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First Round Of Voting At Vatican Renders No Decision On New Pope; Police Surrounding Oregon Hotel Where Suspected Killer Is Holed Up; What Facebook "Likes" Can Reveal About The People Behind The Clicks; D.C. Law Firm Staffed By Mostly Stay-At-Home Moms; Six-Month- Old Killed In Chicago's South Side; Guilty Verdict For So-Called Cannibal Cop; FBI And Secret Service Investigating Possible Hacking of High-Profile Celebrities

Aired March 12, 2013 - 15:30   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Right now in Rome, 115 cardinals have cast their secret ballots.

Less than an hour ago, we saw the thick, black smoke. Here it was, billowing out of the chimney from the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City, signaling, of course, this first inconclusive first vote from day one of the papal conclave.

Tomorrow, the voting really amps up. Keep in mind, you have two elections in the morning and, if necessary, another two in the evening.

Each and every time the world will be watching, CNN will be watching, waiting for -- it's the white smoke. That's the smoke that signals the message to the world that a new pope has been elected.

Look at this. This is the last time we saw these cardinals making their way into the Sistine Chapel, taking that oath of secrecy for this very first day of the conclave under the frescoes of Michelangelo, "The Last Judgment" there on the ceiling.

And our anchor Chris Cuomo is live in Rome for us. He saw the thick, black smoke not too long ago.

So, Chris, now that we know, no big surprise, right, no pope yet. Tell me what's next. What is next for the cardinals?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I'll tell you what was a surprise, Brooke, was how much smoke came out of that chimney.

That's been something that is a constant source of consternation, you know, that, oh, boy, with all the technology today, we still have this chimney. We can't tell what color the smoke is.

Well, that was not a problem this time. And it is part of the majesty and part of the antiquity of this that just makes it such great theater, so we didn't expect a pope tonight.

There has been popes elected on the first vote of the conclave, but it hasn't been for a very long time.

So, now, we wait for each vote because the next vote could be the one that elects a pope.

There is a belief, though, because of all of the big issues that are on the table, and the energy that took the foreign cardinals into Rome pushing off a conclave date, the general tenor and tone of what we understand the general congregations, the 10 meetings they had together, were like, we believe this conflict will be longer than in 2005. That was four votes.

They're saying this could go three days, maybe even more, so that would be, you know, eight votes or so.

So, tomorrow they have their mass. They eat, they have their mass, they come in, and they vote.

You have to remember, Brooke, there is no politics in the conclave itself. It is like going to mass, as John Allen would say.

There is a very slow order of silent voting and tabulating and that's it, so there's no real politicking. It's just watching and thinking and voting.

Brooke?

BALDWIN: Until maybe those power lunches or power dinners when they're outside of the Sistine Chapel.

But here is what I want to know, Chris Cuomo, because what keeps these different cardinals from, you know, each and every election within this conclave writing that same name down on that piece of paper, how did they -- how long could this go on?

CUOMO: Well, it is an interesting question.

First of all, what the cardinals would say was, well, it's prayer. They're sourcing prayer.

But, one, they're counting themselves, they're looking around the room and they are having these power lunches and dinners that you're talking about.

There's a lot of confab going on after and in-between votes at the Sistine Chapel itself.

Now, how long could it go on? OK, you want it to go on long enough you get somebody that represents who you think is important, and that is the mood among these cardinals, more than it has been in recent conclaves.

However, if it goes on too long, then you look weak, and if nothing else, the cardinals, the college wants to come out of there unified, and the more votes there are, the less unified you appear.

So, that is a little bit of the balance that they're going to be going through.

Also, remember, Brooke, the whole way the conclave started was because the cardinals were taking too long to pick a pope, and that's why they put them under lock and key. That's why they made it a difficult situation for them.

They've grown out of that a little bit, but we're still watching that chimney for smoke, and we'll be watching it tomorrow morning, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Maybe I should be asking you, Chris, how many suitcases you packed to go to Rome, how long you anticipate this conclave to be lasting?

Chris Cuomo, for us in Rome, Chris, I appreciate it. Thank you very much as he looks at me dubiously here.

Want to move on because we have some breaking news into CNN. Police, we have learned, are surrounding a hotel. This is in Oregon. They are hoping to bring in a man who is accused of killing his own grandparents on the first night he got out of prison.

Casey Wian is in Los Angeles with more. And, Casey, what do you know? What is happening now?

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the latest, Brooke, is that police in Lincoln City, Oregon, a seaside community, have a motel surrounded there, about 25 law enforcement officers, because inside, barricaded inside one of those rooms, they believe is a man by the name of Michael Boysen, who, as you mentioned, is wanted for the murders of his grandparents over the weekend.

He was released from jail on Friday. His grandparents and family threw him a party. He was supposed to spend the night at his grandparents' house.

The next day, late the next day, his mother hadn't heard from anybody, went to the grandparents house, was in the house for an hour and then found her parents dead.

That began this manhunt. Because he had about a 20-hour head start, police said they had absolutely no idea where Michael Boysen might be.

They were talking to the border patrol to make sure that he hadn't fled to Canada. They were very, very worried about the public safety because their investigation revealed that he was trying to obtain guns as far away as Nevada, and he had threats against his own family.

Now, he is holed up in a hotel, police say. They are negotiating with him, but they believe they have found the man they're looking for, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Let us know if that negotiation changes. Casey Wian, thank you so much for me for the breaking news. Now, what you like, what you click on, "like" here on Facebook, can predict a lot about who you are, including your sexuality, your intelligence, and. apparently a whole lot more.

This is what we're learning from this new study from Cambridge University here. Researchers analyzed more than 58,000 Facebook profiles to come up with their own conclusions.

And Alison Kosik is live at the New York Stock Exchange with more on this liking. So what can they tell about us?

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, so, I can't believe, first of all, that they actually did a study on this, but what they found was that they can predict traits just from what you click "like" on Facebook.

What they did was they analyzed more than 58,000 Facebook-users in the U.S. and those likes were able to prove that user -- what users' rates were and their genders more than 90 percent of the time.

But it is not just gender and race. I want to show you this. People with high IQs tend to like "The Daily Show" and "The Colbert Report," Mozart and they like curly fries.

It also predicts how many friends you have, so if you click "like" on biology or Dollar General or Jennifer Lopez, you have many friends.

If you don't have many friends, you're more likely to click like on "The Dark Knight," In-and-Out Burger and there's actually a page called "Walking With Your Friends and Randomly Pushing Them Into Someone or Something," so, if you click on that page, you had few friends.

So, as you can tell, this list goes on and on, some really fascinating stuff.

It is certainly a bonanza for marketers and advertisers, but if you're looking for a little privacy, this ain't the way to go. I say stop "liking" on Facebook.

BALDWIN: You lost me at curly fries, Alison Kosik. I'm a tater tots girl. What can I say?

Alison Kosik, thank you so much in New York for me on "likes" on Facebook.

So what do women want? One man may have the answer. Coming up next, we'll tell you why his company is attracting so many stay-at- home moms.

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BALDWIN: Here is a twist for you, a traditional law firm staffed by mostly stay-at-home moms. Maybe to some of you, it sounds like a dream job. Our next guest gives his employees who are attorneys a lot of flexibility. Could this maybe be one thing that women want?

Let me bring him in. Ben Lieber in Washington, D.C., he is a managing partner with Potomac Law Group. Ben Lieber, welcome.

BENJAMIN LIEBER, MANAGING PARTNER, POTOMAC LAW GROUP: Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Let's just begin with how this came about. I understand you and your lawyer wife, you're out and about, you're at cocktail parties, start talking to highly educated women who have become moms who are having a tough time picking their careers back up.

Why? What was the issue?

LIEBER: Well, that's exactly right. And the thing about the law industry, it's very rigid and I noticed that, early on, a lot of women when they get to be seventh or eighth year associate with have kids and they'd come back and they'd try it work a part-time schedule and invariably it would not work out.

The firm would treat them as they treated all the other associates over the years as a 24/7 kind of resource, and these lawyers tended to opt out of the legal profession because they could not make a flexible schedule work.

And it seemed to me that it was just such an inefficient situation that you had this high-end legal capacity that was idle and at the same time you had demands for legal services that were at a peak.

And I had the concept, I had the idea, to go out and match all that up. And that was the genesis of the firm.

BALDWIN: You bring up this word efficiency. And I can just hear people thinking, how is this efficient if you have all these people as lawyers, highly educated lawyers, working from home.

This model, 180 degrees different from the Yahoo! CEO Marissa Mayer's model where she's now telling all of her employees you have to come into the office.

I know maybe you're saying apples and oranges, right? This is tech companies versus law.

But how do you measure productivity then?

LIEBER: Well, that's exactly right. I don't what is right for Yahoo!, but I do know that in the legal industry physical presence is not essential.

Back when I was at a big firm, it is a very solitary profession. I spent most of my time in the law library by myself or in my office by myself doing legal research.

BALDWIN: Sounds like fun. Kidding.

LIEBER: Yeah. And, so, we're replicating that. People are doing work from home offices. When we have to have conference calls, we have conference calls. When we have to come into the office, we do have offices that people come into. It's maybe five percent of the time.

But the vast majority of the work is done from home and the lawyers are happy because they're working a flexible schedule and they tend to be more productive.

BALDWIN: Just curious, do you find that your clientele comes to you now because they know your reputation and who you're hiring?

LIEBER: Absolutely. It's -- the law is a relation-based industry. It takes a while to get to know people and get trusted.

General counsel, by and large, are risk-averse, and, so, usually we get in with -- they know we've got lawyers, lawyers who used to work at all the big firms. They've gone to the top schools. They're experienced.

And, so, they're willing to test this out early with something. We usually knock it out of the park, I have to say, modestly, and then they'll give us more and more.

And, so, that's really how we have grown our relationships with clients. We've signed 80 clients in the first two years, so it has been a good -- we've had great reception in the marketplace.

BALDWIN: Pretty good run so far.

Ben Lieber, the firm is Potomac Law Group. Half of your firm's partners are women and the COO is a woman. We thank you. Good luck, continued success.

LIEBER: Thank you. Thank you very much.

BALDWIN: The Secret Service investigating whether celebrities, including folks at the White House, were hacked.

But we're taking this a step further. I have asked a former hacker to see how easy it is for him to find out whatever he can about me online.

We will all see what he found, live, next.

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BALDWIN: This is an incredible tragedy. Imagine living in a neighborhood so dangerous that you can be shot while changing your baby's diaper in your minivan.

This is a tragic reality that happened on Chicago's South Side. It's a neighborhood that has a soaring murder rate.

Six-month-old Jonylah Watkins died this morning after surgery to try to save her from a gunshot wound.

Her father, Jonathan Watkins, was shot twice and is expected to be OK. Police now say dad was the target.

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GARRY MCCARTHY, CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT: This appears to be a targeted incident. It was very clear that whoever was doing this was firing at the father and exclusively at the father who happened to be sitting in a minivan with a child.

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BALDWIN: Police are looking for a gunman who sped off in a blue van. They are also investigating a Facebook post that said Watkins is a gang member.

Back after this.

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BALDWIN: We now have a verdict today in this disturbing trial, the so-called cannibal cop. The jury coming down with a guilty verdict in the case against New York city police officer Gilberto Valle accused of planning to kidnap and eat women.

Valle never actually harmed anyone. Defense attorneys had argued that he did nothing more than use the Internet to engage in dark fantasies. Guilty from the jury there in Manhattan.

Officials in New Orleans are now searching for a missing teacher. Twenty-six-year-old Terrilynn Monette vanished more than a week ago. Searchers have been combing a park near her apartment.

She was last seen out and about with woods and she's had a walk through the park here just to get home. Police are reviewing surveillance video to see if she left with anyone.

If you think everyone's private information is safe online, think again. The FBI and Secret Service are investigating the possible hacking of high-profile celebrities like Jay-Z, political leaders like Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, the first lady here, Michelle Obama.

Hackers claim to have social security numbers, credit reports, much, much more sensitive information here.

The result now, Secret Service very tight-lipped about the whole thing, only telling us, quote, "We will confirm the secret service is investigating the matter. We cannot comment further as it is an ongoing matter."

Kevin Mitnick is a former computer hacker and joins me now.

We wanted to take this story one step further here, and let me just tell you this. It is not clear how much this information is accurate and whether it was obtained by hacking or by public record. But what I did for this segment, gave you permission with my first, middle and last name to see what information you can dig up on me online and dare I ask, without giving it away, tell me what you found.

KEVIN MITNICK, FORMER COMPUTER HACKER: I found your social security number, your date of birth, your cell phone numbers, the addresses that you lived at since -- let me see -- since 1992, every address and every phone number at that address and Scott McNealy once said, the ex-CEO of Sun Microsystems, you have no privacy, get over it.

BALDWIN: Apparently not. You found my social.

MITNICK: I found your social. It took all about one minute.

There's databases on the Internet, information brokers used and private investigators used and to do these types of searchers cost from 25 cents to a dollar and anyone can get this information about anyone.

It's really the milk is spilled and the information is already out there and what's important is people not use this information as a means of authentication.

BALDWIN: I would like to put the milk back in the carton, Kevin. Tell me -- tell me and other people who are listening if you're telling me that anyone anywhere can find this information online, what do we need to do to protect ourselves?

MITNICK: Well, because this information is out there and there's no way that you're going to put the milk back in the carton is you never, ever use these -- this type of non-public personal identification as a password, as a means to reset your password on any credit card sites or online banking sites.

You have to assume that your social security number is public.

BALDWIN: But I never have. I never use my social for anything public, but still somehow you find it which tells me you can find others.

MITNICK: Well, yes. It's basically information brokerage databases. They sell this information usually for investigations, to investigate fraud or for doing anything in the course of business and this information is bought and sold.

So, the information is already out there. It doesn't take much to gain access to these databases, usually access to the Internet and a credit card and having and paying your bill on time.

The searches are super cheap and what that tells -- and it makes it really easy for identity thieves to steal your identity, so you have to be really vigilant at checking your credit reports, checking your credit card statements, signing up for some sort of theft protection service and really being vigilant in protecting your identity because it is so easy for a fraudster to steal it.

BALDWIN: What about -- I'm on Twitter. I'm on Facebook. I have two Facebook accounts. How does social media factor into all of this? Does it at all?

MITNICK: It kind of does because, when the bad guys are looking to break into your email account, they can leverage information that's on social media and sometimes guess your password reset question.

So, for example, if your password reset question is the name of your pet and you're on Facebook posting pictures of your pet, obviously, with its name, someone will figure that out.

In fact --

BALDWIN: Keep going.

MITNICK: There was a guy that hacked into the email of several celebrities. I think this was one or two years ago. They thought that he had some, you know, secret vulnerability to break into their iPhones.

It turned out he was simply hacking into their email accounts by guessing their password reset questions based on information that was in the public domain. All this guy did was use Google.

BALDWIN: Oh, my goodness.

MITNICK: Yeah, so it's --

BALDWIN: I kind of love you, but I don't know how much I love you right now Kevin Mitnick. You have all this information, but it's certainly is a wake-up call for all of us that it's out there, you can find it and we need to stop that. We need to protect ourselves.

Kevin Mitnick, thank you for being with me. I have to go.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. Apparently, you can know a lot more about me, but on that note, let's go to Washington.

Wolf Blitzer begins right now. Wolf?

WOLF BLITZER, ANCHOR, "THE SITUATION ROOM": Brooke, thanks very much.