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Ray Lewis Finds Redemption at Church; Storm Hitting South Right Now; Gunman takes Boy, 6, Hostage During Hearings on Guns in Washington; Toyota Announces Massive Recall; Breaking News on Shooting in Phoenix; Bill Gates Weighs in on Immigration.

Aired January 30, 2013 - 13:30   ET

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JAMAL BRYAN, PASTOR, EMPOWERMENT TEMPLE AMA CHURCH: I need you to lift up your voice. I will not be defeated.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In Pastor Jamal Bryan's church, God is on the Ravens side. And why not? Bryant is Ray Lewis's pastor, the man who helped lead Lewis to redemption, to God.

(on camera): People call him Reverend Ray.

BRYAN: Yes.

COSTELLO: Does he deserve that title, Reverend Ray?

BRYAN: He does. He's a jack-leg preacher without a license, no Bible college. It's in him. He can't help him. He's spoken here a couple of times. I have put him up to do Bible study. He's like Billy Graham and Bishop Jakes wrapped into one.

COSTELLO (voice-over): This is Lewis preaching at Empowerment Temple last year after a rash of shootings in Baltimore over Labor Day weekend.

RAY LEWIS, BALTIMORE RAVENS RUNNING BACK: We've got to change the way our children think. We've got to change the way these gangs are dictating and running our streets. We have the ability to do that. But it's called tough love.

(SHOUTING)

COSTELLO: Fans call Lewis's in your face faith an extensive community service beautifully sincere.

But his critics find it phony, a redemption true with no true redemption.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have all the attention glorifying him. He was involved in what happened down in Atlanta. People don't seem to care. They are more interested in football.

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Carol Costello joins us.

Really fascinating piece, a fascinating individual here. You talked to his pastor. Does he talk about what happened in Atlanta 13 years ago in Atlanta when you had those two people stabbed to death?

COSTELLO: Oh, yes. Pastor Bryan has talked to Ray Lewis extensively about what happened that night 13 years ago in Atlanta. He wouldn't get into specifics, but he did tell me that that night changed Ray Lewis. He decided he didn't want to hang out with those kinds of people anymore, friends from the past who got him into trouble. He ejected those friends from his life and adopted a godly way to live. He gave back to the community, started preaching in church, living his life as God lived his life.

The pastor told me, you know, he's sorry about what happened in Atlanta, but he's not going to dwell on it. He moved on now and learned from it.

MALVEAUX: He's moved on. Now he's retiring now. He has another gig? What's he doing now?

COSTELLO: After Super Bowl Sunday --

MALVEAUX: Yes. What's he going to do?

COSTELLO: -- after God says he'll win the Super Bowl --

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COSTELLO: He's going to become an analyst for ESPN. I'm sure he'll be preaching across the country. It's something he enjoys doing. And it's something that a lot of people want to hear.

MALVEAUX: I'm fascinated by his career, his future. I don't know if God takes sides on this matter.

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May the best team win, you know?

COSTELLO: In Ray Lewis's world, in Pastor Bryan's world, God decides that. He likes redemption and Ray Lewis epitomizes redemption in the eyes of Pastor Bryan.

MALVEAUX: Who knew about this antler spray?

(LAUGHTER)

I never heard of such a thing.

COSTELLO: I'm going to try it myself. Just kidding.

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MALVEAUX: Carol, good to see you.

On a day when Capitol Hill is hearing both sides of the gun debate, a gunman boards a school bus, kills the driver and takes a 6-year-old hostage. That stand-off is going on right now.

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MALVEAUX: We are following severe weather. Want to bring in Chad Myers who is looking at things across the country here, particularly in the Atlanta area as well.

Chad, is there anything new?

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: We have a cold air mass on one side, warm air mass on the other. Right in the middle where that clash is, is where the tornadoes are occurring now.

We are getting reports in Adairsville. Those reports will be coming in. It was a big storm. It was a big tornado. I've seen pictures of it. There will be a lot of damage and there's quite a few injuries.

Minot, North Dakota, 12 below zero. Miami right now is 78 degrees. There is a 90-degree difference across the country from the hot to the cold where we are at this point. That's because the jet stream has dipped down to the south through here. Any time there is a jet stream, right along that jet stream, the wind, that's where the energy is to make tornadoes. That's why we have them today. We'll watch them for you throughout the day.

Now nothing threatening any major city at this point with rotation. But that could change literally in five minutes. That's how quickly storms have been developing. We'll keep you advised.

MALVEAUX: The picture of the tornado, give us a sense of how big it was, the tornado that touched down in Georgia.

MYERS: It's hard to tell because they don't know how far away the camera is from the tornado on that picture. But I have seen from our other affiliates that are up there now, taking pictures and sending them to Atlanta, there are at least 130 to 140 miles-per-hour tornado creating winds, dumping cars upside down, right on their tops, right their roofs. From standing on all four wheels to all four wheels being pointed right up in the air. Trees ripped off. The storm went over (-75, tipped tractor-trailers, threw cars over the roadway. This could be an F-2 or 3 tornado. It could be a weak 3. That would bring it up to 140 miles per hour. There will be a lot of damage. This is a long-lived tornado. It was on the ground for 15 to 20 minutes.

MALVEAUX: Wow. All right, Chad. We'll follow that throughout the day.

We are also following a bizarre and frightening scenario. This is a chain of events out of southern Alabama. It is continuing now, as we speak. Police worked through the night here. They are still trying to save a 6-year-old boy from a man they say snatched him from a school bus. The man shot and killed the bus driver. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL SENN, WITNESS: From what I understand, kids were running down the road, behind the church, trying to get to safety. I also spoke to a young guy, 13 years old, that was really traumatized. He saw everything that had taken place. He's a good friend of the little boy that, from what we understand, was taken hostage.

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MALVEAUX: Martin Savidge has the story.

You have been following it from the beginning. What do we understand? First of all, how did this happen? What do we know about the state of the little boy right now?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It began yesterday afternoon. It was around 3:40 when the bus, dropped the children off in this small community known as Midland City in central Alabama. At one stop, the gunman burst aboard and, according to witnesses on the bus, said, I want two kids. The bus driver, Charles Poland, Jr., jumped up and said, that's not going to happen. He was shot four times. He later died. The gunman took one child.

But the good news out of the horrible circumstance is because of what the bus driver did, 20 other children got off the bus safely.

Of course, it's the one with child we are worried about. The unidentified 6-year-old, who the gunman took to a nearby, homemade bunker underground, and is keeping the child there, presumably at gun point. As now the FBI has stepped in to negotiate. This is on-going now almost 24 hours.

MALVEAUX: The FBI knows where the child is. They have been able to monitor his state?

SAVIDGE: This is a strange thing. I mentioned the bunker. They are communicating -- usually we think over the telephone, or we think maybe over a bull horn. This is over a PVC pipe that's running into this bunker. That's how they are communicating with a gunman. It's also, we're told, how medicine was delivered to the boy. He needs medicine daily. And apparently, it's the way authorities got proof of life, that the little boy is live and well, at least last we heard.

MALVEAUX: Martin Savidge, thanks for the update. Really appreciate it. Such a sad story.

SAVIDGE: Oh, it is.

MALVEAUX: Hopefully, this little boy will make it.

Thank you, Martin.

Microsoft founder, Bill Gates, is speaking out about immigration. We'll hear from him next.

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MALVEAUX: If you drive a Toyota, listen up. Toyota announcing a massive recall that could affect more than a million cars out on the road right now. The company is concerned about air bag control problems in 752,000 Corolla and Corolla Matrix cars. They were sold between 2003 and 2004. There is also a problem also with the windshield wipers in the Lexus I.S. models sold between 2006 and 2012.

"CNN Money's" Peter Valdes-Dapena is in New York.

Who does this impact, Peter? What do we know?

PETER VALDES-DAPENA, CNNMONEY.COM CORRESPONDENT: What we know now is it affects a lot of people. The Corolla is a popular car. What's happening here is an air bag controller, one that was also used in 900,000 Jeeps that were recalled back in November, is the same part from an outside supplier, it can decay over time causing a short circuit, which can cause the air bag to go over for no reason, which is scary. This isn't a gentle nudge. An air bag going off is a pretty explosive event and pretty startling to the driver.

In the Lexus case, there is a nut they used to tighten down the windshield wipers. It has a coating that prevented it from being tightened enough at the factory. If you try to use a wiper weighed down by snow, it can't lift up but then the screw can come loose, causing the wiper not to work well at all after that.

What Toyota wants people to do is bring your car to the dealership, have these control boards on the Corollas, the microchips changed. For the Lexus, bring it in and have the nut changed for one a different nut that will stay tightened, no matter what.

MALVEAUX: All right, Peter, thank you.

We're following breaking news from Phoenix. We'll have much more on a potential shooter that is now loose in the area after opening fire on a local business. We understand there are multiple victims.

We'll have more after a quick break.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN.

MALVEAUX: Breaking news out of Phoenix now. Want to go to live pictures. This is some video we are getting from our affiliate, KTVK, as a matter of fact. Police now responding to reports of a shooting. Multiple victims. This is a business complex. It's near 16th Street and Glendale Avenue in Phoenix. We are looking at the aerial shots from our affiliate here. We have reports now that the suspect reportedly fled the scene. A search is now under way for the gunman. The aerial photos, these shots here, showing some that we have seen earlier, police cars, ambulance, fire engines that have all arrived. We also saw earlier somebody who was rolled out on a stretcher. Now we are taking a look at law enforcement officials and those who have gathered at the scene. This, of course, comes on a day when there is a huge gun debate raging on Capitol Hill over gun rights and following a multiple mass shootings that we have covered over several months, this span of several months.

But information that we are just getting now is that multiple victims, and still the gunman who is loose. Don't have a sense of the extent of the injuries. Don't really know what the gunman has in his or her possession. But we do know that the gunman is still on the loose, that they are trying to assess the situation and just how many people are involved.

We also are hearing from Mark Kelly, the husband of Gabrielle Giffords, who was shot in the head. They are participating in a hearing on Capitol Hill today over gun rights, the whole gun rights debate. He actually issued a statement here. I want to read this to you. He says, "While we were having this hearing -- and we certainly don't know the details -- but in Phoenix, Arizona, there is another, what seems to be possibly a shooting with multiple victims. It doesn't seem like anybody has been killed, but initial reports are three people injured in Phoenix, Arizona, with multiple shots fired. There's 50 or so police cars on this scene." That coming from Mark Kelly.

And you can only imagine what he is feeling, what his wife Gabby Giffords is feeling, when they look at that and hear information about yet another shooting taking place in Arizona. Just unbelievable. Coming on a day when people are talking about guns, gun rights, the debate continues. A lot of emotion behind this debate. A lot of different ideas about policy initiatives and what is the appropriate thing to do, and how to protect people's guns' rights, at the same time, how to prevent something like this from happening again. It happened again in Phoenix, Arizona.

We'll take a quick break.

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MALVEAUX: Bill Gates is speaking out about immigration. Christine Romans, she just came back from a sit-down with the Microsoft founder.

Hey, Christine. Making some news here.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, you know, he got real animated about the prospects, the first real prospects for immigration reform in this country in years, he said. He said he sees a real possibility that something could happen.

And he pointed out, look, back in 2009, he's widely quoted, he said many times that he thinks the American immigration system should favor smart people, capable people, as he says, who can start companies and who, with stem degrees, can take their education at big universities and get to work in the American economy. He says we're not doing that.

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BILL GATES, FOUNDER, MICROSOFT: Our immigration system makes it very hard for those people to come in. So, you know, if somebody is being offered a job here, for over $100,000, and there is other jobs created around that job, you don't want to discourage a company from having to put that --

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ROMANS: Do we discourage them?

GATES: Absolutely.

ROMANS: How.

GATES: You can be a student at U.C. Berkeley, foreign born, get this wonderful subsidized education, Microsoft offers you a job for over $100,000 a year. And we have to say, if the country will keep you. And most of those students are told they can't stay, get out of the United States.

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ROMANS: He says we're in no position to be telling people to get out of the United States if they have got the science, technology, engineering, math, the higher education and the degree skills that he says creates jobs in the economy.

He said something so interesting as well. He said that frankly the very thorny and complicated difficult problem, he said, of illegal immigration has held this highly skilled immigration part of the -- part of the immigration laws hostage. Listen.

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GATES: Certainly, if we want to bring a person here to be educated, you should never then make them go away. And there's some categories of jobs where you know that other jobs are created around them. And so forcing those back doesn't make sense. I think it is very doable. The numbers here are not anywhere comparable to the illegal immigration. And I would love to see us solve illegal immigration, a tougher problem. The high talent immigration has kind of held hostage to that broader problem.

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ROMANS: He's here, Suzanne, talking about the foundation, the annual letter that -- kind of chronicling what they're giving, they're giving away $28 billion, $26 billion, I think, over 18 years. And part of their focus in the U.S. is on the American education system, figuring out how to get more for our investments in education so that we can be growing this kind of talent at the same time that we're opening our doors to foreign talent, that we're educating here as well.

So he's very passionate about both of those things, both fixing the education system, measuring our teachers, getting more out of our dollars in education, and getting our kids up to speed here at the same time that we're allowing more people to come into the country with those skills as well -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: Christine, what does he think is the biggest challenge when it comes to our education system?

ROMANS: He would -- you know, he says that we need to have better teachers. And we need to help raise up our teachers. He says better teachers make better students. And that too many teachers and too many school districts never get the right feedback or they're not told, do it this way or don't do it this way. We don't use technology and innovation to measure teaching and results in education.

He's not saying, point blank, testing, testing, testing. That's what so many people have been talking about. He's talking about really finding ways to use -- and almost a sort of business sense, right, to use information and data to figure out how to get the best possible quality education in the classroom, because we are falling behind. Kids K through 12 are falling behind the rest of the world. And we have to make sure they get to college and aren't spending too much time, he says, in remedial math and science classes that are also holding them back. So their foundation has done an awful lot of work, awful lot of work on that.

MALVEAUX: Christine, we look forward to your full interview to see that.

Also, if you want to see the opinion piece, Gates' opinion piece, CNN.com is where you can read it.

There's other news we're watching now. Jim Nabors, the actor who played Gomer Pyle on "The Andy Griffith Show," you might remember, well, he has married his male partner of 38 years. Nabors tells "Hawaii News Now" he tied the knot in Seattle just a couple of weeks ago. Same-sex marriage became legal in Washington State last month. The two traveled from Hawaii, where they lived, for the ceremony performed by a judge. Nabors has never spoken to the media about being gay until now. But he says he has been open to coworkers and friends for years.

You might remember the Pakistani teen who was shot in the head last October for speaking out for girls' rights to education. Good news today for her. A series of surgeries for Malala Yousafzai soon are going to be over. Doctors say she's only got two more to go. One is going to insert a titanium plate to cover an opening in her skull.

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DR. DAVE ROSSER, QUEEN ELIZABETH HOSPITAL, BIRMINGHAM: Very simply speaking, this is putting a titanium plate, specially made, custom made titanium plate over the opening in her skull that is sort of this size in the left side, left-hand side of her skull. Clearly, this is primarily to offer physical protection to her brain, the same way a normal skull was -- would.

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MALVEAUX: We wish her the very best in her recovery. A brave young woman, only 15 years old.

That does it for me.

Brooke Baldwin is continuing with CNN NEWSROOM.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Winter to spring, in a matter of hours. You'll hear the real reason behind this wild weather.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.

Nightmare on the school bus. We'll take you inside the hostage situation involving a child and an underground bunker.

Plus, deja vu.

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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN, (D), CALIFORNIA: What we're talking about is a weapon crafted for war.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Honest people use a gun in this country to defend themselves from criminals the system will not control.

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BALDWIN: From the '90s to now, two familiar opponents once again battle over guns.