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Jurors Ask Jodi Arias Questions

Aired March 6, 2013 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: You`re not missing a minute of Jodi on the stand. Grilled by the jurors themselves who are hitting her with a battery of questions.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell. Let`s go back into the courtroom and hear the jurors` own questions for Jodi Arias.

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: ... how bad it is. That doesn`t mean broadcasting it, but going through the appropriate channels for repentance.

JUDGE SHERRY STEPHENS, PRESIDING OVER TRIAL: "Can you give a few examples of what might be considered negative other than those already discussed?"

ARIAS: Negative experiences?

STEPHENS: Just says "negative." I think it`s in connection with your journals.

ARIAS: Well, I don`t know that that means specifically to me, but other than violating the law of chastity or violence, that kind of thing, words that you speak, there is doctrine in the church which says that every word that flows from our mouth we will be held accountable for those words one day. So that`s an example of something negative.

I know some Mormons that drink. That`s an example of something negative. I know gay Mormons, and homosexuality is prohibited in the church. That`s something the church considers negative. It`s not my philosophy. There are things to that effect. I mean, plenty of things that go on.

So I mean, I guess there would be an example as far as the homosexuality goes, because Travis wanted to have a threesome with another woman, and I wasn`t -- I mean, I don`t -- I`m not gay, but it was something I was contemplating going along with. So that obviously, in addition to the sexual sin, depending on what interaction I may or may not have had with that woman, could also be a violation of another law in that regard.

STEPHENS: "How do you determine when you will tell the truth and when you will not tell the truth? What are the determining factors?"

ARIAS: Anything that related back to my involvement in Travis`s death or de-edifying him in any way, I covered up, I attempted to cover up. So the lies that I told after all of this happened were directly related to those two main things.

STEPHENS: "When did you find Travis`s gun?"

ARIAS: It would have been October/November. Sometime in the fall. It was before Christmas 2007. I know it was before Christmas. I don`t remember the exact time in the fall.

STEPHENS: "Was it kept loaded in the closet?"

ARIAS: He told me it was not loaded.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Objection, hearsay.

STEPHENS: Overruled.

ARIAS: He assured me it wasn`t loaded because...

MARTINEZ: Objection. Hearsay.

STEPHENS: Sustained.

ARIAS: I`m sorry. Should I...

STEPHENS: Wait for another question.

"Today, March 5, 2013, you stated before lunch that you think you filled the car up first. If you did have the third gas can, as we saw in several hypothetical situations after lunch, do you see it possible to put 8.301 gallons of gas in the car, Exhibit No. 237.011, and then 9.59 gallons and 2.774 gallons for a total of 12.368 gallons in the remaining three gas cans? Exhibits 237.011, 237.012, and 237.013."

ARIAS: OK. That was a lot of elements to that question. So first, I didn`t have three gas cans.

MARTINEZ: Objection, nonresponsive. She was asking if it was possible, assuming she had three gas cans.

STEPHENS: Overruled. You may continue.

ARIAS: I didn`t have three gas cans. I believe we were discussing a hypothetical, if I had three gas cans.

No, it wouldn`t make sense to put only two gallons and change into one gas can while filling up the others. And as far as whether I think I filled the car up first or not, I honestly don`t know what came first. I do remember having a fear of filling the gas cans -- overfilling them, because I didn`t want overflow, because it`s a highly flammable substance. So I remember that, so I don`t know if I filled them all the way to their maximum capacity or not.

But I wouldn`t have only put two gallons in one if I`d filled up two more. I only had two anyway, so there were never three on that trip when I pulled out of Salinas.

STEPHENS: "You initially testified that sex was a way for Travis to relieve stress and later testified it was a way for him to relieve anger. Which is correct?"

ARIAS: Both are correct. Anger was stressful, and he had the term "de-stress," and sex was a way to de-stress. And it seemed like after he climaxed that he felt a lot more calm.

STEPHENS: "How do you know that?"

ARIAS: Based on his demeanor and conversations we`ve had regarding that and requests that he`s made specifically to that, of that nature, and the term "de-stress."

STEPHENS: "Would a screwdriver be required to take off the license plates?"

ARIAS: I heard...

MARTINEZ: Objection, hearsay.

STEPHENS: Sustained. "Would a screwdriver be required to take off the license plates?"

ARIAS: I believe so because we had -- Ryan had to borrow a screwdriver from...

MARTINEZ: Objection.

STEPHENS: Sustained.

"Did you find it strange that only your license plate was messed with in that parking lot?"

ARIAS: I don`t know that only my license plate was messed with.

STEPHENS: "If you were driving to a place you had never been before, meaning Utah, why wouldn`t you map out different towns that would have gas stations or rest stations?"

ARIAS: I did go to MapQuest and -- to determine the number of hours it might take, and I printed out MapQuest directions. And I also printed out MapQuest directions from San Diego to West Jordan, as well as Pasadena or Los Angeles, whichever area, to West Jordan.

I wouldn`t know what Web site to even visit. I guess I could have gone to Google and just typed in, "Where are the gas stations on I-5" to bring all that up. I`m not aware of a Web site that specifically shows those things. It`s for that purpose. I only knew of MapQuest. And I printed directions that way, because I relied on my GPS all these years, but I wasn`t going to take that car with the GPS, which usually just guided me and could tell me where the gas stations were.

STEPHENS: "Did you see a doctor for your memory issues?"

ARIAS: I don`t believe that I have memory issues that are really persistent. I just have trouble processing things under stressful circumstances. And June 4 is kind of in a class of its own.

Outside of those things, I feel like I have a really good memory, and I never thought to seek medical help or any kind of professional help for that.

STEPHENS: "If you were scared of Travis`s anger and violence, why would you go upstairs when he was banging his head, knowing he was already mad?"

ARIAS: Well, Travis had never -- one, I didn`t know he was banging his head. I just didn`t know what the steady noise was. It was just kind of a pounding, not incredibly loud but loud enough to hear from downstairs.

And, two, he had never been violent with me prior to that. Except -- I mean, it wasn`t violent. The only time he had been physical was when he grabbed my wrist at the convention. So I didn`t really fear physical harm from him at that point in time.

STEPHENS: "Did Travis ever tell you he kept his gun loaded?"

ARIAS: He told me of one time he considered loading it, but he assured me that it was not loaded.

STEPHENS: "If you did not think the gun was loaded, why chance grabbing a gun that may not be loaded instead of just running outside?"

ARIAS: I grabbed the gun not because I intended to shoot him. I grabbed the gun because my thought is, if a gun is pointed, you stop, whether it`s loaded or not. I`ve always been taught you don`t point guns at people, period, just as a safety precaution. So I only imagine what I would do in that situation if a gun was pointed at me. I would stop. And I was hoping that it would have that effect on him.

STEPHENS: "You stated that when you walked out of Starbucks you did not notice anything wrong with the back of the car. How is it that the back licenses plate ended upside down?"

ARIAS: I didn`t see anyone turning my license plate upside-down. Nor did I notice the license plate when I walked out. I just noticed kids skating away from my car. It`s possible that it could have happened...

MARTINEZ: Objection.

STEPHENS: Overruled.

ARIAS: It`s possible that it could have happened at any part during my trip. I could have even rented the car that way and never noticed. But I believe...

STEPHENS: Objection, speculation.

ARIAS: Sustained. "Why did you plan on going to see John Dixon?"

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You are not missing a thing. We`re going to take a very short break. On the other side, more of Jodi Arias answering questions from the jurors. And then as soon as it ends, we`ll debate it. Stay right there.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: You haven`t missed a thing. We`re going right back into the courtroom, more questions for Jodi Arias from the jurors, and some of these questions are tough. Let`s listen.

STEPHENS: Sustained. "Why did you plan on going to see John Dixon when you were on your way to Utah to see Ryan?"

ARIAS: John Dixon was a friend, although there was somewhat of an interest there. It was nothing that I ever let grow, because he wasn`t a church member, so it would be kind of a poor investment of my heart to get attached to somebody who is not a member of the church.

What I was going down there for is he had a friend who either owned a gallery or ran a gallery where he hung some of the greats such as Van Gogh and Monet. And when I told him I painted, he said, "We could make a space in this gallery for you. I could hang it right next to a Monet or Van Gogh." It sounded like a very big -- it sounded like a very exciting thing for me, because one of my goals at that time was to get my paintings into galleries.

STEPHENS: "How many men were you willing to be involved with at the same time?"

ARIAS: Well, it depends on the level of intimacy. As far as a boyfriend, I have one boyfriend at a time. An intimate partner, one at a time. In the church, you are encouraged to go on...

MARTINEZ: Objection. Nonresponsive. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

STEPHENS: I`m sorry. I can`t hear you, counselor.

MARTINEZ: Objection. Nonresponsive. She`s already indicated once that she wants to talk about the church.

KIRK NURMI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s to explain her beliefs. It`s about dating. That`s the question called for.

STEPHENS: Overruled. You may continue.

ARIAS: In the church you`re encouraged to date around and find somebody that you might be compatible with and not to get too serious with somebody that you don`t think you would be very compatible with. So Mormons are encouraged to go on group dates and not spend too much time together with only one person unless you are certain that you`re going to start getting serious with that person.

STEPHENS: "Did you ever seek medical help for your mental condition?"

ARIAS: I`m not sure what mental condition that refers to.

STEPHENS: "Have you ever taken medication for your memory issue?:


STEPHENS: "Did you ever tell anyone about your condition prior to the killing?"

ARIAS: I don`t really think I had much of a condition prior to the killing. Just -- I mean, I have ADD, I think, because I space out, but I don`t.

MARTINEZ: Objection. She was asked if she told someone about it, not what...

ARIAS: Sustained. "You told us that you were not able to make out the license plate leaning against the curve in front of your car because you are near-sided and did not get glasses until 2010. What is your prescription in each eye?"

ARIAS: My understanding is that my prescription is 2.5 -- negative 2.5 and negative 2.25.

STEPHENS: "Is there anyone who saw you shaking during a fight with Travis?"

ARIAS: Dan saw me visibly upset after. But I don`t think anybody saw us fighting during. At least to the level of fights where it would cause me to shake.

STEPHENS: "Do any of your journal entries or any other items discuss you shaking or blacking out or getting scrambled?"

ARIAS: Possibly allusions to getting scrambled, but I had not blacked out, except like I said, those two times when I -- they were alcohol induced. One time I did induce blacking out with some friends. That was earlier than that, and that was a one-time incident.

But I didn`t journal blacking out, because there were no incidents during those times that I was journaling. And shaking -- I mean, I shook when I wrote, but I didn`t write that I was shaking. So probably only when I got scrambled. There were times when I would write things.

STEPHENS: "You claim to have memory lapses or gaps during times of stress, such as when you are being yelled at or grilled. How is it that you have such vivid and specific memories of violence and yelling by Travis such a long time ago if this is the case?"

ARIAS: With the violence, it`s not that I have to process the English language. It`s more I feel those things.

I know he broke my finger, because it`s still broken. Or it`s healed, but it`s crooked. I know he choked me out, because I woke up from being unconscious.

As far as him yelling, I know he`s yelling, because there`s a loud volume, and it has an effect on me. I don`t know all the things he said.

For example, the night he was -- he said disparaging things about my grandfather and my brother, those stand out. That`s all I can remember of the three-hour session of him screaming at me before I was able to leave. So many things were said. Mean things. And I didn`t process them all. Some I wrote down, and that`s when he made me tear them out. So I don`t -- I didn`t write them after that.

STEPHENS: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take the evening recess. Please be back in the designated area at 10:15. Please remember the admonition. You are excused. Have a nice evening.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So many questions from jurors. What do those questions say about the jurors` heads had when it comes to guilt or innocence for Jodi Arias?

Let`s debate it with our expert panel. We have one lawyer for the defense, one lawyer for the prosecution. We start with Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor. What do these questions say?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, I have to say, on the one hand, I think the jurors are listening to her and saying, "You have an answer for everything. We hate you!" Every time she comes up with an excuse I think they`re rolling their eyes.

But I think just objectively, looking at the questions that they wanted answered, it`s kind of like another cross-examination, where the gist of what they`re saying is, "We don`t believe this, and we want to catch you in a lie, so try it again."

And I think they did catch her in a lie. Some of the questions they re-asked that the prosecutor has already gone through on cross.

I don`t know if you noticed this, Jane, but earlier today she said something about -- one of the questions was, "And after you shot him, why didn`t you just run away? Why did you have to stab him? Why didn`t you just run away?"

And she goes, "Oh, well, I did. I started running down the hall."

And her lawyer goes, "Objection, she has no memory."

And I was -- you know, it was so ridiculous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Dana Djuridical (ph) for the defenses?

DANA DJURIDICAL (PH), LAWYER: You know, I can`t disagree more. I have to tell you, in listening to all of these jurors` questions, they -- in a little bit they were all over the place. Then every once in a while, you got this real poignant question. And most of the questions that were, were really catching, were the ones about her memory loss.

And I have to tell you, it`s not that she has an answer for everything. They`re asking her questions, and she`s looking at the jury. She`s answering them to the best of her ability. She`s not making excuses. She`s providing them with the answers. And I think her answers today are very consistent with what she`s testified about over the trial.

And if you recall, she did respond to one of those questions where she said, "I think I was crying. I didn`t say no. I said I don`t know. But I think you didn`t hear it correctly." And I think that it`s giving the jurors an opportunity, once again, to see how real she is and how she`s interacting with them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, breaking news for you, people. We have just learned from the court that, as Jodi`s answering questions, the jurors are submitting still more questions! I want to know, is it official? Is this trial out of control? We`ll debate it on the other side.


STEPHENS: "Did you ever take pictures of yourself after he hit you?"

ARIAS: No, I did not.

STEPHENS: "Why did you call the cops on your ex who shook you, but you never called the cops on Travis?"

ARIAS: I never did with Travis, because that prior experience with calling 911, he grabbed the phone out of my hand, hung it up. It was a very negative experience.




STEPHENS: "How is it that you remember so many of your sexual encounters, including your ex-boyfriend, but you do not remember stabbing Travis and dragging his body?"

ARIAS: I don`t know how the mind works necessarily, but I know that that was the most traumatic experience of my life.

When I`m under a stressful situation, it`s as if my mind -- you can imagine a computer that freezes. It`s turned on, but it`s not functioning. And you can hit the keys, but nothing`s happening. Just like the sound waves are hitting my ears, but the brain is not computing.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ll tell you something. My brain is not computing how long she has been on the stand! This was day 16 of Jodi on the stand. Tomorrow, day 17.

And we just found out, even as she`s answering questions, jurors are writing more. When is it going to end?

What`s it like? How surreal and crazy is it to be in this courtroom? I`ve never seen anything like it. Let`s go out to Selin Darkalstanian, our producer in court. Is it me, or has this gotten a little crazy?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Jane, this is ridiculous. Today some of us in the media, as we were sitting in the back row, we were talking about how we can`t even remember the witnesses that were on that stand before Jodi herself, because she`s been on that stand for most of February. Now we`re into March, and she`s still on the stand. We -- all we`ve heard is Jodi speaking every single day of this trial for the past month.

And today all the jurors were taking notes as she was answering all their 100-plus questions, but some of them were writing more questions and submitting it into the box. So tomorrow we still have some of their old questions, but we have new questions that have been added. So there is still a ton more for Jodi to answer on the stand tomorrow.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Honestly, it`s almost like a night -- like I`m having a bad dream, and I`m going to wake up, no, this isn`t really happening. I mean, it`s like a cult of personality.

And let me tell you, she`s slipping in little zingers as she answers questions. Check this out.

Jurors had a lot of questions about Jodi`s claim that she caught Travis Alexander masturbating, the victim, she claims masturbated to pictures of little boys. Well, they wanted to know, "Jodi, why do you keep sleeping with him if his actions made you so sick?"

Listen to her answer very carefully. There`s a zinger in there.


STEPHENS: "You said you were sick to your stomach when you saw Travis with child pictures. So why did you sleep with him again?"

ARIAS: Well, after throwing up a few times that day, I wanted to talk to him and give him a chance to explain what was going on. He gave me a tearful explanation, and I felt more sympathetic toward him than disgusted at that point.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Jean Casarez, that says -- and those are the sex pictures they took right before she killed him -- that says, "Oh, when I found out why he was masturbating to pictures of little boys, I felt more sympathetic. I understood." To me, she`s dropping in some kind of, oh, he`s a victim of molestation insinuation there. Am I wrong?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": It just seems like she was under the spell of Travis. It`s consistent with her direct examination, which has said.


CASAREZ: And just to let everybody know, 150 questions is where we`re at now with the jurors, and more will be tomorrow.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, no. When I`m saying is what she says -- "Well, I wanted to give him a chance to explain his alleged masturbation," which the prosecution said never -- never happened. "He gave me a tearful explanation. I felt more sympathetic to him than disgusted."

What possible tearful explanation could she have gotten from Travis allegedly, purportedly, that would be -- make her more sympathetic to him? The only thing I can think of is...

CASAREZ: I`ve got a problem. I don`t want to be like this, but I am like this and I don`t want to be, but I can`t help myself. I mean, she didn`t testify to that because that`s hearsay, but that`s what she`s alluding to.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. It`s interesting, because what I -- what I thought was, oh, she`s alluding to the fact that he -- he was a victim of molestation, because that is something that, if you don`t deal with, can be passed that way.

So this has -- this has become like almost there`s -- there`s growth here in terms of the storytelling, which the prosecution is saying is all one big lie.

So much more to debate on the other side, then at 8:00, top of the hour, Nancy Grace is at the Jodi Arias trial in Arizona. Let`s join her at the top of the hour. But first we`ve got more debate and somebody who has studied this case like no other, next.


JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: As he`s diving toward you, that`s when the gun goes off, right?


MARTINEZ: Well, now, you were there.

ARIAS: It was contemporaneous (ph). It all happened so fast.

MARTINEZ: What happened to the gun?

ARIAS: It got knocked out of my hand.

MARTINEZ: How did it get knocked out of your hand?

ARIAS: The impact.

MARTINEZ: The impact from what?

ARIAS: From Travis hitting me.




SHERRY STEPHENS, PRESIDING JUDGE: You took pictures of the shirt and shorts. Did you take pictures of the Spider-man underwear? If no, why not?

ARIAS: I did not take pictures of those because that`s embarrassing.

STEPHENS: Travis stated on the phone sex conversation he did not like Spider-man. Why did he buy you Spider-man underwear if he did not like that character?

ARIAS: I don`t know why, but they were Spider-man and I do know, however, that prior, the year prior, he -- there is a child he was close with that really liked Spider-man. I don`t know if that had anything to do with it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you just hear that? She just used that question as an opportunity to further malign the victim and paint him as a pedophile.

Let`s go out to Shannon Hogan, journalist, author of "Picture Perfect". There she is saying well, there was a child he was close with who really liked Spider-man. That`s dropping a bomb in the form of answering this question, Shannon.

SHANNON HOGAN, JOURNALIST, AUTHOR, "PICTURE PERFECT": Absolutely. She used that as an attempt to further her claim that, you know, he liked young boys implying that that was the reason why he wanted that underwear on her that he was somehow attracted to young boys.

Of course, that doesn`t make any sense. That`s one of those key details that doesn`t really add up. And we know that no one else in Travis` life ever, ever said that he had an interest in young boys. We know that we found -- that the police found no child porn on his computer.

So the only person who happens to make these allegations happens to be the person on trial for his murder. So if it doesn`t make sense, I think it`s just not true.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The jury did not hold back talking about sex, asking questions about Jodi and Travis` sex life. Listen to this one.


STEPHENS: Why did you feel so uncomfortable about anal sex with Travis when you had previously tried it?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In my previous relationships, it was only something we tried one time, maybe two times, and those were long-term relationships. The reason that that was not a regular part of the bedroom curriculum was because it was uncomfortable. And with Travis that was his preference, and that`s one of the reasons I got the KY. It made it less uncomfortable, obviously. That`s why it became more regular in our relationship.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, here is a poll we did, who benefits from so many juror questions for Jodi? 84 percent says the prosecution. But here`s what I don`t understand.

Let`s debate it: Dana Swickle for the defense; Wendy Murphy for the prosecution. If you really think somebody is guilty and a pathological liar, why ask them any questions, much less 150 and counting? Dana, we`ll start with you.

DANA SWICKLE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, it`s so interesting that you bring this up because last week when I was on your show, Jane, we also did another poll. And I believe the question was asked, how many of you believe Jodi and how many of you didn`t? And I think 93 percent said they didn`t, but then there was that 7 percent.

And then you had one juror, one obviously viewer juror, call in and say, I`m one of those one percent who believes her and x-y-z could happen. And now if you look at this poll that you just did again, now the prosecution`s number is even lowering.

I think the more questions, the more concerns. I think the prosecution is going to have to be concerned.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Wendy Murphy for the prosecution, bring it.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: That sounds like a comedy show. Look, the reason there are so many questions is because there are so many lies and every one of those jurors is like us on your show or watching your show. They`re thinking, I caught her and I want to tell her I caught her in this lie. And I want to write down that I caught her in this lie. And I want to see if she can explain this one.

There are so many questions because they want her to know they don`t believe her. And they`re saying to you, if you did this, why didn`t you do that? I`ll tell you I think she`s too cute by far. She should be more conciliatory if she wants them to feel compassion. She`s arrogant. If she says "edify" one more time -- I want to edify Travis, I`m going to barf.

She`s using this language that is like, ugh. She didn`t graduate high school.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy, are you offended by her dropping bombs further alleging other insinuations, re: Travis Alexander the victim`s alleged pedophilia which the prosecution is saying is a wholesale lie?

MURPHY: I think there is no -- go ahead. Go ahead.




MURPHY: Ok. Listen, here`s the thing about -- here`s the thing about the pedophilia. Nobody believes it. She conveniently says, well, and I took the rope from the crime scene, I conveniently took -- I can`t find the weapon, and I conveniently took those Superman underwear -- whatever the hell they are -- and I destroyed them. Isn`t it just interesting that the things she knows are not going to be credible her explanation for why they don`t exist is, I threw them away?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Dana, 10 seconds.


MURPHY: What would she say about porn on the computer? Why is there no porn on the computer?

SWICKLE: It`s really a simple thing. You have 12 jurors on there, you have 12 people with 12 different mind-sets and they`re going to be asking questions. Just because the majority may not believe it, there may just be one person who might.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes and if there`s going to be one holdout. But I don`t know.

On the other side, we`re going to hear from a caller from Georgia.


ARIAS: I can`t quite put my finger on it, but something is just off with that boy. We`ve all got head problems, that`s for sure, but he has told me time and again that if he could marry me it would mean he won the wife lottery.

As I write right now that I love Travis Victor Alexander so completely that I don`t know any other way to be.

I couldn`t get that out of my mind or my heart, the way -- how tender he is and how much more he displays his love when he goes out of his way to make up for whatever he did. I wish I could turn back the clock and make some different decisions.




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STEPHENS: How did you have time to get the gun down if he was right behind you?

ARIAS: I don`t know if he was right behind me or not, I just had the sense that he was chasing after me.

STEPHENS: When did you find out that Travis had a gun?

STEPHENS: I found out in the fall of 2007 when I was cleaning his shelves. I had different projects, and it was around the fall. I don`t remember if it was October or November.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: A lot of skeptical questions, but she has an answer for everything. Remember this video of Travis shooting a gun? Well, the guy who gave it to us exclusively said this proves he didn`t own a gun because he had to borrow my gun to go target practice.

By the way, Travis Alexander an animal lover, he wasn`t shooting at anything. He was just out there in the wild just target practicing. You can see he wasn`t shooting at anything.

Let`s go to the phone lines. Jordan in Georgia, your question or thought -- Jordan in Georgia?

JORDAN, GEORGIA (via telephone): Yes, the claim that the gun went off accidentally, she had no intentions of shooting Travis, guns aren`t ready to fire unless their chamber and the safety is switched off. So I haven`t heard anything on that at all. When is the chamber (inaudible) and took the safety switch?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you raise such an excellent question. Jean Casarez, you`ve been there in court. It`s not like the movies where you pick up a gun and just fire it. When a gun is stored, like the gentleman said, you have to remove the safety function in order --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- and then the holster thing, she mentioned a holster out of the blue yesterday.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell us about the inconsistencies in her story or the questions about this gun story.

CASAREZ: Well, there was a question today by a juror whether the gun was in the holster or not, if there was a holster. And her testimony was that she wasn`t sure if it was in a holster. That would take time to get it out. But she thinks that it wasn`t in a holster. She didn`t think it was loaded. And not a mention or question about the gun safety. Not all guns have safety, though. Most of them do, but some don`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: See Shanna Hogan, this is her perverse brilliance. She gets hit with a tough question, right, about, well, oh, the holster and this, that and the other, and she suddenly turns around and says, I didn`t think it was loaded, trying to sort of remove responsibility from herself because she`s already said she didn`t know she shot him and the gun sort of went off.

Now she`s even saying, well, I really didn`t mean to shoot him because I didn`t even know the gun was loaded. How does she think of these things? I`m flabbergasted at this point.

HOGAN: She`s very quick on her feet as we`ve seen throughout these juror questions. And what do all three of her stories have in common? All three of them, all her different versions of events, take all the blame off herself. She`s incredibly still concerned about her reputation. She cares about how she`s being perceived. She knows what she did. She obviously killed this guy. She has admitted to that, but she doesn`t want to be perceived as the person who killed him out of guilty or jealousy or anger so she`s always come up with a way to put that on someone else or on something else. It was an accident.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, you see her doing her infamous stretch, her yoga stretch that goes all the way over the chair. On the other side, we`re going to get a body language expert to weigh in on here - - well, was she stretching on the stand today? We`ll find out on the other side.


ARIAS: But it still remains that I cannot marry him. I can`t quite put my finger on it, but something is just off with that boy.

KIRK NURMI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And had he ever proposed to you?

ARIAS: Yes, he did over the phone once.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re covering every minute of the Jodi Arias trial, but we`re also working hard to keep you updated on all the other stories we cover. Lindsay Lohan, no stranger to bad decisions or disobeying judges, she`s doing both at once. Reports say Lilo is going to stick with her attorney Mark Heller (ph) even though the judge called him incompetent to practice in California.

Her trial just days away, it`s going to be quite a show. We`re going to bring it to you as well, right here 7:00 p.m. Eastern, week nights HLN. You keep it right here. On the other more debate and more Jodi Arias questions.



ARIAS: Sometimes it was his money and I would make it up to him through housekeeping. That`s one of the reasons I got the KY.

I still wanted to memorialize him in some way. So I lay them out and I photographed.

I never had glasses my entire life and in 2010 I put on someone else`s just for fun and it was like I didn`t even know that you could see the world that way.

Foundation, cover-up, something that was very opaque I was putting on from that point on I knew I was going to be arrested.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are back to the cheerful and helpful Jodi, the same kind of Jodi who very, very eager to talk to that Detective Flores, remember, when she was lying through her teeth, days after killing Travis Alexander. She offered that detective so much information.

Let`s go to a body language expert, the very patient Patti Wood, thank you for your patience, ma`am. We see her on the stand today handling a situation that would make a lot of us go into the fetal position and just melt down, and she`s poised and she`s calm. There`s something about this chick that I don`t get. Can you explain it?

PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Absolutely. What`s fascinating, getting small is what we do when we`re fearful. When we`re scared, the body actually wants to compress down, make itself a smaller target. And that`s what is distressing. Her body language is actually -- she`s energized by answering all these questions. She is smiling. She has what I call up body language, her chest is out. She is actually proud of some of her answers. When she goes through all of that testimony and the answers about having her (inaudible) in a gallery, she is actually glowing and her words are flowing out so easily.

When somebody is fearful, there`s so much tension in their body. They might freeze in place. You`ll notice today she is not doing what she did when she was crying last week. There`s no hiding in her hair. There`s no blocking her face with her hands.

She had time to prepare these answers. I think that`s important for us to know. And she is really having fun with this whole process at times.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Patti, I must say a couple of things. You`re saying that she is actually enjoying this whole process.

WOOD: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I don`t know when she prepared. We only found out about the number of questions yesterday and they were debating them this morning. I mean is she working overnight without sleep to prepare answers or does she have a gift to spew anything like many pathological liars do? They have a gift. They process the information, they spew out the lie. There`s no pause. And it`s a perverse gift. And I think she`s got it. She answers these questions without a blink.

More on the other side.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Based on these questions, what do you think the jurors` verdict will be? Starting with defense, Dana?

SWICKLE: You know, it`s so hard to tell. You know, we all try to guess what we think it`s going to be, and then all of a sudden we`re shocked when it`s not what we thought. Right now I think it`s too soon. I`d like to see what they have to say tomorrow with the questions tomorrow. I think we`ll have a better idea then.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Ok. Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor.

MURPHY: Look it, they`re asking her all these questions because they want her to lie as much as possible. They`re planning to vote for death, in my opinion, and they just want to hate her. The more she lies, the more vengeful they are going to be.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I will say I don`t know because I`ve guessed and I`ve been wrong before. But we shall see.

Nancy Grace up next.

We`ll be back right here tomorrow with more questions.