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European Union Wins Nobel Peace Prize; Syrian Situation Examined; Nelson Mandela's Health Detailed; McAfee in Jail in Guatemala

Aired December 10, 2012 - 08:00   ET

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KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong and welcome to NEWS STREAM, where news and technology meet.

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STOUT (voice-over): Now the Nobel Peace Prize is being awarded right now to the European Union. And we will be live in Oslo.

And one of world football's oldest records is beaten as Lionel Messi scores more goals in one season than anyone in history.

And we'll introduce you to a $25 computer aimed at turning kids into hackers.

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STOUT: It has been a tough year for the European Union, but despite debt crises and economic stagnation, 2012 has also highlighted something else --

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STOUT (voice-over): -- the Norwegian Nobel Committee has handed the E.U. its prestigious Peace Prize. It praised the 27 member nations for their partnership and promoting democracy.

THORBJORN JAGLAND, NORWEGIAN NOBEL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: This continent has achieved peace truly fantastic from being a continent of war to becoming a continent of peace. In this process, the European Union has figured most prominently and therefore deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

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STOUT: Let's take you to Oslo, Norway, right now; Jonathan Mann is standing by.

And Jonathan, the ceremony is still underway. What's the latest?

JONATHAN MANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, we're just a short distance away from Oslo's City Hall, where the leaders are gathered for this ceremony. Incredibly tight security here, more like a summit than just a ceremony, because essentially the entire European Union leadership is here.

Angela Merkel of Germany, Francois Hollande of France, the only standaway is that David Cameron of Britain, but he sent his deputy prime minister in his place.

And so literally roughly 2 dozen European leaders, the largest gathering of international leaders Norway has ever received. And it's ironic, because Norway itself has rejected membership in the European Union twice, and of course, the E.U. is going through no end of problems right now, an economic crisis that is raising questions about the Eurozone itself.

And yet what we're hearing today is a very different story, a bigger story about the history of the European Union, why it's so important at this moment. In fact, the European Commission president, Juan Manuel Barroso, is addressing the dignitaries at Oslo City Hall. Let's listen in.

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JUAN MANUEL BARROSO, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COMMISSION: The European Union in the world is deeply marked by our continent's tragic experience of extreme wars and the absolute evil of the Shoah. It is inspired by our desire to avoid the same mistakes being made again.

That is the foundation of our multilateral approach for a globalization based on the twin principles of global solidarity and global responsibility. That is what inspires our engagement with our neighboring countries and international partners, from the Middle East to Asia, from Africa to the Americas.

It defines our stance against the death penalty and our support for international justice embodied by the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court. It drives our leadership in the fight against climate change and for food and energy security. It underpins our policies on disarmament and against nuclear proliferation.

And as a continent that went from devastation to become one of the world's strongest economies, with the most progressive social systems, being the world's largest aid donor, we have a special responsibility to millions of people in need.

In the 21st century it is simply unacceptable to see parents powerless as their baby is dying of lack of basic medical care, mothers compelled to walk all day in the hope of getting food or clean water and boys and girls deprived of their childhood because they are forced to become adults ahead of time.

As a community of nations that has overcome war and fought totalitarianism, we will always stand by those who are in pursuit of peace and human dignity.

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MANN: Peace and human dignity. Peace -- that word keeps coming up over and over again. It's appropriate on this day. This is the Nobel Peace Prize, after all. But what's remarkable is that for most of the people who live in Europe, the European Union isn't really associated with that. It's a dull topic. It's a dreary topic.

It doesn't seem to be a matter of life and death. I think we do have, though, a brief excerpt from the earlier speech given by the president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, who explained that in his life, his thoughts about the European Union date back to his own family's experience during World War II. Listen to what he had to say.

HERMAN VAN ROMPUY, PRESIDENT, EUROPEAN COUNCIL: In 1940, my father, then 17, had to dig his own grave. He got away; otherwise, I would not be here today.

Ladies and gentlemen, what a bold bet it was, for Europe's Founders, to say, yes, yes we can. Yes, we can break this endless cycle of violence; we can stop the logic of vengeance; we can build a brighter future together. What power of imagination.

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MANN: The crisis in Europe is very real. The impact on people in countries that have been crushed by debt is life-altering. But when you think about what Europe was not so long ago for two centuries, a slaughterhouse, a battlefield. The achievement now of Europe entirely at peace, war unthinkable, that achievement is what is being celebrated here today in Oslo, Kristie.

STOUT: That's right. These European leaders casting the E.U. in a more positive light, promoting peace, reconciliation -- now, Jonathan, when the prize was first announced earlier this year, it was controversial. It caused a stir. And many thought that the E.U. simply did not deserve it.

Do you think what we're hearing now, this ceremony, will that change some of that negative thinking?

MANN: It's hard to know. It was controversial. It remains controversial. Just last night here in Oslo, there was a small demonstration of Norwegians and others who were opposed to granting the E.U. this astonishing honor because of its crisis, because of the debt that has been pressed down on so many people in southern Europe.

Will the controversy end because these leaders have gathered or these three E.U. leaders can recall the years of war? War and fear of war were the driving forces behind the creation of the European Union. So many Europeans are so young; even adult Europeans can barely remember what it was that they're talking about today here in Oslo, the centuries of war on this continent.

Will it change dramatically? It's hard to expect. And I'll just give you one more indication. The very same leaders who are today in Oslo will next week be at another summit trying to establish new banking rules for the European Union, crucial work, regulatory work, utterly dull, no drama, no sense of why building a new Europe is so important or why it will help its people.

All of this talk of war and peace will end and will be back to dollars and cents and euros. And there the crisis just drags on and on, Kristie.

STOUT: And, Jonathan, a technical question about the prize itself. The European Union has been awarded a prize of some $1.2 million. Where will the money go?

MANN: Well, it's going to go to young people, to victims of war. What I'm intrigued to find out -- and we're going to, I hope, in three hours, when we talk to the three leaders (inaudible) on CNN about the prize, is how hard it was to decide.

You know, the European Union is famously bureaucratic and disputatious organization, 27 countries, thousands of bureaucrats or Eurocrats, as they're known, endless debate and very slow to move. I mean, what do they do? Take a show of hands? We don't know how they decided. But it's gone to an appropriate and lofty goal.

They're thinking about building the E.U. for future generations. They're thinking about building the E.U. for peace. And so the money is going to go to young victims of war, which is -- which is entirely (inaudible).

STOUT: Yes, a very worthy cause indeed. And looking forward to that interview.

Jonathan Mann, joining us live from Oslo, and Jonathan will be there live from Oslo as he sits down with the European Commission president, Jose Manuel Barroso, as well as the European Parliament president, Martin Schultz, and the European Council president, Herman Van Rompuy.

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STOUT (voice-over): How do they view the E.U.'s embattled achievement? And what still lies ahead? Watch "Prize for Peace: Nobel 2012." (Inaudible) in Hong Kong. You can catch it at midnight at 8:00 pm in Abu Dhabi only here on CNN.

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STOUT: Now to North Korea, where the window for a controversial rocket launch has been extended by one week due to what state media call a technical deficiency in the engine module. Satellite images of the Saegheh (ph) launch missile, like this one taken last Tuesday, show increased activity and preparation for the launch.

The North Korean government says it is putting a scientific satellite into orbit. Now other countries, including the U.S. and South Korea have condemned the launch, calling it cover for a ballistic missile test.

Now to Syria and growing concerns that the civil war could become a chemical war. Our CNN U.S. official and senior diplomats tell CNN that the U.S. and some European allies are using defense contractors to train rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles. And just last week, CNN was told Syrian forces have begun combining chemicals that could be used to create the deadly gas sarin.

Damascus denies it would ever use chemical weapons against its own people.

This is a recent picture from Syria's commercial capital of Aleppo. And the women you see here, they are waiting for bread. It is a basic necessity, but costs are sky-high; fuel prices are also rising. And piles of uncollected garbage fill the city streets. Arwa Damon takes us inside Aleppo.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Crammed inside a tiny two-room home, the adults say they can handle the hunger. It's the children they worry about. There are 13 of them. Relatives moved in together after one family's home was destroyed. When we asked the kids what they ate today, the response is, "Nothing."

Mohamed Sanmal (ph), father of about half the children here, tells us:

MOHAMED SANMAL (PH): (Speaking Arabic).

DAMON (voice-over): "Today I sent my brother to get bread at 6:00 am. Look; it's 3:00 pm right now and he hasn't gotten any. The kids haven't eaten."

The power is out, as it's been for weeks. And now the water is cut as well. There is a growing sense of desperation among people here, stalked by both hunger and danger.

"God gave me these children. These children are my responsibility," Sanmal (ph) laments. "Now I can't even get them a loaf of bread. Before, I could. Now, I can't."

The price of bread has skyrocketed due to a flour shortage. Along with it, a population's anger.

DAMON: The situation is so dire that people say society is beginning to disintegrate. This is yet another breadline. We were just at one further up the road, where the crowd ended up mobbing around us, furious. They said that they wanted us to leave because they were fed up with people filming them. They feel as if the world is simply mocking their misery.

DAMON (voice-over): In just four days, the cost of fuel jumped from 85 Syrian pounds to 150. But beyond the now astronomical cost of survival, it's the constant fear and insecurity that has come to define life here.

Snipers seemingly everywhere, the threat of random artillery or airstrikes constant. And then there is the daily assault on human dignity. In a city once known for its beauty and heritage, children pick their way through the streets that are now a massive garbage dump.

What makes it more unbearable is that few can see an end in sight -- Arwa Damon, CNN, Aleppo.

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STOUT: Desperate scenes inside Aleppo.

Now you're watching NEWS STREAM and still ahead, Nelson Mandela in hospital.

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STOUT (voice-over): The former South African leader is undergoing more tests, but is said to be doing well. We'll have a full update coming up.

Also concerns about the health of Hugo Chavez. The Venezuelan president returns to Cuba for more cancer surgery.

And speaking out about the radio prank that turned tragic, the deejays (inaudible) a call to a hospital treating Prince William's pregnant wife apologize and express their deep sadness.

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STOUT: Welcome back. You're watching NEWS STREAM and this is a visual rundown of all the stories we're covering on the show today. We've shown you the Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to the E.U. And later, we'll tell you about another record broken by Lionel Messi.

But first to South Africa, where people are waiting for word on the condition of former leader Nelson Mandela. He's been hospitalized in Pretoria since Saturday and there's been little information on his condition. But President Jacob Zuma visited Mr. Mandela on Sunday and said that he looked, quote, "comfortable and in good care."

Now the 94-year old has been in increasingly frail health since he retired from public life. Robyn Curnow joins us now live from Pretoria with more.

And, Robyn, no cause for alarm, we're hearing. But what do you know of Nelson Mandela's health and overall condition?

ROBYN CURNOW, CNN HOST: Hi, there. Well, we're outside the military hospital where he is receiving more tests today. That's according to the latest statement from the presidency. Throughout the past three days, both the government and the family and those close to Mandela have been at pains to reassure the public to downplay this health scare

So although they have been giving a lot of comment, saying don't worry, don't panic, there's not a lot of detail. Take a listen to the defense minister and what she had to say a little bit earlier on.

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NOSIVIWE MAPISA-NQAKULA, SOUTH AFRICAN DEFENSE MINISTER: He is doing very, very well and that it is important for all of us to -- well, to keep him in our prayers, but also to be as calm as possible and not cause a state of panic in the country, because I don't think that is what all of us need right now.

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CURNOW: So as you can see, there is -- I think there's a concern from the government that there is going to be some sort of panic, but there isn't. I think many South Africans are pretty pragmatic. They know he's old and they just really care about how he's doing in this hospital behind me.

STOUT: You know, concern about panic (ph) but also concern about his privacy. I was wondering if you could describe, Robyn, the international media presence there outside the hospital and just how much information the authorities are willing to offer.

CURNOW: Well, we're literally all camping out on the side of a road. It's quite a busy road; there are probably three or four satellite trucks, a number of photographers, people huddled under umbrellas or bus shelters and trees, because it's very hot here in Pretoria.

And really, the media's being fed piecemeal pieces of information, like I said. A sense, though, that he's doing OK, that, you know, don't worry, don't panic.

But in terms of the detail, we have absolutely no idea why Nelson Mandela is in hospital, what the condition is, what tests he's having and why he was flown from his rural home in the Eastern Cape to this hospital here in Pretoria, which is more than two hours away. Doctors must have been sufficiently concerned about his health to move him here.

STOUT: So all that we know right now is that he is in the hospital behind you in Pretoria. Therefore, medical tests consistent for a man of his age. What is the reaction there to all this? How have South Africans been reacting to the news?

CURNOW: Well, I think South African are pragmatic. There is a sense that they know that he won't live forever. And he has been very frail; this is the second time he's been in hospital this year. He hasn't been seen in public for two years. So I think South Africans are quietly praying, wishing him well. But at the same time, they know that there is going to be a day when Nelson Mandela isn't here.

STOUT: Robyn Curnow reporting for us live from Pretoria, thank you very much indeed for that update.

Now the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, faces another fight for his life. He is now in Cuba to undergo cancer surgery yet again. And Mr. Chavez made the surprise announcement on Saturday, saying doctors had detected malignant cells and for the first time, the Venezuelan president said he wants his vice president to succeed him if he is incapacitated.

Mr. Chavez first underwent surgery in June of 2011. He said doctors in Cuba removed a cancerous tumor but did not specify what type of cancer.

President Chavez, he looked thin and frail when he finally returned to Venezuela in July. He went back to Cuba a couple weeks later, delegating some of his power to the vice president and finance minister before departing.

By October, Mr. Chavez declared that there were no malignant cells left in his body. But in February of this year, he announced that he would need more surgery. Now his supporters showered him with flowers as he headed back to Cuba.

Mr. Chavez traveled there frequently for treatment and in July he once again declared himself cancer-free. He went on to win reelection in October, but just seven weeks into his new six-year term, President Chavez returned to Cuba for another round of medical treatment. And now the 58- year old says his life is in God's hands.

You're watching NEWS STREAM. And still ahead, the goal (ph) standard. Barcelona's Lionel Messi makes football history, so what next for the 25- year old?

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STOUT: Live from Hong Kong, you're back watching NEWS STREAM.

Now he is regarded by many football fans as the best player in the world right now. And Lionel Messi has added another landmark to his collection of records.

Alex Thomas is here to tell us just how he did it.

Alex?

ALEX THOMAS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, Kristie, just days after a knee injury threatened to sideline him for weeks, Lionel Messi's returned to action for Barcelona and smashed football's 40-year-old record for goals scored in a single year.

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THOMAS (voice-over): The Argentina forward grabbed both of Barca's goals as the Catalan club stayed top of Spain's La Liga with a 2-1 victory over Real Betis on Sunday. It took his tally of goals for 2012 to 86, one better than Gerd Muller's 1972 mark.

So the legend of this skillful 25-year old from South America just grows and grows. He now stands top of this list of the highest goal scorers in a calendar year, above legends like Muller and Brazil's Pele.

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THOMAS: Manchester United have taken a decisive grip of the Premier League title race here in England after a nail-biting last-ditch victory over their closest challengers, Manchester City.

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THOMAS (voice-over): Despite playing away from home, United made a flying start to the game at the Etihad Stadium, going (inaudible) thanks to strikes from Wayne Rooney. But City, England's reigning champions, hit back through Yaya Toure and Pablo Zabaleta before Robin Van Persie's free kick in the dying second snatched all the points for United.

ROBERTO MANCINI, MANCHESTER CITY MANAGER: (Inaudible) because in (inaudible) the football, there are (inaudible) that won the championship for this reason, because some player (inaudible). I won championship with (inaudible) for this reason. But we dominate the second half. I'm really upset for this that we lose this game.

THOMAS (voice-over): Both England's Football Association and Manchester's police force are looking into an incident that left United defender Rio Ferdinand with a cut to his face after being struck by a coin thrown from the crowd. The clubs and football authorities say they'll be seeking lifetime bans if the culprits are identified.

Later in the day, Rio tweeted about the incident, talking about United's win (inaudible), making a joke about what an accurate throw it had been.

Manny Pacquiao says he won't retire.

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THOMAS: And he'd like a fifth contest against Juan Manuel Marquez after the Mexican stunned the boxing world by knocking out the Pac-Man over the weekend.

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THOMAS (voice-over): Marquez had never beaten the Filipino fighter in three previous meetings. Now Pacquiao hadn't been dumped on the canvas for more than 13 years in his career. The 39-year old confounded the pundits by winning Saturday's non-title bout in Vegas outright at the end of the sixth round.

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THOMAS: That's all for now. We'll have more in "WORLD SPORT" in just over 31/2 hours' time.

For now, Kristie, back to you in Hong Kong.

STOUT: All right. Alex Thomas there, thank you.

Now we have got more on Lionel Messi on our website. CNN.com has mapped all of his goals in 2012 from the two he scored in the Champions League in Moscow to his hat trick against Brazil in New Jersey. You can explore the map at CNN.com.

Now up next, the prank that turned into tragedy.

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STOUT (voice-over): The Australian radio deejays behind the royal prank call speak out. We'll bring you all the latest developments.

And protests over Egypt's constitution go on, but the president's chief of staff says there will be no delay in putting it to a vote. Our exclusive interview with him is next.

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STOUT: I'm Kristie Lu Stout in Hong Kong. You're watching NEWS STREAM, and these are your world headlines.

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STOUT (voice-over): Now the European Union has been presented with the Nobel Peace Prize for 2012. Three E.U. governing body presidents accepted the award in Oslo, Norway, just a short time ago. The more than $1 million cash award will go to a fund supporting children who are victims of war.

North Korean state media report that the window for a long-range rocket launch will be extended by one week due to a, quote, "technical deficiency" in the engine module. North Korean announced plans to launch a satellite to orbit earlier this month. Many countries allege such a launch is just a cover for testing ballistic missiles.

Former South African President Nelson Mandela is in the hospital in Pretoria for a third straight day. The 94-year old is undergoing medical tests. Current President Jacob Zuma says the treatment is routine at Mandela's age and adds that there is no cause for alarm.

Mandela was elected president in 1994 after spending 27 years in prison for fighting racial segregation in South Africa.

Barcelona football star Lionel Messi has made sporting history, breaking the record for goals scored in a calendar year. The 25-year-old Argentinian scored twice in Sunday's Spanish League match against Real Betis, taking his total so far in 2012 to 86. That is one better than Gerd Muller's tally in 1972, which has stood as the record for the past four decades.

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STOUT: The fallout continues from the Australian radio hoax that ended in tragedy.

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STOUT (voice-over): The two deejays whose prank call was following by the apparent suicide of a nurse have broken their silence. Michael Christian and Mel Greig say that they are gutted and heartbroken over the death of the nurse who took their prank call.

And they spoke tearfully about the hoax, in which they posed as royals and phoned the London hospital where Prince William's pregnant wife was being treated. Their network has pulled the duo from the radio for now, canceled their show and suspended all prank calls.

Matthew Chance is outside the hospital --

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STOUT: -- where this tragic story began, and he joins us now live.

And Matthew, the radio deejays, they have spoken out and spoken out with great emotion.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SR. INTL. CORRESPONDENT: Yes, the interviews they did with the two Australian networks this morning were very raw, very emotional.

Obviously, the two of them very upset about the consequences of a -- of a prank call they thought was just a light-hearted gag, but of course turned out to cause the death, it seems, of this nurse who was initially duped by them, posing as the Queen and Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, getting access to the ward by telephone and getting information from another nurse about the condition of Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge.

The humiliation for the nurse, the suspicion is, of course, that she committed suicide because of that. And the two deejays absolutely devastated, shattered, in their words, about the consequences of their actions. Take a listen.

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MICHAEL CHRISTIAN, AUSTRALIAN DEEJAY: I'm shattered, gutted, heartbroken and obviously, you know, our deepest sympathies are with the family and the friends of all those affected

And, you know, obviously, Mel and myself (sic) are incredibly sorry for the situation and what's happened. And, you know, we heard that they're doing OK and they're getting the love and support that they deserve and need right now. But, I mean, personally, I'm -- I'm gutted.

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CHANCE: Kristie, the company that owns the radio station has already taken some action. It's launched its own internal investigation into what actually took place. In the meantime, it says that it's suspended the policy of prank calls or the practice of prank calls from across its platforms, across its radio station.

It's also canceled the show on which the two deejays worked. And it has also basically suspended the two deejays as well pending further notice, pending that investigation. But they've also been defending their staff, saying they still don't believe any laws were actually broken.

And they've also accused the media of carrying out a witch hunt in focusing too much on the prank call as a factor in this suspected suicide and not enough on the psychological disposition of the nurse and also on the possible role the hospital itself here in central London may have played in putting pressure on the nurse after she transferred that crank call, that prank call, rather, through to the Duchess' ward, Kristie.

STOUT: You know, we know that the inquest is going to open the next few days. So what will that focus on? How much of that focus will shift from the prank call to what happened inside the hospital and the procedures there?

CHANCE: Well, I think some light needs to be shed on that. Certainly there will be an autopsy to determine the exact cause of the death of the nurse, who apparently committed suicide. But also investigations must be carried out as well into what pressure, if any, either formally or informally may be have been put on this nurse that may have been a contributing factor to her suspected suicide.

From the hospital's point of view, they've already rejected any suggestion that they may have disciplined the nurse unduly. They say they didn't take any disciplinary action whatsoever. In fact, they say they provided support for their staff members during what they described as a very difficult time for the people who were duped in this prank call.

And so be very interesting to watch what comes out of the investigation.

STOUT: All right. Matthew Chance reporting for us live from London, thank you.

Now to Egypt now, which is preparing for a massive rally on Tuesday. Opponents of the president are angry that Mr. Morsi is going ahead with the referendum on a new constitution. The opposition says the draft does not represent all Egyptians. Mr. Morsi canceled a controversial edict that gave him sweeping powers and still anger has not abated.

A top Morsi aide claims a small but vocal minority is behind the latest upheaval. The Egyptian president's chief of staff sat down with our Reza Sayah in this rare and exclusive interview.

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REZA SAYAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Mr. Tahtawi, much of the country seems divided. Things have escalated into violence. Why not slow this process down?

RIFAA EL-TAHTAWI, MORSI'S CHIEF OF STAFF: This -- the question of delaying the constitution is not possible. If the people in the street believe they command the majority, why don't they go and say no?

SAYAH: They don't necessity believe they command a majority. They don't like the process by which this constitution was drafted.

TAHTAWI: In any democracy, there are -- there is a rule, the rule of majority.

SAYAH: So you're suggesting the minority is trying to derail the majority here?

TAHTAWI: Yes, very clear. You have the majority of the poor people, the simple people, definitely, for the president and for the constitution. But you have a majority among the elite who are not for this constitution, business men, media people. They are definitely a small minority but a powerful minority.

SAYAH: But when you see these protests on the streets, is this a good atmosphere to go through with this vote?

TAHTAWI: No.

SAYAH: But so why do it?

TAHTAWI: Because you cannot allow a shouting minority, no matter how ugly (ph) it is, to derail the train of democracy.

SAYAH: But doesn't this look like more than just an insignificant minority when you see these crowds?

TAHTAWI: No. No.

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TAHTAWI: (Inaudible) insignificant, because nobody's insignificant.

SAYAH: We've talked to a lot of these protesters and many say they just don't trust President Morsi. And you sense they don't like the Muslim Brotherhood. Sometimes you sense hatred. How do you address that?

TAHTAWI: These people have a political view that has to be respected and if we do not manage to come to terms, let us go to the people.

SAYAH: Let me tell you another thing that I hear often, and it's a pretty harsh criticism. The opposition believes the Brotherhood and the Islamists manipulate their supporters through fear of God and religion, supporters that are illiterate and uneducated.

TAHTAWI: I totally disagree with this because this is part of the disease of the elite.

SAYAH: But does the Brotherhood use the fear of God and religion to convince supporters to go out and vote?

TAHTAWI: No.

SAYAH: Do you believe you're --

TAHTAWI: No.

SAYAH: -- the party of God, the party representing God?

TAHTAWI: Nobody represents God. We are not the community of Muslims. We are part of the community of Muslims.

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STOUT: That was Reza Sayah with an exclusive interview out of Cairo.

And then later on on "AMANPOUR," why are Morsi's concessions seen as not enough? Christiane speaks with the leader of Egypt's opposition live from Cairo --

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STOUT (voice-over): -- Nobel laureate and member of the National Salvation Front Mohamed ElBaradei. That's at 4:00 am Tuesday here in Hong Kong, or catch the replay at 11:00 pm.

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STOUT: You're watching NEWS STREAM live from Hong Kong. And coming up --

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STOUT (voice-over): -- a state of national calamity is declared in the Philippines as the death toll from Typhoon Bopha continues to climb. We'll have details of the aftermath of this devastating storm.

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STOUT: Now for people in the Philippines, Typhoon Bopha is finally gone, but the aftermath is brutal, with thousands still in need.

Let's turn to Mari Ramos. She joins us now from the World Weather Center.

Mari?

MARI RAMOS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Kristie, and you know, now that the storm's not so much in the headlines anymore and the storm is gone, I think that's still when people really need help the most, because they're stuck there. They're in the situation where it's extremely difficult for them to even get some of their basic necessities.

Now I want to show you this picture. And it's really quite telling.

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RAMOS (voice-over): This is just one example of the need. These are people asking for food. And while there's a lot of people in shelters, a lot of people that are not in shelters, and they're getting help.

But in some cases, it's very difficult. Remember that so many of the crops were destroyed, so many of the livelihoods are gone now. And so many homes are just completely devastated. They are about a dozen bridges that are out, several roads that are still impassable.

And according to the latest report from the government, there have been as many as 5.4 million people that were affected by this very powerful typhoon. So we're talking about quite a number of people here, 70,000 homes damaged, about half of those are completely destroyed that will -- are going to have to be rebuilt completely.

The entire communities that are pretty much completely disappeared off the map in many cases.

And then there are about 29,000 families that are in shelters, but so many more outside of those shelters that are still in need of help, over 300,000 people still receiving some sort of help from the government. This is going to be, unfortunately, ongoing. And the storm itself, as you mentioned, it is gone.

When we look at our satellite image, oh, yes; it looks great right now, right? Well, the remnants of Bopha are gone, a little bit breezy as we head over Luzon. That's the last place that we were looking at for the possible impact from the storm.

As we get into the central and southern Philippines, even into Mindanao, we're looking at some scattered thunderstorms. And any amount of rain that falls here could be a concern for you because you know, so -- there's so much need and so many people still, you know, are living out of in the operation in many cases and any amount of rain could cause some problems as far as flooding and so there's definitely something worth monitoring.

We're not expecting, though, any big rainfall across these areas, which is definitely some good news.

Still pretty nasty, though, as we head across other parts of East Asia, cold, definitely very cold across many regions, only 2 in Tokyo, -10 in Seoul, -5 in Beijing. Hong Kong, chilly, it's only 20 degrees for you there, 17 in Taipei. The nastiest weather is here across the north. That's where it's colder and that's where we're getting a lot of the snowfall coming through.

These are some of those latest snowfall totals, 26 in Okunikko in Japan and Nagano, 13 centimeters. That caused a lot of travel delays for you. This is one picture from Nagano, where we're seeing a lot or -- of those travel delays. More snow expected again today, that lake effect snow continuing throughout those areas.

Let's switch gears and head to Europe. I have some pictures to show you from there as well. And these are from Serbia. Look at that. This is the winter wonderland, huge travel problems across Serbia. Authorities said that they rescued over 600 people from cars like that that were stuck on the roadways.

This is at the -- some of the border roads were closed, up to 17 hours, Kristie. So pretty significant stuff, more snow expected, not just in Serbia but across much of central Europe. So there's winter weather is expected to continue. Back to you.

STOUT: Yes, very dangerous conditions there for drivers.

Mari Ramos, thank you.

Now the story of American software mogul John McAfee has taken so many strange twists it's hard to be surprised by any development, not even a news conference he held from inside a detention center. Martin Savidge tells us where McAfee wants to go next.

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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Is this food for John?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible).

SAVIDGE (voice-over): In the darkness outside of a Guatemala City detention center, John McAfee's dinner arrives in a paper bag, a reminder of how far the wealthy security software inventor is from his home in Belize and his lifestyle of money, guns and girls.

The spiral started last month when 52-year-old American Greg Faull was found shot to death in his home 200 yards from McAfee's place. The two men had a well-known feud, in part over McAfee's dogs.

JOHN MCAFEE, SOFTWARE PIONEER: Number one, they were (inaudible).

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Police came to question McAfee, but he had already taken off.

SAVIDGE: You are John McAfee?

MCAFEE: Well, I think so, yes. I am John McAfee.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): I found him three weeks later, hiding in a rundown part of Belize City, convinced police would kill him if they found him, even though he had not been named a suspect.

SAVIDGE: Are you afraid?

MCAFEE: Wouldn't you be so?

SAVIDGE: Perhaps.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): He denied any involvement in his neighbor's death and said the Belize government was trying to pin Faull's murder on him because McAfee had refused to pay money to a local politician.

SAVIDGE: Do you really believe the government is -- this is a vendetta by the government of Belize to take you down and kill you?

MCAFEE: Absolutely so.

SAVIDGE: McAfee escaped to here, Guatemala City. He hired himself a powerful attorney and even felt secure enough to go out in public.

MCAFEE: They have attempted to charge me with --

SAVIDGE (voice-over): It was a mistake. Guatemala wasn't the safe haven McAfee thought. Authorities arrested him for entering the country illegally and planned to deport him back to Belize.

McAfee asked for asylum. When the government turned him down, he suddenly fell ill and was rushed to hospital.

Doctors diagnosed the 67-year old as suffering from stress and returned him to detention.

TELESFORO GUERRA CAHN, MCAFEE'S ATTORNEY: Hello. How are you?

SAVIDGE: Very good.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): While his attorney says that at least for now he's been able to stop McAfee's deportation back to Belize, where police are still waiting to question him.

SAVIDGE: So a judge has given you a stay?

CAHN: Yes, yes. Yes.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Just what comes next in this murder turned soap opera no one can say. McAfee's saga shares something in common with the software he helped to create -- staying current requires constant updates - - Martin Savidge, CNN, Guatemala City.

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STOUT: You're watching NEWS STREAM. And coming up next, learning to code. We'll look at one foundation teaching kids how to program like it's 1985.

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STOUT: Welcome back. Now from new computers to modern smartphones, it's pretty safe to say that today's technology is far easier to use than what came before. But one group says that's actually a problem because it means we're missing out in some key skills. So they created a $25 device to get more children interested in programming.

Now let's hear from the founder of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, Eben Upton.

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EBEN UPTON, The RASPBERRY PI FOUNDATION: The Raspberry Pie Foundation is -- it's an organization founded by several of us from the university here in Cambridge and a group of local business men to try and put some of the fun back into programming, to try to get children involved in programming in the same way they were in the 1980s.

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UPTON: OK. So we're going to put it together and boot up. First of all, display connector, goes in the back there. Then we'll have master keyboard into the USB. Now we need to put a -- have the SD card. This draws the operating system image and all the programs for the device. It's just a regular SD card.

We finally power. This is just run off our charger. That just goes into the outlet. You see a red light comes on. You can see that the machine is about to boot; things appear on the display.

I grew up in the 1980s. Many of my friends, even people who didn't go on into engineering careers, could at least write that two-line program, you know, 10, "Print I am great;" 20, "Go to 10."

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UPTON: I guess what happened towards the end of the 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s was that that games market was taken over by the games consoles, which obviously by their nature are not programmable hardware. But what that led to was a massive reduction in the number of children who got involved in simple programming.

A lot of computer companies named after fruits, so that's -- and not many fruits are left. So that's where Raspberry came from. Pi is from -- there's a program language called Python that originally we indeed to make a machine which could only be used to program in Python.

How many of you know the game Snake? You play Snake on the old Nokia phone? Right. All we're going to do today, we're going to show you an implementation of Snake written in Python.

The Raspberry Pi is a -- is designed to be cheap enough that a child can buy it themselves, is designed to plug into common peripherals, so it'll plug into your television.

Now the command prompt is how computers used to be.

Although we're primarily focused on the education market, we've spent -- a lot of people are going to find interesting industrial and commercial applications for this platform. We expect to see a lot of innovation enabled by the fact that we've reduced the (inaudible).

What we're going to do is we're going to just (inaudible) --

One of the nice realizations for us is when we take it into schools and we put it in front of children, they actually like the fact it's not in a box. They all like the fact that they can see what it does.

One of the advantages children today have with some of these programming languages like Scratch is that a lot of that framework is already provided for them. So they can concentrate on the interesting stuff.

We've always felt that there's a 5- to 10-minute period at the start of any child's engagement with programming where it all seems baffling and complicated.

Once they've made their first couple of modifications to a program (inaudible) that's what gets -- that's what gets (inaudible). That's what gets the significant (inaudible). But, yes, when you see that kind of level of enthusiasm from kids, it really encourages us to believe that we're doing a worthwhile thing.

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STOUT: The Raspberry Pi hasn't been out very long, but there are already plenty of applications. The founding computer's developers are working on a 5-megapixel camera add-on. There's also a couple of media server apps in case you want to turn it into the world's smallest home theater PC.

And the developers of the popular online game Minecraft have already announced a version for Raspberry Pi. But if you want a more serious way to play games on it, you could check out this Kickstarter project. It turns the Raspberry Pi into a mini-arcade machine.

And that is NEWS STREAM. But the news continues at CNN. "WORLD BUSINESS TODAY" is next.

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