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Witness: Jodi Arias Romanced Him after Murder

Aired January 9, 2013 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, what Jodi Arias did with another man hours after stabbing Travis Alexander 29 times, slitting his throat and shooting him in the forehead, and how that other man testified today that Jodi showed up are his house and seemed just fine, thank you, even laughing and, of course, flirting.


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, stunning testimony about what Jodi Arias did with this man just hours after violently stabbing and shooting Travis Alexander.

Ryan Burns`s testimony is complete with Jodi`s flirtatious messages to him. And why did he testify that Jodi is stronger than she looks? Was this petite, five-foot-four-inch woman in an out-of-control jealous rage? Was she consumed by an obsession of love, sex and male attention?

RYAN BURNS, TESTIFIED IN MURDER TRIAL: And one day, while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages, and it seemed like she didn`t trust him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see any blood coming from the neck area?

BURNS: Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you associate that blood with?

BURNS: The cut to the throat.

She was -- definitely seemed to be into the moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the palm of the left hand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were these consistent with defensive wounds?

BURNS: She got on top of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a wound that could kill this person?


BURNS: She`s a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How deep is this wound?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes all of the way back to the spine.

BURNS: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER: I would be shaking in my boots right now if I had to answer to God for such a heinous crime.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you do have to answer. It`s called a court of law.

Tonight, sex and secret messages exposed in open court as the Jodi Arias murder trial gets more and more interesting. Will Jodi`s romantic trysts with another man just literally hours after she violently killed Travis Alexander ruin her claim of self-defense?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live.

The 32-year-old bombshell admits she stabbed her ex-boyfriend 29 times, slit Travis Alexander`s throat ear to ear and shot him in the face, but she says she was just defending herself.

Today the jury heard how Jodi left this blood-soaked house after killing Travis -- and just look at what she did to his hands before she leaves the house, leaves him there to decompose, and drives 700 miles to Utah and then literally climbs on top of another man. That man took the stand in court today and said Jodi seemed just fine and ready for romance with him.


BURNS: And the second we woke up, we were -- we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what else happened?

BURNS: She got on top of me pretty aggressively and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she got on top of you pretty aggressively, where was her genital area compared to yours?

BURNS: She was right on top of me.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who does that? Who kills somebody and leaves a very bloody crime scene and a dead lover in the shower, and then drives 12 hours to another state to take a roll in the hay with that dead man`s work colleague? Unbelievable.

The prosecution also reveals some flirty, sexy messages that Jodi sent the new boy toy while she and Travis were still talking to each other. Listen to this.


BURNS: It says, "Hey, there, handsome. This is a test."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her saying to you, "Hey, hottie-biscotti, what`s new?


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Along with introducing Jodi`s flirty "hottie- biscotti" messages, the prosecution literally brought out a piece of the very bloody carpet from the crime scene in open court today. This was just absolutely extraordinary, and Travis` family turned away, upset over the sight of Travis` actual blood on the carpet.

The prosecutor also showed a photo that matches what some people call the smoking gun. There is Jodi Arias` palm print, and prosecutors say it matches a bloody palm print that has a mixture of Jodi and Travis` blood that was found at the crime scene.

What do you think about all this? I want to hear from you. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to our own senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian, who has been in court.

Selin, there were so many shockers in court today, up until a few moments ago. We`re going to keep playing them all this evening. What were some of the most out outstanding moments for you today?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: One of the most powerful moments in court today was the prosecution brought out that bloody piece of carpet that you were just mentioning and showed it to the jury with Travis` dried blood on the carpet.

It was -- he was bringing the crime scene to the jury, physically holding it up for the jury and saying, "This is what the carpet looked like." I mean, he`s standing right in front of them, and to me, that was the most powerful moment.

Obviously, the sisters got emotional. That`s when Jodi started crying, putting her head down. That to me was the most powerful.

But of course, we also heard from the guy -- who we see what happened to Jodi and what she was doing moments after she killed him, the day after she killed him, and it`s pretty shocking. I mean, imagine, she just left a gruesome, gruesome crime scene. She killed someone, drives to Utah, starts kissing a guy and making out with him, getting on top of him. She`s going to a Chili`s restaurant with him, acting like everything is OK. And that`s what`s shocking. You have to think, how was she able to block out what happened and lie, and act normal?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, speaking of lying, this was another shocker. Just a couple of minutes ago, we just turned around the tape as fast as we could. Listen to this in court just moments ago.

We hear, you know, Jodi talk to the detective. She calls him right after Travis` body is found. And she says, "I want to talk to you." He calls her back. And here is her unbelievably theatrical reaction, because he`s taping the whole thing, you know, because he`s a detective.

And he says, "Well, how did you find out that Travis has died?" And here is what she said. Listen to this one.


ARIAS: Well, yes. He said, "It`s about Travis, lots of blood." You know, that`s never good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. He said that, yes (ph).

ARIAS: Yes. So -- but I didn`t think anything at first. I mean, I`m kind of, "OK, what?" You know.

And he -- he said, "We found him."

And I was like, "Well, what does that mean?"

"Well, I don`t know."

"Well, what do you mean you don`t know? What do you know?"

"I don`t really know anything right now. I just know that Brent High (ph) is at his house, and Tiara Server (ph) is at his house. And the cops are there."

And I was totally shocked. I don`t think that I said much. I think that I -- I just kept thinking that maybe there`s a mistake. Maybe there`s a mistake, I`m sure. And he didn`t really know, so I texted him, thinking that there was a mistake and he couldn`t say anything. He didn`t give me any information, so I thought -- he said I was the first person they decided to call.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. She`s pretending she knows nothing about this crime, and she knows everything about the crime, because now she`s admitted she was there. She knew he was dead.

She says, "I was so shocked. I felt helpless."

She knows all about the crime. She`s the one who is standing right there as Travis Alexander bled onto his sink. She`s the one who stabbed him 29 times.

So Simone Bienne, psychosexual and relationship therapist out of Los Angeles, what strikes me is the ability of this woman to lie, glibly lie. And I mean, listen, some of these people -- I`ve always said this about these pathological liars. If they had gone into acting and put their talent to lie to positive use, but this is an acting job that we`re hearing.

SIMONE BIENNE, PSYCHOSEXUAL AND RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes, I mean, this is absolutely sick, Jane. It`s the real-life "Fatal Attraction." Only sadly, the reality actually outdoes the fiction, which we all thought was very extreme at the time.

And what she`s displaying are these very, you know -- whether there was trauma, we don`t know, but these sex-addictive extreme love-addictive behaviors, obviously, you know, borderline personality traits, where there is this huge murderous rage, fear of abandonment, inability to have relationships. I mean, it`s absolutely horrific.

And the thing that gets me is that, if there was trauma, if she has experienced some kind of sort of violation to her body, which she may have felt that Travis was to her, because we`ve heard so explicitly about the sexual acts, did she harm his body as a way to get him back, because she violated that body? It wasn`t just a straight shot to the head, as we have all seen on your report. She really, really went for it. Perhaps she was symbolically reacting to how she felt.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I think that`s a very good point. She had built up a resentment. What we learn in our sobriety, as a recovering alcoholic, is that the worst thing for us, or for anyone, is a resentment that builds and builds and becomes more toxic, and sometimes rage can build. And so -- excuse me -- it would seem that perhaps that was the case here.

This entire trial -- you just mentioned "Fatal Attraction." This has been a real-life fatal attraction case. Jodi has been painted by the prosecution as a jilted, unhinged woman, a real-life fatal attraction story. You`ll remember this movie from Paramount Pictures. Check it out.


GLENN CLOSE, ACTRESS: I just want to be a part of your life.

MICHAEL DOUGLAS, ACTOR: This is the way you do it? Showing up at my apartment?

CLOSE: What am I supposed to do? You don`t answer my calls. You changed your number. I`m not going to be ignored.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: But in "Fatal Attraction" the female stalker played by Glenn Close dies. In this real-life horror -- you`re seeing the autopsy photos here -- prosecutors say Travis was surprised and overpowered by his obsessed girlfriend, who had previously slashed his tires with a knife, et cetera.

Michelle Ward, psychologist and host of Investigation Discovery`s "Stalked," this is a female stalker case, according to the prosecution. But sometimes men don`t take female stalkers as seriously as they should.

MICHELLE WARD, HOST, INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY`S "STALKED": Well, Right. A lot of people don`t take female stalkers as seriously as they should. And -- and actually, they are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than their male counterparts.

I mean, Simone`s correct. She was certainly displaying evidence of borderline personality disorder, wildly emotionally unstable, inability to maintain this relationship. And she tied a lot of her identity up to Travis. I mean, she became a Mormon to try to be somebody he could marry.

And she was really controlling. I mean, from what I`ve read, she was trying to control all aspects of the life.

But borderline personality disorder sufferers don`t often kill. I mean, they can, but they often hurt themselves. And, well, she was the type of stalker we see on our show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, this is an extreme stalking case is one way of putting it. We have more on the other side, and we`re taking your calls.


BURNS: She`s a lot stronger than she looks. She eventually kind of grabbed me and adjusted me a little bit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you form an opinion as to her strength?

BURNS: Yes, she`s strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe the wounds to the hands must have occurred before the fatal injuries either of the head or of the throat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you notice her hands?

BURNS: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers.




BURNS: At some point, I mean, we were talking and we kissed. Eventually, we kissed probably many times. Every time we started kissing, it got a little more escalated.

She was kissing my neck and I was kissing hers, but clothes never came off.

I never touched her breasts or anything like that. At one point I had my hands on her -- her thighs, and she was, you know, things were -- she definitely seemed to be into the moment. She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This just hours after she, now by her own admission, killed Travis Alexander. She makes a beeline to his co-worker`s house and is fooling around with him. Unbelievable.

And in one of her online conversations with this new boy toy, Ryan, Jodi admits secretly going through Travis`s phone. On it she finds the number of a woman she thinks Travis is secretly dating while still having sex with her. Listen to what she decides to do next.


BURNS: "I decided to text her back, quote, `Time to cuddle with Jodi. Good night.` Then I deleted the message, went to sleep, and never mentioned it to him. One day while he was taking a nap, I took his phone and read his text messages. Bad, I know."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: "Bad, I know." Of course, that young man is reading what Jodi said to him on a text message.

Add this to the many stalking tendencies: the tire slashing, allegedly; anonymous e-mailing Travis` other girlfriends, warning them to not to sleep with him; moving near Travis after they broke up, and Travis caught her, friends, say, hacking his Facebook account.

Anahita Sedaghatfar, criminal defense attorney, how can the defense argue self-defense when she was stalking him, allegedly, leading up to this killing?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I certainly do not envy the task of the defense attorneys here. Clearly, they have an uphill battle.

But Jane, you and I have seen time and time again that there is no such thing as a slam-dunk case. We`ve seen it in many high-profile cases. We saw this in the O.J. case, Michael Jackson case, recently in the Casey Anthony case. And quite frankly, the defense is doing exactly what they need to be doing to prove that this was not a premeditated first-degree murder case.

First there`s the issue of the gun. The prosecution has not presented any evidence showing their theory that this defendant stole the gun, brought the gun to the victim`s house with the intent to kill him on that day. And how -- first they haven`t proven that.

Second, they -- the manner of killing is something that they are going to focus on. The defense is going to focus on the fact that, if she clearly planned and plotted this murder, she could have just walked in and shot him. They argue she...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe she wanted to have sex with him first before she shot him.

Joey Jackson, I can hear you almost, shaking your head. What do you make of this argument that, oh, self-defense is a viable argument here?

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, here`s the problem, Jane. The problem is -- is that her conduct thereafter is completely inconsistent not only with that defense but with human nature.

Not everyone acts the same, that`s true, but there are certain standards that we`ve come to expect. If someone attacks you, Jane, what do you do after you engage in that behavior? You call the police.

What else might you do? You certainly wouldn`t go to someone`s home in an effort to fondle them, and have relations with them. That`s not on your mind.

You wouldn`t speak to a detective and you wouldn`t say, "Oh, really? My goodness. Oh, this is how I reacted when I first knew."

So there are certain things, and there`s certain behavior which are completely inconsistent from a person who was attacked. And that`s the bigger problem here, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anahita, your chance to respond?

SEDAGHATFAR: Right, but who`s going to make that allegation? The defense is going to call their own mental-health expert, domestic-violence expert, a battered-woman expert, and that witness is going to testify that there is no typical behavior of women like this.

That -- and we saw this also in the Casey Anthony case, that people act in certain ways, abused women, women that are victims of domestic violence. And sadly, this is part of the defense strategy, is that because they are claiming self-defense, they are, to a certain extent, going to have to put the victim on trial here. And that`s exactly what the defense is doing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Beth Karas, "In Session" correspondent, you`ve been in the courtroom. I`ve gotten a sense that it`s kind of scatter-shot. The prosecution is proving that she did some terrible things. Right after killing him, she goes and has a little nookie with this other guy across state lines.

But in the process, we`re also hearing some unflattering things about Travis Alexander. What exactly are we hearing? And could some of that work for the defense?

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, there are little tidbits the defense gets out of this. For example when Ryan Burns, her new love interest, was on the stand today, he talked about talking to Jodi Arias the -- on Tuesday evening. He was supposed to see her on Wednesday, but she`s at Travis`s on Wednesday. So she gets to Ryan Burns a day late, June 5, Thursday.

He`s talking to her Tuesday night, and she leads him to believe that she`ll be there. It`s a 12-hour drive from Pasadena. She will be there 12, maybe 15 hours; she`d stop and nap. And -- and so the defense wants the jury, I think they`ll argue, to believe that, for whatever reason, Jodi veered off and went to Mesa, Arizona. She did not set out this trip to go to Mesa, Arizona. It was not premeditated. She did not intend to even go to Arizona. She was going to see Ryan Burns in Utah.

So that`s something that goes in their favor. It doesn`t trash Travis. What came out today is, OK, he`s a flirt. He`s a flirt with the ladies. That was his reputation.

But Jodi, in a little bit played a conversation she had with a police officer on June 25, just before she was arrested. She said, "Travis was a good friend to everyone, even after we broke up."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she says some nice things about Travis Alexander. So it`s absolutely extraordinary how much detail and how talkative she was with this detective. We`re still hearing more tape of her conversation with him. More on the other side.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On June 9, 2008, Travis Alexander`s friends discovered his decomposing body in the shower of his master bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve been advised that he`s dead in his bedroom. We -- we hadn`t heard from him for a while. We think he`s dead.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you -- I have to ask you this, did you kill Travis Alexander?

ARIAS: Absolutely not. No, I had no part in it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: "I had no part in it," but then she changed and said it was a home invasion. And then after that, she said, "Yes, I was there, but it was self-defense."

Now we`re hearing that she high-tails it out of there after killing him and goes across state lines to Utah and canoodles, has nookie, whatever you want to call it. We`re coming up with more and more different cute ways of saying you know what. She`s making out with another guy after this killing, which is extraordinary.

The prosecution had a key piece of evidence that was brought in today. They really took the crime scene and brought it into court. Take a look at this. They actually took a piece of Travis Alexander`s carpet from his home, and they brought it into court and held it up.

This is -- they`re showing the photo, but they also took the actual carpet -- right there -- and they held it up to the point where the family of Travis Alexander was devastated, because they`re seeing his actual blood there.

I`ve got to just very quickly go to Beth Karas on this. That`s unusual, isn`t it, to bring an actual -- I mean, they had the photos. Why bring the actual carpet in?

KARAS: Well, I see it done. When they can, they`ll do it.

And you know, I was watching them handling that carpet, and the blood is soaked straight through the back. This is a thick carpet, and it was -- you could see a big blood stain on the back of it, as well. And it`s remarkable how big that deep red stain is. That`s where the state believes that his throat was slashed ear to ear, three to four inches deep, right back to the spine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines. Jan, Florida, your question or thought? Jan, Florida.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.


CALLER: I`m wondering about Jodi Arias` childhood. I haven`t heard anything about whether she came from a stable home, whether there were any traumas.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Selin Darkalstanian, senior producer, we`ve heard that she had a boyfriend previously who had a good job, and he had a son. And we even saw a picture of him. And that she has no criminal record and that she was actually, at the time of this crime, living with her grandparents.

So, to all appearances, that`s what`s so crazy about this. She was not a bad girl in the sense of racking up some kind of rap sheet. She has a clean slate, correct?

DARKALSTANIAN: Right. She had no criminal history like you said, and we do know she was living with her grandparents. She comes from a really small town. It`s on the California/Oregon border, called Yreka. But, you know, she left, and she lived in other parts. You know, she lived in Palm Desert for a little bit and then she lived in Mesa. It sounds like just had some odd jobs here and there.

But aside from that, we haven`t heard much more. I can tell you her mom and her aunt and some family and friends have been in court every single day, sitting in the front row, you know, supporting her, sitting right behind her.

She has siblings. She has a sister and a brother. We haven`t seen them in court, but we`ve definitely seen her mom and her aunt in court every single day.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s got to be a very awkward courtroom, as it is usually is in these kinds of cases with the victim`s family on one side and the defendant`s family on the other side.

And having been in court for these kinds of very high-powered trials, it`s very awkward. People have to use the bathroom, and they`re all of a sudden -- they`re going into the bathroom together, the opposing sides, and coming face to face. And it`s very emotionally charged.

More on the other side. And in fact, on the other side, we`re going to talk to some really, really good friends of Travis Alexander, particularly one of his very best friends who is speaking to us exclusively tonight. He has never spoken before because he`s been so distraught over what happened to his dear friend.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Or that she would always follow around him and the girls he was dating. And I`ve heard stories of her watching them sleep or heard stories of her watching through windows or doorways. And there is stories of also, allegedly, her slashing the tires two nights in a row outside of his girlfriend`s house.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: She arrives June 4th. She and Travis have sex and then she kills him leaving a trail of blood that goes from his bathroom to his bedroom and back again. Jodi stabs Travis 29 times and slits his throat from ear to ear to his spine and shoots him. Then she leaves his body in the shower where it is discovered five days later.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom and we haven`t heard from him in a while. We think he`s dead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So where is Jodi Arias while Travis` body decomposes in his own shower? Jodi drives straight to Utah a 12-hur drive to visit another love interest, Ryan Burns, and they end up fooling around shortly after she arrives.

RYAN BURNS, FRIEND OF JODI ARIAS: From the second we woke up, we were kissing. She got on top of me pretty aggressively, and we were kissing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: This has been an absolutely extraordinary day in court. You are taking a look by the way of some new photos that we have just gotten of Travis Alexander. And I was looking at the photos and they really show his charm and I think they show why he was so popular. You can almost feel his charisma through the photos, surrounded by friends, surrounded by some beautiful women as well, and he just has an expression that is charismatic. And that is how so many people describe him.

We have been talking about the gruesome testimony, the gruesome photos at the heart of this case, the wounds so violent they leave you wondering how could this sort of petite woman have done something to a much larger man? But listen to what the guy who fooled around with Jodi Arias hours after she killed Travis said about her powerful build. Check this out.


BURNS: I complimented her on being very feisty and just kind of referring to she is a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you able to see her stomach in terms of whether or not she was in shape.

BURNS: Yes, close to a six pack, yes.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So when the jurors look at this gruesome photographers and wonder how could a petite woman inflict this kind of damage on a larger man, don`t just think of size and weight. Yes she is only 5`4 and Travis was 5`9 but the prosecution is proving she was no delicate flower -- anything but.

I want to go to my exclusive guest Mark Brummet, Travis Alexander`s best friend, and this is the first time that Mark has spoken, because to my understanding he has been so upset about what has happened in this case.

And I want to thank you, Mark. I have been looking at some photos of you and Travis and other friends out and about and it is clear that you guys had a very tight close relationship.

We`ve been hearing audio recordings of Jodi Arias pretending that she knew nothing about Travis` death to the cops when in fact we all know that she was there and she killed him. And the question is was it self-defense or was it some kind of jealous rage as prosecutors contend. What bothers you most about how this entire thing has played out given that Travis Alexander is not here to defend himself or explain or put anything in context?

MARK BRUMMET, BEST FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, I think that the hardest thing for me is just how much of an affect he had on not only myself but everyone that came into contact with him. You know, like you said, it is something that was so hard for me that four-plus years later I`m still crying about it. You know, it is not something that I like to think about. It`s not something I like to talk about.

And for her to take it so lightly and to just bounce from story to story it just shows the disconnect there, you know. People who actually had those true interactions with him; those people that he actually got to interact with and touch and change, you know, you can see that. You can see the difference there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: As I have been reading about Travis, I have been touched by many things. One for example I happen to be a animal lover and I was reading on a blog of a friend of his, that he was a great animal lover and was fighting even for a cause that I have been fighting for a long time which is to help the treatment of farm animals in factory farms and stop keeping them in crates. Give us that sense of his heart.

BRUMMET: you know, Travis is one of those guys that -- he was extremely successful. He drove a BMW and when Honda Prius came out or Toyota Prius came out, he went and bought a Toyota Prius, because when he had time off, he wanted to see the world. And he could not stand going on a road trip in his BMW when he knew that he could be in a Toyota Prius and you know, saving the environment in that way.

You know, it wasn`t something that he just, he spoke about. I mean, he bought a Prius to go on road trips.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, another thing that I have in common with this victim, I have had two Priuses so far. I don`t even own a car right now, but I just want to say that you seem -- this seems very emotional for you. Obviously, it happened a long time ago in 2008, but why is this still really making you fight back tears essentially?

BRUMMET: Well, I think that the big thing is, you know, the interactions I had with Travis completely changed who I am today and I don`t mean that lightly by any means. You know, there are people that you meet that have a positive effect on you, and you remember them. But truly the person that I was and the person I am now is a direct effect from who Travis helped me to become.

I used to struggle with my self-confidence and I didn`t believe that I would ever have friends or that anyone would ever want to be friends with me -- I didn`t have anything to offer. And when I was on a road trip with Travis and you can see those pictures there where we went up through Utah, Travis had mentioned how he went to sleep listening to self-confidence tapes and stuff.

And I went to Travis and I said, I don`t want to overstep my bounds here, but I was wondering if you could help me out, you know? I don`t have what you have. And from that point on, Travis, he really took me under his wing and he helped me to develop not only self-confidence, but the ability to see the best in others.

You know, he was one of the guys that if you went to him complaining about someone, you would leave feeling bad about that, because he helped you to see the good qualities that the person had. And every day I think about Travis and I think about what I can do to make him proud of me. That is why it is so hard for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I hear how hard it is for you. Meanwhile, we have been paying attention to the defendant, Jodi Arias` appearance in court. And we are seeing look after look. Not only is she playing a "blame the victim" strategy by trying to paint Travis Alexander as some kind of a sex fiend, she has also been sort of manipulating her appearance. She was, day one, serious; this is day two, and then wearing a green outfit; and day three, she is wearing glasses all of the sudden.

Did her hearing suddenly and her eyesight suddenly go bad? I believe that she is trying to look less and less like a temptress and more and more like a prude, something like a librarian.

Dave Hall, you knew Travis Alexander, and also Jodi Arias; tell us what you think about the courtroom appearance?

DAVE HALL, FRIEND OF RYAN BURNS: Well, obviously, her defense attorneys have done some research on the first impression. They want to paint a picture to the jury that this is a feeble little, you know, bookworm that could no way do these horrible things unless her life was in jeopardy and it was self-defense. And I think most people that know her can see through this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me ask Mark Brummet, if I may, I know you guys are right next to each other in Phoenix, Arizona. Travis Alexander has been painted as some kind of well, if you listen to the defense, a sexual deviant. But his friends who have taken the stand have said well, he was a lady`s man. He was very flirtatious. What can you tell us about that?

BRUMMET: Yes. Definitely people got along great with Travis. You know, him being a straight guy, he was interested in women, and he was very charismatic. He had a fun time with everybody, and I will say that if there`s anything that I knew about Travis, it is that I would trust him with my sister.

He is one of those guys where he may flirt with girls a lot. He may joke around. He may even take them on a date, but that`s going to be a date to Chili`s, you know. It`s going to be a date where he is respectful to them, and that was the extent of it, you know. I never met any female that was friends with him that I ever got a message different than that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you for sharing your experiences. I really, really appreciate it. And I know it is hard for you.

On the other side of the break, we are going to talk about Dave Hall`s experience with Jodi Arias who spent the night at his house.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart just sank immediately; on the right-hand side I did end up seeing a pool of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has this ex-girlfriend that`s been bothering him. Her name is Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was her demeanor like?

BURNS: She was fine. She was laughing about simple things and just like any other person. I never once felt there was anything wrong about the date.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: What an emotional day, and right now we are talking with two dear friends of the victim, Travis Alexander. Remember the defense has really tried to smear this man and the family of Travis Alexander are outraged. Well, now we are getting the other side. We are hearing from his friends who know him best about his character.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It says, "Hey, there, handsome. This is a test."

Her saying to you, "Hey, hottie biscotti, what`s new?"


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dave Hall a good friend of the deceased Travis Alexander, what`s your reaction to the word that we are getting that she killed Travis and then goes and fools around and makes out with another man within hours?

HALL: Well, I think it paints a pretty accurate description of the type of person that we are dealing with. I mean anyone that could kill anybody and then not be physically ill -- let alone how brutal it was, to then turn around and go have some type of romantic event within hours of basically barbarically brutally killing someone you professed your love to is beyond me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She spent the night at your house. What did you experience? What is she like?

HALL: Well, her and Travis had come up for vacation to Utah numerous times and every time they came to Utah they had a place to stay at my guest bedroom. And when they were up there, I really enjoyed Travis` company. And quite honestly Jodi spent an entire week at my house and I might have gotten three or four sentences out of her the entire time. She was just a mysterious person, and we can just add that to the list of reasons why we told Travis he could do better than this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Brummet, Travis Alexander`s dear, dear friend, if you had one thing to tell the world about Travis Alexander in his memory, what would you say?

BRUMMET: I would say, don`t underestimate yourself. You know, when I think of Travis I think of movies like "Coach Carter", "Remember the Titans" and even all those other sports movies where the underdog comes up and by the end of the movie, you just feel empowered. You want to go out there, you want to make the world a better place and you want to help people and you want to be your best self. And that was Travis` number one mission.

He said that he wanted to be on the cover of "Time" magazine, and it wasn`t because he thought he was better than other people. It was because he knew that was a display of how great he had become. And if I would have been on the cover of "Time" magazine a week before or week after, that wouldn`t have mattered to him, he would have been just as excited, because he would have known that I had become what I could possibly become. And that is what Travis would want from myself and from all of us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark, I want to thank you so much for joining us tonight, and my heart goes out to you and everyone; Dave Hall, all of Travis Alexander`s friends.

HALL: Thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we are going to examine this defense and sexual obsession.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that has been bothering him and following him and slashing tires and things like that.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk about what happened in court today. Prosecutors bring out an actual piece of the bloody carpet from Travis Alexander`s home. And we`re also going to talk to some experts in sex and romance about obsessive love and why Jodi was obsessed with Travis.



JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI ARIAS` ATTORNEY: As Travis would explain to Jodi, oral sex really isn`t as much of a sin for him as vaginal sex. And so he was able to convince her to give him oral sex. And later in their relationship, Travis would tell her that anal sex really isn`t much of a sin as compared to vaginal sex. And so he was able to persuade her to allow him to have anal sex with her.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Simone Bienne, psychosexual and relationship therapist, the defense is using a "smear the victim" defense and talking about their intimate sexual details as she alleges. Saying that they play games and that he made her wear a shirt that showed that she was his property and made her wear a French maid outfit around the house. And they claimed that he tied her up, none of which can be proved.

But there is a huge link between playing sex games and committing the kind of violence that we`ve seen in these crime photos. In fact, the two of them really aren`t connected at all, are they?

SIMONE BIENNE, RELATIONSHIP THERAPIST: Yes, exactly. The thing is people can pathologize these kind of sex games and actually there`s not necessarily pathological behavior. Sex is about power and control and most of us exchange power and control in our sexual relations in a very healthy and loving way. Even if there are some handcuffs involves or some tying up or anything like that.

The point is that what she is doing is she is painting, as you say Jane and all your experts have said, she is painting the victim and actually victims have an awful lot of power. So actually she could have been manipulating him by trying to get power over him by engaging in these sex games by doing what he wanted so that she could have control over him. We just don`t know the full story yet.

But what we do know is what I thought -- sorry, very quickly, Jane, what was very interesting was that somewhere I read that Travis actually said that he was nothing more than a sex toy with a beating heart. So we know that he is saying she wasn`t present in their sexual behavior. She wasn`t emotional. She was dead inside.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Speaking of that, we have that clip where there`s the prosecution showing that Travis felt that Jodi used him for sex. And this is a sexually-charged comment but let`s hear it, and it is, again, said in open court even though it`s graphic.


JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: With regard to that reference involving that particular comment, why was that comment made as indicated in that document?

DET. ESTEBAN FLORES, MESA, ARIZONA POLICE: References to being used sexually by Miss Arias.

MARTINEZ: What is it saying?

FLORES: Specifically, let me read it from here. "I think I was little more than a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with a heartbeat to you."


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And so essentially that`s Travis Alexander saying that he feels used sexually, which is exactly what, Simone Bienne, psychosexual therapist said is that when a man and a woman engage in sex, consensual sex, and they`re playing games, it doesn`t mean that the man is always using the woman. A woman could be using the man. And it doesn`t really matter what their roles are in those sex games. They can be both.

It can be a very unlikely scenario as to who really has the power in that kind of relationship and, again, I think that it has nothing to do with killing someone. The games that are played in the bedroom do not correlate to violence in the bathroom or in the hallway.

More on the other side.



BURNS: It just seemed like they were just on the way to breaking up and they kind of hooked up a few times after they had broken up.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Psychologist Michelle Ward, host of Discovery Investigation or "Investigation Discovery", stalked -- you just heard it, they were both trying to break up. So many people the relationship goes toxic and for some reason they still cannot break up and just really go their separate ways. Why?

MICHELLE WARD, PSYCHOLOGIST: You know, the "why" is the problem and we don`t know why. They come from -- stalkers come from different backgrounds. She really presented pretty typical like a typical female stalker until she killed him and then she looks exactly like a psychopath - - completely devoid of remorse, empathy, guilt. And she seems like she`s antithesis of who he was. She`s the opposite of who Travis was who was a very empathetic, kind person.

The defense is going to do what they have to do. They have limited avenues to take given the damning evidence that`s there. So yes, she is trying to play the -- she is trying to play the victim card but she doesn`t fit that profile. She fits the profile of a scorned stalker and then a psychopathic murderer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anahita Sedaghatfar, criminal defense attorney, your final thought on her defense?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My thoughts are that this is not a whodunit. We already know that she committed this crime. The issue really is going to be self-defense. And, to be honest with you, I think the strongest thing she has going for her is her appearance. She is an attractive, young, petite, seemingly demure young lady and the defense is hoping that at least one of the jurors will have sympathy for her and spare her, her life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, 20 seconds.

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Do not demonize the victim overly if you`re the defense here. It can backfire. He died a very brutal death. I think the jurors are sympathetic of that and demonizing him, I think, is problematic.

Finally there had better be some corroboration for the allegations of his sexual deviancy, otherwise that will be a further problem.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. The jury may get very angry that the defense is blaming the victim. They don`t like that.

Nancy is next.