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Nancy Grace
Search Continues for Missing Colorado 10-Year-Old
Aired October 10, 2012 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Westminster, Colorado. 8:30 AM, this little girl, 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway, walks three blocks en route to school. Mommy watches as she walks away from home. Jessica never seen again.
Bombshell tonight. FBI, search dogs descend onto Jessica`s home and back yard, taking away bags of evidence. But as of tonight, at this hour, I`m convinced Jessie`s mom has nothing to do with her girl`s disappearance. You hear the evidence. You decide.
And tonight, another piece of the puzzle. A mystery man in a four- door Cadillac-type sedan tries to lure little girls into the car with candy. And now a fingerprint kidnap (ph) just one state over.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SARAH RIDGEWAY, MOTHER:
I knew when they called and said she hadn`t come to school -- I knew something was wrong. She never misses school. She loves school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FBI agents swoop in on Jessica Ridgeway`s home, dogs scouring the back yard for new clues in her disappearance.
RIDGEWAY: If they have to eliminate me, go right ahead. I know I didn`t do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t see how any parent could do something like that to their child.
RIDGEWAY: I watched her walk out the door and I shut the door. And that`s the last time I saw her! (INAUDIBLE) walking back through that door!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want to find my daughter. I just want her back home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are doing everything humanly possible to bring this girl home and find whoever is responsible for this horrible act.
RIDGEWAY: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The little girl who loves to dance, often giggling and always playing with her dolls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll never stop looking. We love her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Live to Westminster, Colorado. 8:30 AM, this 10- year-old girl walks three blocks en route to school. Mommy even watches her as she leaves the home. She`s never seen again. FBI and search dogs descend onto Jessica`s home and back yard, taking away bags of evidence.
And tonight, another piece of the puzzle. A mystery man in a four- door Cadillac-type sedan tries to lure little girls into the car with candy. And now at this hour, a fingerprint kidnap of another little girl just one state over in Wyoming.
And as I`m literally reading this to you, reading the evidence right in front of me, I`m hearing that there is an alleged sighting near Maine of Jessica Ridgeway -- this is all the way on the other side of the country -- and a lookout, I`m hearing right now, on a station wagon. OK, we`re going to get all that information.
Straight out to Matt Zarrell. Matt, what`s happening? What`s this about a sighting in Maine and a lookout for a station wagon? Is that correct?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy. This just broke. Police in Maine have issued a statewide alert for a light blue station wagon after a possible sighting of Jessica Ridgeway was reported.
Now, we know the circumstances of her disappearance. A woman called after seeing the Amber Alert on her computer, reported the possible sighting. The woman said that the girl was in the back seat, looked very much like Jessica, light blue Buick station wagon with Colorado plates.
GRACE: Colorado plates. Now I`m interested, Matt Zarrell, because when I hear of sightings all across the country that seem virtually impossible, now that you`re telling me it`s a station wagon with Colorado plates, now I`m interested. What more can you tell me about that, Matt Zarrell?
ZARRELL: OK, I`ve got a little bit more on the vehicle for you. It`s got chrome-like wheels. It`s a four-door car, roof racks. There is nothing on the rack. A female saw a girl fitting Jessica`s description in a light blue station wagon, sitting in the back seat of the car just yesterday. And this is just breaking now. A statewide alert has been issued for this vehicle.
GRACE: And that`s in Maine?
ZARRELL: Correct...
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GRACE: What part of Maine?
ZARRELL: It`s near Bangor, Maine, Nancy.
GRACE: Near Bangor, Maine. I know that there is an international airport right there. Clark, get me the information right now. Station wagons? When have you seen somebody driving a station wagon, unless it`s a very, very late model.
Matt Zarrell, any idea of the make and the model on that?
ZARRELL: No, Nancy, I have not seen anything about the make or model. I have only seen reports of a roof rack. But there is nothing on the roof. This is in Dexter, Maine, about 40 miles west of Bangor. We`re still trying to get information, but a BOLO has been issued and a statewide alert for the vehicle.
GRACE: OK, BOLO -- be on the lookout. Also joining me right now, special guest Jill McGranahan, he public information coordinator with Arvada Police Department joining me from Colorado. Thank you very much for being with us, Jill.
JILL MCGRANAHAN, ARVADA POLICE DEPARTMENT (via telephone): Happy to do it.
GRACE: What can you tell me about the man attempting to lure children into the car in your jurisdiction six miles away?
MCGRANAHAN: On September 9th and September 12th, we had two young boys that came forward, very similar stories that a gentleman, brown hair, about 5-foot-9, medium build approached them in a blue four-door sedan offering them candy if they would get in the car with him.
Thankfully, both of them knew to run away and go tell an adult. And we made the decision to put the information out to the public, let them know that there`s two similar cases and to talk to their kids about stranger danger.
GRACE: Did they get a look at the driver of the vehicle that you can relay to us tonight?
MCGRANAHAN: We have a sketch on our Web site, which is Arvadapd.org. I think it`s important, though, to note that that is not the suspect in Jessica Ridgeway`s disappearance. We`re looking at it, but no connection has been established.
GRACE: Well, how do you know it`s not the same person?
MCGRANAHAN: We don`t. But we don`t know that it is, either. And...
GRACE: But you said -- you just announced on national TV that this is not related to Jessica. How do you know it`s not related?
MCGRANAHAN: I`m stating that we don`t know if it is or if it isn`t. It`s being looked at. But I don`t want people to become fixed on one idea when we don`t know what the facts are.
GRACE: OK. I understand that completely. But it`s just that when you said this is not the person that took Jessica -- I mean, we don`t know who took Jessica.
MCGRANAHAN: Right. What I`m saying is the sketch of our suspect, we don`t know that that is who took Jessica. We don`t...
GRACE: Exactly!
MCGRANAHAN: We don`t want to make that alignment (ph).
GRACE: Right. So you don`t know if he did and you don`t know if he didn`t.
MCGRANAHAN: Correct.
GRACE: Could you tell me, Ms. McGranahan, what time of the day or night did the alleged incident occur where the children were tried to be lured into a vehicle with candy? What time?
MCGRANAHAN: Both boys were approached in the evening about -- between 5:00 and 6:00 PM.
GRACE: Is it dark at that time in your jurisdiction?
MCGRANAHAN: Not at this time.
GRACE: So it`s still daylight. How close would that be to Jessica`s school?
MCGRANAHAN: I`m not sure how close it is to the school. The six miles is between our most -- our closest incident and where Jessica disappeared.
GRACE: To Nia Bender with Clear Channel. Isn`t it actually in the neighborhood of Jessica`s school?
NIA BENDER, OPERATIONS MANAGER, CLEAR CHANNEL (via telephone): The Arvada incident, Nancy?
GRACE: Yes.
BENDER: It`s not that close. I mean, it is six or seven miles away. And her school is roughly three blocks from her home. So there`s still a few miles distance there.
GRACE: OK, hold on. Hold on. Nia, how far is Jessica`s home from her school?
BENDER: Three blocks.
GRACE: Now, that`s interesting because I was told that she walked three blocks to hook up with some other little girlfriends and then walk to school. Is that not accurate?
BENDER: That is accurate. They said that she was going to walk up to the park and meet some friends, and then go back to school, so...
GRACE: OK. You know what? I`m still not getting a clear picture. Leave the map up just for a moment, if you could, Liz. I`d like to try to reconcile what Jill is telling me with what Nia is telling me.
OK, family home, 76 yards to the school. Then you go another quarter mile, then a half mile to Witt Elementary. It was my understanding that her home is about a mile from her school. Matt Zarrell, can you clear that up for me?
ZARRELL: Yes, Nancy, that`s correct. It is about 1.3 miles from the school. The meeting was three blocks away.
GRACE: O. So the school is not three blocks away from her home. Let me clarify. This is very important, Matt. It`s very important, so please do your best. Her school, Witt Elementary, is about one mile from her home, right?
ZARRELL: Correct.
GRACE: OK. Back to Jill McGranahan, public information coordinator with the police department there in Arvada. Jill, is Witt Elementary in your jurisdiction?
MCGRANAHAN: It is in Westminster`s jurisdiction.
GRACE: So that would be no. Now, how far away was the candy incident from Witt Elementary?
MCGRANAHAN: I do not know where Witt Elementary is located. (INAUDIBLE) incident between Jessica and our most -- our closest one is six miles...
GRACE: OK.
MCGRANAHAN: ... and you said it was a mile away, I would say between five and seven miles.
GRACE: OK, let me think about this. Liz, if you could, try to -- try to let`s figure this out. Here you`re saying about five-and-a-half miles from Jessica`s home, all the way to Fitzmorris Elementary, where the candy incident is.
And what I`m getting at -- to you, Nia Bender -- is the exact route these girls would have taken. Now, we know she disappears between her home and three blocks away. So I wonder whose homes she walks past. Is there anybody that`s at home at that time of the day? Are there any registered sex offenders between her home and the little park where she was going to meet the other three girls?
And also, as my mind is turning, Nia Bender, I`m wondering who lives along that five-mile stretch where the other children were approached and lured with candy. Who lives there? Who would be watching that roadway, watching to see children walking back and forth to work? Nia, have they done a door-to-door, and have police looked at the registered sex offenders along that pathway?
BENDER: They certainly have. And they are continuing to go door to door. In fact, some of the neighbors in Westminster have been told that they may be coming back to visit again, not because they`re under suspicion or anything, but just looking for any clue. And yes, they have run through all of the sex offenders in the area, as well.
GRACE: Joining me right now on the scene is Shaul Turner. Hi, Shaul. Thanks for being with us. What`s the latest?
SHAUL TURNER, KDVR: Well, the latest is they`re focusing the search now on the waterways around the area near this suburb of Denver, Westminster. And what police are carefully telling us is that this is something that they do on a routine basis. They have no reason to suspect that Jessica may be anywhere near these waterways, but they are doing this because they don`t want to leave any stone uncovered.
At this point, they`ve also been focusing again here in the neighborhood. They have gone to over 400 homes in four days, and of course, they have focused on Jessica`s home, as well as talking to Jessica`s parents, Sarah and Jeremy Ridgeway.
Now, one thing we learned after talking to the FBI, Jessica`s father was point-blank asked in that interview with the FBI if he believes that her mother may have had anything at all to do with this, and he adamantly said that he did not believe she had anything at all to do with this.
Now, still, the FBI went over their home, which is right here. I`m giving you a look. There you see a strong police presence, as we`re showing you. Now, what they did is they took a look at everything from the dryer vent to the vacuum cleaner filter to bedding, fibers in the carpet, drains in the kitchen, drains in the bathrooms looking for sign of blood or any sign of a struggle.
Of course, we do not have word at this point of the outcome of what they have gathered inside the home.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FBI agents descended on Jessica Ridgeway`s home as her emotional parents spoke out for the first time.
RIDGEWAY: You get the pit in your stomach that you don`t want any parent -- any parent to -- to ever experience in their whole entire life!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably the worst thing I`ve ever been through (INAUDIBLE)
RIDGEWAY: I know I didn`t do anything. Everybody that`s here knows I didn`t do anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I want to go straight back out to Shaul Turner joining us there on the scene, with KDVR. Shaul, thank you for being with us. You know, the mom coming under fire tonight, but I got to clarify what I know. I`m going to go to Marc Klaas on this, if he knows something more than me on it.
The mom has completely cooperated with police. The police, the FBI, the K-9s came into the home with her agreement. It was a permission search. They did not have to seek a warrant. And she says she understands they got to look at her first and then move on. She`s been nothing but cooperative, to my understanding, Shaul.
TURNER: Yes. Absolutely. And the police have been very clear about that from the get-go. In all of the press conferences they`ve given, the family has been extremely cooperative.
But remember, a lot of this, as I`m sure you all know, Nancy, is routine. They have got to clear any type of suspicion surrounding the immediate family, and then they move on from there.
Now, there`s also been a lot of talk about a black truck, a man who may have been driving around the neighborhood. And this morning in the most recent press conference, police said that they want to be careful to point out that that`s not going to be an issue here. It`s not a situation where neighbors need to keep their kids off the streets because someone`s roaming around, trying to stalk them or hunt them.
They are not leaving any stone unturned in this investigation. This area around Denver has several lakes, creeks, ponds. There are a lot of places they`re going to need to search today as they focus in that area. They`ve already focused, from an air search, on the ground, as I said, 400 homes in four days here in the neighborhood. An they are now expanding that search.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. I want to go back out to Matt Zarrell. Matt, I understand you`ve got an update on that light blue station wagon sighting in Maine with Colorado plates, a sighting, a possible sighting of little Jessica?
ZARRELL: Yes, Nancy. I`ve got more on the car. The witness described the car the girl was seen in as a light blue station wagon. Buick was the model that she gave, a mid-1990s model with Colorado plates. Unfortunately, she did not give the plate number. As I mentioned, the car had roof racks, also had five spoke wheels. The sighting was in Dexter, Maine, which is just over 2,000 miles from Westminster, Colorado, where Jessica was last seen.
GRACE: Nia Bender, joining me from Denver Clear Channel. Nia, I want to talk about this little girl`s disappearance. Has the mom taken a polygraph? The dad was out of state. And I`m asking not because I suspect the mother but because she`s the last one to have seen the girl. What do you know?
BENDER: To the best of my knowledge, she has not taken a polygraph test. Of course, as you heard Shaul explain, they have gone through and searched the home.
GRACE: Let me go to Aaron Brehove, body language expert, senior instructor at the Body Language Institute, author of "Knack (ph) Body Language."
Aaron, you have carefully combed over all of every video that we have of the mom speaking. What is your determination?
AARON BREHOVE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: I have. Well, there is a lot -- there`s red flags that are scattered throughout the video of deception. But when you look at it as a full picture, you really don`t see it as being deceptive.
GRACE: What red flag? I didn`t see a red flag.
BREHOVE: Well, we see that there is -- she makes a statement, Everybody that`s here -- everybody that`s here knows I didn`t do anything. When you make a character testimony like that, it`s a red flag. But then when you look at -- when you look at the whole picture...
GRACE: OK, well, I`ve got to agree with you on that because when you`re not being accused, why would you say, I didn`t do it? But...
BREHOVE: Exactly.
GRACE: ... in essence, the FBI did focus on her by looking at the home, by looking at -- hey, hey, when`s the last time the FBI has gone through your dust vent, Aaron Brehove? I would feel like they were looking at me, too. So when you put it in that context it`s not unusual that she said that. Give me your next red flag, please.
BREHOVE: Exactly. So we see some things that are red flags when you look at it individually, but when you look at it in context...
GRACE: Such as?
BREHOVE: So another red flag is when you see her -- she gives a lot of detail about some things that don`t seem to be too relevant to the case.
GRACE: Like what?
BREHOVE: So for instance, the -- when she talks about her -- being called on her phone and there was a voicemail that was left for her by the school, she didn`t pick up her phone. She gives a lot of detail as to why she didn`t pick up that phone.
GRACE: Well, you know why? Because she feels bad. That`s sticking in her mind. She`s sensitive and defensive about that because she works the graveyard shift. She comes home, the school is calling all day, Hey, hey, hey, where`s your daughter? She didn`t pick up the phone.
So naturally, she feels defensive about that and she goes out of her way to explain why she didn`t pick the phone up.
BREHOVE: Exactly.
GRACE: I understand that, too. I still don`t see a red flag.
Give me your next shot.
BREHOVE: So I`m saying the red flags, when you look at them in a microscope. When you look at it in context of the whole case, they do seem to be very truthful. There doesn`t seem to be a red flag when you look at it in scope of the entire case. So I wouldn`t say there`s a red flag. It doesn`t seem like she`s deceptive overall.
GRACE: Well, you`ve gone...
BREHOVE: And I wanted to...
GRACE: ... from several red flags to no red flag.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RIDGEWAY: I knew when they called and said she hadn`t come to school -- I knew something was wrong. She never misses school. She loves school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FBI agents swoop in on Jessica Ridgeway`s home, dogs scouring the back yard for new clues in her disappearance.
RIDGEWAY: If they have to eliminate me, go right ahead. I know I didn`t do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t see how any parent could do something like that to their child.
RIDGEWAY: I watched her walk out the door and I shut the door. And that`s the last time I saw her! (INAUDIBLE) walking back through that door!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want to find my daughter. I just want her back home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are doing everything humanly possible to bring this girl home and find whoever is responsible for this horrible act.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The little girl who loves to dance often giggling and always playing with her dolls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll never stop looking. We love her.
RIDGEWAY: I know I didn`t do anything. Everybody that`s here knows I didn`t do anything and nobody knows Jeremy or nobody else -- nobody in this room did anything to harm her or a little hair on her tiny little head so, you know, if they have to eliminate me, go right ahead. I know I didn`t do anything. Everybody who knows me and knows her and knows our family knows we didn`t do anything. So I know it`s something that has to get done.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: For those of you just joining us let`s go over what we know. Imagine this. Your 10-year-old little girl has three blocks to walk to meet up with her little friends en route to school. It`s about a one-mile walk to school. I walked that -- a little over that to school and back in elementary school. Three blocks. In three blocks she is gone.
We are taking your calls. As it turns out, I don`t know if the whole community knew, but before that a mystery man had been trying to lure children into his car with candy about five miles away. But nobody knew. It hadn`t gotten out there.
Long story short, at this hour we understand that there has been a potential sighting of Jessica thousands of miles away in Maine. A light blue, late model station wagon, lots of chrome on it, Colorado plates, may have a little girl that resembles Jessica.
Now the reality is, is that statistically these sightings are not accurate. They are well-intentioned but it`s not the right kid. The fact that that station wagon has Colorado plates heightens the police interest in that vehicle.
We are taking your calls, out to Mary Ann in Colorado. Hi, Mary Ann. What`s your question, dear?
MARY ANN, CALLER FROM COLORADO: Have they posted a picture without her glasses?
GRACE: You`re cutting out on me, Mary Ann, but I think I understand. Is there a photo of her without her glasses?
Let`s see them. There you go. There she is without her glasses. And another issue is the little girl that was abducted in the next state over in Wyoming is wearing glasses almost identical to this little girl`s. To Jessica Ridgeway. We`re not showing her face, the 11-year-old. She has been recovered and she is an alleged sex assault victim, therefore her face is not being shown tonight.
But if you take a look at these glasses it`s the same body build, the same complexion, the same shape of the face and almost identical fingerprint crime one state over from the disappearance of Jessica Ridgeway. So there is your photo.
Out to Jill in Minnesota. Hi, Jill. What is your question?
JILL, CALLER FROM MINNESOTA: Hi, Nancy. I`m a grandmother of seven grandchildren under the age of 9. And I`m just so disturbed by all of the reports coming in of children being killed and abused and kidnapped.
What can we as a public do to, you know, prevent some of this? Do we need stricter laws? Do we need -- you know, what can we do to keep our children safe?
GRACE: Out to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "How to Save Your Daughter`s Life." Weigh in, Pat Brown.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "HOW TO SAVE YOUR DAUGHTER`S LIFE": Yes, we probably do need stricter laws. We need to understand that pedophiles are pedophiles and you don`t want them on the street. Period.
And as for this particular crime the other one is 500 miles away. That would be kind of unusual if he were also having anything to do with Jessica. Simply because pedophiles are usually right down the street in our own neighborhood. Just kind of where they live and where they troll. Unless he has suddenly moved over to live with his cousin it`s probably not the same guy. But there`s so many of those guys out there. It`s not surprising not just more than one rolling around.
GRACE: To you, Pat Brown, criminal profiler joining me out of D.C. this evening, what do you make of the fact that she only had three blocks to walk? She didn`t have the entire mile to walk to school. She went missing before she could even meet up with her little friends in the park three blocks away.
BROWN: Right. Well, there`s two possibilities. One is the simple fact that pedophiles, when they use -- they are in the neighborhood they`re always watching the streets. They`re always looking for the chance, like hey, that little girl is alone and there`s no witnesses. She`s gone. That`s one possibility.
And the other possibility is that she never left her home, which is what the police are looking at the mom to make sure that something didn`t happen in that home and there is no actual abductor out there.
GRACE: Joining me right now Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Marc, help us make sense of this.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I don`t know what there is to make sense of. We have a situation where there are at least two other incidents -- three other incidents of children reporting somebody stalking them in a vehicle. There are the two kids in the blue sedan and then there was another individual in a white van.
Yet the police are saying that parents shouldn`t be concerned. I think parents should be really, really concerned and I think that what they should do is they should find ways to ensure that the routes that their children are going to school, whether it is at a bus stop or walking, are surveilled in some way, whether it`s electronic surveillance, whether it`s a PTA project, whether it`s a neighborhood watch project. Maybe a church project.
There are ways to make sure that the kids are being tracked by responsible citizens as they go to school. And the reason we have to do this, Nancy, is because we all hear and see all the time about these kids that are either taken at the school bus stop or en route to the school. In fact, beginning with the Etan Patz case back in 1979 all the way through this one there are numerous instances.
We know these are dangerous routes. We know the children are vulnerable in these routes so they should be with at least one other person at all times and there should be some form of surveillance to ensure that - - the children`s safety as they are going to and from school.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: To help find 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway last seen leaving for school.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want to assure all of you that we are doing everything humanly possible to bring this girl home.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Do we know, Matt Zarrell, have police talked to the three little girls she was supposed -- the little girl she`s supposed to meet three blocks away? Did they see anything? Did they see her in the distance? Anything at all?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: They did speak to the girls that were at Chelsea Park waiting to meet Jessica. They won`t reveal the details of the conversation but they will say that the girls tell cops that Jessica never arrived and there is no indication that they saw her approaching.
GRACE: Nia Bender, yes, no, did Jessica have a cell phone?
NIA BENDER, OPERATIONS MANAGER, CLEAR CHANNEL DENVER: No.
GRACE: Are you positive?
BENDER: Yes.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Dan Winslow, former judge out of Boston. Kirby Clements, defense lawyer, Atlanta, Marla Chicotsky, defense attorney, Miami.
Dan Winslow, what do you make of it?
DAN WINSLOW, FORMER JUDGE: Well, I think that out of something that`s gone so wrong there`s so much that`s going right. The law enforcement community is actively engaged. The family and the community and their neighbors are actively engaged. The more eyes looking for this little girl all across America, the greater the chance she`s going to be returned safely back to her home.
GRACE: You know, another thing, Kirby, is, I understand -- I agree with you, Dan Winslow.
Kirby, I know they`re focused on the mom right now. She`s the last person to see her. Typically when children go missing, it`s an abduction within the family or violence within the family. But this mom has been completely cooperative, all right? Just her demeanor to me speaks strongly in her defense.
What do you think?
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I absolutely agree with you, Nancy. I mean her demeanor sounds like and her voice a woman who is really just totally lost right now. Her heart has been stolen from her. And she`s cooperated, she`s come forward, she`s on everything that you would expect someone to do. I mean you look at the father and the mother, I mean, even though they -- you know, they may have difficulties, they are holding hands, united to try to find this little girl.
GRACE: Marla?
MARLA CHICOTSKY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I completely agree. Usually if a defendant has some sort of criminal liability they`re going to lawyer up which is the term a lot of lawyers say.
GRACE: Really?
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GRACE: I`m going to remind you of that the next time somebody rushes out and hires a criminal defense attorney, because you`re going to say that means nothing. I`m going to play this back on you, Marla Chicotsky.
CHICOTSKY: I completely understand.
GRACE: With me, Caryn Stark. Caryn, our expert, Aaron Brehove, from the Body Language Institute, and he is an expert, I know that for a fact, Caryn Stark. He says he sees all these red flags in the mom`s statement. I disagree.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: I don`t know. Nancy, a body expert. I know that he`s saying he`s an expert, but he wasn`t even talking about what she was doing with her body. He was talking about what she was saying. And --
GRACE: What do you make of it?
STARK: And what I make of it is that she was a woman who was trying very hard to defend herself. After all the media is out there now. Everybody knows the first people that get looked at are the parents and people closest to the child. So I don`t see that she was doing anything that was unusual.
GRACE: And back to Shaul Turner with KDVR. Shaul, where is the mother now?
SHAUL TURNER, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KDVR: Inside the home right now, Nancy. The family has been very, very quiet inside the home. Not coming out. I have been out here since about 4:00 this morning and keeping a very close eye on the situation.
I can also tell you that a barrage of police from the Westminster Police Department have come out to the scene as they`re doing periodically. And what they`re doing is they are walking arm to arm still doing a lot of searching in this area that they`ve already searched several times.
Now another direction the search is taking today, a landfill that is nearby where garbage would have ended up from this area. Now they are not actually going through garbage in that landfill as of yet. But they have cordoned it off. They don`t want anything to move. They want to keep that situation static should they need to go and search through that landfill.
GRACE: Hey, Shaul --
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GRACE: I`m glad --
TURNER: I`m sorry, go ahead.
GRACE: Sorry. I`m glad they`re re-tracking the same. Because look at Sean Levy. They had 200 police cadets out looking for her. They missed her body by about 70 yards. All right? Because they were too close to the road. So the more you look the better.
Hey, what about this, Shaul Turner? Number one, have you gone and knocked on that door? Number two, have you walked the route from the home to the little park where she was supposed to meet her friends? And number three, in front of whose home was her backpack and water bottle found? Who are they?
TURNER: OK. Now the water bottle was found and the backpack off in an area that wasn`t extremely close to, like, up in someone`s front yard. OK. That`s the answer to that question. But as far as the home here and the location, remember, it`s six miles from where that backpack was found over in Superior, Colorado.
Here we did attempt to talk to them and came up to the doorway. Police are here basically keeping the peace and keeping folks away from that door. But again, they made that formal statement last night that came out --
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GRACE: Did you walk the three blocks? Have you walked the three blocks?
TURNER: The three blocks, yes. Yes. And -- and that`s a very good point.
GRACE: Do you have on high heels right now?
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TURNER: I can`t show you pictures and angles --
GRACE: Because if you don`t have on high heels --
TURNER: No. No.
GRACE: I want you to get walking because I want to know. What is between her house and that park? What is it? Who could have seen her? Is there an intersection? A bus stop?
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TURNER: Yes. And that`s what I want to paint the picture for you, Nancy. Excellent question. If you go down the street, there is a roadway that is pretty busy. Now remember, she left the house at 8:30 in the morning. There is a roadway that is very busy because there are office buildings in this area and there are subdivisions. And you go around the corner and then you`re going to see the school with elementary and the park where she was to meet up with her friends.
It`s really not that far of a distance. And there are a lot of people around at that time of the morning as I have been out here each morning and witnessed that myself. So, you know, again, it`s one of the things. And also you had a caller who mentioned we need to see more of Jessica without the glasses and whatnot. And the parents have supplied plenty of videotape.
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GRACE: OK. You just throw me for a loop. You just throw me for a loop, Shaul Turner. This is the first I`ve heard of offices being close by. What kind of offices? What`s there?
TURNER: A big office building that house big companies. They`ve got large parking lots and there`s also a recreation center right there on the corner with a huge parking lot and it opens at about 6:00 in the morning. So a lot of people go there and work out early in the morning. So people would have been there. That`s why I believe police are saying, although they`ve received more than 600 tips, anything else could be helpful. Somebody has to have seen something that could help them find Jessica.
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GRACE: Where is 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway? Is she still alive? Can she be found? Is the mother being cooperative? What do we know about her route to school?
To Shaul Turner, KDVR.
TURNER: Yes.
GRACE: The paper bag. It looks like it`s right outside somebody`s -- somebody`s yard. It`s right there on the sidewalk.
TURNER: Yes. Yes, I know. It`s right there. It`s in a subdivision area but not exactly up on a doorstep and whatnot, but again any situation like we just talked about, this area near the park, near the school, it`s a subdivision. I`ve got a shot down the street here. I can give you.
GRACE: OK, well, hold on.
TURNER: The office buildings, there`s the rec center, everywhere.
GRACE: Hold on, hold on. Let`s go back to that video because, Shaul, I was asking --
TURNER: OK.
GRACE: Everybody is focusing on where her backpack and water bottle were found. Everybody is looking at that three-block area.
Let`s see it, Liz. Come on. I want to see the video of the backpack and the water bottle. That is in a residential neighborhood. It is near somebody`s front yard.
TURNER: Yes.
GRACE: And I want to know who are those people? So OK. Now let me go back to Shaul Turner.
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TURNER: And they`ve talked to as many people as they can.
GRACE: I`ve got -- I`ve got some more info for you regarding that light blue station with a began, Shaul Turner, KDVR. It is a Buick, a mid- `90s model. Don`t have a tag number. No, it`s Colorado tag.
And Liz, when you can, let`s show the viewers what a Colorado license plate looks like. Light blue station wagon, Buick, Colorado plates. Report comes in on Sunday in Dexter, Maine, 40 miles west of Bangor.
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GRACE: American hero, Marine Lance Corporal Shawn Hefner, 22, (INAUDIBLE), Texas. Purple Heart, National Defense Service medal, Afghanistan Campaign medal. Loved outdoors, fishing, camping. Parents Robin, Patrick, sister Megan, brother Brandon.
Shawn Hefner, American hero.
Everyone, I want to thank you for your prayers regarding John David. He is out of the hospital. And here we are celebrating this past weekend at Disney with Tigger. There`s Lucy. Here we are at Legoland. And let me tell you we blew it out Disney Lego style.
Here we are with Darth Vader. Darth Vader made completely of Legos. That was a jousting match between John David and Lucy and his friends Luke, Matthew and Will. Report, John David won.
And here we are in a teacup.
Again, thank you for your prayers.
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GRACE: Straight back to Aaron Brehove, body language expert.
Aaron, why are you attacking the mother?
AARON BREHOVE, VOICE ANALYSIS AND BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: I`m not attacking the mother. I just wanted to --
GRACE: Yes, you are.
BREHOVE: Well, for the viewers I want them to understand when there`s a red flag it doesn`t necessarily mean that someone is being deceptive. We need to understand --
GRACE: You only said that after I corrected you. You started talking about all sorts of red flags and as Caryn Stark pointed out, you`re referring to what she said. What if anything did you notice about her nonverbal communication?
BREHOVE: Her non-verbals were basically in line. Were generally in line with what would we expect to see. She didn`t jump too much from one emotion to another. And she was relatively good. The non-verbals are red flags by itself --
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GRACE: OK, Brehove. I`m back on your side again. I`m back in your foxhole.
BREHOVE: OK.
GRACE: With me, Shaul Turner, there on the scene. Shaul, what was she wearing?
TURNER: She`s wearing black and pink. She`s wearing I believe black pants and a pink jacket at the time. But the problem is, and this is what police are emphasizing in every single press conference, is that, you know, basically forget about that. Focus on her features.
GRACE: Yes.
TURNER: Focus on the fact that she has a mark on the side of her nose from her glasses. Focus on things like that because the clothes are going to be changed.
GRACE: Yes, you`re right, Shaul. Shaul Turner, KDVR.
Tip line, important, 303-658-4336.
"DR. DREW" up next. Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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