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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Wanted to Plead Guilty

Aired January 28, 2013 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet on a work trip in Vegas and they fall hard. But when the flame burns out, they break up, she then moves 300 miles to chase him, even converting to Mormonism.

But then 30-year-old Travis Alexander found slumped over dead in the shower of his home, shot, stabbed 29 times. And just hours after she admittedly stabs him to death, she`s literally hopping on top of a brand- new boyfriend. Twenty-seven-year-old Arias has wild sex with Travis all day, even photographing the sex. But just minutes after sex, slashes his throat ear to ear.

Bombshell tonight. We are live here in Phoenix, Arizona. Just behind me, Jodi Arias`s jail cell. Tonight, we go inside the jail, just as we learn Arias tries desperately to plead guilty to murder two, but for a light sentence. Prosecutors say, No way, Arias.

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GRACE: We are here in Arizona, in the Estrella jail. Hello, ladies. With me is Sergeant Pike (ph), and she will be taking us through the jail. I want to find out where she is every day and what she does every day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She may read. She has day room access for 16 hours.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s not really much to do because there`s, like, a small space, and there`s nothing out there. So we just walk around, like, in a circle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... our brunch sack, or as the inmates call it, a lad (ph) mo (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Phone calls are available to her. She may make phone calls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the women`s prisons, they get to hang around each other, get to communicate with all the other inmates.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Don`t roll the tape yet!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She doesn`t deserve to have that kind of happiness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pretty much day-to-day life in a small cell with another person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We try and stick together. We`re here for each other.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... inmates per cell, so we can -- we have a pretty good view.

This is a psychological area where inmates are evaluated by psychological staff.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) (INAUDIBLE) and there`s the knowledge of my own innocence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

We are live here, Phoenix, Arizona. Just behind me, Jodi Arias`s jail cell. Tonight, inside the jail.

Bombshell tonight. As we touch down in Phoenix, Arizona, we learn Arias tries desperately to plead guilty to murder two for a very light sentence. Prosecutors say, No way, Arias.

Everyone, joining me tonight specially, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the sheriff that runs the jail in which Arias is housed. But as we touch down and make our way to the jail tonight, we learn that Arias tries desperately to take a guilty plea.

Yes, she wants to plead guilty to murder two in the stabbing and shooting death of Travis Alexander, but she wants a light sentence, and the prosecution says no. This as an explosive day in the courtroom.

Straight out to Beth Karas. Beth, what happened?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, she was going to plead to second degree murder, but that carries 10 to 22 years, and that was not going to happen. The state is seeking death.

But today was a hearing. There was no jury. And the defense is alleging prosecutorial misconduct on the part of Juan Martinez, the prosecutor. They called a witness who says he tried to call the prosecutor during the pendency of this case, that he never got a call back. It`s not really clear what the allegation of misconduct is, Nancy.

GRACE: Wait a minute! Beth...

KARAS: But it may be...

GRACE: Beth, Beth, Beth!

KARAS: ... that...

GRACE: Just -- are you telling me the defense wasted our time by claiming prosecutorial misconduct? Travis Alexander, 29 stab wounds, ear to ear, and they`re saying the prosecution misbehaved by not returning a phone call? Do I have a bad connection? Did you just say that?

KARAS: Well, they think it`s a little more involved than that, that maybe he had a reason for not wanting to call this witness, named Gus Searcy (ph). Maybe he thought Gus wasn`t going to help him, so he didn`t want to talk to him, which is his right as a prosecutor.

But it`s not clear. I mean, maybe he called this other witness, Chris Hughes (ph), to have him call Searcy to find out what Searcy was going to say or to tell him to say something different or not to cooperate with the defense.

It`s just not clear. It`s not finished, though. These witnesses have to be cross-examined, so we haven`t heard everything.

GRACE: OK. Out to you, Jean Casarez, also at the courthouse. Everybody, we are all here live tonight bringing you the very latest in what proves to be one of the major trials of the decade, Jodi Arias on trial for the stabbing and shooting death of her lover, Travis Alexander.

Her story has changed multiple times, but somehow, some way, she manages to convince people she`s telling the truth. I can`t tell you how many inmates I spoke to behind bars today. Every one of them said the same thing. I`ve met Jodi Arias. She`s such a sweet girl. She`s beautiful. She wouldn`t hurt a flea -- she wouldn`t hurt a flea. She wouldn`t squish a bug! She killed Travis Alexander because he was going to kill her. They all believe that. Will she take the stand and work that same magic on a jury of 12?

We are live and taking your calls. Out to you, Jean Casarez. What`s going to happen? Are they going to put her on the stand? And is this claim of prosecutorial misconduct going to drag into the jury time tomorrow?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, Nancy, yes and yes. It is believed that Jodi Arias is going to take the stand because traditionally, in a self-defense case, it is only you that can tell your story. But we won`t know until it happens.

And as far as prosecutorial misconduct, as Beth said, the chapter has not ended yet. The story is untold at this point. There will be cross- examination tomorrow and a brand-new witness from the defense.

GRACE: Joining me tonight is a special guest, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Maricopa County sheriff. He runs the jail in which Arias is housed. Sheriff, thank you for being with us.

JOE ARPAIO, MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF: (INAUDIBLE) a little wet and cold out here.

GRACE: It`s a tiny bit wet, but you know what? When I think about what Travis Alexander went through, when I think about what his family is going through during all of this, seeing him dragged through the mud, this is a very small price for me to pay to be here and to see justice as it unfolds.

Sheriff, I was very interested in the inner workings of your jail today. And to a fault, every single inmate that I spoke with that has come in contact with Jodi Arias believes that she acted in self-defense.

You know, is it your belief, Sheriff Arpaio, that a lot of defendants have a certain charisma about them, that they can -- they should be in sales. I mean, they can sell anything. They can sell ice to an eskimo. Have you ever noticed that about certain defendants, Sheriff?

ARPAIO: Well, we expect these gals to say -- you know, they`re all in the same -- not for murder, but they`re all in jail. I`m sure they`re not happy being in jail. So naturally, they`re going to support their fellow inmate. That`s just human nature.

GRACE: Everybody, we are live and taking your calls. Straight out to Steven in South Carolina. Hi, Steven. Do you have a question for the sheriff or for any of us on the panel?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was actually -- oh, by the way, I love your show, Nancy. I mean, you don`t even know how (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was wanting to know what angle do you think the defense might take, knowing that they have the pictures of him in the shower where they -- or in the bedroom in a -- like, a -- like a calm position, you know, like -- like he was just calm, like, before the murder happened.

GRACE: Well, you know, I`ve had a lot of people call in, Steven in North (SIC) Carolina, regarding his demeanor in the shower because he looks very calm. In fact, he looks like he`s posing for a sexy photo shoot with Jodi Arias. I mean, he`s flexing his biceps. He`s looking completely calm.

And the question is going to be, Jean Casarez, how -- and those photos are timestamped, Jean. How in less than one minute, literally in about 40 seconds, did it turn from this sexy photo shoot -- I don`t think it`s sexy, but apparently, Jodi Arias thought it was sexy. How did it turn from a sexy photo shoot to suddenly, she`s stabbing him to death and she shoots him?

I mean, she had to have those weapons concealed on her. We see a photo of her leg, and she`s got on her clothes, so she obviously has the weapons concealed on her. How can there be an attack on her and she`s already got concealed weapons? That doesn`t make sense.

CASAREZ: I think the defense is going to use that time factor to their advantage. They`re going to say that something happened, thus no premeditation. As far as the weapons, opening statements we heard from the defense said the knife was there because he was tying her up with satin cording from a pillow. As far as the gun, no explanation with that.

GRACE: OK. Matt Zarrell, a lot is going down in the case. We expect some of the main witnesses to start in just a couple of hours. What can you tell me about the defense`s star witness, LaViolette?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): OK, well, let`s start with she`s got a lot of history with both books and speeches, including she has one speech where she questions whether Snow White was a battered woman.

GRACE: Stop. Stop. Whether Snow White was a battered woman. Hold that thought, Matt Zarrell.

Let me go out to Bonny Forrest, Dr. Bonny Forrest, psychologist joining me out of LA. Dr. Forrest, thank you for being with us. That kind of ruins her reputation, in a sense, when -- I mean, how can you take someone seriously in a case such as this, with this gravity, a murder one case, where one of her main speeches is, Was Snow White a battered woman? Help me.

BONNY FORREST, PSYCHOLOGIST: Nancy, I don`t know if I can help you on that one because that one`s really hard to understand.

From my experience on these cases, I think the problem here is, is that she keeps changing her story and keeps really calling into question her credibility. I think from a defense standpoint, that may play into their defense because they still have to put on their case and show us exactly how it is that this whole thing happened.

GRACE: Right now, we`re going out to Memory in California. Hi, Memory. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. (INAUDIBLE) I love your show. I love -- your twins are beautiful...

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... and you think so much like myself. But Nancy, I just wanted to say a couple of things. First of all, I, too, am a member of the church that they both belonged to. And my husband and I were watching this early on, when she claimed that -- they had somebody on the stand that was saying that, you know, they had sexual intercourse and that there was this -- like, some sort of hierarchy of sin that -- you know, that they would be accused of.

That`s not true. There`s no, you know, Oh, if you have sexual intercourse, you`re going to -- you`re going to be ex communicated. Oh, that`s worse than if you stab the neighbor`s dog or if -- you know, there just isn`t this thing.

You know, you would go in and you meet with your bishop, talk to him and discuss, you know, your personal things, first of all. So I just wanted to clear that up. That`s wrong, what she said.

And second of all, even if they were into this little thing, this kinky sex that she claims that they were into and all that stuff, and he took this gun up -- I mean, this knife up there, like you said she did -- you know, could have done for the cording, or what have you -- what did she need the gun for? What`d (INAUDIBLE) for?

And if he`s self-defense -- he`s in the shower naked, and he`s going to -- and she`s taking his camera and going to take pictures of him and then try to drop the camera, make him mad, take pictures that he didn`t like, that he told her not to take...

GRACE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... whatever -- so one step, boom, and run like heck. Get the heck out of Dodge.

GRACE: OK, out to you, Beth Karas, weigh in.

KARAS: Well, you know, it is true that Jodi Arias is saying that, you know, this is going to look really bad for Travis Alexander if this case ever goes to trial. She wanted to avoid this case going to trial by taking a plea because, she says, he was not the person that his friends in the Mormon church thought he was.

Now, regarding, you know, how the killing went down, maybe she did drop it. Maybe, if you believe the state`s case, you know, she dropped it intentionally. She did something to try to make him angry. But there`s no question that he was dead in fewer than two minutes from the last photo of him alive.

GRACE: Well, you know, Beth, that whole theory, the theories that you and Jean and Bonny have gone over and over and over with me, they`re all very interesting, but here`s the deal. You can`t have an attack and her running to go get a weapon and it all go down in just a few seconds.

Everybody, we are here. We have traveled to Phoenix, Arizona. We are going to be in the courtroom again tomorrow. What will the fate of Jodi Arias be? Will she take the stand? Many court watchers says she is the defense star witness.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "He was a rock in my life. He introduced me to the church. He baptized me. He was a source of light."

ARIAS: If Travis were here today, he would tell you that it wasn`t me!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would say she`s a model inmate. She`s very intelligent. She reads a lot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Much of our relationship toward the end was rocky."

ARIAS: There`s no reason I would ever want to hurt him!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now her story is she killed Travis in self- defense.

ARIAS: He works out really, really hard. He`s so strong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very savvy about the law. She understands our grievance procedures quite well.

ARIAS: If I killed Travis, I would beg for the death penalty!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love him so much. I know that he is in a place that`s so wonderful."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s just very quiet. You don`t hear much from her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live here outside the Maricopa County jail. Testimony set to resume in just a few hours in the case of Jodi Arias, charged with murder one in the stabbing and shooting death of Travis Alexander, her lover.

Big question. Will Travis be painted to be a wife beater? Will Jodi Arias take the stand and drag him through the mud? A series of experts on the defense witness list, some of them psychologists, giving us a clue as to what is going to happen in the courtroom. But many people say the star witness is going to be Jodi Arias herself.

This as we learn Arias tried to plead guilty. That`s right, tried to plead guilty to murder two, but she didn`t like the time associated with any other sentence. The state said no.

Unleash the lawyers, Hugo Rodriguez, Miami, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney out of New York.

All right, Hugo Rodriguez, that`s deadly, if the jury were to learn what we know, that she actually said she wants to plead guilty to murder two?

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Mistrial. Let`s hope it doesn`t happen because they`re not entitled to know that.

GRACE: I didn`t ask you that!

RODRIGUEZ: They`re not entitled...

GRACE: Of course they`re not entitled...

(CROSSTALK)

RODRIGUEZ: It would be a mistrial if it was known.

GRACE: Yes. We all know that, Hugo. That`s why the jury doesn`t know. They`re never going to know. We know. It doesn`t seem quite fair...

RODRIGUEZ: Well, don`t say never.

GRACE: ... but what about it? I`m going to go to you, Alex Sanchez. That would be deadly. If the jury knew that she tried to plead guilty to this murder, it would be all over, but they`ll never know.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, let me tell you something, Nancy. The prosecution may regret not accepting a plea to second degree murder. I personally don`t think she should take a plea to second degree murder because I don`t think she`s going to be convicted of that offense because if she`s able to establish that she was, in fact, the victim of some form of psychological abuse, she has a case for all except maybe some minor charges, of being convicted.

GRACE: That`s a complete crock!

SANCHEZ: Well, I don`t think it`s a crock. And if you look at his statements about him calling her a "ho" and him calling her a slut and him calling her a three-holed wonder, that reveals something about who he is, and that needs to come to the jury`s attention.

GRACE: Oh, right! He deserves the death penalty. Right. He slings a few nasty names, so she gets to slash him from ear to ear. You know, I thought I was in America!

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a case of who done it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense in this murder case is once again calling out the prosecution for misconduct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There can be no legitimate dispute about the fact that she was there willingly.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are here outside the Maricopa County jail, and with me, special guest Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who runs this jail.

Sheriff, thanks for being with us. Question. How is Arias taken back and forth to the courthouse every day?

ARPAIO: She`s transported by our officers the same way as anyone else, in pink underwear and striped uniforms. Once she gets there, she switches into civilian clothes, when she appears in the court. When she gets done, back in the uniform, back to jail.

GRACE: Now, when you say she`s taken to court just like everybody else, I`m not necessarily referring to her underwear, I`m talking about, is she in a car? Is she in a sheriff`s bus? Do they have an underground holding area? Do they drive under the courthouse and go up, or do they walk in at street level?

ARPAIO: We have an underground way of transporting prisoners. But once again, I mentioned the clothes because we do change into civilian clothes when she appears in a court.

GRACE: Do they go on an MA (ph) bus?

ARPAIO: Yes.

GRACE: Are they handcuffed on the bus?

ARPAIO: Yes.

GRACE: And how many are on the bus?

ARPAIO: Depends how many are going to be transported that day. I think we have room for 12 or 14.

GRACE: You know, the reason I`m asking, Sheriff Arpaio, whenever I was in need of witnesses, I wanted more witnesses to bolster my case, a sure-fire way to find out more about the defendant is to go to the jailhouse, find a cellmate, a podmate in your case, find somebody that had been a cellmate or a podmate in the past.

And interestingly, I had a couple of cases I cracked with someone that had ridden in the jailhouse bus to the courthouse. Is there a record of who rides with her back and forth to the courthouse on any given day?

ARPAIO: Well, I`m sure we have a record. We want to make sure they don`t escape. We want to bring them back. So yes, we have records, I would imagine. We know who we transported.

GRACE: So if I wanted to find out what she may have said on the bus, Sheriff, I could look up one of those inmates and question them?

ARPAIO: Well, I`m not going to get into all that. I`m telling you...

GRACE: So I`m going to take that as a yes.

ARPAIO: Yes, if you can get there.

(LAUGHTER)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias could join three other women currently sitting on Arizona`s death row if a jury finds her guilty as charged. A first degree murder conviction could land Arias in line for what`s recently become one of the nation`s busiest death chambers.

The state carries out all post-1992 convictions by lethal injection and now permits witnesses to watch prisoners put to death. Its courts recently gave the green light for witnesses to observe the entire execution process, including insertion of the lethal IV.

Arizona courts further OKed a one-drug dose of pentobarbital as the method for death, but the state is said to have only enough supply of the drug to carry out one more execution before it`s forced to find an alternative.

Convicted rapist and double murderer Dale Stokely (ph) was put to death last month by prison officials who delivered his lethal injection by cutting into his groin area, this in efforts to find an artery suitable for delivering the drug.

The femoral catheter procedure is standard alternative when officials run into trouble inserting IV lines into a prisoner`s arm.

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GRACE: We are live here in Phoenix and taking your calls. Right behind me the jailhouse, Maricopa County jailhouse, where Arias is housed. We have been in the jail, in and out all day long, learning what we can.

This is an explosive day of testimony, rips the court apart, and it`s scheduled to start again in just a couple of hours.

With me Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Sheriff, if Arias was to get -- were to get the death penalty, that goes down in a state facility, Florence, Arizona?

SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO, MARICOPA COUNTY: Florence, Arizona, yes.

GRACE: And how far away is that from here?

ARPAIO: About 30 miles.

GRACE: OK. And now witnesses are allowed to watch the death penalty?

ARPAIO: Yes.

GRACE: I want to go out to our doctor joining us tonight, Dr. Michelle Dupre, forensic pathologist, medical examiner.

Dr. Dupre, it is now a one-drug protocol, pentobarbital. Why was it reduced from a three-drug to a one-drug protocol?

Hey, Drew, let me know when you get our medical examiner back up, when we get her on line.

In the meantime I`m going to Chad Perkins just joining me. Chad is a childhood best friend of Travis Alexander.

Chad, thank you for being with us.

CHAD PERKINS, CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Thank you.

GRACE: Chad, I knew that you guys have been best friends since you were children. What was your first reaction when you learned that Travis had been killed by a woman that he was dating?

PERKINS: Well, initially I didn`t realize that it was Jodi. I just knew that Travis was killed. And even that was just really hard to believe because Travis is just such a tough character. He`s so resilient and later I learned it was Jodi, I still couldn`t believe it. Everyone that knew him that was around everything that happened in Arizona, they all knew but I still had a really hard time believing it.

GRACE: Chad, what have you learned about Jodi Arias before the murder and then after?

PERKINS: Well, I knew that she was this sweet thing, and Travis baptized her and helped her out. And I knew also about six months before he died, I asked Travis about her and their relationship, and he said, oh, it`s a huge, long story. A lot of fatal attraction type stuff. I don`t want to get into it. Just a bunch of bad news there. So I just kind of let it go, and I just thought it was just this really casual thing.

And it wasn`t until I started putting pieces together for myself afterwards that I realized that she was trouble and she definitely did this.

GRACE: Wait a minute, Chad. Are you telling me that Alexander said it`s a fatal attraction thing?

PERKINS: Yes, yes. He sounded like -- I mean, Travis is always kind of a prankster, jokester type guy, but he did kind of, like, hint at this fact that -- that Jodi had a little bit of a crazy tendency, a little bit of a stalker tendency even months before he died.

GRACE: You know, Travis Alexander came from so little, Chad, and made so much out of his life. How did he get involved with Mormonism?

PERKINS: He got in through his grandmother, and he had his own bouts of back and forth when he was really young. And then when he was about in high school, he started going independently. So regardless of what anybody else around him was doing, he went independently and got his own personal conviction about then, about midway through high school, maybe sophomore year.

GRACE: Out to Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story, who is Gus Searcy, and how is he taking center stage?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: OK. Gus Searcy was actually called today. He was in court for the hearing for prosecutorial misconduct. Gus Searcy said that he got a call from Travis Alexander`s friend, Chris Hughes, or received a text message, asking that - - was he on the witness list, that he heard that he was on the witness list and this is within an hour of the defense actually putting him on the witness list.

So the defendant is implying that Chris Hughes got the information from the state that Searcy was on the witness list. Also Searcy allegedly told Hughes that he had big information that could really help or hurt Arias but he only hinted at it. He did not say what that information was.

GRACE: So, bottom line, they are claiming that someone leaked the defense witness list?

ZARRELL: It seems like the defense is suggesting that that is where - - that is where Chris Hughes got the information from, was from the state. That Searcy was on the list.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: But that doesn`t matter because witness lists are public. The state`s witness list is often on the back of the indictment, and at some point the defense has to file their witness list with the county clerk. So I`m not quite sure what`s wrong with someone leaking who is on the defense witness list.

But with me is Dave Hall, he is a friend of both Chris Hughes and Gus Searcy, friend of the witness who testified today.

Dave, how do you know Chris Hughes and Gus Searcy, and what`s your take on all of this?

DAVE HALL, FRIEND OF WITNESS WITH DEFENSE, CHRIS HUGHES AND GUS SEARCY: Well, I know Gus Searcy from business. I`ve known him for many years. I`ve had him in my house in Utah. And Chris Hughes is also in the business and he`s also kind of a relative of mine.

GRACE: When you say he`s in the business, what do you mean by that?

HALL: In legal field. We all work in the same company together.

GRACE: OK. And, Matt Zarrell, what will Searcy`s -- testimony be if it goes in front of the jury?

ZARRELL: Well, that`s what we`re trying to figure out is, what is this info that he has that says could be make or break for Arias that he even implied that Arias could be freed by the information.

GRACE: With me right now, Bonnie Druker.

Bonnie, you`ve been in the jail all day, alternating from between here and the courthouse. What have you learned?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, I`ve learned that being in the jail is no walk in the park. This is hard time. And what we`ve also learned by talking to a lot of the inmates is that the same way Jodi Arias manipulated men, she seems to be manipulating all the people in the jail.

Just want to show you pink seems to be the color in the jail. This is a pink shirt. They wear some pink panties --

GRACE: Underwear, Bonnie, underwear.

DRUKER: Yes, underwear. Some striped uniforms, and this is what everybody wears.

GRACE: Bonnie, I appreciate that. But Travis Alexander was stabbed 29 times when he was shot and you`re showing me some pink underwear.

DRUKER: Yes.

GRACE: What else did you learn, if anything?

DRUKER: Again, I learned that she manipulated a lot of these inmates. I learned that most of them said that she did not do this and that they support Jodi Arias in this case.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live camped outside the Maricopa County jail. With me tonight Sheriff Joe Arpaio who runs the jail in which Arias is housed. With me at the courthouse, Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session," and Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session." Both of them have been in the courtroom from the very beginning.

So, Beth, a claim of prosecutorial misconduct sounds bogus to me. What`s next?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Well, you know, the hearing will continue briefly in the morning and then the defense case will start. We don`t know who they`re going to start with. I wouldn`t be surprised if they begin with their expert witnesses and then maybe put on some friends of Travis and Jodi, who might say something about, you know, seeing an argument maybe, but they have two or three experts they intend to call. Of course the wild card is Jodi Arias. Will she take the stand and will it be in the next few days.

GRACE: You know, Jean Casarez, a story reared its ugly head that there is a witness that saw Arias with some bruises on her hand, possibly a broken finger, maybe a bruise on her neck, and that after a lot of coaxing that she said -- Jodi Arias said that Travis Alexander had left those bruises on her. What do we know about that?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": This is what we know. A former boyfriend of Jodi Arias`, they dated about two years, I believe he`s from northern California, and according to some writing that he may have done on a blog, he saw Jodi one day and she had a broken finger and she had finger marks that were in red on her neck.

He asked her what happened. She blamed it on a seat belt, but he kept pushing her and pushing her and she finally says that it was Travis. And he said, why don`t you stay away from him? And she said, I try but he just won`t let me.

GRACE: And will this ex-boyfriend, yet another man that apparently is under her spell, will he testify?

CASAREZ: It appears as though he might. He told the defense he didn`t want to come anywhere near the trial, did not want to be a part of it, but it appears as though he may be a witness for the defense.

GRACE: Now, Jean Casarez, that is the very first thing I`ve heard so far that would lend any credence whatsoever to her claim that she was battered by him, that he had beaten her in the past. I still don`t see the logistics of that day she was under attack so this was self-defense. But this blogger sounds like the first person that could put any skin on the bones of that claim.

Let`s go to the lawyers. Hugo Rodriguez, Alex Sanchez.

OK, guys, take off your defense hats just a moment and let`s analyze this. I don`t know -- first out to you, Rodriguez -- that the judge would allow the testimony because it`s basically hearsay that the defendant said, that would be self-serving to Jodi Arias.

Wouldn`t she have to testify to that herself? He can testify to what he saw, Hugo, the bruises, the broken finger, but after what she said, I don`t think that`s going to come in. She`s going to have to take the stand if she wants that in.

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, FMR. FBI AGENT: Unless the state attacks her and then they could bring it in as a prior consistent statement, but, Nancy, what`s very revealing are the questions that the jury asked.

They have a unique system that the judge allows jurors to ask questions. They submit them to the judge and then the judge asks the questions to the witnesses, and their questions are revealing. You know, they have real questions about the knife, possession of guns, and who else has alibis. That`s revealing.

GRACE: Yes, I know. I know. We covered that when it happened. And I`m still concerned about how the jury thinks the roommates were involved when the defense says in open statement she did it. My client did it.

All right. To you, very quickly, Alex, I don`t think that this blogger witness, the ex-boyfriend, is going to get to testify to that. That would be complete hearsay in a self-serving statement of Jodi Arias`. She is going to have to testify to that.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It is hearsay, but it is permissible hearsay, plus it comes in to -- comes in under the theory of subject to connection, meaning it first comes in and then once she testifies, she can confirm that that particular conversation had taken place.

GRACE: You know, the thing they can`t get around, to you, Dr. Michelle Dupre in Columbia -- I think I`ve got you back -- medical examiner, pathologist, is the nine stab wounds to the back. How can that be self-defense, Dr. Dupre?

DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes. I totally do not know the answer to that. Stabbing in the back is not self-defense. (INAUDIBLE) actually has defensive wounds himself.

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GRACE: We are all here camped out just in front of the Maricopa County jail. Inside Jodi Arias is housed. It`s been an explosive day in court. Mud was sling all -- slung all over the courtroom.

Testimony set to take back off in just a couple of hours. But I want you to listen to a MySpace conversation between murder defendant Jodi Arias and childhood best friend of Travis Alexander. This took place over MySpace. Take a listen.

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JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Personally, I am absolutely devastated. He was a rock in my life. He introduced me to the church. He baptized me. He was a source of light. Much of our relationship toward the end was rocky, but it will never change how incredible and amazing he was -- and still is. Nor will it ever change how grateful I am that our paths crossed.

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GRACE: To Chad Perkins, joining me tonight exclusively, childhood best friend of Travis Alexander.

Chad, when you hear this, she is having this MySpace conversation with you with blood literally dripping, you know, down her wrists. She just killed him and she`s having this conversation with you about how amazing he is, how he baptized her, how she is so grateful he was in her life? Response?

PERKINS: Yes, it -- it makes me really uncomfortable, especially after the fact, to realize that she did it, that she admitted doing it, and that she has contacted me before. There`s something about that that is just not acceptable to me for some reason. It makes me really weird, feel really uncomfortable.

GRACE: Well, what`s so amazing, and I`m just still reeling, Chad, from walking up and down all the halls of this jailhouse with one person after the next that she has convinced. Of course, she wasn`t under cross examination, that she acted in self defense.

I want to go back out to the courtroom stars Beth Karas and Jean Casarez.

Beth Karas, first to you. I guarantee you Arias wants to take the stand, and there are 11 men on that jury. Look, after I heard about the one Mormon gentleman that sat alone in a car with her for two hours and then he wanted to leave his wife and children, I`m concerned.

KARAS: Well, you know, she is a little seductress. I don`t know if it will work on the men in the jury. You know, there are 11 men and seven women. There will be six alternates selected randomly, so we don`t know what the final deliberating jury will look like, how many men there will be. But I`m sure that it is a concern to the prosecution that she might have some effect on even one man, but that doesn`t mean she goes free. That just means they have to do it over if --

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GRACE: OK. What about it, Jean?

KARAS: If there`s someone that will hang the jury.

GRACE: What about it, Jean?

CASAREZ: I would be concerned about the women, and I`ll tell you why we need to be concerned about the women. Once this defense case starts, they will portray Jodi as a victim, someone who is emotionally abused, a victim of domestic violence, maybe even sexually abused.

Let`s see about that. Could any juror relate to her? And I`m talking a female juror.

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GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Specialist Joseph Lewis, 26, Terrell, Texas. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, National Defense Ribbon, parents Mike and Pam, sister Amanda, widow, Teresa, daughter Abigail.

Joseph Lewis, American hero.

Welcome back, everybody. We are here outside the Maricopa County jail. With us tonight, braving the elements, it`s been pouring rain on us here, Sheriff Joe Arpaio who runs this jailhouse. Behind me just a few feet, Jodi Arias waits for her rematch in court tomorrow morning. It`s been an explosive day in court.

Out to the lines, Beth in Michigan. Hi, Beth. What`s your question?

BETH, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear, what`s your question?

BETH: Yes, my question is, do you see any similarities between Arias and Ted Bundy, like they`re very (INAUDIBLE) talkers, good looking. He wanted to become (INAUDIBLE) seeing photos in court and Arias made that more of a curiosity comment.

GRACE: Well, I`ll tell you what I see as a commonality between Arias and Ted Bundy, not so much the number of their murder victims, which of course there`s no comparison to Ted Bundy who was a serial killer. But their demeanor I find to be strikingly similar. Ted Bundy was very, very charismatic. He had a magnetic personality.

Even people that heard the evidence and knew him still don`t believe he did it. Arias seems to have that same effect on people, and very anxious to see if she takes the stand and to see how the jury reacts to her.

Kelly in California. Hi, dear, what`s your question?

KELLY, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I would like to know what are the odds --

GRACE: Thank you.

KELLY: What are the odds that Jodi Arias is a psychopathic, cold- blooded killer who has a multiple personality disorder where one part of her didn`t know what the other part did?

GRACE: Good question. I`m going to throw that to Bonnie for us, psychologist.

Weigh in, Bonnie.

Hi, Nancy. I think it`s pretty slim. First of all multiple personality disorder is very rare. I think that here you have -- a situation where she certainly is charismatic. I`m with you on that, Nancy. I think other people will see that as a very confused young woman.

GRACE: Everyone, we are here for the duration, today outside the -- outside the jail, tomorrow at the courthouse.

As we go, I want to say happy ninth birthday to third grade California friend kidney transplant survivor Xavier. And happy birthday to our friend Margot, mother of two, and Cat Felix.

Everybody, "DR. DREW," is up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, Good night, friend.

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