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Jodi Arias Cross Examination
Aired February 21, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Again, do you have a problem with memory?
JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Occasionally, when I`m under stress, yes, it affects my memory.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought you said that your relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful.
ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you did enjoy the sex, then, is that what you`re telling me?
ARIAS: At times, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We explore every naughty fantasy we could conjure up in our fruitful imaginations. I love him. I really do."
You were enjoying it, weren`t you.
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You enjoyed the Tootsie Pops and the Pop Rocks, correct?
ARIAS: I would not say enjoy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This doesn`t say that you didn`t enjoy it, does it.
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This encounter involving the Pop Rocks and Tootsie Pops also involved braids, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you enjoyed those braids, right?
ARIAS: I don`t...
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ARIAS: You know what I really like is when we were in the bathroom with candles and I had braids.
TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Oh, I love the braids.
ARIAS: I know. They`re hot.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You thought the braids were hot.
ARIAS: I believed that he thought it was hot, so it`s hot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying you lied?
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you want to hear it again?
ARIAS: No.
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ALEXANDER: I love the braids.
ARIAS: I know. They`re hot.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have problems with your memory, ma`am?
ARIAS: Sometimes.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. Day after day, Jodi Arias on the stand dragging murder victim Travis Alexander through the mud, claiming he was a pedophile. But in the weeks surrounding his murder, Arias buys a gun, dyes her hair, tape- records herself luring Travis into phone sex, continuing the on-the-stand attack on Alexander with hand-picked text messages, painting him as the bad guy.
But after days and days of innocuous babble, finally, Arias addresses why we`re all here, the murder. Her defense, it`s all a huge gap. Yes, she says stabbing Alexander 29 times, slashing his throat ear to ear, shooting him, leaving him for dead -- she tells the jury she can`t remember.
In the last hours, let the cross-examination begin! Liz, let`s go straight into the courtroom.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander. Yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And you`ve also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?
ARIAS: It depends on the type of memory issue.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say that you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right?
ARIAS: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And give me the factors. I don`t want to know about a specific circumstance. What factors influence your having a memory problem?
ARIAS: Usually, when men like you are screaming at me or grilling me, or someone like Travis doing the same.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that affects your memory problems, right?
ARIAS: It does. It makes my brain scramble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`re saying that it`s -- basically, what your saying is it`s Mr. Martinez`s fault that you can`t remember things that are going on.
ARIAS: It`s not your fault.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have problems with your memory, ma`am?
ARIAS: Sometimes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you can tell us, for example, what kind of coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can`t tell us what you said yesterday or the day before?
ARIAS: I always got the same drink at Starbucks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but you`re having trouble telling us what you said a couple of days ago?
ARIAS: When I`m under stress, yes, it affects my memory.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought you said the relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful.
ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pardon?
ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you did enjoy the sex, then, is that what you`re telling me?
ARIAS: At times, I did.
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GRACE: We are camped outside the courthouse, taking your calls. And with me right now, Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session." Jean, he started off with a bang, first thing. What happened?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, he showed a picture of Jodi and her sister and talked about that in a conversation with Travis -- which the jury has heard and heard again today -- that she said her sister was dumb and stupid. And then he says, Isn`t that a double standard right there? You`re laughing about your own sister, but you don`t say anything against Travis?
GRACE: You know, she was repeatedly asked about her memory. And I think that is critical, Jean, because when you get up to the self-defense portion of her story, she forgets everything.
And I`ve been analyzing it overnight, and really line by line. For instance, everything she said was aimed at tailoring her story to the forensic evidence. In fact, she said she did just that when she was talking to Detective Flores. But when she said that Travis Alexander got down like a linebacker and came at her, clearly, that was to explain the fact that the bullet went from up to down. That would put him beneath her.
The only problem with her doing that, Jean, is that at that close range, shooting at that close range, there would have been stippling or gunshot residue on his face at the entry wound. The trajectory path went up, down, and the bullet lodged right here in his left cheek. So everything she says is aimed to respond to the forensic evidence.
But I found it very interesting, her demeanor changed, the she-devil showed itself on cross-examination. Describe what happened, Jean.
CASAREZ: Well, let`s put it this way. On the direct examination, when there would be an objection by the prosecution, she would say, I apologize. I apologize. Her defense attorney would even have to say, You don`t have to apologize, Jodi.
Today, she was strong, tough, confident, and even had a smile on her face as she tried to take control of the prosecutor.
GRACE: OK. Let`s go back in the courtroom, Liz. Everybody, take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s a picture of your left hand, isn`t it?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that shows your ring finger, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember that you testified that on January 22nd of 2008, you and Mr. Alexander were involved in some sort of violent encounter? Do you remember telling us about that?
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GRACE: That was the photo he showed her.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... encounter, he threw you down, do you remember that?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And while you were down, that he kicked you, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when he kicked you, ma`am one of the things that happened was that you put up your left hand. Do you remember telling us that?
ARIAS: Yes, both hands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you told us specifically about your left hand, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you went to put up your left hand, according to you, he kicked you, and he damaged your ring finger on the left hand, correct?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, you even held it up for us, didn`t you.
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was crooked when you showed it to us, wasn`t it.
ARIAS: It`s bent, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s bent. Show us how bent it is again, ma`am -- higher, so we can see it sideways.
Ma`am, if he caused that damage on January 22nd of 2008, that would have been before this picture that we have here, which is exhibit number 453. It would have been about five months before that, right?
ARIAS: It was before that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five months, right?
ARIAS: Four.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four months, then, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you!
ARIAS: My finger is bent there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying that your finger is bent there.
ARIAS: Yes, just...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold up your finger again. Sideways, so we can also see it.
ARIAS: My fingers are straightened. This one stays back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s what it looks like, your finger, and you`re saying that happened on January 22nd, 2008, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the other things involving this particular finger, it seems to have had its run, if you will, of bad things happen to it, right?
ARIAS: This finger?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, the left ring finger.
ARIAS: I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you talked to Ryan Burns (ph) about it, didn`t you?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you told him that that finger, the left ring finger, had been damaged, right, injured, didn`t you?
ARIAS: I don`t know if it was the left.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t remember telling him it was the left ring finger, ma`am?
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you met him, you guys decided to go somewhere to a restaurant for some sort of business meeting, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And during that time, didn`t you have a bandage on your finger?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was your left finger, wasn`t it?
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was your right finger, then, right? Is that what you`re saying, it was your right finger?
ARIAS: It was two right fingers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it was your right finger, then, right? Ma`am, are you sure that it was your right finger?
ARIAS: It was two.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pardon?
ARIAS: Two right fingers.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the time that you and she are alone in the afternoon, did you notice her hands?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you notice whether or not she had any injuries or cuts to one of her hands?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had two small bandages, it seems like, on one of her fingers, a couple of her fingers. She told me she worked at Margaritaville and she had cut her finger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how did she cut her finger at Margaritaville?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think she told me she broke a glass and cut her finger.
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GRACE: Back to you, Jean Casarez. The whole issue of the finger does not prove guilt or innocence, but what it does do, it in a very demonstrable way shows that she is lying. And if she is lying about that beating by Travis Alexander that she told the jury about, then there is actually a jury charge that says if you catch the defendant in a lie, or anyone in a lie, be it great or small, you are entitled, jury, to throw out parts or the entirety of that witness`s testimony.
So this is making her out in a very demonstrable way in front of the jury to be a liar.
CASAREZ: Right. And that January 22nd domestic violence incident that she has testified to was very, very volatile when she says she broke her finger.
GRACE: You know...
CASAREZ: So then you don`t have to believe any of the domestic violence.
GRACE: Exactly. Now, you know, even when the prosecutor was showing her the picture and her hand was fine, she still kept saying, It`s bent, It`s bent. It`s broken. He`s saying, No, it`s not. Look at it! And the jury could see it, too. They could see, and she would not give in.
Liz, do you have that sound ready that we`re talking about? What I want to hear, Liz, is the confrontation she had with the prosecution when she said, "men like you." That`s what I`m talking about. I want to hear that. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander. Yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And you`ve also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?
ARIAS: It depends on the type of memory issue.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say that you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right?
ARIAS: That`s right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And give me the factors. I don`t want to know about a specific circumstance. What factors influence your having a memory problem?
ARIAS: Usually, when men like you are screaming at me or grilling me, or someone like Travis doing the same.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that affects your memory problems, right?
ARIAS: It does. It makes my brain scramble.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying that it`s -- the -- basically, what you`re saying is it`s Mr. Martinez`s fault that you can`t remember things that are going on.
ARIAS: It`s not your fault.
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GRACE: And then, Liz, pull up for me the video where you caught her, caught on camera, laughing, laughing at the prosecution. There you go. And it actually goes on where she is basically laughing into her hand.
Back to you, Jean, you and Bonnie camped outside the courthouse. How did the jury respond?
CASAREZ: I was in the courtroom for that, Nancy, and it was just a stunning moment of silence. The jury is stoic. But she was comparing the wrath of Travis to the wrath of the prosecutor.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Dwayne Cates at the courthouse, Phoenix, Carmen St. George, veteran defense attorney joining me out of New York. All right, Dwayne Cates, I don`t think that looked good in front of the jury for her.
DWAYNE CATES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it did. I think the defense had a great day, Nancy. I mean, she basically shut Juan Martinez up when she said, I can`t remember because guys like you are screaming at me. When they came back from a sidebar with the judge, Juan Martinez`s voice and demeanor changed 100 percent.
GRACE: I could not disagree more. Just because -- well, what she -- she gets all stressed out when what, she`s confronted with the truth, when she hears the truth? Carmen St. George, she nuts up and can`t focus? That`s what she`s basically saying.
CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, Nancy, she`s explaining that when she`s confronted with aggressive people, as the prosecutor is acting towards her...
GRACE: Whoa!
ST. GEORGE: ... or as Travis acted towards...
GRACE: Carmen!
ST. GEORGE: She`s comparing.
GRACE: She`s the one that slashed his neck.
ST. GEORGE: The prosecution has to prove that.
GRACE: She`s the aggressive one.
ST. GEORGE: Yes.
GRACE: And now when she`s confronted with the truth, she suddenly gets stressed and she can`t remember? I`m not buying it. I don`t care what songbook you two are singing from right now, I`m not buying into it!
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GRACE: Welcome back. What a day in the courtroom today. Straight out to you, Bonnie Druker, standing by at the courthouse, as well. What did you make of her testimony? Be honest.
BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. I thought she was in major bitch mode. I wrote some things down here. She was defensive. She was aloof. She`s wearing a business jacket. She was sarcastic. And she was cocky.
GRACE: How is the jury responding?
DRUKER: The jury is watching her non-stop. I did not see the jury taking a lot of notes today. They were looking at Juan Martinez and looking at her, looking at Juan Martinez, looking at her. I mean, everyone is riveted on this.
Juan Martinez came out there with a bang today. He didn`t even say good morning to her or hello. He just started with the testimony.
GRACE: Well, Bonnie Druker, in your youth, I`m sure you don`t understand, but Bonnie, dear, this ain`t no tea party, all right? This is a death penalty homicide trial. This is not the time for good morning. No, good morning. How are you? No, how are you? Forget it!
You know, I want to go back out to you, Jean Casarez. Explain to me how the prosecution tripped her up on the whole day that she claims she catches Travis Alexander masturbating to images of little boys.
CASAREZ: Nancy, it`s called a personal journal, a diary, something she wrote every day, almost every day of her life. The prosecution got that, and they`re using it to impeach her testimony.
And today they focused on January 21st, 2008, when he she says that she saw Travis with pictures of little boys. She writes nothing in her journal. The 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 24th, she says nothing`s going on.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you demonstrated to Detective Flores that left ring finger, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you told him that this woman, during this attack on June 4th of 2008, cut you right there, didn`t you.
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you showed him, and the finger, if we look at it there, had the same aspect or had the same angle to it that your finger does now, doesn`t it.
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, the injury to your finger happened on June 4th, 2008, not January 22nd of 2008, did it.
ARIAS: That`s not correct.
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GRACE: I want to go back to you, Jean Casarez, because I feel that this is extremely important. How did the prosecution attack her on her claim Travis was a pedophile?
CASAREZ: They suddenly bring out a personal journal in her own handwriting. January 20th, 2008, there is an entry. But there`s no entry for the 21st, 22nd, 23rd and the 24th. She says, I haven`t written because there`s nothing noteworthy to report.
Well, it`s January 21st, 2008, that she says she walked in and saw Travis with pictures of little boys as he was pleasuring himself. The 22nd of January, she says they got in a huge fight and he broke her finger. But nothing is written about that of a journal that she says nobody read.
GRACE: And as a matter of fact -- out to you, lawyers, Dwayne Cates and Carmen St. George -- she actually -- it`s not that she just doesn`t write for a few days. She actually comes in and says, Well, the reason I haven`t written lately is because nothing of note has been happening in my life. Hello?
ST. GEORGE: That`s not inconsistent, Nancy.
GRACE: If I caught the love of my life masturbating to pictures of little boys, we had a huge fight and he broke my finger...
ST. GEORGE: She said...
GRACE: ... I guess I`d put it in my journal.
ST. GEORGE: She has said she did not want to mention that until it came up now at trial because she did not want to take his -- his -- who he was or talk about him. So it`s consistent that she would not have written about that in her journal.
GRACE: In fact, Dwayne Cates, it only came up when she was preparing for her defense in a death penalty murder trial. That`s when she came up with the pedophilia claim, is it not?
CATES: That`s correct. But you know, absence of evidence isn`t evidence. The fact that she didn`t write in her journal doesn`t mean it didn`t happen.
GRACE: Well, you know what?
CATES: I have investigators all the time say just because there`s no fingerprints doesn`t mean that he didn`t touch the gun. Just because there`s nothing...
GRACE: Yes, that`s apples, this is...
CATES: ... in the journal doesn`t mean that it didn`t happen.
GRACE: ... an orange. But you know what? I`ve gone to the wrong guests. The three of us are just lawyers. Let`s go to a shrink. Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author with us. Weigh in, Bethany.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Nancy, what we are seeing is a true sociopath. When we talk about the sociopath being glib, superficially charming, conning, manipulative, not having remorse -- this is her. Sociopaths are never tongue-tied. And the reason they`re not tongue-tied is they have freed themselves from social convention, like, I`m feeling ashamed or embarrassed.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "But I love Travis Victor Alexander so completely that I don`t know any other way to be."
You were in love with him, and you didn`t want to let him go!
ARIAS: That`s not right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You started to peep into the house, didn`t you.
ARIAS: Yes, I did not knock. I know I did not. I went around the back to get in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see Mr. Alexander inside that house? Yes or no.
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And inside that house, there was a female, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You saw enough to know that they were kissing, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You decided to go talk to Mr. Alexander about it, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why? Weren`t you broken up?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were free to date and so was he, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were being territorial about him, weren`t you.
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You felt that you deserved an explanation, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ended up with somebody by the name of Ryan Burns (ph), right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you ended up in his bed, right?
ARIAS: I think it was a love sack.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that was OK, right?
ARIAS: I`m single.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it`s OK for you, then it should be OK for him, right?
ARIAS: It was OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then why did you confront him the next day, if it was OK?
ARIAS: Because he was still courting me. I wanted to know where I stood.
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NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Man, she seems to have an answer for every question.
Welcome back, everybody. Finally, the cross-examination begins. And it started with a bang. The prosecution starts off antagonistic toward Jodi Arias and it doesn`t let up. He ends the day just before they`re getting to the murder. So she`s going to hang all weekend anticipating the cross- examination on the murder itself. The story quite fantastical.
We are taking your calls. Out to Susan in Florida. Hi, Susan. What`s your question?
SUSAN, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call.
GRACE: Thank you.
SUSAN: My question is -- I have a comment and a question.
GRACE: OK.
SUSAN: My comment is I`m sure Mr. Martinez knows what kind of person he`s dealing with, and I`m thinking that maybe he`s just trying to see what kind of parameters he can have in order to trip her up in her lying which are very obvious to all of us.
But I do have a question. If he can demonstrate that she`s told lie upon lie upon lie upon lie upon lie, like we all can see, can they totally take her testimony out of the court record and the jury can`t use it to determine whether she gets life or death?
GRACE: Well, they can`t throw out her testimony. What they can do, what the judge can do is say, it -- there has been brought in evidence, it`s called impeachment, impeachment evidence, to show that a witness was not truthful on the stand. If you, the jury, find that that witness was not telling the truth on the stand in whole or in part, you have the option of throwing out that portion or the testimony in its entirety.
That will be a question for the jury alone. The prosecution cannot have her testimony thrown out of court.
To Janet, hi, Janet, what`s your question?
JANET, CALLER: Hi, Nancy. You`re fantabulous.
GRACE: Thank you.
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JANET: I have two comments and one question.
GRACE: OK, love.
JANET: OK. With the finger being broken, so to speak, I`m double jointed in my hands and I can put my finger out like that easily. That`s my first thing. And the second thing comment I have is when she was saying oh, I get nervous and all that kind of thing so I tend to forget, when the police were investigating her and interrogating her, they were putting all kinds of stress on her. And she never flint, saying the ninjas did it, this that and the other thing.
GRACE: You know what, that`s a very good observation.
Patti Wood, body language expert, joining us.
Patti, she didn`t seem to have any of these problems when she was dealing with the investigators or with all of the media when she was telling her many, many stories. She never had a real memory problem until she gets to the point of the murder itself.
PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Exactly. She had a memory for minutia and then when it comes to the murder and anytime she`s asked and has that memory issue, notice how her body language, she retreats back, there`s a long silence. She says, I lied, I didn`t lie. I -- it`s absolutely amazing when she`s caught in that lie, her body language retreats.
GRACE: I was watching that. I didn`t know what it meant. But now that you say it, I understand it.
To you, Matt Zarrell, also on the story. Many, many inconsistencies on the stand.
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Yes, Nancy. I don`t even know where to start. I mean, we heard earlier that Arias testified on direct that she never talked to her parents about her relationship with Travis but yet she describes to the prosecutor on cross how she called her parents, that she was very upset when she caught Travis kissing another woman.
Also, she contradicted herself about whether she thought her own braids were hot and the prosecutor played back her own tape on the phone sex tape where she admitted that she thought her wearing the braids was hot because Travis liked it.
Also, she says she doesn`t think fabricating a text message to Travis is a lie and then later admits it actually was a lie. That is just one of the many inconsistencies she`s given.
GRACE: And also joining me right now, everybody, I`m hearing in my ear, Beth Karas. She and Jean, Bonnie, in and out of the courtroom all day long, all of us bringing you the latest and taking your calls.
Beth, describe what you witnessed in court.
BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: You know, Nancy, by the end of the day, jurors had kind of put their pens down or were really focused on the exchange between Martinez and Jodi Arias. You know what cross- examinations are like, right? They`re hard to take notes on because they don`t go in a chronological linear fashion. He is jumping around. He has the points he wants to make, he`s going in, making a point, then moving on to something else.
But probably the most riveting part of the afternoon was when he presented her with two magazines she was passing to get a message to someone. It appears it may have been an ex-boyfriend she was trying to get a message to who was about to be interviewed by the prosecutors just before a hearing in 2011, and these messages were written in pencil and little letters on the margins of random pages, and in a -- in one magazine -- and in a separate magazine, there`s one page where she writes in the proper order the page numbers in which to read the message.
So Martinez then put the message in order and had her read it. And she`s basically, you know, saying before you testify you got to come down and see me. You can`t -- don`t contradict or what you said contradicts what I have told my attorney so she was getting a message out of the jail cryptically and that point is still being developed. When court picks up Monday morning, I think we`ll hear more about it.
GRACE: Beth, Beth, explain that to us again. This is Jodi Arias sending messages, cryptic messages. They`re really hard to decipher but the prosecution has deciphered them. She`s writing them not in a normal linear fashion, but she`s writing these messages for a former boyfriend to read.
Now how did she pass them to the boyfriend, and what does she want the boyfriend to do?
KARAS: Well, it appeared that it`s too Matt McCartney. But again that point is still being developed and she was passing them to another visitor named Anne Campbell. Anne was coming to see her and she -- she gave the two magazines to the guard who had to look through them and make sure they were OK, there`s nothing wrong with them, and then hand them to Ann Campbell. But they were intercepted by the jail.
Now the messages were anywhere from like five to 10 words per page on random pages in the magazine. Written in the margin. So if you`re reading left to right, now you turn the magazine so you`re reading in the margin up and down, the vertical. Shows she wrote the message in a vertical way in pencil. That`s consistent with someone at the jail because they don`t have pens at the jail.
And so there`s something on, you know, like, page 54, there`s something on page 40. And they don`t -- they`re not in order. In a separate magazine, a "Star" magazine, she writes on one page little numbers on the bottom, that correspond to the page numbers where the messages were. And that is the order in which the message is to be read. So because if you read them in the order they found them on the random pages, it didn`t make sense. It was all jumbled.
When you read them in order of her instruction, read page 43, then read page 54 and then go back to 30 or whatever, then it made perfect sense. She was sending a message that this is how -- basically you have to testify. You need to come and see me as soon as possible.
GRACE: And to you, Jean Casarez, how was the ex-boyfriend`s testimony different to as she says what I`ve been telling them for the past year?
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You know, I think that can go either way. I think what is terrible for her is the writing of the messages on various pages and sneaking those magazines out for him to get the message. That`s what`s bad.
GRACE: Yes, you know what? It is.
Everybody, I want to know what you think. We`re following this trial. We want you, all the legal eagles across the country, to send investigative tips on the case at hlnTV.com/Nancygrace. Go down to the "Get to Know Us" box and give us your insights. What are you catching Arias trip up on?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: According to you, that`s when you saw Mr. Alexander engaged in this masturbatory activity, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And according do you, there were multiple photographs, but you saw one of them in particular, correct?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you then left, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you left in your car, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you went home and started driving around, right?
ARIAS: Went home, threw up, cried, then drove around.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure. You did all these kinds of things that afternoon, right?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your car, right?
ARIAS: I didn`t throw up in my car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?
ARIAS: I didn`t throw up in my car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. No, you drove off in your car, correct?
ARIAS: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, isn`t that problematic since you were driving Mr. Alexander`s car?
ARIAS: I wasn`t driving his car yet. We were supposed to swap cars.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, he didn`t have a car that day, right?
ARIAS: We were switching --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, did he have -- my question is --
ARIAS: He did have a car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn`t it true he did not have a car that day?
ARIAS: No, he had a car.
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GRACE: Beth Karas, explain where the prosecution is going with this. I thought it was brilliant.
KARAS: Well, this was the day that she claimed on direct examination that she found Travis Alexander masturbating to pictures of boys. And she now knew his dirty little secret and the domestic violence, violence against her physical attack increased after that. So this is a pivotal moment in her defense.
What Juan Martinez spent a lot of today doing is dismantling the pedophilia allegation and the broken finger the next day. The most -- the biggest physical attack the next day. And so he really attacked both -- they are both made up, that her finger wasn`t even broken in May let alone in January is what he`s trying to show and also that they were acting absolutely normally. The afternoon of the day she caught him in the act, meaning that she didn`t catch him.
I mean, it`s all a lie, or they wouldn`t have been acting the way they did.
GRACE: Exactly.
KARAS: They wouldn`t have had this innocuous conversation and text messages.
GRACE: And also, Jean, in addition to that, she says she catches him doing this, storms out, hops in her car and drives away in a fog, much like she did after she murdered him and she only came to out in the desert somewhere, but these text messages show her car wasn`t working for some reason. She had to borrow a car, right?
CASAREZ: That`s one aspect or trade cars, yes, but there`s another aspect. Phone records. She says that he called her three to four times after that, or the phone records are going to reflect that and also she went over there in the afternoon, but yet these text messages start in the afternoon so that contradicts, too.
Many things contradict. The personal diary, the text messages to her testimony.
GRACE: Well, she -- whose car did she borrow?
CASAREZ: It was like she was trading cars with him.
GRACE: Well, that does not go with her story.
CASAREZ: The word was trading cars.
GRACE: It doesn`t go with her story. I`m hearing in my ear, joining me right now --
CASAREZ: And she went home and threw up?
GRACE: Yes. But the whole thing about jumping in her car and riding away and not having any recollection of what`s happening.
With me right now Paul O`Keefe who hired Arias to model a clothing line for him.
Mr. O`Keefe, thank you for being with us. What was your impression of Jodi Arias?
PAUL O`KEEFE, HIRED ARIAS TO MODEL FOR CLOTHING LINE: You`re welcome, Nancy. My impression of Jodi at first was a very bubbly smart individual that, you know, was kind of bright and fun to be around and then after hanging out with her for a little bit, she seemed more aloof, you know, as our business kind of went on together.
GRACE: And when you say more aloof, what do you mean by that?
O`KEEFE: Well, you know what? When we first talked about hiring her to model for our clothing line at a trade show and do some print work, she was really excited about the clothing line. She seemed like someone that was going to help us, you know, push our line. And then when we got to the actual trade, trade show which happened to be an air show at Nellis Air Force Base, she was more aloof.
She`d work hard and you know the beginning of the day and then she wanted to go take photographs and things for herself the rest of the day instead of really working up to our standard.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And again, is this issue with your lack of memory because of the questions the way they`re being posed?
ARIAS: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does it have to do with the volume of the person asking you the questions?
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GRACE: Let the cross examination begin. And so it did with a bang.
With me, Paul O`Keefe, who hired Arias to model his clothing line. Did she ever discuss her love life with you?
O`KEEFE: No, she discussed having a relationship with a gentleman that I think she worked for a little bit, and she said that it was kind of rocky and off and on again. I don`t remember her ever naming anyone, but I do remember her talking about it in several conversations, yes.
GRACE: Did she ever mention abuse?
O`KEEFE: You know what, I don`t know if she ever mentioned abuse. She just said that the relationship was, you know, taking its toll on her and, you know, she was not being treated right or something to that effect.
GRACE: Hmm. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers."
Dr. Bethany, it`s amazing to me how this whole thing has gotten just completely bassackwards. Because she is the one that is stalking him, chasing him, slashing his tires with a knife twice, slashing his new girlfriend`s tires, following him on dates with other women, peeking into his house, coming into his house when he`s on dates with somebody else, hacking into his bank account and his e-mail account.
If the -- if the roles were reversed and the man was doing all that, this would be open and shut.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Oh, if it was a man who was the perpetrator, we wouldn`t even be -- be talking in this way. But, Nancy, you have to remember a true sociopath feels like a superior human being. So Jodi feels superior to the prosecutor, that`s why she`s so smug and arrogant and so deceptive. But if you have any questions as to how that day went down when she killed Alexander, she was smug and arrogant with him. She felt she owned him. She possessed him. And his fatal mistake was when he planned a trip with another woman.
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GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Specialist Brian "Bucky" Anderson, 24, Harrisonburg, Virginia. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Achievement medal, parents Kenny and Margaret. Brother Andy, sister Jenny.
Brian "Bucky" Anderson. American hero.
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GRACE: Welcome back. We are taking your calls.
Out to Trista, Ohio. Hi, dear, what`s your question?
TRISTA, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. I had a statement on a question that was asked by her attorney regarding why she didn`t call 911?
GRACE: Yes. Uh-huh.
TRISTA: And she said that she was too ashamed and she didn`t want to tell him what that she just did. I`m just saying like she should have known -- well, she knows what she did, you know what I mean? Like she`s trying to say I don`t remember at the same time.
GRACE: You know, that is the point. That is a good point.
Let me talk to Carmen St. George about that, defense attorney joining me out of New York, and P.S., congratulations on your -- on your husband getting appointed managing judge. That`s great, Carmen.
CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Now, I don`t know what effect this could have on your children, hearing all this lawyer talk day in, day out, but that`s a whole another can of worms.
So, did you catch what the viewer just said? Because I hadn`t thought of that. She said she didn`t call 911 because she was so embarrassed about what she had just done, but she just told the jury she couldn`t remember what she had just done.
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ST. GEORGE: Nancy, look, at some point --
GRACE: Whoops.
ST. GEORGE: The jury -- one juror has to believe that there is a hole in this story, and she will be acquitted. I mean, she`s just trying to convince somebody that she was afraid. This is not -- I got to tell you, this isn`t Farah Fawcett in "The Burning Bed." We don`t have enough evidence of that. But she is showing that she was afraid of Travis Alexander, and that`s all she needs to prove.
GRACE: Did you catch that? Out to you, Bethany Marshall. She was too embarrassed and ashamed over what she had just done to Travis Alexander, but she told the jury she didn`t -- she couldn`t remember what she just did.
MARSHALL: Nancy, I caught that. She`s just malingering. Criminals always do that. Malingering amnesia. That`s when you fake that you can`t remember something so that you can get out of a crime, of the sentence.
GRACE: Everyone, on a happy note as we go to break, congratulations to Atlanta and Orlando, friends, Kyle and Shalonda. They are engaged. He proposed February 15th.
Everyone, "DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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