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Israel-Palestinian Talks; Two Teens Charged in Georgia Baby's Murder; New Rules For Boarding Airplanes; Same-Sex Marriage Debate; Investigation of Dead Ex-Con Expands; Hog Wild for Guns; Victim's Dad Meets Killer's Dad; Jodi Arias Trial; Best Local Eating in India
Aired March 23, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN ANCHOR: Now brace yourself for another round of the budget battle on Capitol Hill. We did get a briefing at 5:00 in the morning. In Washington, just a few hours ago those Democratic- controlled Senate passed its first formal budget proposal in four years. The largely party line vote was 50-49, and it followed a marathon overnight session.
The plan would increase taxes by $1 trillion over the next decade. It now goes to the Republican dominated House where it's not expected to survive. The Senate has already voted down the House's plan.
In Georgia, a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old are in custody this morning. They're expected to be charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of a 13-month-old boy. The boy's mother, the baby's mother said she was pushing the little guy in a stroller Thursday morning when two young men approached her and demanded money.
BLACKWELL: Police relied on the mother's description and school attendance records to identify these young men, but they're still looking for the gun and the motive.
Nick Valencia is in the small town of Brunswick in southeast Georgia.
Nick, you've just gotten new information from police. What is that?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Victor.
I just got off the phone with Brunswick police officer Todd Rhodes (ph), a spokesman for the Brunswick police department and he tells me the two suspects have officially been charged with first-degree murder.
He also tells me in response to this alleged alibi from De'Marquis Elkins, he's the older suspect. Now his aunt was saying that he was with her that night, that it's impossible, that they got the wrong guy.
Yesterday, after the press conference, I asked police that specific question, how do you know that you guys got the right individuals? As you mentioned Victor, they said the suspects were arrested with the help of the mother's description. They also said they cross-referenced with area school's attendance records to see who was missing that day.
But take a listen to what De'Marquis Elkins' mother told our local affiliate yesterday, last night.
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KATRINA FREEMAN, SUSPECT DE'MARQUIS ELKINS' AUNT: I am devastated. I'm sad because they got the wrong person. I hate what happened to that baby, because know baby deserved to go through that. But at the same time, they taking someone to jail that is innocent. I am 100 percent positive that De'Marquis Elkins was not at that crime scene. He was at my residence.
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VALENCIA: Officer Rhodes just told me there's always going to be family members in cases like this, they don't want to believe that their loved ones are doing something. They're always innocent until proven guilty. They have not gone in front of the court just yet, but new information into CNN, Victor, they have officially been charged -- Victor.
ROMANS: Let me ask you about what the town is doing about this. It must just be tearing people up in that small town.
VALENCIA: Absolutely. In fact, take a look at the headline here from the Brunswick newspaper this morning, this really encapsulates the sentiment. It's a microcosm here of how the community feels about what happened. This is a 13-month-old baby.
The mother was out for a normal walk on her block when she said these two suspects approached her. She says she's never seen them a day before in her life. This community, Christine, is really for all intents and purposes a very quiet, small community and it's really shocked this town to its very core. It's not a very big place, about 15,000 people and the type of community where everyone knows everyone. Christine.
ROMANS: Nick Valencia thanks so much for the reporting.
BLACKWELL: All along the East Coast, maybe you saw it, maybe you didn't, I was asleep, so I didn't see it, bright streaking fireball. A lot of people saw it last night. You can see it here if you missed it. It's captured by dash cam in Washington here. Experts say it probably was a meteor.
ROMANS: The flash lasted several seconds and because it happened around 8:00 Eastern, it also lit up social media with sightings reported from Florida all the way to Quebec.
BLACKWELL: Those forced spending cuts are kicking in, forcing the FAA to close air traffic control towers at 149 regional airports across the country, although that's 40 fewer than initial thought.
ROMANS: The shutdowns would start next month, will save the FAA $637 million. Many controllers say they are worried about safety with fewer working towers.
And when you go to the bigger airports, you may come across a new way that American Airlines is boarding its flights.
BLACKWELL: It gives preference to passengers who have no carry-on.
CNN's Athena Jones explains -- Athena.
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ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Will the boarding hassle ever change? On this American airlines flight, passengers without carry-on bags are getting on faster. The company has been experimenting with a new policy that lets people without carry-on luggage board before folks with bags.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's actually great because I quite often check my bags. I think it's a good benefit.
JONES: American isn't the first. Frontier and Alaska Airlines already give priority to passengers without carry-on bags. American is testing this approach in Austin, Baltimore, Ft. Lauderdale and at Washington- Dulles, where some passengers we talked to liked the idea.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sounds great, you need to get on the plane sooner. You don't need your bag on the plane.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything to improve the process and the flow is excellent.
JONES: Others weren't on board.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't like it, basically saying that you have to pay the fee to get in.
JONES: Travel experts Charlie Leocha says airlines are constantly trying to find ways to speed up the boarding progress, but that American's policy probably won't make much of a difference.
CHARLIE LEOCHA, CONSUMER ? TRAVEL ALLIANCE: Those who really want to get space in the overhead, they will be jostling just like they are today, but they're going to be jostling after all the people with carry-on bags that are going under the seat in front of them get on first.
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JONES: Airlines collected nearly $1 billion in baggage fees in the third quarter of last year alone allowing passengers to buy the convenience of boarding early by checking their bags could certainly add to that already huge figure. Christine, Victor?
ROMANS: Athena Jones, thank you Athena. We got much more ahead this hour.
BLACKWELL: Here is a look at what's coming up.
Some say it's a human right. Others say it's just wrong. No matter where you stand, get ready, the showdown over same-sex marriage is finally here and ready for the ultimate test.
Plus a man pretending to be a pilot sweet talks his way right into the cockpit of a U.S. Airways plane.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's scary and I fly every week so it's actually pretty concerning.
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BLACKWELL: How did this happen? We've got new details this morning.
And she can sing. She can stretch. She can even do hand stands but why in the world is Jodi Arias doing all of this during a police interrogation? The bizarre surveillance video you've got to see.
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BRAD PITT, ACTOR: What makes this (INAUDIBLE) is our freedoms and the idea of equality.
LADY GAGA, POP ARTIST: We must demand full equality for all.
MATT DAMON, ACTOR: It's about time the Supreme Court weighed in on it and hopefully they'll come down in favor of it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely it will be done this week. I can't even imagine anything else. To me it's an embarrassment that it hasn't already been done.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The thing is, the march toward history always leads -- I'm quoting Martin Luther King here - it always leads towards equality and I think I just terribly paraphrased that but that's what we're hoping for here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's definitely going to be overturned I hope.
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ROMANS: No matter where you stand on same-sex marriage in that debate, one thing is clear, the country's opinion about it and who has the right to define it is changing. According to a new CNN/ORC poll, 53 percent of Americans now think same-sex marriage should be legally recognized under the law; 44 percent say it shouldn't.
Back in 2008 the country's support was the opposite; 53 percent were against it. Public opinion changing quickly on this issue. For the first time, next week the Supreme Court will take on the issue and eventually decide whether it's the states or the Federal government who have the right to define marriage in this country.
Joining me for more, Brian Molton, the legal director for the Human Rights Campaign, and Ryan Anderson, he's a fellow at the Heritage Foundation and the coauthor of "What is Marriage? Man and Woman, a Defense."
Ryan, let's start with you.
Your latest op-ed for CNN.com where you call this week's support of same-sex by the American Academy of Pediatrics, quote, "a PR stunt."
We should explain. The American Academy of Pediatrics is an organization of primary care pediatricians and specialists and it came out this week and said that a two-parent household was good for children, doesn't matter if it's a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, same-sex or heterosexual relationship.
Do you think that's a PR stunt?
RYAN ANDERSON, AUTHOR, "WHAT IS MARRIAGE?": Yes. There's really no rigorous science that supports that conclusion. All of the science that we have shows that mothering and fathering are distinct phenomenon and that children do best with a married biological mother and father.
But the most important thing in the lead-up to next week is that it's American citizens and their elected representatives who should be voting on marriage policy, not five or nine unelected judges.
ROMANS: Brian, for the first time in her long political career, Hillary Clinton came out in support of same-sex marriage in a video that your organization released this week. The former secretary of State, a U.S. senator, 2008 presidential candidate had backed civil unions and partner benefits for same-sex couples, but never, she never made a full endorsement for marriage. She said it's about equality. Listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FMR. SECRETARY OF STATE: Gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights. And the United States would be a leader in defending those rights.
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ROMANS: Brian, do you think this is a move to influence the Supreme Court like the American Academy of Pediatrics and others who are trying to get their opinions out there now before the court decides?
BRIAN MOULTON, LEGAL DIRECTOR, THE HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN: I think what you see from Hillary Clinton, from the American Academy of Pediatrics, from Ralph Portman, from more and more figures public and private, more and more organizations is that this is the issue in front of the court, in front of the American people the way it never has been.
And a lots of folks want to make sure their position on the issue is clear. You've seen more and more folks coming out for equality because really that's where our country is and where it's going. ROMANS: Ryan, I got to ask you, we showed those polls showing how quickly things have changed just over the past four years. Do you see that sense of public opinion is changing or you don't buy those polls?
ANDERSON: I think public opinion right now is changing and that's why we shouldn't have the Supreme Court stop the conversation. What we don't need is for the Supreme Court to artificially stop the democratic process, which is what they did in Roe, so we've already seen this 40 years ago. The nation was having a conversation about abortion and the court shut it down, struck down laws in all 50 states and it led to a 40-year culture war. We don't need the court treating another culture war on the question of marriage. Let the citizens discuss and vote.
ROMANS: Ryan, in your book, you say the future of the country depends on the future of marriage and the future of marriage depends on citizens understanding what it is and why it matters. So what is marriage to you and what do you think would happen to the country if gays can marry?
ANDERSON: The state has an interest in marriage, because it needs men and women to commit to each other as husband and wife and then take responsibility for their children as mothers and fathers. President Obama has spoken moving about the importance of fathers, how he wished his father would have involved in his life, how that inspires him to be a good father to his own daughters.
ROMANS: What's wrong with two fathers?
ANDERSON: How can the law teach that fathers are essential when it redefines marriage to make fathers optional? It's not just two parents. It's the father and a mother. Mothering and fathering are distinct phenomenon and children do best and they have a right to a mother and a father and that's what marriage does.
ROMANS: Brian I'll let you react to that point.
MOULTON: First of all, these talking points are always ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of children being raised by same-sex couples successfully in this country which is why you have the American Academy of Pediatrics and lots of other child welfare organizations that have already come out in support of parenting by same-sex couples and marriage because those kids deserve a stable protected, respected home just as much as kids being raised by opposite sex couples do. And I just completely disagree that somehow allowing those children to have a stable and legally recognized home is somehow a threat to marriage more broadly or to the institution that gay and lesbian couples are simply trying to join.
ROMANS: Let me ask you Brian I guess also to react to Ryan's point that it would be the Supreme Court stopping the democratic process.
MOULTON: The Supreme Court is going to be doing its job which is to make sure that the laws of the country are consistent with our constitution and the guarantees for all people, minorities included and that's what they're going to be doing next week. They're not breaking the rules of our democracy or stalling out the process. They're actually doing what they're there to do which is to make sure that even if a law is passed by a state legislature or voted on by the people, it can't be inconsistent with our constitution.
ROMANS: All right, Brian Moulton, Ryan Anderson, thanks both for spending a little bit of your time on a Saturday morning for an issue that is certainly something we'll be talking about in the weeks and months ahead. Thanks both of you.
BLACKWELL: Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods, a rainbow house, what else can you say about the week that was? Turns out plenty. So stay with us.
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BLACKWELL: Good morning, Atlanta. When I say good morning it's not really that great. You got rain that is coming down, high of 56 degrees and yes, it is spring, so we're told. The calendar says spring. It's downright nippy out here.
Everybody's favorite groundhog, Punxsutawney Phil, he suggested -- predicted -- it would be an early spring. He is in trouble. He incorrectly suggested that spring would come early.
Ohio prosecutor Michael Moser indicted Punxsutawney Phil for deception, oh deception. Moser says he wants someone to pay for all the cold weather they're seeing. Of course this is all in good fun.
Phil's handlers are playing along too. They're pointing out that Phil has been making predictions come on y'all since 1887 and he's going to make some mistakes, but they also say it will probably continue.
So I'm sure you've heard of people using seeing eye dogs. According to guidedogs.com about 10,000 people in the U.S. and Canada use them. How about a dog with his own seeing eye dog? Yes. Meet this couple. Isaac is a blind husky. Isabella is a small terrier who helps him out. They two weren't trained to help each other. They were just found one day walking the streets of San Bernardino, California together and this is children's book, a cartoon, a Disney movie, something. The animal rescue group Stand (ph) is now trying to find the pair a good home.
BLACKWELL: A little late for Li Lo, Christine. A home somewhere over the rainbow. And the Tiger is not on the prowl, for now. It's all part of "The Week That Was."
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Tiger Woods and skier Lindsey Vonn are officially an item.
JIMMY KIMMEL, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": It's nice to see Tiger with a woman whose not holding a Waffle House menu or a subpoena for the change.
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: That's why I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
CRAIG FERGUSON, "THE LATE LATE SHOW WITH CRAIG FERGUSON": Now she faces her greatest challenge yet, getting her husband to support a straight marriage.
KIMMEL: Lindsey Lohan showed up nearly an hour late for the case. You know what she really needs to steal is a watch.
BLACKWELL (voice-over): Lilo, a little late. Hillary on human rights. And the motorcade that can't get motoring. Um. Uh-oh. This is not good.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): It's driver filled up using regular gas instead of diesel.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, this is kind of embarrassing.
BLACKWELL: Secret Service later denied that claim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nine times out of 10, somebody else did it.
CHRISTINE BRENNAN: Tiger is an incredibly private athlete.
BLACKWELL: I wouldn't go that far.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's Facebook official, Tiger Woods and Lindsey Vonn are dating.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They made it Facebook official, if you want to call it that.
KIMMEL: And the best way to keep your relationship private is to post about it on Facebook.
BLACKWELL: The two have known each other for some time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just today he took her home to meet his other girlfriends.
CLINTON: I suppose marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
BLACKWELL: Whoa, what?
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN: Hillary Clinton has come out in support of same- sex marriage.
BLACKWELL: Wait. Why now?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fueling speculation that she will run for president.
BLACKWELL: Ah.
DAVID LETTERMAN, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW HOST: For every gay couple in the country that gets married, she'll give them free pants suits.
BLACKWELL: Every gay couple, however, will not get one of these.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is brand new, gay pride rainbow house --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Across the street from the controversial Westboro Baptist Church.
BLACKWELL: Who?
JEANNIE MOOS, CNN, (voice-over): You know, the group that's always calling gays the "f" word.
BLACKWELL: Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there anything worse than fighting neighbors?
BLACKWELL: That's putting it mildly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Kate, Jake Davis in (INAUDIBLE) --
BLACKWELL: Did you see this video of the teen in L.A. asking supermodel Kate Upton to prom? Well, not only did he get a Twitter response from her?
MOOS: How could I turn down that video. I'll check my schedule.
BLACKWELL: "The Today Show" also put the nervous teenager on the phone with her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Kate.
BLACKWELL: If she says yes, he promises to keep her out all night. Well, you know, sort of.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She'll love it. (INAUDIBLE) my curfew.
BLACKWELL: Lindsay Lohan was back in court this week.
KIMMEL: She does this on the third weekend of every month.
BLACKWELL: And she was almost an hour late.
JAY LENO, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": Who in their right mind would schedule a Lindsay Lohan court appearance for the morning after St. Patrick's Day? Come on.
BLACKWELL: But she got there and she copped a plea to charges of reckless driving and lying to police.
KIMMEL: And she'll be forced to watch the TV movie "Liz and Dick (ph)" in its entirety.
BLACKWELL: And that's a look at "The Week That Was."
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BLACKWELL: A scarlet letter no more, North Carolina gives in to critics on immigration. So what major change did they make? We'll tell you.
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ROMANS: Bottom of the hour now welcome back everyone. Good morning, I'm Christine Romans.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. Thanks for starting your morning with us.
Here are five stories we are watching this morning.
ROMANS: Here are some of the stories to keep your eye on. President Obama leaving Jordan this hour to head back home. He just boarded the Air Force One moments ago. Mr. Obama also made stops in Israel and the West Bank during his Mideast visit.
And while the White House kept expectations for this trip low, Mr. Obama is coming home with some diplomatic coups. He brokered an apology from Israel to Turkey for a deadly 2010 commando raid.
Mr. Obama will be coming home to a just passed senate budget proposal. That's right, the Senate passed a budget it squeaked through the Democratic-controlled Senate by a razor thin vote of 50-49. That happened at 5:00 in the morning here all but four Democrats voted in favor of the plan which would increase taxes by $1 trillion over the next decade. All the Republican senators opposed it.
North Carolina is announcing a new look for its license issued to some undocumented immigrants. The licenses will look the one you're seeing right here very similar to traditional licenses, but will carry the words "legal presence, no lawful status." North Carolina drew fire over its original licenses which had a pink stripe across the card. Some critics compared it to a scarlet letter.
Now in New York where friends and families are honoring the 50th anniversary of the Vietnam War by reading aloud the names of New Yorkers who have died serving their country and in the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. The event starts at noon at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Plaza in Manhattan.
BLACKWELL: Investigators say they are trying to see if the dead ex-con possibly linked to the murder of Colorado's prison chief had any involvement in the murder of a Texas prosecutor in January. Evan Ebel was a former member of a white supremacist prison gang. He died after a shootout and car chase with Texas with police. That was Thursday.
And police are focusing on Ebel's car which fits the description of the vehicle seen the night Tom Clements, Colorado's Executive Director of Corrections was shot and killed at his front door.
CNN's Jim Spellman is live in Colorado Springs. And Jim, investigators say Ebel is a suspect in the Colorado case. But what makes investigators think that he may have had something to do with the murder of a prosecutor in Texas?
JIM SPELLMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it has a similar MO if you will in that it's a public official gunned down for no, no other -- no robbery, no other thing going on at the time and the connection to white power, white supremacist prison gang.
Ebel was a known to be a member of a gang called the 211 gang here in Colorado, white supremacist prison gang. Prosecutor's office in Texas was dealing with some cases involving the Aryan Brotherhood, that's another nationwide white supremacist prison gang. The prosecutor's name was Mark Hasse, it was January 31st, just three days after Evan Ebel was released from jail here in Colorado that he was gunned down in the parking lot of the courthouse.
Also when this whole car crash incident and shootout with the police happened in Texas that was about 100 miles away from Kaufman County where the shooting took place.
So between the geography, the public official being gunned down and the white supremacist prison gang angle they want to be sure to explore this not only the police that are local but the FBI involved and seeing if there is any similarity, any connection between Evan Ebel and that case in Kaufman County.
ROMANS: Any new developments in the investigation of the prison official Tom Clements?
SPELLMAN: Well right now you know El Paso County, Colorado, Colorado Springs area the sheriff's deputies here are working to formally relate evidence from the Tom Clements scene to that car in Texas and feel pretty strongly that Evan Ebel is their man in Tom Clements case.
But it doesn't stop there. They're working with the Department of Corrections to see if there's some connection to people in jail, this 211 prison gang that we know that Evan Ebel was a part of. Was there somehow a hit put out, was there a conspiracy of some sort for this man to get out of jail and immediately allegedly at this point gun down this prison official. What's going on there with these prison gangs?
Prisons here in Colorado on lockdown all weekend because of one, all the attention to this prison gang, but also so that they can investigate and do the work inside the prison that they need to do to see if there is a connection to these shootings on the outside.
BLACKWELL: Speaking of connections, Jim, there's one that's really bizarre, is to the governor -- Governor Hickenlooper of Colorado. Explain this.
SPELLMAN: Yes it's very unusual. The day after -- the morning after Tom Clements died, Governor Hickenlooper made a very emotional speech, he talked about when he was hiring Tom Clements two years ago he told him about a friend of his who had a son in the prison system who had been in solitary confinement. And he talked about the reaction that he got from Tom Clements when he brought that up, that he was a reformer, that he was somebody that wanted to alter the system.
It turns out that man he was talking about was the father of Evan Ebel. He's known him for over 30 years, this man is a prominent oil and gas attorney here in the Denver area and you know sort of previous life Governor Hickenlooper also worked in that industry and they work in the similar field that a similar -- at the same firm.
So they've known each other for ages as this troubled young man, Evan Ebel, you know he knew about the governor knew this family very closely the whole time. It turns out that's who he was talking about. Really unusual that this will come back around be related to a close friend of the Governor.
ROMANS: All right Jim Spellman thanks. What a sad and mysterious story from the beginning.
BLACKWELL: And still growing.
ROMANS: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Thanks, Jim.
Farms and AR-15s, they come into a sentence and you typically don't hear those two together. Up next why the hunt for wild hogs in Georgia is also a reason why some say they need the right to these so-called assault rifles.
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BLACKWELL: In the battle over guns in America, assault rifles as they're called like the AR-15, well they're under fire. The military- style guns that was used in the Newtown massacre at Sandy Hook and critics say no one needs that kind of power for work or play. But that's not totally true. In southwest Georgia I found a company that needs them to solve an expensive problem and a warning, there is a possibility you might find some of this video disturbing.
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BLACKWELL (voice over): For Jim Pritchard, its planting season. The past few days have been long and hard, sowing corn seed.
(on camera): How many acres here?
JIM PRITCHARD, FARM: It's approximately 80 acres here.
BLACKWELL: He's done for the day. Soon the sun will set but by morning all his hard work could be ruined and his seeds stolen under the cover of darkness.
PRITCHARD: In one year -- in two nights I lost 18 acres.
BLACKWELL: Eighteen acres in two nights.
PRITCHARD: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And that's worth how much to you?
PRITCHARD: It wound up costing me in lost yield about $9,000.
BLACKWELL (voice over): But thieves are not the problem.
(on camera): What has that problem been?
PRITCHARD: Well the pigs root up the corn seed after you plant it. BLACKWELL: Wild pig, hogs annihilate corn, peanuts, beans, virtually any crop on Pritchard's 700 acres.
(on camera): These wild hogs come to this area so often they have worn a path through this field and look at this, this is where they scrape the mud off on the pine trees, you see it on the bark there. Look at this one. It's happened so often that about two and a half feet of the bark has been scraped off. Pritchard is frustrated he's tried everything to nurture his crops.
PRITCHARD: I need a good man with a good gun.
HAL SHOUSE, HOGSWAT: I'm a good man and this is a great gun.
BLACKWELL: He's Hal Shouse and that's one of his six AR-15s, it is the gun of choice for hog hunters because it's light, easy to carry and has little recoil. Hal works for 16 farmers covering nearly 100,000 acres.
SHOUSE: We don't discriminate, we kill them all, big boar, mama with a bunch of little footballs, we -- they all catch a bullet.
BLACKWELL: His company is HogSWAT and that's no exaggeration. Shouse uses top of the line tactical gear, night vision and thermal imaging to find and kill hogs.
SHOUSE: I -- I do this as a free service to my farmers and in exchange they allow me to bring paying customers.
BLACKWELL: $500 per customer to train these cross-hairs, everyone from experienced big game hunters to pre-teen novices. Shouse invited us along on a hunt so we loaded up the Hambulance and hit the rough and winding dirt roads of South Georgia. Farm after farm it seemed the hog's timing was better than ours so we pulled into a farm and waited.
SHOUSE: We're right in the middle of a 700-acre field. We've got 1,200 yards -- 1,300 yards in any direction that's tree line that's open. We'll see them come out of the tree line I'll have time to gear up and go after them.
BLACKWELL: While we waited we talked about that gear at the center of a national battle.
(on camera): When you say AR-15 and 30-round mag that's a political hot button.
SHOUSE: Sure it is because people have decided to make it one. You know tragedies happen but the weapon didn't create these tragedies. Sick individuals use this weapon, this -- this tool and they did something destructive with it, something ugly and there's just nothing else you can say about it.
BLACKWELL (voice-over): Then one more infrared scan of the field and there he was a boar roughly 400 yards away. We all rush out and stealthily approach. Shouse steadies his AR-15.
SHOUSE: This is a pretty average size. He's probably 130, 140.
BLACKWELL: For HogSWAT and the farmers of South Georgia success.
(on camera): The question has been repeatedly who needs this weapon outside of the military or someone who wants to kill someone else?
SHOUSE: Well I mean need is a -- that's a big word. You know you don't -- you don't need a lot of things that you choose to use because they make your job easier. I could do this with a single shot weapon. I wouldn't be near as effective. I could do it but I don't want to. I -- I'm a legal, responsible gun owner. I -- I evaluated all of the different weapons out there and I decided that this weapon is what makes sense for me and my company.
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BLACKWELL: And I also asked Hal Shouse about that 30-round mag, I said can you do this with a ten-round mag and he said yes I could do it but again he says he wouldn't be as effective and here's why. In this hunt you're looking at right over my shoulder there's just one boar. But he says if on this night there had been a sow with 12 babies and that's possible, because they have up to 12 in a litter a few times a year he wants to be able to have that firepower to fire off as many shots in repetition without having to reload.
So thanks to Hal Shouse for that.
Let's move on now to the Jodi Arias trial, a lot of people are talking about this and now we've got a new look at Arias the night she was told she was being indicted. She's doing a hand stand, a headstand here. Not in the gym, it's in the interrogation room. And that's not all she did.
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ROMANS: The father of a six-year-old murdered in the Sandy Hook shooting says he met the killer's dad. We're talking about Robbie Parker. He is the father of little Emily Parker. She was one of 20 children gunned down in Connecticut in December.
Last night Parker spoke to CNN's Piers Morgan about meeting Adam Lanza's father.
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PIERS MORGAN, HOST, CNN'S "PIERS MORGAN LIVE": When you walked into the room and there is the father of this young man who took your daughter's life, what goes through your mind?
ROBBIE PARKER, FATHER OF EMILY PARKER: One of the main reasons that I wanted to speak to him was I wanted to speak to him as a father -- one father to another father -- and I understand that despite the circumstances that he lost his son and that he needed to grieve that as well just as much as I needed my daughter. And so I wanted to express those condolences to him and I felt like we were able to do that for each other. (END VIDEO CLIP)
ROMANS: Wow. Today in Newtown, Connecticut more than 60,000 are expected to gather for the Sandy Hook run for the families. Money raised from that run will benefit those families -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: New video -- surveillance video has been released of Jodi Arias from 2008. Now, this is during the interrogation interview -- rather. Cameras were recording Arias' movements the moment she found out she was being charged with the murder of her boyfriend Travis Alexander.
I want you to listen to this reaction.
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ESTEBAN FLORES, POLICE DETECTIVE: The grand jury indicted you.
JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: So it's all public now?
FLORES: It's public record.
ARIAS: Does everyone know?
FLORES: If somebody goes on and checks public record they can check it. They would come up with any --
ARIAS: But is it on the news tonight?
FLORES: We don't record anything to the news.
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BLACKWELL: So earlier I asked HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell what she thought about Arias' peculiar behavior.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: It's so telling, Victor, this woman is a malignant narcissist. It's all about Jodi all the time and if you can't get positive attention, she'll go for negative attention. Put another way, she didn't achieve fame in her life which she would like to have achieved so she's going for infamy.
BLACKWELL: There's one point in the tapes where Jodi asks to see the crime scene photos and she knows she killed Travis Alexander. What do you make of that? What's the rationale for that?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well there's two possibilities and maybe they're both right. One of course Travis's friends say she's a stalker so maybe this is part of her obsession, even in death she still is obsessed with Travis Alexander and wants to study and get close to anything that has anything to do with Travis, to look at his body again.
The other is that she's on the hot seat being grilled by detectives and she wants to come up with a story. This is right around the time that she comes up with that story that oh, two masked intruders burst into the house and killed Travis, these ninjas, and I managed to escape. So was she looking at those crime scene photos and concocting that story in her head?
BLACKWELL: Do we think that the prosecutor will introduce this video into his rebuttal?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they've had these interrogation tapes for years and if they felt they were that significant, of course, they could have introduced them at the beginning of the case but this is a three- dimensional chess game. And it could be, let's say if the next witness for the defense, this expert for battered women, this domestic violence expert hits some home runs maybe they decide hey we're going to counteract try to get this in and show her behaving in an erratic manner.
Of course, she stands on her head, she sings, she does a back bend, a very erotic yoga back bend. Maybe they will try to introduce that as evidence that no, she's not really a battered woman. She was trivializing this entire tragedy right up until the moment that they put the cuffs on her. So we don't know what's going to happen yet. We're in the end game.
BLACKWELL: I want to play part of the video and I want to get your reaction to it. It's where Jodi admits she was not comfortable with Travis dating other women and that they'd actually fought about it. Listen.
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ARIAS: He told me, he's like you know, Travis is dating, and I said OK, and I assumed he was going on dates. He's like no he's really trying to date and I said, OK. He's desperate to get married. That night, you know, I confronted him about it, we had a really big fight. There was all -- things were thrown in the mix together.
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BLACKWELL: Now there are lots of lies from Jodi Arias. But hasn't she said on the stand the exact opposite of this. That she did not have a problem with it. Could this be the motive for the murder?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, absolutely. There have been so many phrases injected in this case: dissociative amnesia, PTSD. The prosecutor says this is an old-fashioned case of if I can't have you, nobody else can; that this was a woman who was jealous because she's sleeping with this man. She's having raunchy sex with this guy but he wants to marry someone else.
Indeed she's not good enough in his mind to take on a vacation to Cancun. He's taking another woman to Cancun. She claimed on the stand oh I wasn't upset about that but you see that on the interrogation tape she contradicts herself and says I was upset about Travis Alexander dating other women.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, I hate to quote Shakespeare but it applies.
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BLACKWELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell is covering this trial like no one else. So stay up to speed on the trial. You can catch her program on our sister network, HLN weeknights at 7:00 Eastern -- Christine.
ROMANS: All right. Victor, when you're traveling to cities around the world the best way to get a real taste of the place is through the local food. CNN iReport has teamed up with "Travel & Leisure" magazine to create a global list of "100 Places to Eat Like a Local".
Here's CNN's Sumnima Udas.
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SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, I'm Sumnima Udas in New Delhi. And when I want to eat like a local I come to Paranthe Wali Gali. It's one of the most crowded areas in the city so you have to come in one of these.
Delhi is all about street food and Paranthe Wali Gali, which literally means the narrow street that sells Paranthes which are these round flatbreads stuffed with all kinds of ingredients is a local favorite. And what I love about this place is just the madness of it all. You really feel like you're in the middle of all of this action and it doesn't get more authentic than this.
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UDAS: So there are 45 different types of Paranthes here and I'm going to order the one of with the Nuchi (ph) which is chili, one of the most popular dishes here.
Thank you. Here is my food and for less than $1 you can get an entire meal. So he's Manish Sharma, he's the owner of this place. So tell me, what makes this place so special?
MANISH SHARMA, RESTAURANT OWNER: This (inaudible) was started by my forefathers in 1872. And there were 16 shops here but we have still the four shops here.
UDAS: And the cooking style is the same for the past 100 years.
SHARMA: Yes, this is the same process to making the paranthe in 1872.
UDAS: How many people come here every day?
SHARMA: About literally 1,000 or 1,500 people come here and enjoy the paranthes.
UDAS: So I'm completely full but the whole point is not to stuff yourself with just paranthes because this whole street is full of all kinds of delicacies. For instance, this place they sell some of the best luci (ph) in town, which is essentially yogurt with water.
So those places in the guide book, that's OK for tourists. But come to Paranthe Wali Gali if you want to eat like a local.
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