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Pope Benedict XVI Last Day; Pope Leaves Vatican Next Hour; Bob Woodward Versus White House; Interview with Cardinal Timothy Dolan; Dow Hovering Near Record High; An American Pope?

Aired February 28, 2013 - 10:00   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: It has been almost 600 years since someone other than God knew exactly when a papacy would end, but right now exactly four hours remain in the reign of Benedict XVI as leader of the Roman Catholic Church. This hour is when he's going to board a helicopter and leave the Vatican as pope for the very last time.

ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: The pomp and circumstance so many around the world want to watch and be a part of. Welcome to our viewers around the world and here in the United States. This is CNN's special live coverage of the pope's transition to pontiff emeritus, which will be one of the titles, of course, Chris, that he's going to carry when he goes into retirement. I'm Erin Burnett in New York.

CUOMO: And I'm Chris Cuomo, here next to Erin. Happy to be so, by the way, so we're waiting on this moment, less than an hour away. He will come out, there will be people waiting and waving, a lot of mixed emotions.

He'll get on the helicopter bound for Castel Gandolfo, sounds beautiful. It should, right, because that is the papal retreat south of Rome, the summer residence. There will be thousands of town folks there, the faithful, waiting for him. Remember that will be the last time they see Pope Benedict in public as pope.

BURNETT: Earlier today he said a poignant farewell to his cardinals. They have gathered to choose the successor, of course, in Rome. He thanked him, blessed them and assured them that he is also going to be submitting to the pontiff.

One thing interesting, Chris, a lot of them were using modern social media and tweeting about what he told them in their brief interaction with him, which sort of adds a whole new and fascinating layer to all of this.

CUOMO: It's very interesting, so much social media being used and yet we will wait for smoke out of a chimney to see when the next pope has been elected. Again, four hours. That's when Pope Benedict's papacy will visibly come to an end.

That is the time he picked, Pope Benedict. That is the end of business as usual for him, 8:00 local time in Italy. That's when the Swiss Guard members, we all know them from their decorative costumes, they will leave their post at Castel Gandolfo, return to Vatican City.

That will be the outward sign that the papacy has ended because their role as his protectors will be on hold for the new pope.

BURNETT: It's one of those amazing things, going to the Vatican when you have that memory. Whatever your religion may be, it is a spiritual and awesome experience truly in its size and the Swiss Guard is a big part of that.

CUOMO: Absolutely. They're an outward sign of it, but this is unique. It's so rare for us, especially with the Catholic Church and its pageantry and mystery to be dealing with anything new. There are no Latin expressions for this that we have to refer to all the time because they have their processes in place.

What it's going to be. When will we ever see this man again? How will people regard the transition? Will this conclave that picks the next pope be longer than usual because of this or shorter? We just don't know.

BURNETT: And of course, you talk about new things. I believe the youngest person -- who knows who's going to be the next pope, but the youngest person they're talking about is 55 years old.

CUOMO: That's right. And that's young because the expectation was once you're pope. You're pope until you die.

BURNETT: That's right.

CUOMO: But maybe now that's changed. We keep referring that only God knows. Well, they believe in the selection of the pope that God already knows who the next pope is and the job for the cardinals is to figure out --

BURNETT: The divine intentions.

CUOMO: That's tough to do.

BURNETT: In just a moment we'll go live to Rome. We're going to be talking to Cardinal Timothy Dolan. Of course, if you're watching in the United States, he is probably the Catholic that you know, the household name. He's the archbishop of New York, one of the men who's going to be voting for the next pope.

First, though, I want to go through some of the other big news happening at this hour. We're going to have special coverage throughout the morning on the Vatican, but first, a veteran reporter Bob Woodward says a White House official threatened him over his reporting on the upcoming forced budget cuts.

Now we now know who that who is from the White House. It was Gene Sperling. I can tell you from personal experience. He loves to spar, he loves to fight. That's what I love about Gene. He's a top Obama economic aide. Now, listen to what Woodward said that a White House official actually said to him.

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BOB WOODWARD, "WASHINGTON POST": -- some people kind of, you know, said, look, we don't see eye to eye on this. They never really said, though, afterwards they have said that this is factually wrong and it was said to me in an e-mail --

WOLF BLITZER, HOST, CNN'S "THE SITUATION ROOM": What was said?

WOODWARD: It was said very clearly you will regret doing this.

BLITZER: Who sent that e-mail to you?

WOODWARD: Well, I'm not going to say.

BLITZER: Was it a senior person at the White House?

WOODWARD: A very senior person.

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BURNETT: All right, let's go straight to Brianna Keilar at the White House. Brianna, so how has the White House responded? This has blown up probably in a way that they never intended.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: They didn't intend it, Erin, and they certainly didn't want to get into this fight with Bob Woodward, but they think that he's flat-out wrong and the White House feels that Woodward misinterpreted this e-mail.

Not that he will -- the sense that he will regret it in the sense that he would pay for what he said in this op-ed, but the fact the White House, one official saying that he will regret it is what Sperling meant because he was wrong. That's what the White House feels.

A statement coming from a White House official saying that Woodward actually responded to this e-mail from, as we now know, Sperling in a friendly manner and that, quote, "Of course, no threat was intended as Mr. Woodward noted.

The e-mail from the aide was sent to apologize for voices being raised in their previous conversation. The note suggested that Mr. Woodward would regret the observation he made regarding "The Sequester" because that observation was inaccurate, nothing more" -- Erin.

BURNETT: Let me ask you, because this of course goes to social media. David Plouff, former senior adviser to President Obama took to Twitter and wrote something that was maybe a little bit over the line talking about this.

He said watching Woodward the past two days is like imagining my idol, Mike Schmidt, facing live pitching again. Perfection gained once is rarely repeated. That's a pretty aggressive thing to say.

KEILAR: It is. And Plouff has departed the White House recently, but obviously still a very close confidant to President Obama. But I think what this speaks to is obviously this is somewhat of an issue for the White House because they're going sort of head-to-head with this person who is an icon of journalism. But it just goes to show you that they really think, Erin, that he is wrong, that he is incorrect. That in this op-ed where he talked about the president moving the goal posts on how to deal with these forced spending cuts.

Because Woodward did say that the president had changed his mind, done a flip-flop, that "The Sequester" was never supposed to include increased tax revenue to offset it, it was just supposed to be spending cuts.

And they believe that when you look back at the sequester, these forced spending cuts that were put in place, that it was supposed to be part of a bigger deficit reduction package, which would have included increased revenue so they feel like he's flat-out wrong and taking him on it.

BURNETT: All right, Brianna, thank you very much.

Well, the U.S. plans to give another $60 million in aid to the Syrian rebels. Secretary of State John Kerry says the plan includes food and medical supplies to help the rebels overthrow the regime of Bashar Al Assad.

Kerry has been meeting in Rome, building support with European nations and what's different though about this aid is that it's going to directly to rebel groups, which have been hugely controversial.

The U.S. has already given hundreds of millions of dollars to help the Syrian opposition as humanitarian aid so obviously that could be a big thing. Marco Rubio said he wanted to provide ammunition to the rebels.

CUOMO: Well, it's problem. Forget about their intentions are. When you give money directly to rebels, does it actually get to the people who need it the most? So we're going to be watching that story.

Also watch another big story in the financial world this morning. The Dow Jones Industrial average is flirting with a record high after rallying for the last two days. The all-time high is 14,164. That was set on October 9th, 2007.

So let's take a look at the big board right now and see how close we are. Where are we with that right now, 14,076.56, the Dow obviously up, you can see that for yourself.

Now analysts say the jump earlier in the week was due to confidence in the housing market. Complicated situation, though, right, Erin, because you had what happened in Italy brought in lack of confidence, the market tanked.

What does this mean going forward, the new government, but you know how it is on the street. The latest bit of information is always the most important.

BURNETT: And I have to say I hate to be a negative nellie here and maybe me saying this is going to make it less wrong, but where we are right now, another 150, 160 points a long way to go.

CUOMO: I've got e-trade up right now on the laptop. You can't say neutral? All right, so let's take a look right now. Obviously the big story this morning will be what happens with Pope Benedict XVI. This is his farewell. This is the last time we'll see him.

It's completely uncharted waters unless you count back 600 years. Now, one of the high points for us as Americans will be that there for us is Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York. He is, some would say, certainly at the top of the leadership of Catholics in America.

Could he be pope? For us it sounds so great. Obviously, he himself says, "I'm a huge long shot" and he said it in really colorful ways. Now, CNN's Christiane Amanpour is in Rome. Cardinal Dolan is her special guest this morning, a real treat for us. Hi, Christiane. How are you?

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris, great to be with you all here at the North American College in Rome. This is a seminary. As you say, we are very fortunate to have Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York as our guest.

You know, this is going to be, I think, the last time that you're going to be able to talk in public. No tweeting, no interviewing during the run-up to the conclave that will elect the next pope. Welcome.

CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK: Do you say that with a sense of relief?

AMANPOUR: No, I say it with a sense of great regret.

DOLAN: It's good to be with you. I appreciate the invitation. Thanks for your interest in all these events.

AMANPOUR: We are very interested and you know, the whole world is interested in what transpires here because a pope is not just the head of the 1.2 billion Catholics, but whatever he says and does affects Catholics and non-Catholics.

Let me ask you first, we showed for the world the meeting of the cardinals with the pope today. You were amongst them, obviously. You were able to get some last-minute face time with this pope. What was it like for you? What did you say to him?

DOLAN: It was very touching. And I don't mind admitting that it was kind of sombre, it was kind of sad. I love him. We call him our holy father. I'll miss him and it dawned on me today that that's the last time I'll see him as the pope.

This morning, Christiane, like every other priest in the world when I offered mass and its tradition is during the mass, the most important prayer of the mass you say for Benedict our pope and I stopped because I thought that's the last time I'll say that.

So there was a touch of sadness there. He was -- first of all, I would tell you that seeing him yesterday at the audience, you were there, and seeing him today, it dawned on me how fragile he is. I was privileged to be with him for almost a month in October during the Synad of bishops.

And I could see that he had aged a bit, but he still seemed to be very strong, very alert, very supply. But yesterday and again today I saw that he was very, very frail. He didn't speak long. It was kind of a fraternal, informal meeting, the College of Cardinals and himself.

He only spoke for maybe 6 or 7 minutes. I was extraordinarily moved, Christiane, when he said, now you think about this, I don't know why I was surprised, but when he said I look forward to giving my allegiance and my complete obedience to my successor.

AMANPOUR: I was going to ask you about that because he looked out and one of you perhaps will be the next pope.

DOLAN: And I thought, my, now he will have a pope. He will have a holy father and that was very moving to me to know that the life of the church goes on. Jesus provides for his church. There will be a new occupant in the chair of Peter.

When I went up, Christiane, you were kind enough to ask about the personal meeting. And I went up and, first of all, I started to introduce myself and he said, I know who you are and he called me by name.

I like that when the boss knows your name. And I said Holy Father, can I just tell you I love you very much and I thank you. And I'm praying with you and for you and I speak on behalf of all the people of the archdiocese of New York. And he said to me I thank you. He said I remember my visit to New York.

AMANPOUR: That's wonderful.

DOLAN: So it was very moving, Christiane.

AMANPOUR: That is wonderful. Of course, I need to ask you now in that vein are you going to be the next pope? You are on many people's lists of frontrunners.

DOLAN: Well, I've been on my mom's list for a while. I don't know how many other lists that I've been on, but I don't think so. As you know, you're a pro, that's tough for us to talk about and it's uncomfortable to talk about. I'm flattered that you would even think that, but I don't think that's a possibility.

AMANPOUR: You have used extremely colorful language in fact to play that down. I think you said you might be smoking marijuana or something.

DOLAN: People who said that might be drinking too much or smoking marijuana. They asked me today, they said do you have a chance to follow Pope Benedict, I said I've got a better chance following A-Rod on third base for the Yankees than following Benedict XVI as the bishop of Rome. I mean that. I'm flattered that people think that, but I wouldn't bet the house payment on it.

AMANPOUR: So who do you think might be, and I know you're not going to tell me a name, but what kind of personality do you think the cardinals are thinking of right now at this point in the process?

DOLAN: You're asking the right question because we've got to think about that, that's very realistic. I think there have been three levels here. First of all, we're thinking about Benedict XVI and we're trying to work through some grief.

I use that word intentionally. Some of that resolution is going to settle when we see the helicopter leave, as you're going to cover, and as 8:00 comes tonight Rome time. The chair is empty.

Number two, then we've got to talk about issues. Issues of pastoral challenges that face the church universal and then number three, I'm thinking about myself and what we got on our plate.

Number three, we've got to think about, when I say we I mean me and the College of Cardinals, we've got to think about who. You're asking who. What do you look for, what qualities do you look for? I've never been through this before.

I'm still a rookie for a conclave, so there's no -- there's no rule book or anything. There's no guide book as to what to look for. I say this, Christiane, with all the sincerity I can muster, but knowing that some people will dismiss this as being overly pietistic.

I mean it when you say you look for a man who reminds you of Jesus. Now every Christian is supposed to do that. But in a particularly radiant and personal way, the pope is supposed to remind us of Jesus. We call him the Victor of Christ.

So when we see him, we're immediately elevated to the things beyond, the eternal truth and to the man who described himself as the truth, Jesus Christ. So we need somebody to remind us of Jesus. That's sort of what you might call the supernatural characteristics you look for.

St. Thomas says grace builds our nature. What are the natural characteristics that we're looking for? Well, you need a good pastor. Somebody who's good with people, like Jesus was. You need somebody who is thoroughly versed in the tradition and the profound theology of the -- of our Catholic wisdom.

Number three, you need somebody savvy about the church universal, who kind of is aware and conscious of the diverse needs of the Catholic family. Number four, you need somebody who can get by in at least English, Italian and preferably some other languages too. And number -- where am I.

AMANPOUR: Five, six.

DOLAN: Seven sacraments. You need somebody with some governing capacity, some managerial skills. I would presume those are the qualities we look for. AMANPOUR: Let me ask you if you were pope, you said you won't be, but what would you do the very first day on the throne of St. Peter? What is the big challenge right now for the Catholic Church?

DOLAN: If I were elected pope, I think the first thing is get Christiane in here for an interview.

AMANPOUR: That is good. Yes, please tell the next pope that's exactly what should happen. What would you do? Look, we are in a state of some turmoil, I think it would be fair to say.

DOLAN: Sure it is.

AMANPOUR: American Catholics are fairly divided on which way the church should go. Should it stay in the very conservative traditional mode? Should it be more progressive, more liberal? And then what we have is this sex abuse scandal that has rocked your church, our church, for the last 12 years.

DOLAN: Sure.

AMANPOUR: A Brazilian cardinal said as you all go into the conclave that will be on your minds.

DOLAN: It has to be, sure.

AMANPOUR: So then what does the next pope have to do to finally finish this business that has so damaged the church?

DOLAN: Of all those things?

AMANPOUR: I want to zero in on that one first and then talk about the future.

DOLAN: Sure. The first thing the new pope would have to do is pray and pray hard. Once again I mean that with everything because we're talking about a spiritual role more than a CEO here. We're talking about a pastor. We're talking about a shepherd.

We're talking about the successor of Peter so to pray especially that his own faith will be strong. But secondly, he's got to be very realistic. I would say he would have to trust in a very what I would call robust collegiality. That he's going to have to trust his brother bishops and his cardinals and listen to the wider church.

I don't mean to say the popes that we've had have not done that. I think they have done that to a heroic degree. That's when we listen to God's people, when we listen to the grassroots, we can read the signs of the times as blessed Pope John told us when he called the second Vatican council.

Some of the issues you just mentioned, the turmoil that we see in the church today not new. We've had tension. We've had turmoil in the church since the beginning. All you have to do is look at the Acts of the Apostles. You see sin, you see division, you see tension, you see bickering, you see arguments, you see scandal. We've got it today. It's probably more glaring today because the church is under such intense scrutiny because of what we're going through now, a call to purity, heroic virtue, sanctity, especially when it comes to the terribly nauseating episode of clergy abuse.

We have to remind ourselves that that happened not because of the church's teaching. That happened because church teaching, what's best in the church is not listened to and obeyed. This is a complete denial of everything good and decent, noble and honorable that the church stands for.

We're going to have to work, Christiane, on the renewal of the sacrament of marriage. That's the great vocation crisis today, isn't it? People -- our catholic people aren't getting married. The ones that are, aren't able for some reason to obey what we believe marriage is all about.

AMANPOUR: You talk about marriage and in fact in a few poll done by the Pew Institute, about 58 percent of American Catholics believe that the next pope should start talking about allowing Catholic priests to marry. Do you think that's a possibility?

DOLAN: That he might start talking about it or that it should happen?

AMANPOUR: Should it and would he?

DOLAN: I would say he might talk about it and think about it, but I don't think it's going to happen. I think the past popes have listened and spoken about it and talked about it. So it's not going to be new. It startles me sometimes, they say why won't -- why doesn't church talk about married priests?

I think we talk about it -- I can't get my haircut without my barber asking me about it. I don't think there would be that kind of change. You know this is what's difficult to understand because we, and I include myself in this, usually think of leadership models in an earthly managerial way.

So whenever you have a new leader, whether that be the president of the United States, whether that be the CEO of CNN, what are they talking about, what changes do I want to make? For a pope, the mission statement is to conserve in the best sense of the word.

His job description is to conserve, to preserve the patrimony of the church, I mean, the spiritual patrimony of the church, the timeless teaching that's taught to us from Jesus to his apostles through 2,000 years of the church. Now, that doesn't mean that he might not change the way it's presented.

That's always a call. Remember the great image the blessed Pope John used. He said the content of the church's teaching remains timeless. The way it's packaged, the way it's presented, the way it's opened, that can change.

So a new pope might say, what do we need to emphasize more? What perhaps more effective preaching can we do in this issue? But to tamper with the teachings of the church, he wouldn't see that as his role. He would see it as his sacred responsibility to preserve that.

AMANPOUR: What do you think -- and again this is all part of how Catholics view their hierarchy now. I mean, Catholics are expected to, and they are preached to by bishops, priests, cardinals, the pope, to live a very, you know, life according to the rules of the Catholic Church. And yet Catholics have watched many of their priests, and we touched on this briefly, violate those rules.

DOLAN: Yes.

AMANPOUR: What does have to happen in this church to bring Catholics back to being able to respect their premise?

DOLAN: There has got to be a recovery and a renewal of purity, holiness and virtue in the life of the church. I don't think that's unique to this age. That's been the challenge from the beginning. That's what St. Paul preached. That's what the apostles preached in the first decades of the church. So that's a constant invitation of the church. I think we need to steroid it today.

AMANPOUR: Fast track it. A lot of unfinished business would you say?

DOLAN: You know what Pope Paul VI said, he died in '78. He said modern men and women learn much more by witness than by words. So he said what you just said. That very often the way we do things, the way we live has more of an impact than what we're saying.

And if what we say doesn't gel with how we're living, it's counterproductive. That's what's so tragic when you have leaders, when you have shepherds, even when you have ordinary Catholics on the street who aren't living up to what they profess on Sundays, that causes scandal up and down the block, right?

AMANPOUR: You know, 63 percent or so of American Catholics look at this sex abuse scandal in the priesthood and they say that Pope Benedict XVI, although he instituted zero tolerance, he met with abuse victims, he apologized, did only a poor to fair job of dealing with it.

And I want to ask you yourself, because you've had to deal with all of this, you were deposed last Wednesday. You were the archbishop of Milwaukee and one of the most egregious violations happened there.

DOLAN: Before my time.

AMANPOUR: Before your time. Many would say that you did your best to try to account for that.

DOLAN: Thank you.

AMANPOUR: But others would say also, the critics, that you didn't allow the names of the abusers to be made public. Some would say that some of the desires to bring in an independent litigator may have prevented some of the money, some of the reparations and settlements going to the victims. What do you say about all of that since you had to be deposed about that? DOLAN: I was deposed about that and grateful that I was. I had said two years ago please come, I want to tell the story and the deposition went rather well. By the way, the deposition was about the fact that I did reveal the names so that's something I did that they agreed with.

In fact the victims said do that, please, and we did. We have to remember, Christiane, that there are certain groups that are never going to be happy with what we've done, OK? All I can tell you is that even though in the past the Catholic Church was a model of what not to do in this.

I would maintain that today the Catholic Church is a model of what to do. And I'm not bragging about that. That would be self-serving. Outside independent people tell us this. That now the church is doing it right, OK?

So we could dwell on the past. We could go back decades and decades and decades of this nauseating abuse or we can say mea culpa for that, we have learned from it and now thanks be to god there is a rigor and a renewal and a responsibility in the church that is laudable and exemplary.

And I think that is 100 percent true. You mentioned a good point, Christiane, that we can't seem to get that news out because there are a lot of people who don't want that good news out there.

There are a lot of people that almost want to say that what has been a societal problem, it's limited to the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is the great Satan in this.

AMANPOUR: Would you say a lot of effort needs to go into, you know, finally calling to account and stopping not just the abuse but the hiding, the shielding of the abusers, which is another big complaint?

DOLAN: I think we've done it. My Lord, if we're trying to hide abusers, we're sure doing an awful job because every day it's on the front page of the newspaper.

AMANPOUR: From before, holding people accountable from having try to shield them before. You know there was a huge controversy and there remains a controversy of Cardinal Mahony.

DOLAN: The archbishop of Los Angeles.

AMANPOUR: Coming here. He has also been deposed. There were thousands and thousands of pages of documents that his own archbishop said made terribly painful reading, the consistent shielding of priests from any kind of accountability.

DOLAN: From decades ago.

AMANPOUR: Correct.

DOLAN: I think as a church we said that was a wrong thing to do.

AMANPOUR: So you're confident there will be zero tolerance?

DOLAN: We can never let up and we can never forget it and we can never say, thank God that's over, let's move on. It's constantly got to be before -- before our eyes. Keep in mind what you said before about hiding, sheltering, keeping people -- keeping this away from public knowledge.

That was done everywhere, wasn't it, tragically. We see that that was done in groups, it was done in universities. It was done by the police. It was done by judges. It was done, unfortunately, throughout society.

We did it, should never have done it, all right? Hate that we did it. We can never do it again, but now we're on the right track, thank God.

AMANPOUR: We have a helicopter stopping us from our conversation.

DOLAN: That's not the pope, is it? Did you get all that or do you want me to say it again?

AMANPOUR: I think we got all that. So this is the last half hour before the pope remains in the Vatican. What do you think as he leaves is his legacy?

DOLAN: It would be a great one, and I think -- and I think it's going to be one of those legacies that we unpack in the years ahead. Remember when he came in, in 2005, you were there. Many commentators like your colleague, John Allen, who's one of the more perceptive ones.

He said the legacy of John Paul II we're not going to fully appreciate until years from now and one of Benedict's main job is going to be to help us unpack that pontificate. So Benedict's contributions I think are going to be voluminous, but it may take us a while to discover them. I can rattle a few off if you're interested, are you?

AMANPOUR: Give me two.

DOLAN: Two, I would say the deep theological profundity than has been expressed with an amazing clarity and almost child-like simplicity. And secondly, I would say his constant call that the church needs to be engaged with the world in culture.

You know, Christiane, there's some voices in the church today saying we need to retreat to the catacombs. We need to circle the wagons. Benedict XVI said the church is in the world. There are tons more if you ever want to invite me back. We'll go through his accomplishments. Thank you, good to be with you.

AMANPOUR: Cardinal Dolan, thank you very much for joining us. Back to you, Chris and Erin.

CUOMO: What a great interview, first of all. Kudos to Christiane. For people watching all over the world, you just got a look at what makes Cardinal Dolan so special to people in America, whether they're Catholic or not. BURNETT: Yes. He's got the charisma. He can be serious and spiritual, but also have a light moment. We were laughing when the helicopter went and he said, wait, is that the pope? Is that the Holy Spirit?

So that happened. But I thought one thing was interesting when he was talking about the future, Chris, was talking about we need to talk about the renewal, had sanctity of marriage and people aren't able to obey what marriage is all about.

CUOMO: It's interesting. He made a point that the teachings may stay the same but what we decide to emphasize, what the pope decides to emphasize may change. So the teachings stay the same.

BURNETT: Is that a call for reform or not? We are going to take a brief break. When we come back, we're going to be covering this. You see the Swiss Guard and we'll get ready for the helicopter, the arrival, the moments of pomp and circumstance and goodbye. We'll be right back.

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