow that ear?
COHEN: It took four months. The cartilage was there. That was easy and relatively quick to do. Four months in there. And here's why, Suzanne. The blood vessels had to attach to it. Blood vessels in her arm grew in the cartilage, the skin grew over it, and they kind of puffed up the skin to make it grow over it, and that's why they needed four months.
MALVEAUX: Wow. It is fascinating. Amazing technology in medicine. Unbelievable.
COHEN: It is incredible.
MALVEAUX: Thanks. Appreciate it.
Today is the 30th anniversary of the first C.D. released. Can you name it?
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MALVEAUX: You're listening to Billy Joel's "My Life." Love this song. It is from his album "52nd Street." Very first commercial C.D. released. This compact disc, or C.D., turns 30 years old today. When the first C.D. player hit the market back in 1982, it sold for $730. Today, that would be more than $1700. I love the C.D. player. I love the albums, too. I still have albums.
CNN NEWSROOM continues right now with Brooke Baldwin.
Hey, Brook.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Hi.
