Return to Transcripts main page


Nancy Grace Mysteries - The Jodi Arias Interrogation Tapes

Aired January 18, 2013 - 20:00   ET



JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: If I was going to try to kill somebody, I would use gloves (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) you know, you had planned this out perfectly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a good lie.

ARIAS: If Travis were here today, he would tell you that it wasn`t me! I have to maintain my innocence! I can`t admit to doing something that I haven`t done!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was she saying? Do you even know what she was saying?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t want you to sit here and tell me a lie -- a lie.

ARIAS: There`s no reason I would ever want to hurt him!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It seemed like the reason they broke up was because they didn`t trust each other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My job is to speak for Travis right now. I think what Travis is telling me is that, Jodi did this to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One day, he showed up, and was telling us that he had broken up with Jodi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Travis didn`t want their relationship to be public. And the next day, he got in his car and noticed that all four tires were slashed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no way anybody else...

ARIAS: He never raped me!

ARIAS: How was she going to get you? Did she have a weapon?

ARIAS: She had a knife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said she had a gun before.

ARIAS: I don`t know if she had a gun. I think. I`m guessing.


GRACE: I have analyzed every single day, every word of testimony in the Jodi Arias murder one trial. And as far as week three goes, in my mind, the most explosive testimony in trial, the most explosive exhibit in trial, is Jodi Arias herself caught on tape.


ARIAS: How many times was Travis stabbed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) than I want to remember. And I`m not going to sit here and show you pictures of him after the fact. I don`t do that. That`s not how I work. That is not for me to do. But eventually, those photos will come out. Jodi...


GRACE: A lot of people have asked me who was the best liar as far as defendants go that I`ve ever seen. Now, that`s a tough call because so many defendants do not take the stand wisely. As a matter of fact, if you look at this statistically, you have a better chance at acquittal or a lesser included offense such as voluntary manslaughter if you don`t take the stand. Defendants that do take the stand are more likely to be convicted.


ARIAS: If I had planned to hurt him in any way -- you know, I`m not the brightest person, but I -- I don`t think I could stab him. I think I would have to shoot him continuously until he was dead.

If that were my intention -- and again, I`d bring up the gloves again, that I would have to wear gloves because -- I mean, I`m not too worried about prints because they`re all over anyway. But I would never stab him. If -- if -- I had it in me anywhere to kill him, the least I could have done was to make it humane as possible or quick or something, you know? Not that killing is humane, so to speak. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know what you mean.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) he was still alive (ph).


GRACE: It all goes back to an old, old quote that I believe originated with Abraham Lincoln. They may think you`re a liar, but why speak and confirm their suspicions?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you need to think about what you`re saying. This continuing to lie is not going to help you.

ARIAS: Admitting to something I didn`t do won`t help me, either. OK, let`s say for a second that I did and I say, I did it -- I mean...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The motive is there, the jealousy issue.

ARIAS: But I wasn`t -- I wouldn`t even say I was jealous. I mean, there may have been some jealousy there but...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then what caused this?

ARIAS: I think, if -- you know, anyone, maybe Travis was jealous, but...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s not what everybody else says. Well, they know he was jealous, but they think that you were absolutely obsessed. "Obsessed" is the word that they use. That`s the word I hear from everybody. "Fatal Attraction" -- I don`t know how many times I`ve heard that.


GRACE: When Jodi Arias was being interrogated by Detective Flores, it was a textbook, almost a flawless interrogation of her. Within, I would say, about 30 minutes into her interrogation, she starts like this, Uh-huh, and she`s like this. She`s slumped over. She`s practically lying across - - halfway across the table, just kind of, like, floating answers up into the room in Flores`s direction. Her body language says it all, as she slowly wraps herself and tangles herself in a web of lies that I really don`t see how she can get out of.


ARIAS: He wasn`t really moving, though. He was just staying kind of still on the floor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then what happened?

ARIAS: Well, as soon as he said go get help, I turned around and I -- and they were there and...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where were they?

ARIAS: They were in the bathroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where at in the bathroom? Out in the hallway or in the bathroom?

ARIAS: The girl was in the hallway, kind of. And the guy was more toward in the bedroom but, like, still in the bathroom, like, on the tile carpet area right there where it starts.


ARIAS: And he started coming in toward the bathroom, too, and I...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you do? What happened, Jodi? What did you see?

ARIAS: I chickened out like a little bitch!


GRACE: To me, seeing Jodi Arias, herself spinning this web of lies was the most damning evidence of all. We already know that she changed her story three times and may change it again by the time the defense finally takes center stage. So we know that two of those stories, at least -- we know they`re a lie because she`s already told us the third story.


ARIAS: She had a knife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said she had a gun before. You`re going to have to face the consequences.

ARIAS: I mean, you know, if I did that, I would -- I would be fully ready to face the consequences. I`m not really for things like -- I`m all for the 10 Commandments, Thou shall not kill, OK, but...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no evidence to show anybody else did that. None.


GRACE: It`s very unusual to get this much of a defendant on an interrogation tape, but I would say the introduction of the Jodi Arias interrogation tapes were the most critical and explosive evidence in court week three, and bar none. That`s compared to naked photos, naked body parts. I mean, I know more about Jodi Arias`s -- let me just say rear end, for a better word, than I ever dreamed I would know. That`s not exactly why I went to law school.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s just say I`ve seen all of you. And I`ve seen all of Travis. But the one that sticks in my mind of Travis is on the autopsy table. I`m not going to show you that one. Or should I?

ARIAS: If Travis were here today, he would tell you that it wasn`t me!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My job is to speak for Travis right now, and everything Travis is telling me is that, Jodi did this to me.



GRACE: I can tell you this, looking at those photos showed me that what went on was not forced. She was not forced to take those photos.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective, you were present when the photos of Ms. Arias and Mr. Alexander were shown in court, correct?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And those were recovered from the camera on the scene, right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And that was a few weeks after the investigation began that those photographs were actually recovered, right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It took a couple weeks before your forensic department obtained those?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And before they obtained those, had you had any other evidence that Ms. Arias was at Mr. Alexander`s home on June 4th?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t believe so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So you spoke with numerous friends of his, right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You and your other investigators, people at the scene, that sort of thing -- numerous people at the scene, friends of his, right?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the roommates. And none of them gave you any information, any idea Ms. Arias was coming to visit Mr. Alexander, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s correct.


GRACE: And speaking of the photos, a very critical element that I think has been overlooked, the series of photos capturing Travis Alexander naked in the shower literally seconds before she unleashes her fury on him and kills him.

She`s dressed. What does that mean? Think about it. They`ve been having sex all day long, a marathon sex contest. He goes to the shower. They`ve been photographing the whole thing. That`s how I know what happened, with date and timestamps. He goes and gets in the shower. She is still taking sexy photos of him in the shower.

But look at her. A part of her foot and leg is captured in one of the photos. She is dressed. She is dressed to kill.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said he doesn`t like you to take pictures of him.

ARIAS: He was very private about the shower. Like, we...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that why you were taking pictures of him in the shower?

ARIAS: No, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trying to get back at him?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m surprised he allowed you to take pictures of him in the shower. The first few looked like he wasn`t too comfortable. But obviously, whatever you were saying to him made him a little more comfortable.

What went wrong? Did he say something to you? Were you angry about something? Were you frustrated? What was it? Because something happened at that point.


GRACE: Her lover is still naked. Her lover`s in the shower, still thinking she`s taking sexy photos. She`s ready to commit murder. She has on her body concealed a gun and a knife. That`s why she`s dressed. Think about it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maybe things got out of hand and...

ARIAS: Did you find the gun? Maybe that would...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi, we`re just playing games here. That gun was in your possession. When did you report it stolen?

ARIAS: I didn`t even know that there were guns until my grandparents reported it stolen the day their house was broken into.


ARIAS: I don`t remember.


GRACE: A lot has been made of the fact that Jodi Arias didn`t just try to access Travis Alexander`s voicemail, she did. Verizon tells us under oath that she was on his voicemail for 16 minutes.

Now, the longest message possible was five minutes. She`s on it 16 minutes. What was she doing? She was obsessed with him. She was stalking him even in death. She was listening to his messages.

I would say it`s crazy, but this girl is not crazy in the legal sense. She has been stalking him and obsessed with him for so long, she can`t stop.


ARIAS: Anyway, right about the time he was starting to gear up -- I know Leslie called you, so -- I already talked to her, so you can call her back, if you want, but it`s not necessary. My phone died, so I wasn`t getting back to anybody.


GRACE: We know that Jodi Arias called Travis Alexander about 14 times in the days leading up to his murder, around the time of his murder. He called her back only two times.

I think this simply reaffirms what I already know. I have personally spoken to I don`t even know how many, countless of his friends, who all say the same thing. She was stalking him. She was obsessed with him. We were afraid for him. He was afraid for himself because of Jodi Arias. He wanted to break it off, but he was actually afraid what she would do.

We see the pattern escalating -- slashing his tires. He gets a new pair of tires. She slashes them. She follows him on dates with other women. She hacks into his social media account. She hacks into his bank account, I think to see where he was using his bank card, where he was using his credit card, to see if he was going on dates. She was trying to track him to see what he was doing when she wasn`t around. She was completely obsessed by him.



ARIAS: He was very uplifted, a very uplifting person. He had every - - he knew every one of my buttons. He could bring me up or down, you know, at the drop of a hat.

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Prosecutors say that Jodi Arias planned this attack. She showed up to the house in Mesa, Arizona, with a .25-caliber gun and a knife. She had sex with Travis Alexander all afternoon, even taking many, many photos.

Jodi Arias gave police three stories about what really happened here the night Travis Alexander was killed. First, she said she wasn`t even here. Next, Jodi Arias told police that intruders actually broke into this house, a woman and a man, and they were masked, and they are the ones who attacked Travis Alexander. She said that the intruders let her go free, but she never called police and she never called 911.


GRACE: We know that on one occasion, when he`s in the shower, Jodi Arias starts reading his texts and begins texting another woman as if she were Travis Alexander. All she had left to do, basically, was kill him and wear his skin. And she nearly did.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were several photos of him, and the last one that we have is of him sitting in the shower. And that`s when I think it happened. He was sitting down, looking up at you. What did you do? What happened, Jodi? We`ve gone this far. Did you plan on doing that the whole time?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then why? Tell me. I don`t believe you planned it.


GRACE: Juries love, as we call it, telephonic evidence, evidence of phone records, in my day, but now evidence of triangulation is the new phase, the next generation of phone evidence, that your cell phone can actually be triangulated or located as to where you were when you were making those cell calls within about a block or even less sometimes.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your experience as a custodian of records, this period of time, is the person leaving a voicemail (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not past five minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what are the possibilities with regard to a call that`s 16 minutes long, in your experience with Verizon, as to what could be happening with the phone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Somebody`s listening to messages.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Again, this was on what date and time?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: June 4th, 11:53 PM, June 4th of 2008.


GRACE: Jodi Arias actually said on tape during interrogation -- and I`ve watched it over and over and over -- that if she had hurt Travis Alexander, she would beg for the death penalty.


ARIAS: Could it have been blood from before?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your image is not important right now. Saving the rest of your life is.

ARIAS: Listen, if I`m found guilty, I don`t have a life. I`m not guilty. I didn`t hurt Travis. If I hurt Travis, if I killed Travis, I would beg for the death penalty.


GRACE: Well, let`s just say that was a very poor choice of words, Jodi. Be careful what you ask for, Jodi Arias, for you will surely get it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your blood is in the house mixed with his, mixed - - not alongside, but mixed. Your hair is there with blood, and your palm print is there in blood. It`s over.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... a digital camera that was found inside of the washing machine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the condition of the camera?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was not able to find any items saved to the internal memory of the camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 52224, 52236, 52324...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We found this camera, and you know, it`s pretty much ruined. And we didn`t know why.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When it snapped this photograph, was it right side up or was it upside-down?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was upside-down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This area down here, can you tell what that is?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A stain. It looks like blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever shot that .25 auto?

ARIAS: Uh-uh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever touched it?

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) was stolen. I`ve never seen it.

It was, like, a .25-caliber gun?

(INAUDIBLE) I don`t even know what a .25 looks like.


GRACE: One of my favorite moments in the caught on tape interrogation -- well, there were really two. The detective shows Arias some of the naked, very provocative -- I don`t find them sexy at all. To me, they are just close-ups of body parts. But he shows her a naked photo of herself -- with her head attached to this one -- and she studies it and she goes, That kind of looks like me. That was one of my favorite moments in trial.

But a close second would be when he shows her a photo of Travis Alexander slumped down. He`s dying if he`s not already dead. His life`s blood is flowing out of him. His throat was slashed in a smiley face from ear to ear. And inadvertently in that photo, captured is Jodi Arias`s foot and pant leg. So she is confronted about her own leg being in the photo.

The detective says, This is yours. This is you. And she goes, Well, yes, I do have a pair of pants like that, but mine have, I don`t know, white stitching or a zipper here, some subtle difference.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: this one I don`t know if I should show you, but -- not too bad, but it`s just one of the photos that was taken by accident. And this is just a small portion of it. It`s your foot, Jodi. These are your pants. Now, it`s off-color because we had to enhance it and the color kind of changes a little bit. That`s Travis.

ARIAS: This is his bathroom. That is not my foot!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are your pants. It`s a different color, like I said, because we had to enhance it and the color changes. The zipper...

ARIAS: I have both of those pants at home, if these are the same ones. I don`t have a zipper there, though, not on mine. And this is a black stripe and this is white, and the black is (INAUDIBLE) too.


GRACE: I mean, this woman is incredible, incredibly evil but yet incredible because she has an answer to every question. She reminds me very much of Scott Peterson. She is a female Scott Peterson. She also remind me very much of tot mom.

All three of them, many would say -- not me, of course, but many would say are physically attractive. All three of them, I will admit, have a certain sort of charisma or mystique about them. All three of them were in sales of sorts for a living. I don`t know what that means, but they have a personality -- each of them had a personality that is suited to convincing other people one way or the other.


ARIAS: I have to maintain my innocence! I can`t admit to doing something that I haven`t done! And part of me wants me to cop out and say it.


ARIAS: Well...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`re going to cop out, it`s because you`re telling the truth.

ARIAS: Well, that`s not really copping out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I don`t want you to sit here and tell me a lie to appease me. That is the worst thing you could do for me. But back there in that mind of yours is somebody screaming to get out and tell me what happened. But you just keep on...

ARIAS: He has done nothing but -- except for some mean words he said. People have said worse to me or just as bad. Except for that, he`s never - - he`s helped me. He`s given me money. He was selling me his car on the...


ARIAS: ... on the easiest...


ARIAS: ... lightest terms ever. There`s no reason why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It just happens.


GRACE: All three of them were driven by sex. And I`m not saying that a sex drive is a bad thing, but what I`m saying is Jodi Arias communicated -- and many of Travis`s friends have told me this -- with all men on a sexual level. In fact, a lot of his friends confronted her and said, Don`t come around (INAUDIBLE) Our wives, they don`t want you around, because she would be very flirtatious with the husbands.

Well, I can tell you, you know, that`s the first way to lose friends is to flirt with a woman`s husband. Yes. No, don`t do it. Well, she did.

But apparently, that was her MO. We see her leaving Travis Alexander`s decomposing body in a damp shower stall and literally hopping on top of another man a couple of hours later, her new boyfriend, God help him.

Scott Peterson, also driven by sex, caught up in a web of lies regarding an affair while he was married to pregnant Laci Peterson. And of course, tot mom wanted a free, single lifestyle so she could pursue men, regardless of her duties as a mother.

They have a lot of similarities, and that came shining through during the interrogation.


ARIAS: A lot of people were dropping my name, and I said I`m not worried about it because I didn`t do it, I said, but it`s very much -- it`s hurting my reputation and it`s casting me in a bad light.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wouldn`t be worried about your reputation right now. I`d be worrying about the rest of your life. That means nothing. Absolutely nothing.

ARIAS: Well, my reputation will affect the rest of my life, so I am worried about my reputation.


GRACE: During the interrogation tapes, Arias goes on to say that she`s not the smartest, not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Well, I agree with her on that. But she says that she suggests that the mode of death, cause of death on Travis Alexander was horrific and cruel. And she says, I just basically don`t think I would have the heart to stab him so many times. I couldn`t do that. If I ever did kill somebody, it would be by shooting.

Hello? He was shot! But if you think about what she said, she is saying that this murder is heinous and tortuous and cruel, which is an aggravating circumstance by which a jury can impose the death penalty.


GRACE: When Jodi Arias was confronted about the use of a gun in Travis Alexander`s murder, she feigned surprise. I found that to be her worst acting in the entire interrogation tape.


ARIAS: Did you find the gun? Maybe that would...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi, we`re just playing games here. That gun was in your possession. When did you report it stolen?

ARIAS: I didn`t even know that there were guns until my grandparents reported it stolen the day their house was broken into.


ARIAS: I don`t remember. It was a few months ago maybe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you do with the gun?

ARIAS: I don`t have a gun.


GRACE: When we first see Jodi Arias on tape, caught on tape speaking to Detective Flores, she has on one outfit. She goes to jail that night. She sleeps on it behind bars.

The next day, she appears in orange prison attire. And after one night, she`s cracked. She cracks in one night. Her story changes. The very next day, within a 24-hour period, she can`t take it anymore. She changes her story to even a wackier story that a man and woman, male and female ninja duo dressed entirely in black head to toe, come in, murder Travis, take a look at her driver`s license to see where she lives, and spares her life.


ARIAS: She was over him, and I just rushed her and I pushed her! And there`s...


ARIAS: Travis was bleeding everywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was she doing to him? Because he had been shot at this time, right?

ARIAS: Yes, I think he was still alive. He was still conscious, even.


ARIAS: He wasn`t talking or saying much, but I could tell he was breathing. He seemed like he was breathing, calmly, I think. He wasn`t, like -- he was just there. I can`t really remember. It`s such a blur!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And so you did what now? You pushed her?

ARIAS: She`s bigger, a little bit bigger than me, not really in size but height.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what happened?

ARIAS: Well, that didn`t really deter her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she have any weapons on her at all?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did she have?

ARIAS: She -- I thought she was the one with the gun. Maybe she had the gun, but he had a gun. (INAUDIBLE) two guns or (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s the one who shot him, though, right? She was the one here, he was back here at the time when you saw them.


GRACE: She maybe should have slept on that another night. Why did she do it? Because she was confronted with all of the evidence, physical evidence that cannot be refuted, placing her at the crime scene. So she had to admit she was at the crime scene and come up with a scenario in which she is innocent, but she literally has Travis Alexander`s blood on her hands. And that`s what she came with overnight. That explains that.

I think the state`s method of showing portions of the caught on tape interrogation of Arias that are relevant to that particular witness is an excellent move. We have seen in other trials where the videotapes would drone on and on and on, some of it relevant, some of it not relevant, some of it possibly even engendering some type of connection with the defendant.

After a while, when you see something over and over and over, you get numbed to it. You get used to it. It doesn`t shock you. It doesn`t disturb you anymore. And I think if they had played these A to Z, soup to nuts, that may have happened.

They are wisely -- it takes effort. It takes planning. It takes a lot of planning. I know from having introduced hundreds of exhibits at one particular trial. You know, you have to plan it very carefully to orchestrate what they are doing, and I find it highly effective.



ARIAS: Our friendship was really over the phone. Every night, you know, when all was said and done, when his day`s work was done and my day`s work was done, you know, he would inevitably call and we would talk for a while, anywhere from, you know, a half hour, or sometimes it would end up being four hours, and we`d fall asleep, and things like that. And then, you know, with time, it just kind of progressed into a little bit more and a little bit more until we decided to make it more official.


GRACE: I`ve been asked to compare the state`s case to other cases, and I don`t really want to do that because every murder trial is a whole `nother animal. It`s got its ins and outs that we on the outside looking in cannot fathom. But as of right now, closing in on the end of week 3, this day gets an A-plus.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t want to be recognized when she went over to Mr. Alexander`s home because she was going to kill him. In addition to bringing the gun, she also brought a knife. And when she got there, she engaged in whatever conduct she engaged in, and then she began to attack him. She began to attack him after she had, in a manner of speaking, lulled him to sleep, had him in a very vulnerable position, sitting in that shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After Mr. Alexander`s body was found, did you have occasion to receive a telephone call from the defendant?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And about what time was it that you received the call?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was right after she found out that he had been killed. She was very upset and distraught. She was crying, sobbing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what was she saying?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said that Travis was dead, that he`d been killed, and that she couldn`t imagine why someone would do that to Travis, and how could they do something like that to Travis, that he was such a wonderful person and why would anybody do that to him.

ARIAS: I did not go near his house. Isn`t there -- aren`t there...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I pulled your cell records. Your cell phone was turned off between here and here, OK? But the last place it pulled (ph) it was here. The next place it turned on was here. What does that show me?

ARIAS: Oh, well, I began -- oh, no, no, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there plenty of time for you to do that? Yes. And I -- do I believe that you had come to visit Travis? Yes, I truly believe it. Did you have the opportunity? Yes. You were traveling alone. There`s no other witnesses. Your phone just happened to turn off from here to here.

ARIAS: Well, I didn`t turn it off physically, but it died.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then it magically -- you found your charger here?

ARIAS: It was under (INAUDIBLE) packed under the seat on the passenger side. And it was when I was...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you were lost, you couldn`t have maybe pulled over and found it or...

ARIAS: Well, I did finally start looking when I was stranded. I wouldn`t have pulled over when I was lost.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But I don`t think you`re being completely honest with me about that trip.

ARIAS: I honestly got lost. It`s bad timing.


GRACE: Many people have asked me what I`m looking forward to the most. Well, I don`t think you ever really look forward to anything in a murder trial. I`ve been a crime victim myself and prosecuted I can`t even count how many homicides.

But if there`s one thing that I`m most curious about, I`m like anybody else. Will Jodi Arias take the stand? And if so, what is she going to say?